That's not what's going to happen though lol. The chips will be made in the US, and everyone will pay 20-50% more. Eu accounts for so little of Nvidia's revenue it's lumped in with "other countries" in graphs, flipped in 2020. I moved to Thailand, so in a similar boat. But the US will always be cheaper because it's the largest market.
@@tyoung319 You are delusional if you think the cutting edge chips will be made in the US. it’s Taiwan’s survival strategy that TSMC doesn’t give to anyone their best and they are always one step ahead so they get protected by the US against China.
Hopefully this crashes the PC gaming market and forces everyone to restructure. I'm tired bro. Even without the tariffs the pain of building a high end PC has been disastrous ever since Covid hit.
Yea, same… it’s ridiculous. I’ve saved to money for something like a 5090… but the product basically won’t even exist. There’s going to be what? Like 500 of them total in the world?
@@ProtectusCZ I was gonna say that. And now AI is eating the pc market. I coasted a looooooong time on a 4790k and a 1080 Ti, some of the best of what you could get before all the mining, covid, inflation, and now AI. I did eventually upgrade in winter 2022/2023, which wasn't what you'd call "good" pricing, but it was kind of an "ok-ish" lull in the chaos.
Did you buy the dip? 9% up now. Deepseek dropping the stock makes zero sense, after people realize that new AI models that are open source and can run locally only increase the demand for AI hardware the stock will be right back up lmao
@@daniil3815 false. Me and several friends attempted for 4 months until finally settling on 4080s (over MSRP) and 7900XTXs. Even 60 days ago the 4090 on Newegg was ranging from $2299 to $2899+.
@@Liatin1 yeah... we voted for a better country, and it's already looking better day by day with ICE deportations and Trump's administration. I could live with higher prices on gpus at the expense of better future
Shh! people don't understand the difference between a consumption tax, income tax, or any other type of tax... Or how nearly all countries have tariffs on Western goods/services.
Large corporations, especially when interconnected with goverment. Such as is the case with the majority of silicon valley and M.I.C companies such as boeing actually seem to be able to resist market pressures. The law of supply and demand is unfortunately too reductive in such industries, due to features that make a quasi-monopoly (large amount of capital investment in this case, patents, networks, etc) Grace Blakeley actually as pretty good book on this, which discusses what I said in the first chapter and second chapter in detail.
Tariffs are hidden sales tax. The burden is always passed to the consumer by the importer who actually pays the tariff duty. Contraband will jump for sure.
The same exact thing can be said for higher taxes in general that leftist push for on a daily basis! Not to mention the massive inflation created by pudding pants Biden!
@@DingleBerryschnapps They aren't being used as leverage. Taiwan is an ally of the US, there's no strategical benefit to it. If this tariff were coming from some other president that wasn't half awake half asleep, and wasn't an obese piece of shit I'd take it seriously, but Trump is a joke.
Just bough RX 7900 XTX for 888€ from sale and could not be happier. Normally these cards are priced well over 1000€ here in Finland. RTX 5080 start at 1229€ here going all the way to 1600€
for 1229 i would had go for the 5080. for my opinion amd card are cripple they lack decent upscaling and no good RT. upscaling and RT comes more mandatory these days, buying amd means sooner need to upgrade. just my thoughts.
only jay has 2 ...one from ces plus nvidia ship another one to show off....i bet youtubers complains about it for why only jay get one from ces event when everyone unaware what he doing in closed door with nvidia rep with him. Talking about corruption i seeing with jay2cents doing backroom deals with nvidia. That man will never learned since so many scandals with his partners of name brand he sponsors on his channel, he must getting over millions of dollars in checks, while pretending he was shock in hearing of it is something other youtubers need to investigate on ...Steve right ? investigation jay2cents...specially linus doing NVIDIA favors ...not sure what i believe now. both are wealthy millionaires on their channels since
@@Frontigenics it's to keep the halo effect going. Showing the 5090 cranking out huge performance makes consumers think the other 50 series cards are better than anything else too. It's stupid, but it is what it is.
Boycott anything above $999 for a 5080. If any of you buy it at above $999, you're contributing to a problem waiting to explode to become the new normalcy. Nvidia and AIB partners want the the xx80 series to be the new $1299-1499 price range. Don't feed into that.
The point of the video is that tariffs possibly increase prices. As much as double with the current threats from the president. So ur 999 msrp will be 1250, 1500, or even as high as 2k for a product originally set for 999. Hopefully, nothing happens, but we shall see.
you wrongly understand the situation, AIB partners would be fine to sell 5080 for $600 if nvidia sell them chips for lower price which accounts for margin. At this point the only thing would help is a massive AIB boycott of ngreedia
My business strategy: Hold onto chips and manufactured cards in stock, tell customers to expect shortage or that drivers need polishing, wait a couple months for tariffs then flood the market with preexisting GPU's but include 50% tariff costs...profit.
the tariff will go to the US government not to Nvidia, they werent gonna have ANY problem moving their cards anyway and how does that increase their profit margin UNLESS there was NO demand for them at their current pricing point? that said they already were baked in to have a HUGE profit margin due to not having a 3rd player in the space, pull for intel to release something midrange cheap and shake it up, its the only thing that CAN at this point...They wouldnt wait on tariffs that just doesnt make sense to the selling company unless they want to create as Nvidia does false market supply side issues....but tariffs will only hamper the selling of their GPU not boost it....
i like that amd is only willing to talk about their upcoming product through riddles and connect the dots, feels like im a kid again guessing my christmas present
2:22 the tarrifs may not directly affect the the cards that are already in the us but the threat of them will. Whether that's supply and demand or scalpers being more aggressive now that the supply is limited and the tarriffs give them headroom for gouging.
Here's hoping it lasts at least another 3-4 years before it's relegated to mid-tier status. Doesn't seem too far-fetched considering how much it leapfrogged the 3090Ti.
Some are economically illiterate and genuinely don't realize that tariffs are always paid by the consumer and don't help the economy at all. In fact, the US economy is already showing indicators that it's heading for the biggest crash since the Great Depression.
I would love to laugh at Americans over this tariff stuff but the unfortunate reality is those tariffs will affects worldwide pricing as well since the US is a behemoth of a market
@@vampiszon6620, in this case, I would put the blame for US prices' effects on the EU directly on Nvidia and AMD's shoulders, but I otherwise agree with what you are saying. Any price change that Nvidia sees as successful (for their bottom line) in one place, regardless of the "why" of that cost increase, will end up being passed on to wherever else they sell it.
It will crash pc gaming and its needed to force them to restructure and actually deliver substancial hardware development cost friendly mid term. A correction is needed.
@@wingflex5367 Most people that have done business with him over the years, also say that. Only the media and corrupt politicians tell you the opposite, and that's who you follow. 😂 🤡
Why is shortage of graphics cards even a thing? Why are they never able to produce enough before a launch? It's strange how we never see this with other types of electronics such as Tv's, smart phones and what have you.
@@askalds Because Nvidia shifted production of its chips for data center/AI. They make way more money there than pc gamers. Well at least they used to. Perhaps we will see them ramp up their home PC GPU market.
It’s a marketing strategy. It’s the old FOMO selling method. Apple does this every 6 months with their products and works very well on coNsuMErs that only live to consume.
It's artificial scarcity. Diamonds aren't rare either, the supply is just withheld so the price goes up and a higher profit is made. It also helps that gaming GPUs use the same chips that go into professional cards that nobody bats an eye at paying $500 to $10000 for.
You won't see FSR4 won't in Cyberpunk, CDPR doesn't want to add FSR 3.1 (even though it had been out for some time) but added FSR 3 instead and made it worse than FSR 2.1
@praisetheoak Exactly, there's an incentive to not do as it's an Nvidia sponsored game and money has been passed around. The day we get FSR 3.1 is the day people and tech publications (such as digital foundry) make a huge fuss about it, such as Starfield not having DLSS. We still don't even have FSR in Dying Light 2, ain't nobody cares though.
Bro fsr is still crap..it doesnt matter if it's 3.1.. stop hating on cdpr..the game runs better on amd cards when not using ray tracing..u guys are unbelievable
@@BT_01 Nah, first of all FSR 3.1 isn't that bad. Look at games like Space Marines 2 or Ghost of Tsushima, great implementations. Secondly FSR 3.1 allows for a .dll override for FSR 4, which lets users use FSR 4 without game devs putting it in natively. Lastly, hating on CDPR? Lol, lmao even. The game launched in such a sad state it was pulled from stores and had legality issues over refunds as the game was half baked. The damning part here with FSR is that unpaid people making FSR 3.1 mods do a better job than CDPR with official tools and access to the engine. Edit: also the game running better via raster is more a testament to how good AMD cards are in general, watch Daniel Owens low end-mid range Nvidia cards needs DLSS to reach AMDs native performance. The only thing NVIDIA cards have going for it is RT and games that use the RTX branch of UE. Even then the 7900 XTX is about as good as a 3080/Ti in RT (TPU) unless it's PT. Discounting TAAU of course, as AMD is getting an ML solution as well.
@Accuaro lol..fsr is nowhere near dlss n i have space marine 2. fsr quality loses to older dlss 3 ultra perf..i didn't even try the dlss transformer .wud be even better.. amd cards are just not good enuf..power hungry , unusable upscaling, no rtx hdr, higher latency with frame gen, poor rt performance..it jus doesnt make sense to buy amd cards unless nvidia cards r heavily overpriced in ur region. I would probably use fsr in marvel rivals coz i dont care about visuals in a competitive game, but compared to dlss Transformer, it's dog$hit.
