Spyderco "Factory Seconds" What You NEED To Know (PM2 / MAXAMET)
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- Опубликовано: 30 дек 2020
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One of every PM2 steel offering!? That’s going to be a journey but should be fun.
Jeff, Thanks for that info on the Notch. I love Spyderco and I did not Know That. Take Care And Hope you have a Happy New Year.
@@tyroneshoelaces9742 show me where to get a knife in Maxamet for the $79 that the seconds went for.
@@tyroneshoelaces9742 can you recommend me some gold knifes?
Both folders and fixed blades
Thanks for the video, and All the videos. I didn’t know the marking (or forgot) system, so good to know. Happy New Year!
I got one too. First real spyderco. I bought blindly and regret not getting a Para3 max.
I happened to catch the last factory seconds sale a couple of days ago. Unfortunately I didn't know about it until it was a couple hours in, so the website was getting hammered and things were going out of stock as quick as I could add them to my cart. I ended up picking up a few, most notably a Para 3 in Maxamet from $80. Good god I can't wait for it to arrive!
My PM2 Maxamet second had bad threading on the right-hand, tip-up screw holes. Aside from the notch on the spine, you’d never be able to tell
I managed to get a S45VN factory second :). I tried to nab a shaman, but both the rex 45 and s30v variant went within like 30 seconds.
Favorite knife of all time. Handsome look. Ergonomic feel. Solid lock up. Fun to flip. And easy to take apart and put back together all at a reasonable price what's not to like.
Easy to take apart are you kidding me?? You didn't struggle with the ridiculously embedded lanyard tube? And I'm not a fan of lanyard holes so it really pissed me off!!!
@@jimmycricket7946 yea but compared to some like the axis lock that's on the manix 2. That has a little roller ball that you have to fit in under pressure it's impossible in comparison
@@VMAFIA I wouldn't even attempt the manix. Changing the scales on my smock was a nightmare. Took me hours figuring out how to reassemble it.
I just got a digi camo factory second, second hand, the only thing he or I could tell was wrong was one of the pivot screws was a darker almost golden color. As soon as I got it in the mail. Flytanium scales backspacer and hardware kit. The only things factory is the blade pivot tube and liners. I had noticed the notch on the blade but wasnt sure what it was for until just now. Great information thanks.
No matter what any of us all can afford the different knife brands for our collections'; you share good information with our vast amount of brands in the last 12 to 15 years that have popped up in new designs and brand names! I wish all your family, friends, and you a happy new year with best of wishes. Can't wait to see your new years content to come. If you also get into throwing knives like the full tang knives, your channel will get more popular sirs. Happy holidays
Glad I was able to snag a few during the sale ... including a maxamet PM2. Lets see your PM2 collection soon Jeff!!!
Where do you find the factory seconds?
@@samweek4936 It is an annual sale, however with COVID this year it happened online for the first time. The sale is normally at the Golden, Colorado location. There is no information about whether it will be online next year or not, yet. The sale was only 2 days and is now over, but you can find them floating around in the secondary market. Hope this helps.
Love getting notifications on this channel, but then get mad due to being so early (only 360p)
i just scored a maxamet pm2 for a steal, when i bought it he said he has got no box -i checked the usual suspects - and figured it was the real deal - just found out by your video it is a factory seconds - which doesnt bother me - itll be a user - now i checkd the blade - and its waaaaay off, doesnt touch the scales - now i know why its a FS - thanks for the video.
I picked up the PM2 Maxamet from the 2nds sale, and the issues I had were the pocket clip screws were stripped and the grind was a little off by the choil. Other that that, it was perfect and has become my EDC. And All of the PM2s, aside from the Emerson, ship the the pocket clips in tip down configuration.
Same thing happened with me with the screws, call up Spyderco and they will send you a new set of screw and a little bottle of lock tite for free
Good stuff to know! Thanks
I really dig the PM2 Tanto in the black oxide finish or something other than the standard satin finish. My only problem is the $350+ price point.
I currently EDC a yojimbo2 and a yojumbo. Will definitely consider purchasing a factory 2nd PM2 Tanto if I can find one.
Is it possible that there are problems with the heat treatment of the second factory ?
