Ep 4 - Not Afraid to be Afraid | Building a Guitar from 42,000 Year Old Wood!
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- Welcome to Crimson Guitars ruclips.net/user/CrimsonC.... In this episode, Ben is working on the soundboard.
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Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
0:52 Working on the soundboard - carving the bracing with a chisel
3:20 The bridge plate - glued and clamped.
6:45 Clamps off - but still not the sound Ben is after!
8:26 Filling the small cavities in order to get rid of the 'rattles' and 'shakes'
14:34 Preparing to glue the veneer
15:42 What would he do without masking tape?
17:10 Preparation and sanding to glue the soundboard to the rest of the body
19:53 Tackling the complicated clamping task - with a shelf and cling film!
21:27 On with the glue, and those brilliant Triton clamps
24:20 A few hours later -
26:41 Fixing a few gaps with dust and glue.
29:25 Conclusion and chat about Great Guitar Build Off
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7:11 I think that's the best coffee mug I've ever seen.
"This build is going on far longer than I thought it would"
You should get a personal t-shirt made up with that on it. 🤣
One-handed tape dispenser. Small efficiency tip from Driftwood. (June 2022 vid - six stewmac tools I use every day in my shop). Though I'm sure you can make an equivalent with a trip to Staples/WHSmiths.
Having lumped myself through our beautiful Kauri forests here in New Zealand, and seen the bog Kauri being air dried in places like Thames, its wonderful to see this stunning wood being turned into an instrument.
The smell of Kauri is like no other wood. It's deep richness fills the nasal passages with a warmth that's quite impossible to put into words. Having that richness fill your workshop as you masterfully encourage this lumber to take another form must be quite the sensory extravaganza.
"on with the glue..." Section, the stress levels, just in your breathing - maximum respect of your skills/expertise - I thoroughly doff my cranial augmentation to you sir!
I think this guitar will be up there with Nebulas. Coming together rather nicely, Ben. Well done.
This build is of great interest to me as I have many slabs of Australian Kauri from old church pews I purchased some years ago.
I was wanting to make a bass but unsure if it would be stiff enough.
Looking forward to the next episode to be uploaded.
Really enjoying this build, Ben. One of the things I love about your videos is, I never see you teaching unsafe habits. I was thinking about that while watching you carve braces. I’d love to know how many unscheduled amputations have occurred due to RUclips. You always teach safe methods with hand and power tools. Thanks!
Thank-you, all too often I do forget a dust mask or eye protection and feel bad when people pull me.up on that.. you're the first to say the opposite! 😀
I've heard of many people doing stupid things based on videos.. the worst was death as a result of trying fractal wood burning.. can you imagine being responsible for someone accidentally killing themselves!?! 😳
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars as someone who works in the tree industry. My biggest fear is not training someone well enough that they end up hurt or worse somewhere down the road. I've been really lucky that i haven't had too many accidents happen while working with others. I had one guy loose a pinky finger and another friend fall out of a tree and broke his back. Both were awful but could have been worse in my line of work. Keep up with all your hard work and education you do. We need more men like yourself keeping these skills alive.
9:46 I was so immersed in this I genuinely forgot I was watching a guitar being made, and when Ben said "guitar" it jolted me, I went from being immersed to being emersed just with the word guitar
When people write genuine, I always laugh my head off. Genuine is soooooo stupid, you have no idea at all.
@@voornaam3191 Why people write such stupid replies, I always laugh my head off. This is soooooo stupid, you genuinely have no idea at all.
@@voornaam3191 that's rather interesting, care to expand, I'm genuinely interested.
@@voornaam3191 Come on Susie Dent, don't be keeping all that wisdom to yourself, enlighten us
The figuring in that wood always blows my mind.
I absolutely love the black line around the top! Once there's some finish on it, this guitar is going to be spectacular indeed.
The level of creativity and craftsmanship is amazing. The procrastination and tangents par for the course. Love it!
I love watching this - it seems somewhere in-between an exact science and just pure experience and gut feel. Such tiny little details - but also weird and wonderful little techniques, like super glue and wood dust. The length of the video doesn't do justice to the amount of patience, effort and love going into this.
The skill is sublime. I struggle with a basic square box - here we have a complex shape requiring an exact fit.
This is the best channel on youtube.