@@nicane-9966 It's not what? Feel free to check Techpowerup's relative performance chart or various benchmarks here on yt. Or take a few seconds to think how the hell Microsoft would be able to sell a $500 console with comparable GPU performance to a $700 GPU released 1 year prior. Modern architectures often perform better in newer titles but it's still competitive with 3060/4060/3060Ti/4060Ti. If that class of card cannot run modern titles at 1080p native 60fps there are major problems.
I just got a 4070ti super on amazon on blk friday sale, so cheaper than msrp. The return deadline is the end of this month because of the amazon holdiay policy....looks like I'm keeping it lmao. Shame, really wanted to get the 5070ti at or close to it's msrp but this card I just got has been amazing anyways. Just looked up 4070 ti super online and the prices are going crazy or it's out of stock atm.
I’m regretting being a college student and not being able to buy any new graphics cards since high school. I planned my build senior year to last until I finished college, well I finish next year and…
i wanted to buy a 5090 but seeing the price and availability, I thought i get a 4090 instead.... but they are out of stock everywhere here now, and they do not make them anymore :/
Tariffs don't affect companies. It comes out of our wallet. Don't let trump or his admin fool you. Yes tariffs are supposed to encourage them, but in the end all it does is get chunked out by our wallet or dumbed down features
You are clearly missing the point of these tariffs. The US needs to start manufacturing it's own products again if we really want our economy to improve. Buying cheap products off the backs of slave laborers was never ethical.
Really?? Trump implemented 20% Tariffs back in 2017 to Mexico, Canada, China and the European Union, name one single product after that that went up in price, and you can't say 2020 prices cause that's Covid Inflation and BidenFlation, I'll wait 🤡🤡
@@hanannyg whatever you say "true gamer" when the government takes takes away something they love, that's when you really begin to bitch about it, when cartel members are killing citizens of the country, you could care less. Grow up, ngl
LOL, from a _Bulgarian_ outlet with bad translation of costs let alone the real pricing of the GPU's. Oh yeah, we get our tech news from Bulgaria ALL the time apparently. You make it sound perfectly possible when its far from it and plus it makes absolutely no sense unless we were back in 2022/2023 again.
@@YTisProMentalillness The prices AMD initially gave retailers was crazy, we know this from German retailers, now Bulgarian too. Of course AMD wants to try and control the damage, but it was already done as usual AMD lags behind in everything.
4070tisuper is cheaper same rt perf and has better image quality even without tn model 900$ for last gen perf is crazy onother gen onother nvidai card i guess
My son needed an upgrade but could not afford anything decent so I grabbed a 7900 xtx and passed my 6800 xt to him. With living these well outlast this nonsense of tarriffs. I figured even at 800 a 7900 xtx was not as bad a deal as any of the new cards due to availability.
@@LeoPlaysGames3 Do you have any idea the lead time on the machines that make chips, how long it would take your factories to be in a position to build them and the fact that Biden put all of the funding down for this in the CHIP act he just did things in a thought through manner unlike Trump who shouts loudly and does nothing, well unless your one of his millionaire backers then your fine
why? Because prices of something you love are probably going to increase, even though it's not yet confirmed? Yet you are ignoring all the wins his administration already had such as ICE deportations, removing DEI hires and signing an executive order to prohibit hiring base on gender and sex. You know there are also other things besides your hobby, right?
@@phantom0590 you think taiwan imports of chips are only for hobbies? They affect almost every industry. Trump should have simply doubled down on the CHIPS act and tried to help Intel create meaningful competition to TSMC. He could even claim credit for that biden act.
If you believe AMD/Intel/Nvidia would not charge the tariff markup for any cards that got into the country ahead of the tariffs, then you are far too naive. I would suggest that the primary reason for AMD postponing their launch, and for the paper launch of Intel and Nvidia's new GPUs is that they are getting as much stock into the country now so that they can charge the tariff price for them to double their profits.
Nvidia commented: 5090 and 5080 are likely to be out of stock, MSRP5080 will not appear, the price of 5080aic is more than $1300, and the situation of 5070ti in February will be the same, you have to pay extra to buy it!
@@redclaw72666 I haven't watched many of his videos, but he's often sceptic on what AMD says and tends to look things on his own, including doing benchmarks. Regardless never take anything anyone says at face value (even me saying this), and just look up the most reputable sources and double check the data/press releases/sources as mucha s you can.
2:32 yeah no, as soon as the tarifs are in place, prices will go up in preparation. Why sell for cheap when noone can import new ones to compete with you
the thing is the mere possibility of tariffs causes prices to rise in anticipation. Businesses would rather do multiple small increases in price before the tariffs hit instead of doing it all in one chunk. This leads to prices going up before any tariffs are even confirmed to go in place.
In Brazil when we buy anything from another country above 50 bucks, we will get 100% tax.. So.. dollar is already 6x our money + 100% tax.. yeah, we buy what you guys call "low end" for the price of what should've been mid-range/high end.. IT SUCKS!
Strictly based on a Google search, I'm seeing that there's a margin of about 70% on gpu chips, and the cost of a GPU is ~40% the chip. Assuming the accuracy of this information and that consumers will ultimately foot the bill for tariffs, it implies that $800 of a $2000 card is the chip. Given a 70% markup baked into the $800 chip, this means their actual cost is ~$470. If a tariff of 100% goes into place *that affects the chip only*, then the overall cost of a $2000 card should increase to $2470 for the end consumer, a cost increase of 23.5%. Alot of assumptions here, but just spitballing.
That may be true, but then you still need to account for the other downstream effects of how consumers perceive the tariffs, and how that impacts their purchasing behavior (e.g., scalping).
Yes, I agree mostly but also let's not forget that nVidia needs to talk to investors and they'll probably be mad that they are not bringing as much percent income so it really would be more to satisfy percentage income margins
The price yo have there for the chip is way too high. There is no way that the chip only costs that much. The 4090 chip was around 100-120$ to produce IIRC. This chip is a bit larger on the same node, the node is more mature so should have somewhat better yeilds. I would guess 120-150$ The big difference is that RAM. That is where a lot of the BOM is coming from
@@ScoobyJoobyJew The problem is that it’s not just the 5090 that will see a price increase. When chip costs rise, the costs of all GPU and CPU products will increase as well. In the U.S., only one company might benefit from this-provided that it returns to using its own chips-and that company is the already failed Intel.
@@bogodoyandex9654no pc, no servers, no console, no phones. Thats were the monopols are the biggest. And they dont care if you pay more, you buy it anyway
That "MSRP feels like charity" statement reminds me of old EVGA and why they left this segment of the market. No doubt they're a happier company now with less headaches.
Newegg started scalping today right in front of me ... I was watching for the B580 for my son at $249 to $269 depending on the brand and the Sparkle B580 came in stock for $269 so I ordered one and I checked back later like 2 hr and it was sold out ...well 3 hr after that it is back in stock shipped and sold by Newegg for $299 $30 more than it was 3 hrs before and yes if I click on my card in my order it now comes up as $299 and not the $269 I just got threw paying for it and my receipt shows I payed for it ...wow
No this one is different, this is daylight robbery changing the price of a product you already bought to a different price point 2 hours later.@@PyroBlonde7777
@@YoungGirlz8463 They can't... they can't even make their own chips. I wonder what if Taiwan says get everything and just abandons their factories... then the whole world is going to "bend the knee" and cry for some chips from Taiwan... any chips at all. By the way Taiwan actually has much more leverage... than the US... yes the US can bomb them... but that would be even worse.... it seems the US is getting ready to kill "the golden goose" of the world.
Do they still think that the customer won’t pay the tariffs? 😂 Some US Americans are very special. I wonder how they build their AI farms without chips.
@@mathiasv2578 They're butt hurt and stupid. They're all yapping about prices going up like that isn't the point. It's time the US brings manufacturing back. They'd rather our GDP take a nose dive so they can abuse slave wages in Communist countries like China.
@frankytanky5076 funny thing is why do you need more powerful graphics if most AAA games are bad and unoptimised? You have an infinite amount of better older games to choose from, why always the race to buy and have the latest gpu and games?
4:17 that's one reason for which EVGA left the GPU market. Can't wait for other AIBs to do the same and perhaps start doing AMD cards, that'd help a lot against nvidia's monopoly and stupid high prices.
If they price the 9070XT at $499, most people will still opt for a 5070. Pricing slightly below Nvidia has already been proven to not work. They will need to undercut all competition by a huge amount. In fact they need to sell at cost or even at a loss if they truly want to gain market share.
@@fordgtguy Literally. Plus the blue states like the ones i live in have suddenly instated new regulations on how you can raise chickens that'll make producing them exorbitantly expensive.
@@raydare2002 For built industry, having to build entire industries does not help with pricing or job availability. We also have low unemployment so the work force doesnt even have enough workers for these new industries, which means wed need more immigration, but were trying to limit immigration so. yeah.
@rastan49 Was going to buy a 4090 here some local pc builders have them in systems brand new for reasonable money but I went a little crazy should last me another 10 yrs fingers xd
@@zachb1706 How many options do you need, they add very little value to the product. Would you pay 20% more to a "partner" to put your coke in a different shaped can? I feel like there's a chip mafia and I'm paying all the gangsters down the chain their taste to get my gpu drug.
