Imagine if hallucinated probes worked like mules and could mine resources. Not necessarily mining more than a regular probe, but just the ability to do so would be hilarious.
Protoss has the same advantages as Zerg does against Terran, just to a lesser degree: Cheaper infrastructure and better ability to produce workers. So it stands to reason that similar strategy could work. The difference being that Protoss is ahead from the get go and techs up much faster than Zerg does. (CCs, unchronoed Nexuses and Hatcheries all produce at the same rate, so Zerg is behind in worker production until Injects start to complete, while Protoss has the best building mechanic and chrono boosts Nexus production right from the start. The dynamic is really apparent in early PvZ). Larva/Injects aren't especially weird: A Hatch produces the same as a CC/Nexus, and a Queen basically doubles the capacity. She's a walking Reactor. The Nexus is the Protoss Queen, since it provides the production capacity boost.
Every time I see Byun's clan tag, it just makes me think "red bloon." It's been a long time since I last played BTD6, but what can I say, it had an effect on me.
Speaking of introduction, I do really enjoy your camera movement when you introduce the players. Small detail but the side scrolling and zooming catches me.
I remember a very high level match in old school SC2 where the reigning champion GG-ed out after seeing a bunch of hallucinated carriers. That was an absolutely insane match with a really epic big brain ending.
Has anyone tried to mine minerals with a hallucinated probe? If they are capable of doing it, they can be like "Protoss MULEs" and can even be used to clear the ramp minerals like in Alcyone in both attacking the enemy and clearing another base. The only real cost is energy which is effective I assume.
sentries are 2 supply I think but with that you could still hallucinate 400 probes. I don't know what I would think if someone came at me with 400 hallucinated probes
@lowkotv Get NFS Underground and enjoy hours of fun. If that isn't the NFS game you played you won't regret it. I was never a big racing game fan but Underground was fun as hell.
In addition to what the other poster said, it's a bit difficult: Protoss and Zerg can do this kind of style against Terran because their infrastructure is considerably cheaper than Terran's, so they have an easier time expanding than T does, and they can mass produce workers better to saturate the bases. Without the mass expansion and extra funds, the Zergy style falls apart. You also need mobility: Zerg and Gateway units move fast, Bio not so much. It's why you used to see a sorta Zergy style from Terrans with mass Cyclone-Hellion. It was mobile enough to make things workable.
29:12 the Queen/King of Protoss is the guy in the Nexus shouting: "Not enough Minerals!" again and again, motivating the Player to build more NExus and farm Minerals. Sometime actually helping with Cronosboost.
i started putting pieces together, and i thought that herO would hallucinate workers to fake a 3rd and its actually a 2 base all in which might've been funny against zerg because of immortal sentry all in
Would be cool if hallucinated probes could build hallucinated buildings :p Though i guess you would need to drastically reduce their HP to basically 1, so that its not totally broken 🙂
Have you ever said that intro while looking in a mirror. Like rehearsing it before hand? Lol idk why I'm picturing you doing that but it makes me chuckle
The quality of video is way off. Wondering if that's because you record with not enough video bitrate or because the resolution get's messed up in between and is actually lower then 4k. I play on 4k SC2 daily, so I know how it looks. The discord join button looks ok, but rest looks bad (for 4k res). Do you add that stuff later and recompress or what? Btw. would be nice to see you in arcade->direct strike->commanders mode + weekly brawl But it's slow ass game for us mere mortals ;)
1:25 - Thats personal. Also.. last night on Evo with my buddy, I took my probe and snatched his gas gyzers. He was so unsure about the cheese I was able to hard contain two bases while it completly threw him for a loop lol So now, Lowko is right xD Protoss bully.
I hate planetary fortresses as a zerg main. You literally have to cheese them you need lurker, muta, or blinding cloud. That makes lurker the only practical thing and if they have tanks you can't do it. It's OP
Hallucinations is one of the many protoss op abilities, you can literally spam hallucinations and have army with literal free 400 damage shield (multiplied fo every hallucination), cause they have hp and can soak that damage ez, they can scout and get total vision of the map again, free, and can confuse your enemy a lot making him misjudge the situation. That's is completely broken. Protoss is the most braindamaged race and can only be beaten in pro levels. On the ladder below master league everyone hates protoss ecxept protoss players that abuse these braindead and op units and abilities. Starcraft 2 deserves to die fast cause the balance team is dead, there are a handful of people that "balance" everything around pro match and players like clem serral maxpax ecc, that are the 0.000001% of the players and don't count. the game is been abandoned and is only good for pro players but playing as a nobody on the ladder is hell.
