"3 BODY PROBLEM" EXPLAINED: EPISODE 8 (SPOILERS)
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I heard a philosophy professor argue that humour was our greatest intellectual achievment as a species. The reason being, you have to use all of your mind to understand and 'get' a joke. The rational side of the brain understands how the world should work/function. The abstract side pictures the scenario being depicted in the joke. The brain then figures out how and why the abstract world of the joke differs from the real world and we react in an instictive way with an animal like sound, a laugh. From our most primal brain function to our highest, all are engaged when listening to and finding a joke funny. Amazing when you think about it.
agree it also just mathematically makes sense too, it justifies counting to infinity despite there being no end.
@@davidlean1060 jokes are incomprehensibly personal to everyone, jokes are the only moral justification that life needs for the creation of wormholes. a task that was believed to be impossible without massive destruction was actually very simple, and it was done without technology. jokes have infinite potential energy.
So the idea behind building a base on the moon is that they can't be everywhere at once and it'd take them a few second to travel to the moon which means that if everyone is running experiments at the same time they can't mess up everyone's results.The main thing they are afraid of is that human techonogy will surpass theirs before they show up.
"I would run through a wall for Clarence"
One might say you would be some sort of a breaker of walls. A Wallbreaker, even.
As a non book reader, I love your videos, and I love that you are able to speculate and come up with your own ideas still. I like getting to know what everyone thinks, and it looks like book readers like getting to watch us experience it blind. I hope you wait to read the books 😊
What an unexpectedly great show! Haven't read the books so i went in blind and was hooked! Thinking of picking up the books now. Thanks for the videos on each episode. I watched them after watching each episode of the season. Looking forward to both season 2 as well as your videos on it 🙏
The audio books are a good options.
I really need this show to go mainstream so netflix commits to completing the series.
Another note on the Dark Forest is that humanity was actually lucky that the people who heard Humanity's message were the San Ti, who actually wanted to invade. There are far worse and far more powerful aliens out there. As powerful as the San Ti are, they are small fish in a very VERY big ocean. For context, the Kardichev scale for civilization development, humanity is currently roughly a 0.6, the San Ti are a 1.8, the scale goes up to 4.
Scale explanation: 0 - Civilization that can't harness energy. // 1 - A civilization that harnesses all the power from their planet // 2 - A civilization that can harness all power from their star // 3 - A civilization that can harness all power from their galaxy // 4 - A civilization that can harness all power from their universe
I don't think the staircase fail was real. San Ti don't get lies. They put on a show to make them think it failed. Then they do it for real in silence.
oooo I didnt even think of that, that's a great theory
@@jamesdewayne
This does seem very likely.
Wade is a sneaky person.
Why do you think they wanted it to fail?
But the San-ti are not against it, they want it to succeed because we're basically handing them a human brain. They can easily sabotage it, but your theory might have some truth in it
@MishelFayad Yes but this was a secondary test to see if they can successfully pull off a covert operation. Without them knowing. My guess is that it's revealed later to the San Ti and then that almost most definitely will make them capture the human brain because then they KNOW they have weakness against humans.
I’ve been binging your series today. So glad you dropped s8
I knew absolutely nothing about this & went in blind. Best show I've seen in ages. Im now reading up on all sorts of the 3 body problem, chaos theory, fermi paradox & more. I was never interested in physics in school & I'm dire at maths. Its never too late to learn stuff.
I've also ordered the books & I'm trying to resist watching the full version on Prime as my eyes are bad & its all subtitles.
Great show. Episode 5 was just wow!!
Thank you for being professional enough to so graciously acknowledge your mistake and for being caring enough to fix it 🔥💯
I'm just happy non book readers are finding the story interesting and enjoying it as much as i do and did reading the books.
I think you should stick to this script! I like when we don’t need book readers to ruin theories! We love these breakdowns, keep ‘em coming!
I think you're right. appreciate it fr 🙌
So essentially the world government appoints three Philosopher Kings, one who refuses to be a King.
Love your videos, even when you don’t get stuff quite right the first time. I read the first book in anticipation of the series and was glad I did. It’s soooo good. I’m halfway through the second book now.
It’s wild how they reveal a lot of things so early on in the show. For example in the book we don’t find out why “Saul” was chosen (because of the car crash assassination attempt) until about 8 years later, halfway into the second book!
thank u !! and I knew the timeline was condensed but 8 years?? jeez. do you think season 2 would be better based on the books ?👀
*Me watching all these videos despite not having seen the actual show* Hm, interesting…
oh you would love this show
2:15 😂
glad someone found that funny lol
“I may have condemned Earth to an invasion by technologically superior aliens - I better call Saul!”