@@rotm4447 the base Nvidia card is impressive, like how it can fit in small cases. But that came at the compromise of slightly worse thermals and more fan noise than other cards. If you live in a hot climate, want a quieter card, or don’t like the look of the Founder edition partner cards are for you
2nm in the US won't start til 2028 so at least for the near future semi conductors will be imported. Apple could also end up being greedy since they already use most chips from TSMC
They cannot do the 2nm process and dont want to, they said they do ot after x time. Expecred is 2028 after they got the new process running thmeself first. So just wait 3 years. Easy
Doesn`t everyone already pay tax when buying something from the US stores ? Foreigners often COMPLAIN that there are HIDDEN costs and end up paying more than expected when buying something
US stores never list the sales tax, since it varies from state to state, so the listed price is never the one the consumer ends up paying. Since stores in the rest of the world list the price already including national taxes, the listed price IS the amount the consumer pays. Foreigners don't understand this, buy in the US and then get slapped with taxes they were not expecting.
Very few people will be buying $1000 GPUs. There is absolutely no excuse for trying to normalize such corporate greed and the outrageous pricing of GPUs now. The 50 series, being completely blunt, are a disaster for ordinary PC users. Nvidia's recent loss of value of billions hasn't yet taught it anything. It looks like another lesson will be needed soon.
I can't find concrete information on this, will DLSS4 come to series 40 cards ? I know the mults generation won't, but is the improved upscaler something you need a series 50 for ?
US labour is not cheap. Do you honestly think it will be just 2000 dollars for a 5080? Chipmaking was outsourced because domestically it can't be price competitive.
Chip processes are full automated. There are only some people overwtach it and staff for testing. A modern fab is a full integrated process from the wafer to the chip. Zero people involved. (Beside people to controll it sure) So for a fab you only need some 100 people and these people are allready highr payed people everywere in the world so tha twont add that much. What is expensive is to produce the wafers, after some reaearch there is no wafer fab in the us for the top tier chips "currently" so they need to ship it in? I dont really know. Beside that we talk about 2028+ it dont really matter. The fabs are build and ready after trump "maybe"
@@Blackbirdone11 That's true, but to build the fabs and facility maintainance are still labour intensive tasks. Time will tell if it will result in cheaper chips, or it's going to cost more.
I don't really mind FSR4 not being that good at launch. Think about it: By the time I'd need FSR, it means my GPU is already getting too old. And if a game REQUIRES upscaling at 1440p to hit 60fps on a 9070, that game can fuck off, I'm not playing that shit
“charity” lol That wording alone makes me want to give them the finger. What are the profit margins then? And what were they before? Unless the board partners provide some numbers on that and back it up I’m inclined not to believe multimillion dollar companies who talk about “charity”. 0~200$ more than MSRP was always the standard for board partners depending on what bells and whistles you’d want.
@@atchmon902 You really need to explain yourself better there buddy guy. because you sound like one big pile of confusion. You sure you know what you are talking about???
@ we should of knew this was going to be an issue the moment Nvidia started releasing the FE card continuously, that they would eventually cut into their other card partners. but I also didn’t see GPU prices getting this high I didn’t think about it then.
It's high time to introduce a tax. The whole world pays taxes and receives cards at MSRP + 30/40/50%, and in the US it is sold at MSRP. 100% is of course too harsh, but 25-50% would be fair.
This might hurt at first - but strategically this is very important, forcing chip producers to build foundrries in the USA, freeing the whole world from China potentially occupying Taiwan and then having the most critical chip building infrastructure all in their hands
You do not need to hurt the american people to achieve this, which is what you're missing. In fact, through Bidens Chips and Science act, we already are building those factories, just in time for idiot trump to prob attempt to take credit for it.
China will build chips anyway, by basically forcing sanctions on Taiwan, the US undercuts itself and all their allies... it's crazy what US wants to do. Basically it's like they want to destroy "the golden goose" which is what Taiwan is. I think Taiwan fabs would not be successful on US soil, for the same reason Intel fabs are not successful. Also I wouldn't be surprised if people from TSMC start to abandon the company... because of what US does... you can't force the geniuses there to work for anyone by force, they can just "sit on their ass" and do nothing. US should have found the right motivation for people to do their work... force and fear are not the right motivation. There are deeper reasons why this whole thing would not work but one comment is not enough to explain everything... by the way I was predicting for sometime US might turn on it's allies, but I didn't expected it to happen that soon... it's just crazy.
Top notch processes cannot be build in the us, simple as that. For other stuff sure, but the process you need for chips for phones cards and stuff. Nope. There is no "we can do it" the stuff is a monopol from 2 companies. One from europe and one from taiwan. Ask you why everyone works with tsmc? Because they are the only onces that have access to the machine and process needed. AAA chips are only build from them.
@Blackbirdone11 its ASML, they build the litographic machines, stationed in the netherlands - one of the most modern ones of their machines has been set up for Intel in the US, they just need time to figure it out. Also: the know-how is the issue. This key infrastructure NEEDS to be decentralized. Obviously for the Taiwanese it is a matter of ecistence to be sitting on this crucial know-how and the machines - but it's nothing that cannot be transferred to another country - machines, know-how and the foundries. And it needs to be done asap, or we're at the mercy of China
@@dauntae24, possibly, if gamers (the ones that can) are dumb enough to pay. Remember, after scalpers and Crypto drove 3000 series prices so high, Jensen realized that gamers were willing to pay higher prices, and acted accordingly. Both Nvidia and AMD increased the prices of their next GPU offerings, sometimes to a ridiculous extent, even as Nvidia, in particular, offered either no, or a relatively small increase in perfomance, for anything under the 4090 SKUs.
No. Price would not change for imports into other countries. USA would have to pay more than they would have. Basically equals them out to the prices everyone else pays. Nvidia would not be smart to import them into the USA first before distributing to other countries. They ship from factories outside the USA to other countries. Just as they ship to the USA.
@ i went to the store to ask the managers, after joking around with them for a bit they told me they’ll have a few to sell in the floor but they will be limited, they told me to go back tomorrow afternoon and they’ll be able to tell me how many, and told me if I wanted to get in line to go around 6am or before on thursday to be one of the first ones, but we will see tomorrow. I live in LA, so big city maybe thats why
If tariffs were a viable method we would still use them hell the whole world would. They stopped doing it because it doesn't work. That's why have I come tax problem is these companies like Amazon don't pay taxes. This is more about him trying to get his rich Oligarchs to never have to pay taxes.
I am more curious what will Nvidia do now, after the stock drop. Jensen comes out "Hey guys, gaming GPUs were always our priority. AI? Whats AI? Never heard of that. 😂
I watched the source of the leaks and they say that AMD wanted to launch the cards in 23 January. They wanted to sell the 9070 XT for 1060$ (2000 leva) and the 9070 for 960$ (1800 leva) here in Bulgaria, which would be 850$ (9070 XT) and 770$ (9070) MSRP when you remove the +20% VAT. As of right now that is literally the same price of the cheapest 7900 XTXs you can get here (1060$). 🤣🤣🤣
This Tax is funny because, all it does is hurt consumers as even at 100%, all its going to do is get passed onto consumers. So i am not sure what Trump's angle here besides maybe getting more $ for him and big business while consumers end up paying for it.
I was monitoring the market for some time, and when those news popped up, I took my car and got a used RTX 4080 for 700 USD including local 23% tax. If this goes live, the prices of GPU-s will skyrocket, and we are talking all GPU-s including the used ones. Crypto apocalipse all over again.
Hi Dan Thanks for the information. It is my first time to build a pc and I do not know if I should choose 5080 or 9070 xt for my GPU. What do you suggest?
So what do you mean did they go with the Samsung chips? My theory always was that they was going to wait for that Nvidia contract to run out, or get close to letting it run out that way they could switch chip manufacturers before or during production. Nvidia has always been easily replaceable when it comes to ARM.
@@LoganE01 I dont think that was ever in the cards if they wanted backwards compatibility. I think they were just sitting on it so they could sell more original Switches. By Samsung they mean that the Nvidia chips are made by Samsung foundries instead of TSMC. They did this for the 30 series partially and the Switch 2 Chip is based loosely around that architecture according to rumors.
Pretty sure companies that are already in the process of building a factory in the States are exempt from import tax. This is because it takes time to build fabs. A month ago, Taiwan government finally allowed TSMC to build 2nm Chips outside Taiwan.
Well, according to ChatGPT, TSMC will probably not be except from Taiwanese tariffs. And also keep in mind that not all graphics cards are assembled in Taiwan. Some are assembled in China, so they would be subject to the Chinese tariff.
You forgett they allow it AFTER they got the better process, so 2028 or later. And thats the time it takes to build the fab anyway. The next gpu generation wont be build with the "old" stuff then. So the problem persists
Stop saying it hasn’t happened. This man has no earthly idea what he is doing nor does he have any business being President. He’s absolutely going to do this BS and everything from cellphones & vehicles to smart appliances is going to go up.
he does and he is running around circles on you. He keeps winning. What he is doing is the same thing he did with colombia and greenland, as he says in his book art of the deal, you ask for 100% you wont get 100% you get 50% but 50% is higher than 0% so you win. Taiwan will bend the knee and do what he wants...as always.
@@arkgaharandan5881 You read his book, just stop talking. Columbia hit back with tariffs and Trump came back crawling on all fours, I guess you can call that win... and Greenland, take your meds honestly, you really need them, throw that piece of shit book in the fire, read the Bible, it's better for simple hill folk like you.