I bought a Factory Second for my first Spyderco knife and I absolutely love it! I got a Para 3 lightweight and the blade material is etched out and It barely reads CPM S45VN when it's supposed to read CTS BD1N. Do you think it is actually s45vn or was it misprinted when it's supposed BD1N? I just got it and plan on calling Spyderco on Monday.
I got a Gerber last year for Christmas from knife center and out of the box it had up and down blade play. a chip in the blade and a roll... I wasn't too happy about it. but then figured its only a $30 knife i can use it to beat on at work. mind you it took a while to re-profile the blade to get the chip out.
Who
Your biggest problem was buying a Gerber.
could be a QC issue in the heat treat?
I have three Spyderco 2nd's that I got in the 90's through catalogs / mailers. Now I have to find them ( dig them out of storage ) and check them for the "Mark"
And sell to me
The factory second maxamet pm2 I got too had a small weld near the tang of the show side as a marker instead of the cut out notch which is annoying which I assume is another method they do. 8 out of my 10 spydercos are factory seconds and they're all perfectly usable!
thats interesting havent seen that before but thanks for the info
@@cutlerylover Oh shoot that might actually be the defect (along with it not being centered) I saw the notch just now hah because it's so close to the gimping and the smallest notch I've seen I legit didn't see it for a month.
@@malifor2210 that notch is actually there to identify it as a factory seconds so you can’t secondhand sell it as a first
My factory second maxamet para 3 is blade warped in the middle, two mm to the left.
Good luck finding the Elmax PM2 and the CTS-20cp PM2 or the CPM-D2 PM2 for sale at a reasonable price. Same goes for the CTS-XHP PM2, which sells for ridiculous prices on the secondary market. Even newer releases like the CPM-4v is easily going for 250$ on the secondary market. I too wanted to collect all the different PM2’s blade steel runs and realized after awhile it just wasn’t worth it. I eventually settled with a few favorites like my Cruwear, M390, XHP and M4. Good luck to you though.
happy newyear jeff
I have the pm2 with s30v and "blurple" scales. Couldn't love it more. Ive carried it ever since i got it until today when my 940 came in the mail
940 is king
@@bobbycarter5990 im happy that i finally decided to pull the trigger on it after 5 years
S30v in blurple?? I thought that only came in s110v?
Nice deal ☺️👍. Hopefully not the heat treatment. Did you ever find out why it's a second?
What is stopping someone from chamfering the whole spine to attempt to get rid of the marked area if they REALLY want that Spyderco Warranty? Just wondering.
Loved the video Jeff, keep up the great work and I hope ya have a Happy New Year.
since spyderco doesn't do that they would know and probably refuse service...
Not only no warranty, they won’t even touch them for service either. Even if you pay the normal repair fee. That’s extremely important to know too.
I just ordered a new one for $230 from Optics Planet. Eagerly awaiting its arrival.
I have a Sypderco Rubicon factory second, it's a great knife, a little bigger than my normal edc, only problem and what I assume makes it a second is the liner lock sticks sometimes, not enough to make it a problem though
Sometimes their knives sit in storage for so long they they are so "new" that it hasn't been broken in yet or maintained/oiled. The pm2 I got was barely openable but once I cleaned and oiled it it seems the reason it was a factory second was it's not centered and the grind might not be consistent.
That may be, I dont carry it much and figured I wouldn't but for for a third of the price being a 2nd there was no way I could pass it up,edc or not. It's a pretty cool knife
I bought a bunch from the factory seconds sale this year, and the only one I could find with a real flaw was the PM2, where I found 2 flaws. I'm not even sure it is a PM2 and not a PM3 as I've not owned either one and haven't gotten around to measuring to be sure yet. But the Shaman, Manix 2XL, 2 Yojimbos plain and black blade, and a Spyopera have looked flawless.
It is funny that you mentioned the clip, that PM I got had the clip on top as well. I discovered quickly why, one of the screwholes on the opposite end was stripped.
@@danieloshea3326 6 In total across 2 orders. I only missed out on a couple with all the problems the site had in capacity. The PM2 is the only one with real flaws and the chipped blade edge at the top is the only one I can't fix easily enough.
One of these Maxamet 2nds just went for $182.49 on eBay yesterday! The description explained no warranty, but I can't help thinking the bidders didn't understand what they were getting. I love my Max pm2s, but not that much
And now in 2022 that's a killer price lol.