CORRECTION: The San-ti cannot control cars and machines, but those recruited by them here can.
Their power (sophons) is at the micro (particle) level and not the macro.
oh okay gotcha. the san ti got someone to hack into the cars for them - correct ?
Exactly!
The pro-Santi human "army" is a reality yet to be discovered.
@jamesdewaye yes @alexandreferraro is correct about the Trisolarans ( Santi, as Netflix refers to them ). The Trisolarans used the ETO to hack the vehicles that crashed.
One massive spoiler is what the Trisolarans actually look like ? I wouldn’t spoil it here for u but do some digging
( Micro/ Macro 🤔 ) Hope all this doesn’t come across as be rude to u ?
I thought they never are described in the books? Are you sending him on a wild Goose chase? Lol.
@@TheThreebucks My lips are sealed 🤫 🤐
I think you missed a little bit of point in previous episodes!! It's about the nature of how Santi communicate with each other, they can literally see the thoughts as if their heads were transparent and they see some sort of pattern generated by brain in order to communicate with each other, which is in a way bit more efficient than how humans communicate by talking. That is the reason they cannot lie or hide their thoughts and the very same reason they don't understand the concept of lying.
In the Little Riding Hood Story, Evans asks them about how they communicate. Santi did tell him as soon as thought occurs they know the what is the message being conveyed!!!
That is why human brain is really important to the Santi, because they cannot see human thought. They will never be able to judge whether humans are malicious or deceptive and will always be in a 50-50 dillema about what humans are thinking to make a move!! 😂😂
Niether can humans tell what their true intent is! So it kind of creates mistrust on both sides.
From a book reader: I find your unbiased opinion valuable.
Someone told me that they picture Santi as Lekgolo from Halo. They are small worms that unify into single entities. One worm doesn't have intelligence but one “entity” does. In the case of Santi I think those entities could just “touch” each other and their thoughts are conveyed. This still fits the biomorphological analysis in my previous comment and explains why there are rouge “individuals” in their society.
Although I think those Lekgolos are giving more horror than being intelligent, I would love to see that the Santi really looks like that. Imagining that an alien specie we thought to be highly civilized and advanced turns out to look primitive, blood-thirsty and horrifying.
In the books it's said that they communicate by refracting light through their body
I dont think the Sant-ti crashed those cars it was probs oond of the Sant-ti supporters. Sophones can only interact with things on a subatomic level or a macro level depending on what dimension they are in, just a thought......
Thanks for your insight. Keep it up. 👍
0:50 don’t be upset that you missed the individual pacifist. One of the most common comments on reddit is people who think san-ti are a hive-mind
In the show it is quite strange that viewers have so little info about San-ti despite Jonathan Pryce communicating with them regularly
I think it's definitely an easy mistake to make but now that I know, it does change my entire perception of the San Ti
@@jamesdewayne
Them being hive - minded (telepathic) does seem to follow from their inability to lie.
Wenjie’s joke is a strange thing when it comes to show vs book. Because in the book she just tells facts straight up, in the show she supposedly has to hide the info in a joke - but it does not seem to matter: the San-Ti still try to kill Saul because Wenjie talked to him
A common explanation for the show is San-Ti sensed Saul got important info even if they did not understand it
So the Einstein metaphor was kinda pointless and needlessly convuluted: Wenjie could’ve just told Saul shit straight up and San-Ti would act the same way
really ? I wonder why they would make that change then, because if she did just straight up tell him, this would've made everything easier lol - so in the book, is the character representing Saul told "what" to do ? not necessarily "how" to do it ?
cuz then that would mean her joke does have more meaning than just "tell jokes" right ?
In the books Wenjie just plainly tells her hypothesis of cosmic sociology: which is basically that civilizations expand but resources don’t - so it’s a strong hint that all civilizations will be willing to go to war to get resources.
This is not a very usable fact though and it takes the guy in the book a decade before he gets a practical idea based off Wenjie’s hypothesis
In my opinion it us unclear what the show is trying to make Wenjie say
Could be
A) if you send a signal - a more powerful species will attack
b) we can use jokes to hide info from san-ti
c) both
@@BenRangel gotcha. so does that still play into the “dark forest” part. like everyone in the universe is hoping not to be heard so no one comes and takes their resources ?