Completely missed the boat on that. If you mean literally going to work in mines, you may be right, but most of these gamers won't survive that kinda work. It's not a shot at them, its just truth.
Nvidia is already pricing their cards as if they already have a 50% tarrif.
Don't worry this is only the beginning xD
Don't worry, that won't stop them from raising it even more, and now with the political cover of "Sorry, but it's the tariff"
Boo Hoo, buy AMD
@@freedomearthmoon1 Amd 😆 😅😅
@@freedomearthmoon1Inferior card? No thanks.
But I already have a 4070 Ti Super (16 GB VRAM😏). I'll be good for a while.
Finally, gpus in America will cost the same as in Europe.
Best news this year so far.
More, much more lmao MAGA
That's not what's going to happen though lol. The chips will be made in the US, and everyone will pay 20-50% more.
Eu accounts for so little of Nvidia's revenue it's lumped in with "other countries" in graphs, flipped in 2020.
I moved to Thailand, so in a similar boat. But the US will always be cheaper because it's the largest market.
@@tyoung319 I'm not, because i'm not buying Nvidia.
@@tyoung319 You are delusional if you think the cutting edge chips will be made in the US. it’s Taiwan’s survival strategy that TSMC doesn’t give to anyone their best and they are always one step ahead so they get protected by the US against China.
Hopefully this crashes the PC gaming market and forces everyone to restructure. I'm tired bro. Even without the tariffs the pain of building a high end PC has been disastrous ever since Covid hit.
Yea, same… it’s ridiculous. I’ve saved to money for something like a 5090… but the product basically won’t even exist. There’s going to be what? Like 500 of them total in the world?
It’s been pain since the mining happened, that’s even before Covid.
Thnx to crypto and ai cancer...nvidia has been profiteering some 50%+ net profit margins which should absolutely be ILLEGAL.
@@ProtectusCZ I was gonna say that. And now AI is eating the pc market.
I coasted a looooooong time on a 4790k and a 1080 Ti, some of the best of what you could get before all the mining, covid, inflation, and now AI.
I did eventually upgrade in winter 2022/2023, which wasn't what you'd call "good" pricing, but it was kind of an "ok-ish" lull in the chaos.
5-6 years ago you could build a high end pc for 1500$... Now you are looking for 2500-3000
Nvidia's stock dropping 20% overnight because of Deepseek is the funniest thing I've seen this year
Think it dropped 17%, it gained back 9% today.
@@bowlinbob6 I guess they realised it is as useless as ChatGPT.
@@bowlinbob6yeah it's still up by over 2000% since COVID, they aren't that shaken
Only really dropped by idiots... As the demand for gpu chips will keep rising
Did you buy the dip? 9% up now.
Deepseek dropping the stock makes zero sense, after people realize that new AI models that are open source and can run locally only increase the demand for AI hardware the stock will be right back up lmao
the US gov will become the biggest scalper... lol..
The Infinite Money Glitch isn't good enough.
Its has always been that.
Hoeven wij in ons kleine kikkerlandje niet druk om te maken ;)
@@xPhantomxify nachtwerk zeker
@@xPhantomxify Daar heb je helemaal gelijk in pikkie
We still can't buy the 4090 near MSRP 2 years later, who really thought the 5090 would be readily available?
well yeah? its not in production anymore.
4090 was available for msrp 1-2 years ago easily
@@quantum5661 don't act like you could buy it for MSRP when it was in production
@@daniil3815 false. Me and several friends attempted for 4 months until finally settling on 4080s (over MSRP) and 7900XTXs. Even 60 days ago the 4090 on Newegg was ranging from $2299 to $2899+.
I paid $2,200 after tax in December of 2023 at Micro Center when I got mine.
Finally US tech enthusiasts will understand us international viewers pain
Bout time though I wont like it - I dont buy higher than mid range anyways.
yeah they voted for it
Yeah they will experience our launch prices of 3k usd to 4k usd for 4090 here in southeast Asia.
@ Thats crazy, youd think itd be cheaper because its literally local.
@@Liatin1 yeah... we voted for a better country, and it's already looking better day by day with ICE deportations and Trump's administration. I could live with higher prices on gpus at the expense of better future
It’s delusional to think 50 series was gonna be at MSRP, tariff or no tariff, US or not US 😂
You sound like a Coping Magat.
For sure, but the tariffs are just going to make them (and most every other piece of computer hardware) even more absurd.
It's delusional to think the tariffs are not going to have a huge impact. Americans remain blind lol.
@@dreadtrain2846 Speaking like Americans are some sorta hivemind while half the country don't agree with the founding fathers is beyond insanity!
haha yeah just like last time
Well i guess I'll get a 7900 xtx and call it good for the next 5 years.
Just got mine in on Sunday. Do it!
It is good lmao
Ok but i dont see why you need to switch to 5000 series if you already have 7900 xtx.
@@Taylormartin7289He said he’s getting one, so probably didn’t buy it yet.
@Taylormartin7289 i have a 12 gb card. I forgot what it is. 6000 series brother.
Friendly reminder that you can save 100% of your money by buying 0% of it, and if supply and demand is real it will get cheaper.
This
The price won't get cheaper because there are too many people with deep pockets and this is where this GPU is targeted to sell.
Shh! people don't understand the difference between a consumption tax, income tax, or any other type of tax... Or how nearly all countries have tariffs on Western goods/services.
@@akmac7559deep pockets some have for sure but majority have deep credit card debt 😂😂
Large corporations, especially when interconnected with goverment. Such as is the case with the majority of silicon valley and M.I.C companies such as boeing actually seem to be able to resist market pressures. The law of supply and demand is unfortunately too reductive in such industries, due to features that make a quasi-monopoly (large amount of capital investment in this case, patents, networks, etc)
Grace Blakeley actually as pretty good book on this, which discusses what I said in the first chapter and second chapter in detail.
That 4090 I bought two years ago doesn’t seem as expensive nowadays. Crazy times !
Saw this coming and bought a second 4090 from a panic seller ahead of the launch for AI purposes
@ nice! Sounds like you got a good deal, good for you.
Tariffs are hidden sales tax. The burden is always passed to the consumer by the importer who actually pays the tariff duty. Contraband will jump for sure.
What a basic point of view.
You don't even understand how the tariffs are being used as leverage in this case
The same exact thing can be said for higher taxes in general that leftist push for on a daily basis! Not to mention the massive inflation created by pudding pants Biden!
@@DingleBerryschnappsleverage against a close US ally?
@@DingleBerryschnapps Do you mind explaining that to us? How could this possibly turn out to be good for the consumers?
@@DingleBerryschnapps They aren't being used as leverage. Taiwan is an ally of the US, there's no strategical benefit to it. If this tariff were coming from some other president that wasn't half awake half asleep, and wasn't an obese piece of shit I'd take it seriously, but Trump is a joke.
Just bough RX 7900 XTX for 888€ from sale and could not be happier.
Normally these cards are priced well over 1000€ here in Finland.
RTX 5080 start at 1229€ here going all the way to 1600€
Wise man buys Radeon
Mistä ostit? Pitää katsoa myös 😂
probsbly because 9070xt will came soon
for 1229 i would had go for the 5080. for my opinion amd card are cripple they lack decent upscaling and no good RT. upscaling and RT comes more mandatory these days, buying amd means sooner need to upgrade. just my thoughts.
You won't regret it. Been using my 7900 XTX for 2 years and it's a beast.
Well gee, I’m so glad every tech RUclipsr on the platform got a 5090 so they can all show off a product nobody else can get.
only jay has 2 ...one from ces plus nvidia ship another one to show off....i bet youtubers complains about it for why only jay get one from ces event when everyone unaware what he doing in closed door with nvidia rep with him. Talking about corruption i seeing with jay2cents doing backroom deals with nvidia. That man will never learned since so many scandals with his partners of name brand he sponsors on his channel, he must getting over millions of dollars in checks, while pretending he was shock in hearing of it is something other youtubers need to investigate on ...Steve right ? investigation jay2cents...specially linus doing NVIDIA favors ...not sure what i believe now. both are wealthy millionaires on their channels since
@ I don’t even understand Nvidias angle… like why even have RUclipsrs shill a product that you’re only making like… 200 of?
@@Frontigenics for brand value. It's very common for people to buy something affordable from "best brand" instead of considering other better options
@Frontigenics They also got to keep it... and some of the people who got one do absolutely horrible content.
@@Frontigenics it's to keep the halo effect going. Showing the 5090 cranking out huge performance makes consumers think the other 50 series cards are better than anything else too. It's stupid, but it is what it is.
Boycott anything above $999 for a 5080. If any of you buy it at above $999, you're contributing to a problem waiting to explode to become the new normalcy. Nvidia and AIB partners want the the xx80 series to be the new $1299-1499 price range. Don't feed into that.
The point of the video is that tariffs possibly increase prices. As much as double with the current threats from the president. So ur 999 msrp will be 1250, 1500, or even as high as 2k for a product originally set for 999. Hopefully, nothing happens, but we shall see.
rest of the world don't have that option
Astral 5080 is 1799
you wrongly understand the situation, AIB partners would be fine to sell 5080 for $600 if nvidia sell them chips for lower price which accounts for margin. At this point the only thing would help is a massive AIB boycott of ngreedia
MSRP at this point doesn't exist. It hasn't since the 20 series.
It does if you buy in person
@@GregObpar Fair, but how long does that realistically last with a short supply?
@@MisterWoes6 minutes or so if you line up 4 days early.
