Nissan Leaf Muxsan Battery Upgrade
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- Today James is with Matt, owner of Cleevely Electric Vehicles, and they're fitting the much sought after Muxsan battery upgrade to a 30kWh Nissan Leaf with a degraded battery pack. This particular vehicle is a taxi and has covered 94k miles. Naturally, the owner needs the maximum range to help with work, but doesn't want the expense of buying a newer vehicle, so hopefully this option will see them through another 100k miles.
Just realized I watched the end result of your hard work but didn't respond publically yet. Great effort, and great video guys! You've gone above and beyond with the installation quality, even going so far as to loom tape the cable ends and splice area. Immaculate installation. Also fun to see a fair number of MUXSAN customers have already found this video. And yeah, the first install takes ages - after a few tries you'll do the lot in 4-6 hours though!
Glad you enjoyed it and glad you're happy with the installation. Looking forward to doing a few more 👍🏻
15:55 if it was hard Work... give it up... if you do everything hard ... then better dont do anything and go home... do it joyfuly loveingly 1000% Commitment... hows about that?!?! Never mind Guys good job and i see the Passion - love evs...
Hi James, for your Irish fans, we offer the same service in Kildare, Range Therapy. We were the first partner of Muxsan. We expect to work with Muxsan to offer range extenders for many more EVS, cars and vans. Eamon
Hi Eamon, hope you're well. Great news, the more of us doing this type of work, the better.
Will these range extenders be available for other cars? Like an ioniq 28kwh?
@@davidpalen04 yes other car battery extension kits are under R&D. Mitsubishi, Renault, Peugeot and Citroën are currently top of list. Hopefully Hyundai will follow. Eamon
is possible to upgrade a 2018 40kw Leaf to 60 or more kw?
@@francescoderosa9113 yes, it is possible to do this in two ways - add an 18kw extension pack to your Leaf giving 58kw or purchase a 60kw Leaf pack from a crashed Lesf and swap the pack with your 40kw one.
Lovely job gents. The extra space in the gen2 from the flater pack is really nice. Great that there is a uk mainland muxsan outpost now. Congrats Matt and James
I think it's great to see the extending of the leaf life cycle. Incredible work guys. I wish every success in this service.
I just love this! You Brits are so far ahead of us here in the USA. I would love to do this to my GEN 5 LEAF + to get my range above 300 miles on a charge.
But a real car like the Bolt and 300+miles is just about 20kw more in the trunk.
@@michaelcastro5339 The Bolt is a real car? with 55KW charging? I don't have anything against them, but, the the slow charging is pretty substandard. Adding range to a Bolt seems like a case of diminishing returns because you're just going to have to stop longer.
@@JimBronson my post was from 3 years ago, it made sense back then when most non teslas didn't have high speed charging... So adding enough batteries so you could ride all day was a good idea.
Excellent work, James and Matt! Looks like it was quite a quest to do the first one, like you said, but the result speaks for itself.
Cracking job!
Very nice work! I made a similar mod to my 2014 Leaf, using the videos that Muxsan graciously provided here on RUclips. Your install is very clean and I know your customer will absolutely love this, my mod has made my car a totally different vehicle, its actually just about as useable as an ICE car at a fraction of the cost! Thanks for sharing your install :)
What a neat finish. Great job James & Matt. Thanks for sharing a very informative and visual video. I am definitely interested in exploiting this option for my wife's 30 kWh Leaf. Looked like a challenging but rewarding project! I think this will generate a lot of interest and extend the life of many Nissan Leaf's - great for the EV community and the planet. Qudos :-)
Good Job. Just sold my 2013 Leaf, which I drove the last 7 years. Went for the insane Honda e (don't need a higher range). The Leaf is/was the most reliable car ever. Just no nothing to complain about, didn't need any maintenace at all. After 7 years everything was still working like on the first day. Okay I lost one bar on the SOH-meter.
You only lost one bar in 7 years 😮
@@luluwilson7983 Yes only one bar in 7 years. But I drove only about 45000km in that time.
@@LambdaHalbe I lost the first bar at 111,000km...
Another brilliant video. Down to the last bit. Hopefully this will adopted by the EV users all all around the world and end range anxiety issues! well done guys!
Awesome! 168 miles with a partially degraded original battery! I know it’s the GOM being optimistic but still!
wow amazing.