No? Sentries take supply, and resources. Zerg gets overlords & creep, Terran literally gets a “let me see what you have there”, which can’t be countered at all. If sentries were so OP, how come I hardly ever fight against them?
@@Manasquid.67 learn to read as i am talking about hallucination ability that is freaking op, not sentry, you dont lose any resource or supply with hallucinations aka your arguments is pointless. You dont fight against them cause you're either very low mr (protoss is still op cause they just F2 + A move and win the game)or either lucky cause sentry require a bit of micro like with force fields, walls and hallucinations. Btw terran can't scan free cause you lose energy and lose the mining of the mule that is A LOT of minerals, so to make it simple for you cause you seem a bit slow, 1 scan=250 potential minerals lost. overlords get killed easily losing supply and creep require a lot of apm to make it good. Clearly you are either new or just bad lol.
@@Lellopastorello Let me clarify a bit better you need sentries for hallucinations, so there is a cost to have access to it. And if someone is killing your sentries, you have to keep spending your precious gas on them to keep access to it. Not only that, but you have to have the energy for it, and proper scouting can help avoid confusion, as well as paying attention. If you build turrets, cannons, or spores in your base, your less likely to be scanned. With most of your arguments, you could say that changelings are more OP the hallucinations when it comes to scouting. At least you can use static D against hallucinations scouting your base, and your army auto attacks them. Also it is a skill issue if you can’t pay attention to a fight that you can’t tell what is or isn’t a hallucination in a couple seconds based on what is doing damage or not, with the alternative being the simple inclusion of a detector. Just don’t attack hallucinations.
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In the Zerg analogy, Gateways are Larva and Nexii are Queens with Chrono Boost being Inject
HE DID THE THING GUYS
"he cant confirm its a hallucination with a scan" Literally 10 seconds after he confirmed it with a scan
8:24
@@Spartsou My bad, a full 40 seconds haha.
Finally he did THE THING
Also I love seeing hallucination plays in pro play
Hero is a madman, and I’m here for it!
ahhh the classic lowko jingle at it's best... it's not cringe, it IS LowkoTV
Imagine if hallucinated probes worked like mules and could mine resources. Not necessarily mining more than a regular probe, but just the ability to do so would be hilarious.
He did it, guys! The OG opening "Hello everyone, my name is Lowko and welcome back..." ❤️❤️❤️
He is back!!
I always hear it as "loco", aka crazy in Spanish
Yes, and the v in his everyone still sounds more like an f. Probably on purpose this time.
Can you hallucinate disruptors? Imagine trying to split against twice as many balls ;)
That's a good question!
Sadly no lol
That's WAY TOO MANY BALLS to manage at once, lololol
you can't use abilities on hallucinated units
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I LOVED Need For Speed: Underground when I was a kid too, Lowko
Bad, bad, Jimmy. Thankfully he listened to daddy Lowko.
Protoss has the same advantages as Zerg does against Terran, just to a lesser degree: Cheaper infrastructure and better ability to produce workers. So it stands to reason that similar strategy could work. The difference being that Protoss is ahead from the get go and techs up much faster than Zerg does.
(CCs, unchronoed Nexuses and Hatcheries all produce at the same rate, so Zerg is behind in worker production until Injects start to complete, while Protoss has the best building mechanic and chrono boosts Nexus production right from the start. The dynamic is really apparent in early PvZ).
Larva/Injects aren't especially weird: A Hatch produces the same as a CC/Nexus, and a Queen basically doubles the capacity. She's a walking Reactor. The Nexus is the Protoss Queen, since it provides the production capacity boost.
Every time I see Byun's clan tag, it just makes me think "red bloon."
It's been a long time since I last played BTD6, but what can I say, it had an effect on me.