I bought my 4090 at MSRP online. For 10 months it was readily available at MSRP, at least in Canada.
You sound like a Coping Magat.
in Italy the prices are crazy, a card like this costs over 3,000 euros, with this amount you can get your whole computer
You can get a lot of good stuff with that money. It's absolutely insane. Nobody should ever be buying a GPU that expensive. Even 1K was too much.
Skill issue
My business strategy: Hold onto chips and manufactured cards in stock, tell customers to expect shortage or that drivers need polishing, wait a couple months for tariffs then flood the market with preexisting GPU's but include 50% tariff costs...profit.
diabolical 😭
Some would say they've already priced it to include the tariff costs! PROFIT!
the tariff will go to the US government not to Nvidia, they werent gonna have ANY problem moving their cards anyway and how does that increase their profit margin UNLESS there was NO demand for them at their current pricing point? that said they already were baked in to have a HUGE profit margin due to not having a 3rd player in the space, pull for intel to release something midrange cheap and shake it up, its the only thing that CAN at this point...They wouldnt wait on tariffs that just doesnt make sense to the selling company unless they want to create as Nvidia does false market supply side issues....but tariffs will only hamper the selling of their GPU not boost it....
i like that amd is only willing to talk about their upcoming product through riddles and connect the dots, feels like im a kid again guessing my christmas present
2:22 the tarrifs may not directly affect the the cards that are already in the us but the threat of them will. Whether that's supply and demand or scalpers being more aggressive now that the supply is limited and the tarriffs give them headroom for gouging.
Yep.
4090 actually became one of the best investment product somehow
XTs
It's not an investment it will never acrue value
Here's hoping it lasts at least another 3-4 years before it's relegated to mid-tier status.
Doesn't seem too far-fetched considering how much it leapfrogged the 3090Ti.
@@KurikettoEven the rtx 3090ti is still a beast. A 3090ti will last through trumps term and most of the civil war.
You're gonna make bank selling that with this disasterous launch
Note how he said "They gonna pay" as if Taiwan gonna pay the tariff and not the Americna consumers lol
Some are economically illiterate and genuinely don't realize that tariffs are always paid by the consumer and don't help the economy at all. In fact, the US economy is already showing indicators that it's heading for the biggest crash since the Great Depression.
Trump Taxes, we should all start calling Trump's tariffs what they really are.
I would love to laugh at Americans over this tariff stuff but the unfortunate reality is those tariffs will affects worldwide pricing as well since the US is a behemoth of a market
That's pretty much a fact. As a EU citizen I can confirm that anything big happens in US, all EU reacts accoringly
@@vampiszon6620, in this case, I would put the blame for US prices' effects on the EU directly on Nvidia and AMD's shoulders, but I otherwise agree with what you are saying.
Any price change that Nvidia sees as successful (for their bottom line) in one place, regardless of the "why" of that cost increase, will end up being passed on to wherever else they sell it.
It will crash pc gaming and its needed to force them to restructure and actually deliver substancial hardware development cost friendly mid term. A correction is needed.
You can laugh, let it all out
Trump argued for years that the other country would pay the tariff not US consumers. Guys, I think it's possible he may be an imbecile.
Not dumb enough to get you nuked.
No, he is a stable genius, he said it himself.
doofus is a good name for you
@@wingflex5367 cry
@@wingflex5367 Most people that have done business with him over the years, also say that.
Only the media and corrupt politicians tell you the opposite, and that's who you follow. 😂
🤡
Why is shortage of graphics cards even a thing? Why are they never able to produce enough before a launch? It's strange how we never see this with other types of electronics such as Tv's, smart phones and what have you.
@@askalds Because Nvidia shifted production of its chips for data center/AI. They make way more money there than pc gamers.
Well at least they used to. Perhaps we will see them ramp up their home PC GPU market.
It’s a marketing strategy. It’s the old FOMO selling method. Apple does this every 6 months with their products and works very well on coNsuMErs that only live to consume.
@@thillyard1 Nvidia just needs to shift its chip production to the US. They can make these at the TSMC fab in Arizona.
It's artificial scarcity. Diamonds aren't rare either, the supply is just withheld so the price goes up and a higher profit is made. It also helps that gaming GPUs use the same chips that go into professional cards that nobody bats an eye at paying $500 to $10000 for.
@@ryanspencer6778That's what you spend when having an actual job or business.
Not sitting around writing RUclips comments...
You won't see FSR4 won't in Cyberpunk, CDPR doesn't want to add FSR 3.1 (even though it had been out for some time) but added FSR 3 instead and made it worse than FSR 2.1
Of course they won't, Cyberpunk is a Nvidia marketing tool
@praisetheoak Exactly, there's an incentive to not do as it's an Nvidia sponsored game and money has been passed around. The day we get FSR 3.1 is the day people and tech publications (such as digital foundry) make a huge fuss about it, such as Starfield not having DLSS. We still don't even have FSR in Dying Light 2, ain't nobody cares though.
Bro fsr is still crap..it doesnt matter if it's 3.1.. stop hating on cdpr..the game runs better on amd cards when not using ray tracing..u guys are unbelievable
@@BT_01 Nah, first of all FSR 3.1 isn't that bad. Look at games like Space Marines 2 or Ghost of Tsushima, great implementations. Secondly FSR 3.1 allows for a .dll override for FSR 4, which lets users use FSR 4 without game devs putting it in natively.
Lastly, hating on CDPR? Lol, lmao even. The game launched in such a sad state it was pulled from stores and had legality issues over refunds as the game was half baked. The damning part here with FSR is that unpaid people making FSR 3.1 mods do a better job than CDPR with official tools and access to the engine.
Edit: also the game running better via raster is more a testament to how good AMD cards are in general, watch Daniel Owens low end-mid range Nvidia cards needs DLSS to reach AMDs native performance. The only thing NVIDIA cards have going for it is RT and games that use the RTX branch of UE. Even then the 7900 XTX is about as good as a 3080/Ti in RT (TPU) unless it's PT. Discounting TAAU of course, as AMD is getting an ML solution as well.
@Accuaro lol..fsr is nowhere near dlss n i have space marine 2. fsr quality loses to older dlss 3 ultra perf..i didn't even try the dlss transformer .wud be even better.. amd cards are just not good enuf..power hungry , unusable upscaling, no rtx hdr, higher latency with frame gen, poor rt performance..it jus doesnt make sense to buy amd cards unless nvidia cards r heavily overpriced in ur region. I would probably use fsr in marvel rivals coz i dont care about visuals in a competitive game, but compared to dlss Transformer, it's dog$hit.
the fact a 2080 super is needed to run standard settings in 1080p (UPSCALED) is crazy af
it's an old GPU slower than today's low end what do you expect
@@GewelReal It's only 12% slower than a 4060 Ti. So we shouldn't expect modern $400 cards to run games at standard settings 1080p native?
Its not. X box series x has something similar to a 2080 according to digital foundry video and thats old. Consoles are bare minimum
@@nicane-9966 It's not what? Feel free to check Techpowerup's relative performance chart or various benchmarks here on yt. Or take a few seconds to think how the hell Microsoft would be able to sell a $500 console with comparable GPU performance to a $700 GPU released 1 year prior. Modern architectures often perform better in newer titles but it's still competitive with 3060/4060/3060Ti/4060Ti. If that class of card cannot run modern titles at 1080p native 60fps there are major problems.
Wait until the devs make an MFG game requiring strictly MFG and mandatory RT to atleast run at 60fps🤡
I'm regretting buying a 4080 super in November for $1,000 less and less
innit 😭 40series was a great investment in hindsight
I just got a 4070ti super on amazon on blk friday sale, so cheaper than msrp. The return deadline is the end of this month because of the amazon holdiay policy....looks like I'm keeping it lmao. Shame, really wanted to get the 5070ti at or close to it's msrp but this card I just got has been amazing anyways.
Just looked up 4070 ti super online and the prices are going crazy or it's out of stock atm.
I'm starting to regret skipping the 4000 generation to buy back into 5000.
I’m regretting being a college student and not being able to buy any new graphics cards since high school. I planned my build senior year to last until I finished college, well I finish next year and…
i wanted to buy a 5090 but seeing the price and availability, I thought i get a 4090 instead.... but they are out of stock everywhere here now, and they do not make them anymore :/
Tariffs don't affect companies. It comes out of our wallet. Don't let trump or his admin fool you. Yes tariffs are supposed to encourage them, but in the end all it does is get chunked out by our wallet or dumbed down features
It will hurt sales. Given the lack of non-taiwan options, not as much as other products, but it will still hurt sales
Lisa and Jensen laughing to themselves hearing the plebs think companies will eat the cost.
@@notacoree All taxes are paid by the consumer. If it encourages companies to invest in manufacturing here it’s a net positive.
You are clearly missing the point of these tariffs. The US needs to start manufacturing it's own products again if we really want our economy to improve. Buying cheap products off the backs of slave laborers was never ethical.
@@PyroBlonde7777 in no way are people in Taiwan chip fabs slave labour. Not does the US have the fabs themselves to make all of these. 🤡 President
The importer doesn't pay for the tax, it's paid by the consumer.
Nah, the importer pays. Consumers end up paying tariff plus a markup.
@@dave3823 lololol
Really?? Trump implemented 20% Tariffs back in 2017 to Mexico, Canada, China and the European Union, name one single product after that that went up in price, and you can't say 2020 prices cause that's Covid Inflation and BidenFlation, I'll wait 🤡🤡
Importer and consumer basically the same thing. It is the exporter that passes the cost on to the importer/consumer
Leftist constantly push to raise taxes that get paid for by the consumer all the time! Inflation is a hidden tax on the consumer also!