Idk I got a s110v manix that prolly should have been a factory second. The first 1/4 inch from the tip back was extremely chiped
Do have a Bestech exploit?
I just bought one of these from a friend, cant really find anything wrong with mine either.... I was thinking you mentioned the heat treatment in the previous version... could the problem be that??
No. They wouldn’t even bother grinding the steel into a blade if the temper was off.
It looks like the plunge grind is screwed up. The line that is above "Maxamet" that goes through the SpydieHole is thicker/deeper than normal
Could it be a tempering problem? That wouldn't show up but it would make a huge difference in quality.
Why would they assemble the knives knowing the tempering is off?
I’ve never owned a Spyderco. The top ascetics bothered me. I disregarded the brand decades ago and never thought of them again. Then I seen one in use and the thumb stop that is the “ ugly “ I didn’t like become extremely functional. I prefer function over form. So now I’m considering one.
@ 6:40 - Third time you've repeated yourself and you're not even halfway through the video. No need for this video presentation to be over fifteen minutes long.
I was just about to say something similar.
I skipped from about ~4min to ~10min and heard essentialy the same spiel, then stopped the video.
This vid could have been cleaned up within 3 minutes. Glad I skipped 2/3 of the video.
the trend for youtube these days is to turn 3 minute video into a 15 minute repetitive diatribe
I always hunt on a Factory Seconds Factory Seconds. 99% finished. and much cheaper. if you buy a new 100%, after a week of wear, it will also have a scratch or something else in it.
Damn right! I ain't got ANY fakes!!! Just 2nd's 5th and 6th's..........
How do you get a factory second?
spyderco does a sale everfy year for them and they cna be found on various dealers sites on occasion, you cna ask this question on spydercos forum throguh their main website for more info
I didn't realize the one I just purchased on eBay was a factory second but they charged me $160.00. I didn't even know what a factory second was until I researched it.
Love maxamet. Best knife steel ive come across yet.
Thanks Jeff for your informative & entertaining content. Keep up the good work & wishing you the best of health & safety in the coming year.
MSRP is only $80?! How do you find a deal like that?
Figured out what’s wrong with it. It has a nick in the blade just above the jimping...
👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀
I have a PM2 Maxamet factory second as well. One of the screws on the clip is stripped but that’s all I’ve found. I’d be upset I could t switch to tip up carry if I paid full price with dealing with the bum screw but it was a deal so I’m still very happy.
Same thing happened with me, call up Spyderco and they will send you a new set of screw and a little bottle of lock tite for free
I personally already knew about the whole defects thing but it's really cool to hear your views and opinions, it's really cool man
I had no idea "factory 2nds" existed >_>
open up the knife to try to figure it out?
If I was trying to be a sneaky scumbag, I would try to do "custom jimping" to hide it
It wouldn’t matter then anyways because a modded knife is a knife with a voided warranty
@@tyroneshoelaces9742 what the heck are you talkn bout ;p
Very good info Jeff. Had no idea about the notch. Thanks.
Jeff thanks for covering this, I snagged a few seconds and have come across several on eBay that are not posted as such. Curious where you trade your knives? Trading sounds a lot cheaper than selling old knives to buy new ones lol. Happy Holiday!
I've bought many a blade (knife and even sword) under "scratch and dent" categories, for minor cosmetic blemishes as well as issues with blade/guard finishes (purely cosmetic), and come out with heavy discounts on functional, safe, yet slightly 'imperfect looking' items. One of my swords I saved over 50% (150$+) off because the D-Guard was slightly bent and not 'perfectly straight'...! IMO, that just gives it character.
Factory Seconds really aren't a bad way to go if you don't care too much about that sort of thing and aren't requiring perfection. The savings are real~ :)
Nice pickup. I love mine. I wish I could’ve taken advantage of the sale. I Reground my maxamet pm2 and will have it forever.
I didn’t know Spyderco was selling factory seconds ! Good to know, thanks for the info, cheers and happy new year !
Yeah it was a complete shit show. Their site kept going down was virtually impossible to get an order in.
You having any luck finding the bladehq satin M4? I have one and might be interested in trading.
Hey Jeff, just a “tip”, all PM2s ship (from spyderco) tip DOWN. Not sure why, but they do.
lol I usually get them second hand so thats explains it. :)
Eric explained that he has them that way because that is how he carries his PM2. The only PM2 that is shipped tip up is the Emerson Wave PM2
Spyder drop all models considered "self-defense" are tip down which is what Sal designed them to be.