@@jamesdewayneIt's pretty clear what the joke is a clue to: let the universe know where the San-Ti are, and a scarier civilisaiton will show up to take them out. That's what's in the books.
James-- Do NOT read the books. I have not read any of them. :) I'll read the books AFTER Season 3!
The majority of those who did advises otherwise. And if you have not read the books, what's your basis to advise to do so anyway?
Sophone hacked cars to kill Saul and later Wade still put him on a Jet?
A jet is not self driving. Auto pilot not withstanding.
I thought it was the ETO that took control of the cars.
@@nisraelsson You might be right
I didn't understand her "joke" as a joke at all until they said it was one. I'm still so lost about what that nonsense meant
I wish their was a Time Machine so I can’t watch next season !
It could be read in several ways.
Another is that you can't defeat The Santi on their own terms.
You have to sneak up on them.
I know it’s mainly for plot. But why not just give the Wallfacer’s a countdown?
Because the facers know that the sophons can't actually do shit in the world
Awesome videos, just binged in two nights…I wouldn’t read the books and spoil it for yourself ( I have not read the books)
Hello love the show and your analysis of them. If you want to watch a movie where tech is taken over by an alien entity watch Maximum Overdrive, it gets a lot of flak but basically is it everything you fear might happen if it was real.
Yea the San Ti are not a hivemind. The show did a poor joj clearifying it and ive seen many people confused about it.
They are a hive mind tho well at least according to what I read, there is a set distance where they can communicate with each other, and the radius is fairly large, as far as I can remember. Like when in the book they mention, the human computer could only work if each person turned the flags hundred of thousands of time in very less time with precision, a transparent mind and Shan Ti's biological frame might've helped with that.
Although, the conversation with the king sprouts some doubts, but the king was not angry or feeling anything at all, its their biological evolution that restricts them. Lying would be very harmful for their fragile civilisation, that hardly lasts 2 or 3 centuries, they gradually evolved to not even consider lying is my guess.
Great video! However I would add a MAJOR SPOILER WARNING regarding the second book as this video has information that references other videos created by people who are clearly familiar with the book series and who definitely discuss spoilers. Keep up the great work!
ah I didnt realize that was a huge spoiler 🤦♀
@@jamesdewayne respect, just got a new sub
i watching the tencent version now
The Chinese version is good too!
umm what about that Cicada Storm ?
So they mentioned that Ohio state people also got the same messages as the Chinese but it was just later so there is probably another faction of the santi cult built from them too.
\explain the rest of the story 🔥
I was so exited to watch this season. By ep 3 I was already confused about all the nonsense and inconsistencies so I came here and learned that its based on books so that explains it lol.
Vr headsets, games, scientists killed while others recruited, lady invites aliens to invade, then makes a child with a bright future ahead :))
Old dude talking real time to aliens through an ancient intercom while my mum is laggin on whatsapp :))
Who was that, why was that, why did they do that, because books.
Translating books fiction to tv screen is very hard and for me result in a dreamlike fantasy nonsense.
This ended to be more of a Harry Potter version of Starwars for me than Constelation for example ( i loved that series)
Im a big fan of quantum physics fiction, and this was a big disappointment for me :/
I JUST SAW THE episode 8 VIDEO.
I LOVED THE SHOW AND FOUND YOUR VIDEO TO BE EXCELLENT.
I'M GOING TO WATCH THEN ALL.
No please don't spoil the series arc by contaminating it with the books.
I have the trilogy of books but will wait until Netflix [HOPEFULLY} picks up seasons 2 and 3.
SPACEFARING ALIENS ARE LIVING THINGS LOOKING FOR NATURAL RESOURCES,
LIVING SPACE, A FOOD SUPPLY, AND A PLACE TO GROW A FOOD SUPPLY.
WE ENLIGHTENED HUMANS EAT, PIGS, WHALES, GORILLAS AND CHIMPS!
WHY EXPECT AND ADVANCED ALIEN GROUP TO PASS UP BILLIONS OF YUMMY
MORSELS OR THEIR NATURAL RESOURCE RICH WORLD?
I'm now 84 but problem of first contact has plagued me since I was a child.
My good friends always insist that an advanced civilization will be enlightened and non violent.
I point out how we humans have depersonalized and dehumanized fellow humans based on skin pigment,
language, body type, physical infirmity, religion and for just about any way we could to justify
taking their land, food, living space or JUST BECAUSE WE COULD.
All live is in competition with similar life forms to maximize their access to natural resources.