2020 leaf owner here from sweden.
if we ever need work on our leaf i'll drive to you and let you sort it for us.
fantastic job
Nice work guys! Top job. The CAN bridge is the small but very clever part of all this. I think Matt is going to be very busy!
I enjoyed the video, thanks. I’m in the US and a proud owner of a 2015 Nissan Leaf with 11 bars remaining. The leaf is my daily driver and I commute 50 miles per day at speeds of 70-75 MPH. The only reason I purchased the car was to save fuel cost. For me that cost was 2880 per year for work commute only. My leaf has become my everything car. I wanted to hear some general prices just to gage if the extender is worth the cost .
Actually a really good idea at the moment.
Get a 62kwh Leaf and add the 33kwh trunk battery if you do a lot of long range driving.
Which other car could you get for the price with a 95kwh battery?
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Great fit and hopefully you get lots of leaf owners excited 😛
Nice work! A very comprehensive kit from Muxsan and a very tidy job.👍
Nice to see someone in the UK doing this now I have a 2013 leaf and will need the range increasing within a year now I know where to go
Wouldn't it be cheaper to buy an ev with greater range?
@@MichaelWilliams-mo1vv depends on how much it costs and would be a shame to scrap a car if it only needs a battery
@@MichaelWilliams-mo1vv A 40kWh battery upgrade from Muxsan is 8790 EUR, much half the cost of a 2nd hand 40kWh LEAF
Must have been an amazing experience for you. My wife wouldn't tolerate the loss of boot space no matter how amazing it is to get more range. What's great about these upgrades is it breathes new life into an old car, and means it can stay on the road for longer. Would be cool to see an upgrade of the main battery to deal with the degradation, I know muxsan offer that but for the price better off selling the Leaf and getting a newer one? The muxsan warranty is 2 years, and promises 90% life after that. For the price I'd hope for a longer warranty really.
had no idea this was now available in the uk! what an amazing job and attention to detail, will definitely be looking at your website
That is a great idea having something like that for all the Nissan Leafs. If that comes here to Canada, this is something I should go for no matter what used Nissan Leaf I get. Even they are great for Toyota Priuses and Chevy Volts.
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Amazing Job guys what sort of price are we looking at? Including the kit and fitting?
I’m very glad Matt was happy all-throughout.
Laughed at the pictogram on the battery pack about not throwing it in the trash. But it is actually probably necessary. Cheers.
I bet someone is now thinking of extending the 62 Kwh New Leaf for mega miles. LOL
This would be so amazing for an eGolf or a B250e lol hint hint 😆😆🙏🏿 great job!!
Good thing they used the same colors for positive and negative when polarity is so important
It's due to color marking of cables under high voltage. You can have red and black or marked with numbers but on the top it must be orange because they are always under voltage.
@@ladislavnagy2665 very interesting, thank you for explaining.
That rear end weight must affect the handling somewhat, and it will increase tyre wear. But the additional 20-30kWh will be really useful.
The customer feedback has said there is no real difference with the added weight.
The leaf isn't exactly a sports car, but the weight will eat into your weight carrying capacity.
@@Jamesandkate Great to hear! Thanks for the reply. That will give the 24kWh and 30kWh Leaf models a new lease of life.
To be fair, for a Nissan / Renault product I'm always pleasantly surprised to see how clean these old LEAFs are underneath.
Great video 👌 couple of questions 1. What size is the extender battery? 2. How much this the kit? 3. Was there any additional work associated with the BMU? Thanks
Those are some good questions but nobody answered you that sucks. We just got a 2017 Kia soul ev and I would love to update the battery to go further.
Beautiful job guys... well done 👋😎👋😎👋😎
Thank you 😁
Brilliant work guys. Glad you can give a boost to ageing 1st gen battery powered Leafs!
This is brilliant to see James and Matt.
One conversion id like to see is a chadamo fit to a MB 250e ?
Not CCS, Jonathan?
Chademo for the win
There is a kit available in the US to add Chademo to the MB 250e (JDEMO FOR THE MERCEDES B-CLASS ED AND B250E by QuickChargePower)
@@cms1104 yes i know , id just like to see a uk ev garage install one 😀
I trust you have a B250e as well? I absolutely love mine!
Really interesting vid. I have a Tesla MX and have always fancied the Leaf as a second car, even more now i have seen it with a range extender.
What a coincidence. just finished watching Mr EV Andrew Till's John O'Groats trip and he visited Matts shop too as he's an old mate of his
We went to school together! Weird we have both ended-up in the EV world, he is a top guy.