The seconds sale is the week before Thanksgiving every year.
sypdercos are my favorite folders. However there is something off in every spyderco knife i own. In most cases the jimping isnt cut correctly and one or more ridges are missing or cut in half. Maby quality isnt that much of a concern when the knives go to europe.
Where did you get it from?
Happy new year Jeff 🎊🎉😁
I have a factory 2nd Parata. If I keep the lock engaged as I close the knife, the edge will slam into one of the standoffs. I dont know if they are all like that or not.
A few defects on my seconds but the value is so good!
Oh man! What an adventure it would be to pick up your order from their curb!
All of my PM2s came tip down...
Maybe Spyderco should send some of those QC guys over to Benchmade...
The only time a benchmade is worth buying imo is if inspect it in person even then..i've heard serious issues with omega springs breaking lately so until then i've been advoiding them.
@@Horde334 Shortly after receiving my 940-1 some years ago, both springs broke in short succession! Luckily Benchmade sent me replacement springs and a new pivot assembly (I also had issues with blade play). Since then, it’s been perfect, and its actually one of my most used knives. Benchmade makes some of the best knife designs out there, but they need to get their shit together when it comes to QC. I think the best knife Benchmade ever made was the anthem, with its coil-spring axis lock. Many Benchmade employees share that opinion. Sadly don’t have one.
Wow. I havnt had any issues. If you have blade play. Tighten pivot. I'f it ruins the action polish the washers or just use your knife a lot and it'l break in. Main thing I love about benchmade. If you have a 20 year old knife. Break the tip. They will take it in. Clean the fuck out of it. Replace anything that needs it. Replace/sharpen the blade and send it back for free. Not to many do that.
@@theknifeconnection9571 I tried everything I could, Im not an idiot. I should not have to fix such a problem in a multi-hundred dollar knife, these problems should habe been sorted out by QC in the first place. I have a mini grip that has pladeplay issues to this day. When tightening the pivot to the point of no-play, the blade will barely move at all! This is a very common issue in Benchmades, and not at all acceptable, no matter if fixable to not. Also, re-assembling Axis lock knives is an absolute nightmare! Im saying that as a watchmaker!
@@Olumin37 man it’s the nature of the axis lock. Many knives have a smidge of blade play with it. I haven’t had to do any of this. I have over 6 benchmade knives. But that’s what I’ve heard of people doing. The only thing I have had is slight lock stick. Which who cares. It’s not a big deal. In fact makes the lock stronger
I tried to load the site on 3 different phones when the sale was going on and tried for a long time but they wouldn’t load. Pretty bummed I didn’t get any good deals but hopefully I will when they do it again.
Jeffery- you need to get a blade ops exclusive PM2 Emerson! So awesome!
# Force The Vote
I didn’t know about the notch, cool to learn but I’ve bought all my Spyderco’s brand new
just got an ad 15 in the mail about 30 minutes cause of your videos, like it so far but we'll see how it goes
I like spyderco. I used to hate the design but the spyder's vemon got me
Spyderco's factory seconds sales are usually done in the parking lot at Spyderco's Golden Colorado factory/store, so if you don't live in colorado near Spyderco's facility there's no way you would be able to actually shop their seconds sale. Spyderco's recent factory seconds sale was their first-ever online seconds sale due to the Coviid19 pandemic, and that sale was an absolute cluster fuck!!! Why, because Spyderco's website usually never has any traffic at all because no one is buying knives directly from their website at full MSRP, and people either use BladeHQ or even Spyderco's App to look up specs on a Spyderco knife. So without beefing up their server/website at all, Spyderco then basically asked everyone in the entire knife/EDC community to log onto their website at the exact same time. Spyderco's website during their online seconds sale continuously timed out literally every two seconds and was impossible to use, if you were actually able to select a knife and move it into your shopping cart that knife was already completely sold out. Spyderco's online seconds sale was a complete shit show of epic proportions!!!! Also, Spyderco's response on Instagram about the issues with their online seconds sale really pissed me off!!!
maybe next time they will be better prepared but they did sell them all quick so im sure they will do it again
2 years later and it’s the same situation. It takes lots of persistence (reloading and reloading) and lots of time. It took me over 3 hours to finally get a pm2 Maxamet. I wanted the shaman but it went quick.