The enlightened European explorers 'discovered away North and South America.
Germany needed "living space."
The rogue santi would be deceiving their own race. I thought they couldnt do that. Though we dont know that the santi on the speaker was being truthful
Not really, the rogue Santi was betraying its own race.. but not lying
If the santi was asked later if it had warned earth to not reply back, it probably couldn't lie and just exposed its treason... So dude's a goner
They are not a hive mind. They can do their own things but they can't hide their thoughts from their immediate san-ti co-workers. That pacifist sent out message and was fully aware of his own eventual doom because his superiors did find out what he did.
The pacificist San-Ti was alone in one of thousands of observation posts. He - for it's a he in the book - sent the answer to Earth to warn them before his bosses found out.
they can't lie. The rogue San Ti was old and not good for breeding and was nearing the end of his usefulness to his species. They wanted their life to mean something so they figured they could save another species if not their own.
If the San-it were half as smart as they appear they would have developed many different groups of supporters. To think they were all on the boat is stupid.
I don’t think there’s a guarantee that the show will be true to the books. There are already major changes. Most of the characters are different. The main location is different.
I kinda am hoping for that but granted I haven't read the books. what are some examples of the character differences?
@@jamesdewayne in the books, the main characters weren’t a group of friends. Most of the first book takes place in China and most of the characters were Chinese. I think the only main characters that were essentially the same are Ye Wenjie and Mike Evans. Season one also includes aspects from all three books.
@@jamesdewayne
I really don't think there are major alterations between the book series and the show.
It's simply that a lot of characters have been introduced earlier in the show.
there was another one, i think it was produced in china. seems like it was better, but not by much
But Tell us the cost! They think we're stupid! - not me!
I think the show is a year late because an advance civilisation can enter your brain but not read your mine 😂 Elon musk must be laugbing
No spoilers from me -- Have not read the books beyond what was streaming.
The San Ti have several characteristics as revealed in the headset "Game"
[ If one survives we all survive ] It seems to me that they are capable of reproducing asexually from a single living San Ti.
Like cloning. Perhaps not a "hive" mind ---- if exactly the same genetically ---- then perhaps able to sorta know what the others are thinking. Perhaps they are so empathetic that they might not be able to read each-others mind but rather infer from very limited information what the others of their kind are trying to communicate. This would be similar to the "Speakers" in the Foundation books by Asimov.
With periods of chaos and near total world destruction they my be relatively simple physically except for their organ of thought.
The "dehydrate ---- rehydrate" theme suggests that by dehydrating they are like some other earthly organisms able to much better withstand , vacuum, heat, ionizing radiation and other life functions.
Sort of like a suspended animation. That might explain how they can embark on a 400 year journey.
They have to have some sort of AI that functions when they have dehydrated to survive the various periods of Chaos that besieges their world.
I don't believe you didn't read the books.
You at least read some discussions with spoilers.
i swear i only watched 2 videos on it lol. the one i mentioned and then one by “heavy spoilers”. i haven’t even tried reading the book yet cuz i’m not really a book guy
@@jamesdewayne such a good compliment that is, actually! It does seem like you understand this story really well! Congrats!
The Giant Freaking Robot video (who has read the books) was rather explicit in the explanation.
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Saul Facer
you keep calling Wenjie 'Ye' but that's her last name, same as Vera's
well that's not how they refer to her in the show - everyone says Ye Wenjie
@@jamesdewayneThat's because in Chinese, the family name comes before the personal name. I think it's fine to just refer to her by "Ye", though.
PLEASE DON'T SPOIL ANYTHING!
So, why don't the 3 Body Aliens use the sophon to detonate all the earth's nuclear weapons to send humanity back to Stone age? Human may advance faster than them, but in tow centuries from stone age, they will at best be in Roman times.
great point, maybe season 2? I feel like thats honestly a big plot hole lol
@@jamesdewayne Yes. Of course we have to suspend our disbelief, but when the sophons are presented as so powerful, then they resorted to such low tech methods like using their followers to shoot people or even using Tesla cars to run people down, that stretches credibility beyond limit.
@@jamesdewayne
They want an undamaged Earth.
Remember they're refugees from an extremely hostile environment as much as they're conquerors.
I think they're still keeping their options open whether to exterminate humanity or attempt coexistence.
It's certainly not a decision they'll need to make for quite a while.
ughhhh the cut music is horrible my boy! rest of the commentary is great!
the music in the background ? or the music for the title card ? im honestly curious