It’s really good to see this being done in the UK now. Muxsan have worked hard to get this right and it’s great that they’re allowing others to install their kit. I’m aiming to get this done by next October half term (only one more winter with no heating on the daily commute). Do the additional cells appear in leaf spy? Are you installing the ‘tow bars’ as well (aka bike rack holders)?
Great job! That looks like a lot of work and I'm shocked that the original battery only lasted 100k miles. Hopefully battery longevity will improve in the near future.
The original battery is still in the car.
@@gimmepowder You are right, I misunderstood that this was a range extension pack, but my original point still stands. The original battery degraded in 7 years &
@@hermanwooster8944 The issue was no liquid battery cooling.
Just started looking at getting a leaf today, first for me. From r/c cars I already knew this would work and wanted to piece together a kit. Thanks for the tutorial and show. Liked and subscribed for hear on out. But after I get one I'm going to want more horse power or kilowatts for Europe. I'll be looking through videos for that and what I might need.
Car body looks as new. V impressive should be good for years.
I’d be really interested to see what the mileage would be if you put a refurb 40kwh battery AND the muxsan kit in?? What do you think?
Great content keep up these brilliant videos
Have you done a range extender and a 40Kw battery pack conversion?
Looks a great job. I can live with a 168mile leaf.
Excellent video and end result. Towards the end of the video as you were wrapping up there was a fairly large Nag dialog [with a spanner..] on the SatNav unit and possibly a warning lamp on the dash. Were you able to clear these [if they existed in the first place]?
The comedy of forgetting the voltage level of the two battery really made me laugh, and gave a great deal of confidence... There was no talk of any BMS on the extender pack... which I think is going to be a problem ? So I'm still not sure just adding an extender in parrellel with no BMS is a very good idea ? OK looking at the muxsan website they do seem to have thermal managment and bms, but I love to know how the connect and disconnect and the auto management of this in the future is done if for somereason the V's get out of sync ?
It not just good but also neatly done. well done.
I hope Muxsan expand their kits to include other EVs such as my Kia Soul EV... (pre-2020)...
Great video James. I really would like to do more DIY Ev projects myself. Thanks for the inspiration.
That looks like an amazing kit well installed, BUT in the event of a medium to hard rear end collision, those batteries have nowhere to go but through the rear seat passengers.
Yes it is all bolted down, but over the crumple zone.
If I had a leaf I'd go for it, as got no kids and rarely have rear seat passengers.
I can see an unfortunate situation ahead, potentially having huge legal implications for the kit developer and the firms that install it.
I'd think it best to concentrate on OEM battery swaps/upgrades and maybe newer tech batteries that could replace cells in the existing enclosure.
This looks like an excellent kit from Muxsan. It seems they've thought of everything and the end result looks really neat . Well done Muxsan (and James and Matt!) What is the cost of the upgrade?
€6000 supplied and fitted
Think cleeverly have said about £6250
@@simonhenry7867 you can have 40kwh installed instead and free space in a trunk for 8k, not much of the point in those muxsans IMO
@@paulf3353 yeah but.
1)it more expensive
2)it has rapid charger issues.
3)40kwh packs are rare..thus 1
@@simonhenry7867 1. It is only 1k more expensive or even the same if you sell old pack yourself. 2. Proof link that Muxans doesn't have charging issues? In the UK climate it is not a big of a deal IMO. 3) But they're genuine vs who knows what's in Muxans. Also, does muxan doesn't upgrade the suspension and all that load goes on existing one. In addition to that legality is a big question as you're making car modification + increased car weight. As I said earlier those swaps doesn't really make much financial sense (unless DIY'd), as you can get 40kwh leaf with low milage for as low as 14kGBP. For that price, you're getting a newer car with everything newer.
Thank you.
Very helpful information indeed :-).
How big was the extender? Assuming it was the 17kwh one?
I’m concerned about the zip ties holding up the wires. Zip ties are great for short term. But they do eventually break down.
Would have preferred using a rust resistant U bracket. With rust resistant screws. Just a thought.🤷🏼♂️
The range displayed immediately after the installation on leaf is not correct. Because leaf only changes the capacity of the battery onboard but not taking the extra weight of the additional battery pack into account. The range should be reliable after a few cycles of run.
What could possibly go wrong? Electricity takes no prisoners.