For just 12 payments, you can own a graphics card in 2025.
sounds like poor person
Mexico will pay for the tariffs... right?... right?
no, china will.
@arkgaharandan5881 oh yeah... Cuz tariffs work totally the opposite of every other time in history
still waiting for Mexico to pay for that wall he promised🤷🏻♂️
I'm not into politics but jesus christ some things are deluded 😭
@@dr_diddyStill waiting on Biden/Harris to improve the economy also! 👍
@@bfhandsomeface409Trump does love the uneducated.
An expensive GPU is the least of my concerns just saying.
but muh hecking 4090 now sucks how will i ever afford a 5090
So go do that one good thing in your life.
great way of making clown excuses ngl.
I mean the man is causing all sorts of chaos.
@@hanannyg whatever you say "true gamer" when the government takes takes away something they love, that's when you really begin to bitch about it, when cartel members are killing citizens of the country, you could care less. Grow up, ngl
Wait 2 days, you'll see the ACTUAL Prices!
100% AMD were going for that pricing thinking Nvidia would try to push up the price of the 5080 and 5070 again
LOL, from a _Bulgarian_ outlet with bad translation of costs let alone the real pricing of the GPU's.
Oh yeah, we get our tech news from Bulgaria ALL the time apparently. You make it sound perfectly possible when its far from it and plus it makes absolutely no sense unless we were back in 2022/2023 again.
Bulgarian VAT is 20% and their "dollar" is 50% USD.
@@YTisProMentalillness The prices AMD initially gave retailers was crazy, we know this from German retailers, now Bulgarian too. Of course AMD wants to try and control the damage, but it was already done as usual AMD lags behind in everything.
4070tisuper is cheaper same rt perf and has better image quality even without tn model 900$ for last gen perf is crazy onother gen onother nvidai card i guess
Imagine taking definitive strong stances based on rumors and feelings.
Why
My son needed an upgrade but could not afford anything decent so I grabbed a 7900 xtx and passed my 6800 xt to him. With living these well outlast this nonsense of tarriffs. I figured even at 800 a 7900 xtx was not as bad a deal as any of the new cards due to availability.
not a bad idea rn
good job, Pops/
your profile is pretty unfitting for a person who has a son, are you sure he's not a delusion?
The $764 xtx on Black Friday is somehow the best card of this generation
it shouldnt be this hard to say that nonsensical tariffs that would skyrocket prices for consumers are bad
They make sense actually if you know the full picture.
It’s not nonsensical. Tariffs on foreign imports help the American businesses.
China has been undercutting and killing American business for decades.
@@LeoPlaysGames3 Do you have any idea the lead time on the machines that make chips, how long it would take your factories to be in a position to build them and the fact that Biden put all of the funding down for this in the CHIP act he just did things in a thought through manner unlike Trump who shouts loudly and does nothing, well unless your one of his millionaire backers then your fine
@@LeoPlaysGames3yepp that’s why after almost a decade of chinese steel tariffs the price of steel is down… wait guess not
its always the gamers who suffer most
gamer lives matter
they should rise up
We are a very marginalized group.
@@Luchingadorgood, they need some exercise
I hope this is a joke.
second term of the orange man is starting funny
orange man bad
why? Because prices of something you love are probably going to increase, even though it's not yet confirmed? Yet you are ignoring all the wins his administration already had such as ICE deportations, removing DEI hires and signing an executive order to prohibit hiring base on gender and sex. You know there are also other things besides your hobby, right?
relax, taiwan will bend the knee as usual.
@@phantom0590 Did you have a stroke while writing this? Take your meds, you really need them. Go buy those eggs and make an omelette.
@@phantom0590 you think taiwan imports of chips are only for hobbies? They affect almost every industry. Trump should have simply doubled down on the CHIPS act and tried to help Intel create meaningful competition to TSMC. He could even claim credit for that biden act.
If you believe AMD/Intel/Nvidia would not charge the tariff markup for any cards that got into the country ahead of the tariffs, then you are far too naive. I would suggest that the primary reason for AMD postponing their launch, and for the paper launch of Intel and Nvidia's new GPUs is that they are getting as much stock into the country now so that they can charge the tariff price for them to double their profits.
Nvidia commented: 5090 and 5080 are likely to be out of stock, MSRP5080 will not appear, the price of 5080aic is more than $1300, and the situation of 5070ti in February will be the same, you have to pay extra to buy it!
Gigabyte has one MSRP 5080 model, so at least there's that?
They are again weighing buying power of their target market.
They didn't say they'd be likely out of stock. They said it MAY be out of stock.
just get FE
Ancient Gameplays has shown that at least 53 games are going to have fsr4 at launch. so that won't be a problem.
But is he a credible source? Or is he shilling to hype specific people 😅
It's actually just FSR4 on FSR3.1 games via driver. DLSS 4 will be the same way on all RTX cards via driver. It's a big win for everyone.
@@redclaw72666 I haven't watched many of his videos, but he's often sceptic on what AMD says and tends to look things on his own, including doing benchmarks. Regardless never take anything anyone says at face value (even me saying this), and just look up the most reputable sources and double check the data/press releases/sources as mucha s you can.
It’s barely been a week bro. 😢
207 more to go best case 415 worst as he seems to think a 3rd may be possible
i know right i have not stopped laughing. MAGA.
@@matthewsaunders8774 a 3rd will never be possible.
@@arkgaharandan5881 You haven't stopped laughing about how you're gonna have less money or not being able to buy the things you want? 🤡
@@ready1player31 It's over for you sweaty.
7:58 yeah! We never considered the $899 option! We were thinking about the $949 price!
2:32 yeah no, as soon as the tarifs are in place, prices will go up in preparation. Why sell for cheap when noone can import new ones to compete with you
the thing is the mere possibility of tariffs causes prices to rise in anticipation.
Businesses would rather do multiple small increases in price before the tariffs hit instead of doing it all in one chunk.
This leads to prices going up before any tariffs are even confirmed to go in place.
In Brazil when we buy anything from another country above 50 bucks, we will get 100% tax.. So.. dollar is already 6x our money + 100% tax.. yeah, we buy what you guys call "low end" for the price of what should've been mid-range/high end.. IT SUCKS!
Dont live in brazil
So does that help Brazil to produce these things locally... I presume not...
Strictly based on a Google search, I'm seeing that there's a margin of about 70% on gpu chips, and the cost of a GPU is ~40% the chip.
Assuming the accuracy of this information and that consumers will ultimately foot the bill for tariffs, it implies that $800 of a $2000 card is the chip. Given a 70% markup baked into the $800 chip, this means their actual cost is ~$470. If a tariff of 100% goes into place *that affects the chip only*, then the overall cost of a $2000 card should increase to $2470 for the end consumer, a cost increase of 23.5%.
Alot of assumptions here, but just spitballing.
That may be true, but then you still need to account for the other downstream effects of how consumers perceive the tariffs, and how that impacts their purchasing behavior (e.g., scalping).
Yes, I agree mostly but also let's not forget that nVidia needs to talk to investors and they'll probably be mad that they are not bringing as much percent income so it really would be more to satisfy percentage income margins
The price yo have there for the chip is way too high. There is no way that the chip only costs that much. The 4090 chip was around 100-120$ to produce IIRC.
This chip is a bit larger on the same node, the node is more mature so should have somewhat better yeilds. I would guess 120-150$
The big difference is that RAM. That is where a lot of the BOM is coming from
Less sales of video cards then. Most of us aren't rich.
You weren't buying a 5090 anyway. I bet you buy the XX60 series when you manage to scrape the money together.
@@ScoobyJoobyJew The problem is that it’s not just the 5090 that will see a price increase. When chip costs rise, the costs of all GPU and CPU products will increase as well. In the U.S., only one company might benefit from this-provided that it returns to using its own chips-and that company is the already failed Intel.
It doesn't matter, there are not enough GPUs anyway, so if anything tariffs will help to leverage that.
@@bogodoyandex9654no pc, no servers, no console, no phones. Thats were the monopols are the biggest. And they dont care if you pay more, you buy it anyway
That "MSRP feels like charity" statement reminds me of old EVGA and why they left this segment of the market.
No doubt they're a happier company now with less headaches.
Goddamn do I miss EVGA.
Screw EVGA for betraying us all.
Newegg started scalping today right in front of me ... I was watching for the B580 for my son at $249 to $269 depending on the brand and the Sparkle B580 came in stock for $269 so I ordered one and I checked back later like 2 hr and it was sold out ...well 3 hr after that it is back in stock shipped and sold by Newegg for $299 $30 more than it was 3 hrs before and yes if I click on my card in my order it now comes up as $299 and not the $269 I just got threw paying for it and my receipt shows I payed for it ...wow
That is because there is basically no availability for Intel GPUs. The demand just isn't there, so Intel isn't stocking distributors.
well known eggs are more expensive
LOL
Intel is losing money on their GPU so they aren’t making many. Low quality is easy to scalp.
No this one is different, this is daylight robbery changing the price of a product you already bought to a different price point 2 hours later.@@PyroBlonde7777
just when ai bubble is about to pop trump fucks up the gpu market with his tafiffs.
Make GPUs at Intel, Intel.