Speaking of introduction, I do really enjoy your camera movement when you introduce the players. Small detail but the side scrolling and zooming catches me.
HOW DID I NOT KNOW YOU GET 4 HALLUCINATED PROBES?? THAT'S SO SMART
The observers are the queen of Protoss. You don’t see them injecting because they’re invisible.
I remember a very high level match in old school SC2 where the reigning champion GG-ed out after seeing a bunch of hallucinated carriers. That was an absolutely insane match with a really epic big brain ending.
MLG Dallas, Idra vs Huk. One of the most iconic sc2 games of all time
@@mar_sh4617 Thanks, yeah, that activated my memory! It really was a legendary match, so effing great! :D
Well the Protoss Queen is obviously the Chronoboost if the Gateways are the Larva.
Hero needs to unbind all army hotkey yesterday. It's truly holding him back.
Ghosts are always a good choice against any match up...
the queen would be a chrono on the gateways
29:00 That would be Chronoboost ;-)
Byun forgot he has access to Siege Tanks.
Instant like for the presentation.
Has anyone tried to mine minerals with a hallucinated probe? If they are capable of doing it, they can be like "Protoss MULEs" and can even be used to clear the ramp minerals like in Alcyone in both attacking the enemy and clearing another base. The only real cost is energy which is effective I assume.
Hallucinating oracles to scout should be standard
Protoss are just StarCraft's merc faction
surprised SCVs dont shoot minerals with guns
Here's a fun thought: What's the biggest hallucinated army you could come up with? Marching in with 200 full energy sentries. Would love to see that.
sentries are 2 supply I think but with that you could still hallucinate 400 probes. I don't know what I would think if someone came at me with 400 hallucinated probes
XelNaga ultimately created 2 Zerg races.
🎉🎉🎉 He did the intro 🎉🎉🎉
I've been playing since beta... Had no idea you could do that with hallucination 😮😂
"Ole Harmy hotkey" 😅
Protoss Swarm!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Adepts do KA-ME-HA-MEEEE!!! Lasers are nothing compared to that.
@lowkotv Get NFS Underground and enjoy hours of fun. If that isn't the NFS game you played you won't regret it. I was never a big racing game fan but Underground was fun as hell.
The CyberCore is the queen, because it allowes the warp...
*shrugs*
Fck yeah he did it he did
Welp, i shall take notes for my gold league games
Surely the pylons are the queens?
Will Terran now try to copy the zerg and swarm?
It's called playing bio lol
In addition to what the other poster said, it's a bit difficult: Protoss and Zerg can do this kind of style against Terran because their infrastructure is considerably cheaper than Terran's, so they have an easier time expanding than T does, and they can mass produce workers better to saturate the bases. Without the mass expansion and extra funds, the Zergy style falls apart.
You also need mobility: Zerg and Gateway units move fast, Bio not so much. It's why you used to see a sorta Zergy style from Terrans with mass Cyclone-Hellion. It was mobile enough to make things workable.
Can hallucinated probes build hallucinated structures to make opponent think you're going in a certain direction?
they can't.
"herO's" actually ahead 🤔no... if Protoss is only one worker ahead then Terran is definitely ahead.
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29:12 the Queen/King of Protoss is the guy in the Nexus shouting: "Not enough Minerals!" again and again, motivating the Player to build more NExus and farm Minerals. Sometime actually helping with Cronosboost.
I knew my mass hallucination strategy would work finally!!! (I am Silver League)
What is it? Mass hallucinated probes and attack with stalkers and probes?
Hallucinations helped me win quite a few matches, actually (S1).
i started putting pieces together, and i thought that herO would hallucinate workers to fake a 3rd and its actually a 2 base all in which might've been funny against zerg because of immortal sentry all in
Would be cool if hallucinated probes could build hallucinated buildings :p
Though i guess you would need to drastically reduce their HP to basically 1, so that its not totally broken 🙂
yeah but you can't mine with hallucinations afaik
@@Daniel-rd6st yeah, forcefields
Thank you Lowko for the cast
"That's protoss players in general, they love to be bullies." Zerg propaganda.
YEs... love the old fashioned intro...
Waiting all dayyy yaaaaahhh!!