Big question is charging. Doubles the battery but has the same charging rate. For a taxi that is parked overnight this makes sense because you can see it being driven locally but over long total distances but with a very predictable charging schedule. For actually out of town journeys it makes less sense because it doesn't have rapid charging and the utility of the added range is questionable.
I keep thinking about vehicles with modular battery/seating where passenger space and battery packs are interchangeable so if you are one up you can load three battery modules for added range. A lot of car design would need to change for that to happen of course. If batteries were to get lighter or more energy dense in terms of weight and volume it would help but then again, the whole question of range might become moot.
You can pick up a 2017 Leaf with low mileage for about $10k here in the US and I see that as a real deal if its range fits your needs.
What would be the cost of just replacing the battery with the highest capacity leaf battery that will fit. Surely that should be a cheaper and easier option. The problem I see in the future is having to buy battery packs from original manufacturers, ie, a monopoly.
the spinal tap of EV "eleven bars".
very good execution, the only problem is the final price. too high compared to a new car
Very impressive and a tidy job all round.
Thanks
What a great video. I still have a fondness for my 2011 Leaf which is now in the hands of my eldest son. Not sure I would do the same but all very interesting and will you be doing a follow up on this one to judge the handling etc?
Most interesting video. Have you done a cost comparison between the Muxsan kit including installation vs trading in the Leaf for another car with more range?
Brilliant sorry if someone asked before but with it fully charged what was the estimated miles now.
I have a 2020 MG zs ev, I wondered if anyone is doing the same thing for the MG, it would appear there is plenty of room in the boot for more batteries, and would be great to extend the range.
I bet they were told not to mention the build of the additional battery pack
So, please tell us total £ for us to get head around this exercise?
Go to muxsan site , lots of options, does not include labour.
It's an expensive kit to import, but we can supply and fit the kit, including 17.6kWh battery and uprated springs etc, for £6250 inc vat.
not disputing the work you are doing but that is more than this car is worth probably? nice to see some leaf vids though
@@mattcleevely8794 I would love to see that added to a Plus model.
Hi @Matt Cleevely, do you supply and install the 8.8kwh pack? We have a 2011, 24kwh leaf that desperately needs some extra range!
Have you taken into account the safety if the car is read-ended? I think that battery is not as well protected as the original one in the case of an accident and it could create a fire easier, right? Or have you taken some measures to avoid that? Good job in any case!
Every cell is fused, so in an impact it would isolate to cell level.
Great content. Very interesting.
Great effort! Well done....
Basically, you are switching the "Can bus" and "HV ports" via relays for each battery. Correct?
In that case, don't you need to pair the batteries whenever you change the battery to battery?
Otherwise, the new battery and the old are working together? In that case, the onboard charger is capable to charge both?
Top job lads what's the price of that run at fitted ?
What batteries are you using? Great add and great video.
Great video, Thanks Guys.
I thought it took up a lot of the boot but tbh you could still fit shopping and a buggy in there.
Great job!
Would you reset the 11 bars to 12 at this point?
so it was a 30Kw, and is now a... Kw? I understand there are 2 sizes of Muxam upgrades, is this the larger one?
Indeed. It's up to approx 45 now
@@Jamesandkate Usable?
Hello There, a great Video and I presume you get around 70 extra miles on top with the range extender and which range extender did you use? Cheers Peter McCleery
whilst this would up the range, it doesn't stop the Leaf charging at outdated and rapidly uncommon chargers around here, Type-1 have been near impossible to find for years, and CHAdeMO are getting harder everyfew months. if MUXSAN has a Tye-2 or CCS upgrade, that'd be interesting
We just charge our leaf with a Type 1 to Type 2 cable. Works fine.
@@realflashuk and the public type-2 chargers without sockets just cables? you have to buy and carry around another adaptor a faff.
I'm not saying it cant be done, I know 2 people with 24kWh and 30kWh leafs and they still love them, but they're getting more of a hassle to charge when leaving the town (one of them doesn't even have CHAdeMO)
Great Video, I cant help but wonder thinking that this all seems very time intensive, mechanic charges from £60 -£80 per hour how much is a bespoke EV mechanic going to charge? £100? plus VAT? add the cost of the pack. What is the all in cost? I fail to see how it is a viable option.
It wasn't cheap, admittedly. However, for a Taxi, it means it's on the road with better range and charging with not having to buy a decent sub 5 year old car.