Love the natural tool sounds, and the fact that we can hear them
Love this. Favourite series so far. It will look stunning when finished! And I also love how you are not afraid to show the difficulties. Wood expansion etc. Cant wait for the next one.
Any Ben I love the time building it’s fun
Arg! When is the next one? Keep close-mic'ing the processes so we can hear your fingers on the wood as you scrape, sand and detail things. It's lovely to hear.
As a Kiwi (and ex luthier) I'm enjoying the build so far, just had a thought and it's too late now obviously, but maybe if you build an identical model with the rest of the slab. Do your cavity routing and glue the top in before you cut your outer perimeter, that way the body won't 'spring' as there's plenty of timber around the cavity to keep it stable, then once the top is glued in, it won't go anywhere and you won't have to worry about gap filling.
And just for anybody's interest, the curl figure, when it's in a more open form like that (not the tight curl you would associate with maple for instance) is usually referred to as a "Whitebait" figure on Ancient Kauri "A trademark of the Ancient Kauri is white bait. White bait refers to the deep, shimmering streaks of iridescence found in some of the wilder grain patterns. This particular grain is named after schools of New Zealand whitebait fish that emit a similar pattern when swimming in one direction." - Source = nzforests.co.nz/ancient-kauri/
I'm really happy to be learning some new skills from you brother. This guitar is going to be epic. I will absolutely be using the inlaid top method on a future build. Thank you as always my friend. Peace & Love ✌️
Looking great Ben, cool that a thin bit of black trim can make a big difference. When you said "Lets get started shall we", I thought I saw fear in your eyes :) When I put the bridge plate in my acoustic GGBO build I never considered shrinkage (now I'm worried, thanks Ben) I cross grained it for strength because my top was thin at about 2mm.
Awesome to see this level of quality and attention to detail …
Wow,! The grain on this instrument is going to be amazing. Beautiful.
Man, that build is turning out freakin' AWESOME!!!!!
This build is comming together really nicely! I can't wait to see and hear the finished Guitar
Me too mate!
I am so enjoying this. It's also very therapeutic to watch.
This is inspiring my next guitar build... Very nice how the body sounded after gluing up!!
Silver wired pick-ups would be premium and bloody amazing.
I hope the Gordon Smith in the background is being used to develop a Crimson double-cut model. ;)
It's looking very cool! I've never seen any wood like it, the figuring is huge. And the wavy grain when you zoom in is interesting. Great to see you at the guitar show a few weeks ago. Cheers!
Shrinkage effects depend in part on the glue you're using.. If you're one of those staunch traditionalists who insist on hide glue or some other reversible, environment-sensitive non-permanent adhesive, then over time, the difference in shrinkage direction may separate the glue joint or raise the bridge, but a modern waterproof PVA will actually prevent the pieces from moving at all.. I personally like the idea of perpendicular plates to compensate for the weakness of the opposite grain direction.. Think of it as a 2-ply plywood..
Starting to look pretty awesome!
Man, the views really show people’s interest lately. I think most would rather see this kind of content than examining or rebuilding other manufacturer instruments. I appreciate the thought process behind it, but everyone’s here to see Ben do Ben shit. Period.
As always your work is mesmerizing!
Just rode in from the thimble clamp video of 5 years past. Fascinating to see the cam clamps here today. Bar cam clamps or whatever. Very interesting.
I'm glad you take the time to explain why you're stopping to continue the next day. I think a lot of creators skip through that and it might make for a breezy super satisfying type video but explaining breaks really grounds it in reality, as far as how much time and energy this process takes
I appreciate that!
Ben, have you decided what to do with the shavings? They looked cool behind the acrylic sheet. Could you cast them in clear resin.
It's a pleasure to watch the use of properly sharpened tools
Thank you, using sharp tools is a special pleasure all on its own
Can't help thinking that a guitar made from NZ woods should have 'Koru' shaped soundholes
Layers of alternating grain wood will be stronger. Almost always. This is why laminated necks are always more stable
Every time I hear the phrase 'Guitar world cup' on TV I'm transfixed! Sadly there aren't millions hooked on the guitar building passion- its something to do with kicking a bit of leather around on grass
But I managed to sneak a piece of flamed maple away from under Bens very eyes last week from the Crimson shop - the pressure to do justice to a magnificent piece of wood is something I can empathise with!
Okay, you motivated me. Time to stop procrastinating and go down to the workshop!