I'm also collecting pm2s lol, so far I have the digi/dlc s30v, waved s30v, s110v, BHQ m4, REC 204p, and I think that's it so far lol
How do you get spderco factory second?
I don't have a pm2 but I dropped it once and it got a notch in that same exact spot... Now I can never sell or trade it for anything near it's original price haha.
Where do you get factory seconds
Yeah first time hearing about factory seconds 🙄 good looking knife!
Yeah I should of got one of these. I never did. I need something in maxamet
got mine in s30v for only $53!! it has a couple nicks in the spine jimping, otherwise perfect knife
I got two and ones blade was so warped the tip tubs the liner
Listen if you are working at spyderco and they say "this tray of 20 incorrectly heat treated pm2s, go throw them away"
You are probably gonna pocket a couple of them and sell them 🤷♂️ I'd atleast tell the people I'm selling them to.
I'd prolly just keep em. Never sell any of my knives
the grind is too high, therefore you have a step in the spine of the blade.
probably the reason for making it factory second
What exactly are you talking about
It's a full flat grind... I'm as lost as the guy above me.
@@CadillacDriver
yes, and it ground a little bit too much, you can see that little step in the blade spine above the opening hole.
that should not be like that.
@@Argento261 looking at pics of the PM2, I see they all have that notch...
Lol I don't think they would care even if this wasn't on most. Because it makes it slightly thinner blade stock there.
I had NO IDEA about rhe WHOLE factoty.second thing. THANK YOU!!!!!
Purchased one as well and I'm NOT happy !!! Spyderco, you break my heart =(
@@tyroneshoelaces9742 Agreed !!!
I have one of the factory second archangels!
now I'm curious... they're worth a lot you say?
That actually has a D2 blade steel and was marked as having Maxamet.
Not likely, spyderco hasn't used D2 in years.
@@lexis831 lol I was joking
I sent in a Maxamet second and they wouldn't sharpen it either
LOOOOL wow damn sucks much....
Nice to know about that. I was wondering if even basic sharpening that spyderco would turn down seconds
My old lady is a factory second , not perfect , but good for E.D.C.. Just kidding....... Love Ya Hon.
Most factory 2nd maxamet pm2s I've seen in groups on Facebook are 2nds due to a warped blade
Yo my name's Shane too. But I wouldn't consider a warped blade safe
@@theknifeconnection9571 safe or not thats how a bunch of maxamet pm2s ended up being sold as 2nds
@@sh4n3om4c that’s insane. After warping. Steel. Can be much more brittle and break easier. Can’t believe they’re selling them that way. But they can’t be warped much or when you’d close the blade they would rub on the handles. There’s not a lot of room in there for a warped blade ??
There's enough of a warp to make it look like a blade centering problem, most people have found that the blade can't be centered do to it being a warped blade. I don't see it being a factor in the blade being more brittle than a non warped blade
@@sh4n3om4c I guess they are tiny blades. So most warping is very slight? I'm used to seeing my fixed blades warp a half inch during quench lol. Been a while tho
I know a guy that collects these the same way. I think he has just about all of em
Cold Steel deal is so saddening. I wanna get rid of all my knives from them
What happened
@@GOonTedgi they sold to gsm outdoors.
if you dont like the new stuff just dont buy more but it doesnt make much sense to get rid of their great knives :) Lynn just made a good business move thats all its not really "selling out" its making money which is why he started selling knives to begin with
@@cutlerylover yeah , I understand the business part ...and I still want a tanto machete.
@@Nick-lm5lz I feel like they will just appeal to a different market now cheaper steel cheaper quality but most important cheaper prices only time will tell
The pm2 comes tip down, so you aren't swapping it back, the original owner just left it as it came
Check out Frankie blades on IG. (I think that's his handle) Dude has a HUGE Pm2 collection
hey m8 if you still have have that 100k camera bag ill buy it off you
Hi I’m first
Hi, I'm second.
Hey Jeff I might have a rare spyderco paramilitary 2 up for trade if you're interested. I sent you a message on Instagram.
ok thanks
spyderco has a shitty warranty and bad qc. i can imagine how bad a second must be
ive had the opposite experience and this second seems fine cant find a single problem