Nice work and great video. After viewing the entire video, I was wondering if the same time and money could have been put into placing the latest generation stock battery pack in from a wrecked car. I don't know what size and compatibility issues would exist, but at least the entire battery would be of approximately the same state of charge. I never mix old and new batteries on any electronics whether it be alkaline, NiMh, or lithium. Keep up the good work and we are still all interested in the approximate cost of the project.
Next video is exactly that 👍🏻
@James and Kate - great video, can you disclose your Nissan Leaf batter supplier's website, Manufacturer Part Number, any wholesale warehouse options to make a purchase for the battery upgrade, and any possible discounts for doing the battery update beside personal benefits as the owner with getting more drive time per charge....? THANK YOU for the great video and information as well, keep up the good work and videos.
Thanks for doing this video; so many people are talking about muxsan conversions and wanted to see some evidence, so this is perfect. Is Cleevely doing ENV200 extended batteries, and/or 24 to 40 kWh conversions for the van; I want my van done and don't want to drive to Holland?! Thanks.
Certainly are
A product like this for some of the phev's would be great! 28 miles from a mitsubishi outlander is rubbish, up that to 50 or so would be ideal.
They're working on the PHEV
Certainly seems like a sensible way forward for those of us on a budget. And the Outlander looks like an ideal candidate since there are lots around at fairly good prices.
Is there a shop here in the US that does the kind of work you do? I've looked and not come up with anyone, anywhere.
A taxi with little boot space.. humm a bit pointless. Great conversion by the way.
Do you think someone will ever hack an e-Golf for something like this or maybe have extender packs installed in the massive gap under the Boot on the underside of the car. I bet a good 5-10kwh would fit under there without interfering with the boot space
Clever stuff ,butwhy not upgrade to 40 or 62 kwh battery instead? Not having a pop just curious.
This is like 15 years ago those Prius EV conversions! I'm happy my daily drive (work etc) is only less than 30km ~ 20 miles, so I use about 100 kWh / month (3-4kWh/day) so my PHV is just ok. How people need to drive so madly hours/day? (carry massive batterys?)
bigger battery means having to charge less- handy if you rely on charging stations and have no where to charge at home... also gives you more range between 20% and 70% (i have been told you should keep battery below 70% and above 20% for maximum life span- not sure how true that is though)..
@@iainansell5930 Less efficient and cars weighing 4500-5200+ pounds are going to eat tires like mad.
So, can you do level three charging and will the extender charge right along with the main battery?
Also, do you know anyone in the western US who does this upgrade?
Great video!
Hi, how about extender battery cooling system?
Excellent point
Great vid guys, what is the charging speed now?
How does the cost of this range extender compare to the the 65kw kits available from China? Would they give you the same increase in range?
So this was an original 30kwh leaf, how many khw did you add? Another 24? Sorry if I missed that.
I'd assume so. It was probably at 90 or so miles to a charge at around 85% (11 bars)
The extra 24 would add about 80 or so miles so it seems about right to me.
It's 8.8 or 17.6kwh - the latter almost doubles your range in case of '24kwh' version. My 2014 Leaf with 11bars goes 250km on a charge, summer conditions, 100kmh on speedometer
17.6
CaptainProton1 yes, with 17.6kwh muxsan extender in the trunk on a pancake-flat Dutch highway. Give me that long downhill and I will do it on half-charge 😉
CaptainProton1 and I guess you meant A/C instead of heating, but Dutch summer don't require that either
could you do a video on why you stopped and the problems you encountered and whether you will start doing them again ?
Very interesting to see James. Does it charge any faster on a rapid charger now?
It should charge at higher speeds for longer
@@PlanetCypher_ given it's a 30kwh leaf, those charge at full speed all the way up to 80% anyway.
Great content james 🤙. Very interesting. Would be interested to see the real world figures, and also, off setting the costs compared to part exchange and buying a new model . But i would of thought , its the ideal conversion, for a work tool its paying for itself.
Keep an eye out, there more to come with exactly this 👍🏻
Very interesting vid real stuff.
Awesome, how much would something like this cost?
Vers nice! I like it! Good job
I have a 2015 Leaf. Would love to extend the range on it. I wonder if you'd like to use it for an upcoming demo video? :P
I didn't understand many of the technical terms even though I went to cam bridge.
I jumped off the cam bridge and it hurt a bit.
can't wait till someone builds a superleaf with 62kWh and this battery upgrade. i mean that would go reasonably far, wouldn't it? it would take like 5 nights to charge on night tarrif it if it only had a 3.3kW inverter.