It's looking great
Really enjoying this build! My first thought to fill the small holes was to drill them to a consistent diameter and fill with brass rod! That could have looked really cool!
I hand cut sections of sterling silver to fill natural holes in a guitar I built a few years back.. was a total ball ache to do but well worth it! Maybe next time I use abalone?
This build is, again, incredible 😀
Cheers Romain, much appreciated!
Just noticed the Gordon Smith gs1 on the wall behind. Very nice!
Will be a luthiers tear down and Prize Draw on www.greatguitargiveaway.com too
A Ha! I thought so.....intro to XTC's sences working ovvertime at about 14.12.....not to bad at all actualy....well done. Good rendition sir!
Had a great time watching this video! Thanks for sharing
Glad you enjoyed it!
Ben, I absolutely love watching you and your creativity! I always learn a lot and get a lot of inspiration from you! One question though, have you ever completed a project in less time than you expected? It seems that you always mention that the build is taking longer than you expected! Lol
I always look forward to your next video.
Keep up the great work! Thanks!
It is coming along nicely Ben.
Cheers man, I'm enjoying this one!
on the bridge support, don't go parallel or perpendicular..... go diagonal.
No particular reason, just had some fresh coffee and feeling like a starting something. The build is looking awesome as always Ben, keep cracking.
Oooohhh! You diabolical genius 😆
...interesting...how about using two pieces for the bridge plate at half the thickness and laminating them together with the grain in opposite directions...?
This is going to sound so good 😃 dull d to dull b tap tone it's coming along
6:35 that would be a neat look for a guitar
In regards to wood. 1,000 year old Huon Pine / Lagarostrobos Podocarp (Tasmania) may sound better than 20 year old spruce. Any wood Mantel above 500 year old fireplace should do well. As long as it has been dry and free from rod, nearly any old wood will sound better than new timber. Instrument makers always seek old stock.
Imagine a hollowbody guitar with acrylic top filled with sawdust, just like at 6:30
Yes, yes, yes!
Side bar...
Manchester Gordon Smith GS1? I had one for some years, neck heavy but superb guitar. Replaced in 2002 with a Manchester Graduate 60 I still possess.
Mr. Ben it looks cool
"This build is going on far longer than I thought it would..." 😃
Ouch
I would have thought you might have put some harder species of wood in as the bridge plate such as a hard maple, or wenge, or even ebony to help strengthen the top. Also may have added some to either side of the pickup hole for something stronger to attach the pickup to.
Seems so easy to make guitars... You are the Jamie Olivier of the Luthiers.
What do you all think about this: When you add trim to an inlay the peaks (peninsulars) always fall short. I think the reason for this is that the peak (tip) has one layer of trim, but, there are 2 sides on the way up the peak. So, thats 2 thickness's of trim on the way up but only one thickness at the top. This has the effect of pushing the inlay back from the peak. So, when doing this trimmed inlay we probably need to cut the inlays what would initially appear to be too short. I hope that made sense.
That is so far looking great, I would still like to see you redo the twin neck that you have done that you can take a part 😉 but a 6 and 12 string
I am so in love with this build, I absolutely can't wait to hear how she feels and sounds. My god Ben, another killer piece.
Plywood is said to be more dimensionally stable because of the 90 degree rotations between layers. I think you're good to go.
Lovely stuff! Currently shaping a teardrop with Silver Quandong. This stuff looks far worse to work with.
Truly the "Dawn of Man" guitar, forty-two millennia in the making.
I'm loving how the YECs have come out of the woodwork now, someone must have told them about a video purporting to show wood that's 7 times older than they think the whole universe is.
It's frankly hilarious.
Yeah. The law of unintended consequences! I truly didn't expect all the bullshit 😞
Ben, have you ever considered building one of those guitar harp hybrid thingies.
Unless you wanted to build the LOTR elf guitar first and you were keeping the guitar harp hybrid thingy for afterwards.
Or blend the two !!!! 🤔
I wonder if wrapping the guitar with cord might have provided some lateral force as well as giving the pressure required for the top during that glue-up.
Absolutely love your videos, Ben. Your technique, attention to detail and overall love for the craft are inspiring.
Enjoying this build, BUT want to see the end of the travel build AND something about Ben's GGBO 2022 entry
Travel guitar coming soon. GGBO - not sure. DC
Ha! You bought a Gordon-Smith GS-1! Should have got one with the one piece maple neck, but still cool! I have 3 G-S models; love ‘em!