@@YoungGirlz8463intel fabs aren’t able to compete with TSMC. They also don’t have the yields
@@YoungGirlz8463 They can't... they can't even make their own chips. I wonder what if Taiwan says get everything and just abandons their factories... then the whole world is going to "bend the knee" and cry for some chips from Taiwan... any chips at all. By the way Taiwan actually has much more leverage... than the US... yes the US can bomb them... but that would be even worse.... it seems the US is getting ready to kill "the golden goose" of the world.
Mate u will pay also for the bubble pop , Trump will save with your money his billionaire overlords 😂
Do they still think that the customer won’t pay the tariffs? 😂 Some US Americans are very special. I wonder how they build their AI farms without chips.
Same people that truly thought Mexico would pay for a wall…
in Mexico?
no one is forcing you to always buy the latest gpu's over consuming, i like the butt hurt in here
@@dave3823wait what? 😦
but... my wall 😭
@@mathiasv2578 They're butt hurt and stupid. They're all yapping about prices going up like that isn't the point. It's time the US brings manufacturing back. They'd rather our GDP take a nose dive so they can abuse slave wages in Communist countries like China.
Looks like I'll be chillin with my 3090 for another 3 years and I'm absolutely thrilled
You don't need an upgrade. Almost any flagship from the 2000 series (although it's getting close) till now should be good another 5 years easy.
@frankytanky5076 funny thing is why do you need more powerful graphics if most AAA games are bad and unoptimised? You have an infinite amount of better older games to choose from, why always the race to buy and have the latest gpu and games?
Problem is the same thing will happen with 6xxx cards and beyond.
@@mihailcirlig8187 Because people want to play them when they come out? Is this a real question? O_o
My 3090 is struggling @ 7680X1440 165hz.
I can not IMAGINE the sheer stupidity of all the gamers that voted this buffoon in again. He outright said hed ban violent video games.
4:17 that's one reason for which EVGA left the GPU market.
Can't wait for other AIBs to do the same and perhaps start doing AMD cards, that'd help a lot against nvidia's monopoly and stupid high prices.
AMD originally positioning the 9070XT, a card meant to compete with the 5070, at $899 tells me a lot about their GPU marketing strategy...
If they price the 9070XT at $499, most people will still opt for a 5070. Pricing slightly below Nvidia has already been proven to not work. They will need to undercut all competition by a huge amount. In fact they need to sell at cost or even at a loss if they truly want to gain market share.
Was likely gonna compete with the 5070 ti... But the price definitelly was too close or on nvidias level and had to do aome changes...
It’s a rumor, I don’t believe it and neither should you
it's ok as long as price of eggs are down though right? oh wait..
They're currently $10 here... up from $3.
Amazing, thanks Obama
It's been a week, don't be an idiot.
@@fordgtguy Literally. Plus the blue states like the ones i live in have suddenly instated new regulations on how you can raise chickens that'll make producing them exorbitantly expensive.
@@fordgtguy Give it 4 years, it still won't come down.
Trump supports are a certain breed of stupid
If you think we're putting tariffs on Taiwan, send me what you're smoking.
This is preposterous. All these companies are going to do is transfer the burden to consumers
Yes... that's how taxes work.
Then don't buy. Duh. You can't fix off shoring by doing nothing.
I bought a Arc B580 just an hour ago for my PLEX server. My GTX 1650 started making awful noises just at the right time it seems.
I am commenting from my tent outside my local Microcenter
Ok scalper
@@subjectivereviews bruh you can only buy 1 per person calm down
@@subjectivereviews personal use…
Tariffs, how the rich tax the poor
That would be the income tax
ironic since tariffs have been historically used to make sure poor people still have jobs in their countries due to competition abroad.
Progressive tax system- how the politicians steal from the productive citizens!
The tariffs are being used as leverage to get other things.
But hey, I'm glad you can use a dictionary. This goes beyond the basic definition.
@@raydare2002 For built industry, having to build entire industries does not help with pricing or job availability. We also have low unemployment so the work force doesnt even have enough workers for these new industries, which means wed need more immigration, but were trying to limit immigration so. yeah.
Graphics cards may end up cheaper in Australia than the Usa for once....
5090 drops tonight at midnight here got my finger trigger ready
Nice!, what are you upgrading from?
And yes, the day cards are cheaper here will be crazy. The seppos did it to themselves if it ends up like that.
@rastan49 I am upgrading from a 980ti 😆 🤣
@easyaussietarget3355 hats off to you sir. That's a respectable upgrade, gonna be a game changer.
4090 here, so sitting sweet still!
@rastan49 Was going to buy a 4090 here some local pc builders have them in systems brand new for reasonable money but I went a little crazy should last me another 10 yrs fingers xd
For real trump is try to get TSMC to make chips to be made in the US. Thats also why he going after Canada for AMD.
Can't wait for the 6090 to be $4000 usd in 2 years
My bet is that it IF Nvidia is still making graphics cards in 2 years, and haven't gone all AI, we'll be looking at closer to $6,0000.
nah by that time AMD and Intel will have good mid to top end cards
@@rudy1999 We can certainly hope for that wondrous day!
I don't really understand why these companies sticking fans on gpus and reselling them still exist, its 2025 man.
PCs are about options
@@zachb1706 How many options do you need, they add very little value to the product. Would you pay 20% more to a "partner" to put your coke in a different shaped can? I feel like there's a chip mafia and I'm paying all the gangsters down the chain their taste to get my gpu drug.
@@rotm4447 the base Nvidia card is impressive, like how it can fit in small cases. But that came at the compromise of slightly worse thermals and more fan noise than other cards.
If you live in a hot climate, want a quieter card, or don’t like the look of the Founder edition partner cards are for you
@@zachb1706 they're designing founders cards to look pretty first because the current system is in place.
Welcome in Europe GPU pricing >D
2080 RTX still doing everything I need. No way I planned to be saying that in 2025, but here we are.
Nice job on including the specific tariff quote first to set an accurate stage. Could very well be a big tariff but we don't know how big just yet.
Wonder what kind of an impact it means for future TSMC fabbing in the US since they're still working on a 2nm in Arizona.
$INTC to the moon!
2nm in the US won't start til 2028 so at least for the near future semi conductors will be imported.
Apple could also end up being greedy since they already use most chips from TSMC
@@YoungGirlz8463 I want to believe that as well but damn Intel has been taking too many L's.
They cannot do the 2nm process and dont want to, they said they do ot after x time. Expecred is 2028 after they got the new process running thmeself first. So just wait 3 years. Easy
@@Blackbirdone11 ot?expecred?
Just be happy with your 4090
no
I am humbly grateful.
Don't tell me what or who to be happy with little boy
@@GregObpar you couldn't be happy either way
But I have a 5600xt!
Doesn`t everyone already pay tax when buying something from the US stores ?
Foreigners often COMPLAIN that there are HIDDEN costs and end up paying more than expected when buying something
US stores never list the sales tax, since it varies from state to state, so the listed price is never the one the consumer ends up paying. Since stores in the rest of the world list the price already including national taxes, the listed price IS the amount the consumer pays. Foreigners don't understand this, buy in the US and then get slapped with taxes they were not expecting.
But thats money for the state, tarrifs go to the fedaral pocket, so more money for trump to spend
Very few people will be buying $1000 GPUs. There is absolutely no excuse for trying to normalize such corporate greed and the outrageous pricing of GPUs now. The 50 series, being completely blunt, are a disaster for ordinary PC users. Nvidia's recent loss of value of billions hasn't yet taught it anything. It looks like another lesson will be needed soon.
I can't find concrete information on this, will DLSS4 come to series 40 cards ?
I know the mults generation won't, but is the improved upscaler something you need a series 50 for ?
US labour is not cheap. Do you honestly think it will be just 2000 dollars for a 5080? Chipmaking was outsourced because domestically it can't be price competitive.
Chip processes are full automated. There are only some people overwtach it and staff for testing.
A modern fab is a full integrated process from the wafer to the chip. Zero people involved. (Beside people to controll it sure)
So for a fab you only need some 100 people and these people are allready highr payed people everywere in the world so tha twont add that much.
What is expensive is to produce the wafers, after some reaearch there is no wafer fab in the us for the top tier chips "currently" so they need to ship it in? I dont really know. Beside that we talk about 2028+ it dont really matter. The fabs are build and ready after trump "maybe"
@@Blackbirdone11 That's true, but to build the fabs and facility maintainance are still labour intensive tasks. Time will tell if it will result in cheaper chips, or it's going to cost more.
The value of my 3090 about to go stonks lol. All hail 24gb vram
It's crazy how most people who voted for trump don't even understand what tariffs are lmao. This is the state of the US atm....God help us all man.
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they do understand. people just dont like expensive slops gettinf more expensive.
Only a land full of morons will elect a super moron
Sheep are sheep. they think of Trump as the saviour, yet he sees them as slaves, which they are.
your name is adbul
Prices in other countries have pretty much always been double the MSRP due to tariffs.
I don't really mind FSR4 not being that good at launch. Think about it: By the time I'd need FSR, it means my GPU is already getting too old. And if a game REQUIRES upscaling at 1440p to hit 60fps on a 9070, that game can fuck off, I'm not playing that shit
You are easily one of my favorite pc content creators. I love the nerdy nature of your videos and it scratches the information itch.
“charity” lol
That wording alone makes me want to give them the finger.
What are the profit margins then? And what were they before?
Unless the board partners provide some numbers on that and back it up I’m inclined not to believe multimillion dollar companies who talk about “charity”.
0~200$ more than MSRP was always the standard for board partners depending on what bells and whistles you’d want.