Timestamp for probe hallucinate?
Have you ever said that intro while looking in a mirror. Like rehearsing it before hand? Lol idk why I'm picturing you doing that but it makes me chuckle
The quality of video is way off. Wondering if that's because you record with not enough video bitrate or because the resolution get's messed up in between and is actually lower then 4k. I play on 4k SC2 daily, so I know how it looks. The discord join button looks ok, but rest looks bad (for 4k res). Do you add that stuff later and recompress or what?
Btw. would be nice to see you in arcade->direct strike->commanders mode + weekly brawl
But it's slow ass game for us mere mortals ;)
1:25 - Thats personal.
Also.. last night on Evo with my buddy, I took my probe and snatched his gas gyzers. He was so unsure about the cheese I was able to hard contain two bases while it completly threw him for a loop lol
So now, Lowko is right xD Protoss bully.
I hate planetary fortresses as a zerg main. You literally have to cheese them you need lurker, muta, or blinding cloud. That makes lurker the only practical thing and if they have tanks you can't do it. It's OP
I hope that hallucinated probe can harvest hallucinated minerals and gas one day.
Even better, hallucinated sentry should last double the time.
HELLOOO EVERYONE! my name is lowko 😃
new greediest build just dropped
shield battery is the queen
Hallucinate is underrated
this is crazy
great series!
😶🌫
Hallucinated probes seems like a good strategy against Brood War Terran spider mines in that new SC1 vs. SC2 mod.
herO must have been drinking coffee whit Dark
Thanks for the video, Lowko. I always love me that awesome intro!
I would like to like 2 times for the best intro EVER
Chrono Boost is the Queen's inject?
So now protoss is finally winning.
That was surgical. The confidence in the upgrades and expanding mid-fight really shows the skill gap in this series.
Hallucinations is one of the many protoss op abilities, you can literally spam hallucinations and have army with literal free 400 damage shield (multiplied fo every hallucination), cause they have hp and can soak that damage ez, they can scout and get total vision of the map again, free, and can confuse your enemy a lot making him misjudge the situation. That's is completely broken. Protoss is the most braindamaged race and can only be beaten in pro levels. On the ladder below master league everyone hates protoss ecxept protoss players that abuse these braindead and op units and abilities. Starcraft 2 deserves to die fast cause the balance team is dead, there are a handful of people that "balance" everything around pro match and players like clem serral maxpax ecc, that are the 0.000001% of the players and don't count. the game is been abandoned and is only good for pro players but playing as a nobody on the ladder is hell.
No? Sentries take supply, and resources. Zerg gets overlords & creep, Terran literally gets a “let me see what you have there”, which can’t be countered at all.
If sentries were so OP, how come I hardly ever fight against them?
@@Manasquid.67 learn to read as i am talking about hallucination ability that is freaking op, not sentry, you dont lose any resource or supply with hallucinations aka your arguments is pointless. You dont fight against them cause you're either very low mr (protoss is still op cause they just F2 + A move and win the game)or either lucky cause sentry require a bit of micro like with force fields, walls and hallucinations. Btw terran can't scan free cause you lose energy and lose the mining of the mule that is A LOT of minerals, so to make it simple for you cause you seem a bit slow, 1 scan=250 potential minerals lost. overlords get killed easily losing supply and creep require a lot of apm to make it good. Clearly you are either new or just bad lol.
@@Somniac143 brain issue lmao
@@Lellopastorello
Let me clarify a bit better
you need sentries for hallucinations, so there is a cost to have access to it. And if someone is killing your sentries, you have to keep spending your precious gas on them to keep access to it.
Not only that, but you have to have the energy for it, and proper scouting can help avoid confusion, as well as paying attention.
If you build turrets, cannons, or spores in your base, your less likely to be scanned.
With most of your arguments, you could say that changelings are more OP the hallucinations when it comes to scouting. At least you can use static D against hallucinations scouting your base, and your army auto attacks them.
Also it is a skill issue if you can’t pay attention to a fight that you can’t tell what is or isn’t a hallucination in a couple seconds based on what is doing damage or not, with the alternative being the simple inclusion of a detector. Just don’t attack hallucinations.
marine go brrr