A very cool.period in our guitar building history in the UK. V cool guitars
I hope the plan is to bind the f hole to match the purfling
I am seriously considering it
Ben, it'd be cool to keep saving the shavings and make another guitar, same shape as this but with a clear top.
How much more shrinkage do you expect from 42,000 year old wood? Movement maybe, after being carved? And wouldn't you want to use a hardwood for the bridgeplate?
The attention to detail and the thought process going in to every single stroke is truly magical!!
Thank you Lucas
Looks good so far though gotta say I'd rather see it with no backplate at all.
Loving this build Ben, what is the guitar hanging behind you, just to the right of the acousta sonic?
I'm wondering why you didn't glue the top on top instead of making a recess. All acoustic, hollow-body and semi-hollow-body guitars I've seen do it the other way.
nobody: ...
Ben: giving all of us "the finger" at 28:24.
sly bugger
Re. the question of grain direction for the bridge plate, can shrinkage issues be mitigated by installing the plate with the grain at 45 degrees to the top's grain?
Any thoughts on a bridge plate made of layered wood and carbon fiber?
Cool you wore your Freddy Krueger shirt during this vid.
Hi Ben, I really enjoyed this video. I was wondering, like some others, why is filling imperfections in the back of the body not as important as the top? Does the back not contribute so much to the resonance of a guitar in the playing position, or is it just a bit thicker?
This will be an outstanding build, for sure. But! I don't understand the "veneer trick". Why?! I mean... no veneer at first, glue everything, router (or tiny chiesel), purfling... no gap, and perfect line...
Never having attempted to build or even play a guitar. Seems to me that having the grain on the bridge plate perpendicular to the top, while stronger overall. Would mean that the string holes will all be in line with the grain of the plate. Hence in its weakest position. Why couldn’t you place the grain of the beige plate at an angle to get a happy medium?
Did you say on a live stream you were going to shield paint the inside before glueing the top on? Or did I just imagine it lol
Who would have guessed that this build is taking longer than expected? (LOL)
So there was zero reason to do any filling of the holes in the back of the guitar? That just struck me as a little odd based on the detail going on the rest of the guitar.
While I love the single ply perfling - I wonder if a 3-layer black-white-black may have looked better.
Can't wait to see what this looks like with a bit of finish on it.
Come on Ben start sharpening your tools on a bench grinder like Jerry does from Rosa string works lol 😆 the man's a fool....
Would a carbon fibre bridge plate solve the issue of shrinkage? If so, at what cost to the finished guitar?
* Not cost in £ that is not relevant in this case, I mean any downside haha
Ben, have You tried Isinglass (Sturgeon) Glue, in my past life I've repaired old furiture (veneer, marquetry, cracks) with this natural bonding material!
Not yet.. But I'm looking into it. Thanks for the tip
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars Take a look at this Tom Woodford film: ruclips.net/video/4UBgNkG9D5s/видео.html
Yo dude, why not make a hollow body electric guitar with a perspex top/front, with those shavings loose in the cavities, they might 'move with the music'???
Maybe you should have kept the bridge plate edges a millimeter or so from the braces? I would assume that , being a larger surface, a top is going to move much more and if it shrinks it could crack/unglue the braces?
The bridge plate and the part of the top glued to the bridge plate will move the exact same amount, as long as the grain is going the same direction.
Loving this build Ben but one question... What's happened to the kits on the website?
Sorry. We will no longer making kit guitars, however, we will complete all orders that we currently have. Then we will be moving those staff towards building white label guitars for other manufacturers and our own brand instruments. Ben
Hello Ben.. haven't commented in a while...Is that the way violins an cello's purfling is done...I've always have been curious about that
Use these Shavings in a resin body for next one?
Yep. It will be a prize draw for charity too
For the Bridge plate; 2 X thinner plates glued on top of each other at 90deg to the grain- would that contain the disproportional shrinkage? Maybe too much work?
Too much work!?! I don't understand these words lol. 😕 I do agree a little artisinal ply could well be the solution here.. or carbon fibre! 😀
Is there an episode 5 coming?
Ben, just curious where were you planning to install the strap buttons?
Standard positions, I may end up using threaded inserts for a bit more stability but the sides are thick enough to take it imo
Hi Ben.
Am I alone in wondering where the neck pocket is going to go?