A great day to live outside the US.^^
Not really. US is top consumer. Stores won't be carrying products from other countries, other countries push the loss on their own people.
@@atchmon902 You really need to explain yourself better there buddy guy. because you sound like one big pile of confusion. You sure you know what you are talking about???
Sure is
@@atchmon902 Not how a tariff works.
@@rooster1012 it is an affect of the tariffs effect.
MSRP prices and FE cards is the reason EVGA exited the GPU market after the 3000 series.
same as MSI did with AMD Now...🤣🤣🤣
@ we should of knew this was going to be an issue the moment Nvidia started releasing the FE card continuously, that they would eventually cut into their other card partners. but I also didn’t see GPU prices getting this high I didn’t think about it then.
It's high time to introduce a tax. The whole world pays taxes and receives cards at MSRP + 30/40/50%, and in the US it is sold at MSRP. 100% is of course too harsh, but 25-50% would be fair.
This might hurt at first - but strategically this is very important, forcing chip producers to build foundrries in the USA, freeing the whole world from China potentially occupying Taiwan and then having the most critical chip building infrastructure all in their hands
You do not need to hurt the american people to achieve this, which is what you're missing. In fact, through Bidens Chips and Science act, we already are building those factories, just in time for idiot trump to prob attempt to take credit for it.
China will build chips anyway, by basically forcing sanctions on Taiwan, the US undercuts itself and all their allies... it's crazy what US wants to do. Basically it's like they want to destroy "the golden goose" which is what Taiwan is. I think Taiwan fabs would not be successful on US soil, for the same reason Intel fabs are not successful. Also I wouldn't be surprised if people from TSMC start to abandon the company... because of what US does... you can't force the geniuses there to work for anyone by force, they can just "sit on their ass" and do nothing. US should have found the right motivation for people to do their work... force and fear are not the right motivation. There are deeper reasons why this whole thing would not work but one comment is not enough to explain everything... by the way I was predicting for sometime US might turn on it's allies, but I didn't expected it to happen that soon... it's just crazy.
Top notch processes cannot be build in the us, simple as that. For other stuff sure, but the process you need for chips for phones cards and stuff. Nope. There is no "we can do it" the stuff is a monopol from 2 companies. One from europe and one from taiwan. Ask you why everyone works with tsmc? Because they are the only onces that have access to the machine and process needed. AAA chips are only build from them.
@Blackbirdone11 its ASML, they build the litographic machines, stationed in the netherlands - one of the most modern ones of their machines has been set up for Intel in the US, they just need time to figure it out. Also: the know-how is the issue. This key infrastructure NEEDS to be decentralized. Obviously for the Taiwanese it is a matter of ecistence to be sitting on this crucial know-how and the machines - but it's nothing that cannot be transferred to another country - machines, know-how and the foundries. And it needs to be done asap, or we're at the mercy of China
Chips being made in Us is gonna skyrocket prices
I wonder if USA tax will affect prices in EU
Seriously?
@@dauntae24, possibly, if gamers (the ones that can) are dumb enough to pay.
Remember, after scalpers and Crypto drove 3000 series prices so high, Jensen realized that gamers were willing to pay higher prices, and acted accordingly.
Both Nvidia and AMD increased the prices of their next GPU offerings, sometimes to a ridiculous extent, even as Nvidia, in particular, offered either no, or a relatively small increase in perfomance, for anything under the 4090 SKUs.
The cards will already be 3000 euros. We already get shit pricing. Don't worry about that
No. Price would not change for imports into other countries. USA would have to pay more than they would have. Basically equals them out to the prices everyone else pays. Nvidia would not be smart to import them into the USA first before distributing to other countries. They ship from factories outside the USA to other countries. Just as they ship to the USA.
They will since Europe loves adjusting their prices to the US ones if US prices go up over EU prices.
Tariffs ALWAYS get passed down to consumers, Trump just effed all of us in the US. I hope I can obtain a 5080 FE on Thursday when I go to Best Buy
Maybe it will be diffrent at your location but a best buy rep told me they wont have them in stores.
@ i went to the store to ask the managers, after joking around with them for a bit they told me they’ll have a few to sell in the floor but they will be limited, they told me to go back tomorrow afternoon and they’ll be able to tell me how many, and told me if I wanted to get in line to go around 6am or before on thursday to be one of the first ones, but we will see tomorrow. I live in LA, so big city maybe thats why
If tariffs were a viable method we would still use them hell the whole world would. They stopped doing it because it doesn't work. That's why have I come tax problem is these companies like Amazon don't pay taxes. This is more about him trying to get his rich Oligarchs to never have to pay taxes.
I am more curious what will Nvidia do now, after the stock drop. Jensen comes out "Hey guys, gaming GPUs were always our priority. AI? Whats AI? Never heard of that. 😂
Context: NVIDIA’s margins are like 90%, which means the total cost is like 10%, so a 50% tariff would raise prices by 5% all else equal.
I watched the source of the leaks and they say that AMD wanted to launch the cards in 23 January.
They wanted to sell the 9070 XT for 1060$ (2000 leva) and the 9070 for 960$ (1800 leva) here in Bulgaria, which would be 850$ (9070 XT) and 770$ (9070) MSRP when you remove the +20% VAT.
As of right now that is literally the same price of the cheapest 7900 XTXs you can get here (1060$). 🤣🤣🤣
That's the high end of the range and EU has had high prices since forever
20% VAT🤯
If it's true, AMD is even more delusional than I thought. 🤣
This Tax is funny because, all it does is hurt consumers as even at 100%, all its going to do is get passed onto consumers. So i am not sure what Trump's angle here besides maybe getting more $ for him and big business while consumers end up paying for it.
only US consumers
His angle is that his supporters think the other countries are paying for it.
His angle is he is a toddler that learned a new word. 🤦♂️
@ no. trust me, it will affect the rest of the world. Australia on its own already gets screwed.
@@ZomgZomg007 Come off it.
The future of the country is more important than your stupid graphics cards and chips, bring on the tariffs!
Yes, it's kind of wild people are against this. It puts pressure on TSMC to move their chip manufacturing to the United States.
I was monitoring the market for some time, and when those news popped up, I took my car and got a used RTX 4080 for 700 USD including local 23% tax. If this goes live, the prices of GPU-s will skyrocket, and we are talking all GPU-s including the used ones. Crypto apocalipse all over again.
Hi Dan
Thanks for the information. It is my first time to build a pc and I do not know if I should choose 5080 or 9070 xt for my GPU. What do you suggest?
5080 will be more expensive but better in every single way
Nintendo looking real smart for choosing Samsung for Switch 2.
PC been stronger than Switch 2 for a decade.
@@YoungGirlz8463 Such a brave statement to make, I'm proud of you.
So what do you mean did they go with the Samsung chips? My theory always was that they was going to wait for that Nvidia contract to run out, or get close to letting it run out that way they could switch chip manufacturers before or during production. Nvidia has always been easily replaceable when it comes to ARM.
@@LoganE01 Samsung is manufacturing the chips. They are Nvidia designed chips though. Samsung does chip fabrication in South Korea.
@@LoganE01 I dont think that was ever in the cards if they wanted backwards compatibility. I think they were just sitting on it so they could sell more original Switches. By Samsung they mean that the Nvidia chips are made by Samsung foundries instead of TSMC. They did this for the 30 series partially and the Switch 2 Chip is based loosely around that architecture according to rumors.
Pretty sure companies that are already in the process of building a factory in the States are exempt from import tax. This is because it takes time to build fabs. A month ago, Taiwan government finally allowed TSMC to build 2nm Chips outside Taiwan.
Well, according to ChatGPT, TSMC will probably not be except from Taiwanese tariffs. And also keep in mind that not all graphics cards are assembled in Taiwan. Some are assembled in China, so they would be subject to the Chinese tariff.
@@mark_delightah yes chat gpt, where I get all my bleeding edge news on complex topics still in development.
You forgett they allow it AFTER they got the better process, so 2028 or later. And thats the time it takes to build the fab anyway. The next gpu generation wont be build with the "old" stuff then. So the problem persists
I guess I'm glad I got my RTX4080 laptop. Lol.
me too
What's with the random game system requirements at the end of the video? :D Did I miss something? It felt very off-topic. :D
Stop saying it hasn’t happened. This man has no earthly idea what he is doing nor does he have any business being President. He’s absolutely going to do this BS and everything from cellphones & vehicles to smart appliances is going to go up.
he does and he is running around circles on you. He keeps winning. What he is doing is the same thing he did with colombia and greenland, as he says in his book art of the deal, you ask for 100% you wont get 100% you get 50% but 50% is higher than 0% so you win. Taiwan will bend the knee and do what he wants...as always.
@@arkgaharandan5881 You read his book, just stop talking. Columbia hit back with tariffs and Trump came back crawling on all fours, I guess you can call that win... and Greenland, take your meds honestly, you really need them, throw that piece of shit book in the fire, read the Bible, it's better for simple hill folk like you.
What a tragic case of TDS
@@arkgaharandan5881Look at this bot copy and pasting the same comment.
@@arkgaharandan5881oh, it's a joke. ha ha, you got me ✋🏻🗿🤚🏻
good one ha.
eventually we gamers are going to need to mine, just to game.
Completely missed the boat on that. If you mean literally going to work in mines, you may be right, but most of these gamers won't survive that kinda work. It's not a shot at them, its just truth.
Yeah that ship has sailed unfortuntely. It's how I paid for my 3090.