Yeah Phil Foden has some good stats this year,7 goals in 27 games,2 assists with man city,so maybe he might get ballon dor 2024 and legacy like messi and ronaldo. Whats ur thought?
I’ve been a die hard Messi fan since early middle school. The stuff Messi has done is nothing short of magical. I don’t hate CR7 but Messi has this way of making you question what you just saw.
Bro just watch young skillful cr7, despite being a player of hight stature and hight center of mass unlike Messi,he was still incredibly skillfully with the ball.
@@ShauryaSingh-tn8etBro is 1.87m, not Peter Crouch or Jan Koller. His dribbling was impressive all by himself, not because hes taller than average. And yes he was effective - comparatively
I still how the f*ck cristiano scored that free kick vs arsenal, ong ranger vs porto just to name a few. So that logic doesn't make sense. U like messi so u think that
managing less than 120 minutes per goal over your ENTIRE career is insane bro. doing that in in your peak years alone is mad, but 2 players doing that over 2 decades is hard to wrap my mind around.
Yeah, the debate already started when they met second time on UCL final. At the time people are choosing Ronaldo for his balon dor achievement and trophies at 2008. But now it's getting even bigger when Messi won 4th balon dor and Ronaldo move to Madrid
Media made it for clicks and views. All for it to culminate in Ronaldo becoming a crazy cult leader saying anything stupid and his followers eating it up 😂
yes because you cant compare performances in different leagues the same way, but it doesnt tell anything about who is better. like nobody really cares about who's the best in the world right now because the contenders play in different leagues
The Ronaldo the hard worker vs Messi the talent has got to be the most reductionist narrative in football. People forget just how much of a talent Ronaldo is. There's no young talent on the face of the earth that even touches his level at his age.
Amen! Just because you see more of Ronaldo doing the work doesn't mean Messi isn't putting in the same amount of work. How would he have become a freekick specialist without putting in the hours? This is just a simple example. It's ridiculous of people to think Ronaldo is putting more hours in and Messi is doing nothing. No one can be at this level without a crazy work ethic.
@@Marco-jc4zxwhile I do agree that messi definitely trains and works hard but to say that he works as hard as ronaldo is just obscene. Every teammate ronaldo's played with has talked his dedication to training and perfecting his craft and how obsessed he is at being the best. And that simple fact to me proves that he's the harder worker
@@Bruhi7that does not reduce the impact his talent plays or the sheer amount of it, or vice versa for Messi. As OP said, it's the most reductionist narrative and it is quite annoying to see sometimes.
Let’s not act like Ronaldo was some century talent like Messi was, Ronaldo was super talented for sure, but compared to players like Rooney, or Neymar he’s pretty mediocre in terms of talent. His mentality bolstered his talent to put him above those two.
Wrong cr7 was extremely talented he was just very raw . You can say they were more develop at younger age flr world level but his talent was on their level @@Susanoo1016
Man, some people still talk about the rivalry between the two and the longetivity is insane. Mad, mad respect. The fact that Messi and Ronaldo are still being spoken of and some in Ballon D'Or contention despite Mbappe and Haaland being at that age where the two (Messi and Ronaldo) won their first (of many) Ballon D'Or is just mad.
Some Ronaldo fans are so salty about Messi’s World Cup win that they tried to just end the debate acting like they both are equal and just as great as each other
yeah first they said who wins the 2022 wc is the goat and then they said both are equal but when the euros came they said if Ronaldo win it hes the goat and now its back to saying they are both equal
@@NoahMills-g4l I am from India and I can approve you... They literally think having more Instagram followers, Height, RUclips followers means being the goat of football.
To me Messi all day but I still appreciate Ronaldo and his achievements. He deserves respect and his flowers. What these guy has done in their careers will never be forgotten
@@bonaventuretindin8494 i didn't understand a damn thing mate you must be even more stupid than him to understand that and think that I understood it too if I did I never would have commented
Messi never played against San Marino, Gibraltar, Liechtenstein, Moldova, Malta, Andorra, Lithuania, Latvia, Faroe Islands, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Cyprus, Estonia, Kosovo, Belarus, Armenia, Luxembourg etc regularly. Otherwise he would've 250+ international goals by now. South American Qualifiers are the most difficult one.
When I see takes like this, I realise how stupid and jealous some people are. If ronaldo didn’t score, you’d be like: he’s so shit he can’t score vs those teams. So basically you have an agenda whereby whatever the outcome, you will still shit on him. If Ronaldo was 5”7, shy and not outspoken, you’d be singing his praises because that’s what you relate to. You can hate him as a person but you cannot shit on his legacy. Simple
@@08BostonCeltics1it's not about personality you are making that on your own head Messi is better And if he plays against weak European team he will score more than Ronaldo ❤
While I am a die hard Ronaldo fan. I know that you cannot even deny Messi’s career as being the greatest anyone has ever witnessed. I’ll always rep Ronaldo because of the memories he was instrumental in creating for me and other Madridistas. But Messi’s career is so perfect, he has won everything he could win being the best player almost every single time. Who can debate that?
Messi didn't do well for psg tho.. he got carried by Barca, while Ronaldo is on his own, proving himself in every team.. cant deny messi's greatness in barca tho
Its simple really Stats - Messi Trophies - Messi Individual awards - Messi Eye Test - Messi This is easily the most forced debate of all time. its not even remotely close
@BakrIkhmaiesMessi Has more assists and more Goals in European Club football,so top 5 leagues etc in way less Games lmao. "Undeserved" Argument is Just bs.
@BakrIkhmaies only in goalscoring is ronaldo close to messi. and even then messi has 60 less goals in 200 less games, with 50 less penalties, while taking 2000 less shot attempts and noy being able to be a target man on corners/crosses cus of his height. he also has the most free kick goals and outside the box goals while playing 200 less games. if there was a debate, it should be about who the better goalscorer is, not player. it would actually be a fun debate
@@Eni22qJust because ronaldo or the player you got brainwashed into thinking played better than messi didn’t win the ballon it doesn’t mean it’s rigged
what d you mean there's no debate? have you visited the internet in the last 20 years? why do some pro footballers say that ronaldo is the greatest, are they just obsessed? you must know so much more about football than them
as a ronaldo fan, I agree messi is the goat in football, but the reason so many people like ronaldo is the fact that he is very hardworking and a inspirational, motivational person, his story is inspiring and he is a perfect role model to achieve greatness.
im a cr7 fan since 2013 bro, i even used to say he is the goat until messi proved he is capable of winning international trophies, he has the world cup and at the end of the day he has every single trophy and most ballon dors @@FilmShowBD
We’ve been spoiled! There will never another pair like Messi and Ronaldo. They drove the game (and each other) to new, dizzying heights! We were blessed
@@DimaHowick-p3z Yeah.. Cos messi owns football… Only him can set a worldcup competition for himself … Messi runs football.😕 Your crying goat is beneath him..😂
@@ojvic7297there will be more ronaldo sure (some say mbappe is the next cr7) but to have both messi and ronaldo at the same time is what makes their career truly special
Looking back at the career of Messi and everything he has shown and done on the pitch, what he has produced in output and won on top of all that, there is no shame in Ronaldo coming 2nd to such an alien. Cr7 however has shown and set a blueprint to all aspiring footballers that may not be gifted as much in ability as their peers that among magicians in the game you can still through sheer hard work, dedication and winning mentality, take yourself into the conversation amongst the greatest. He will always be admired as the best role model and a personal goat for those reasons for many people… Of course Ronaldo also had the talent and Messi had the mentality, but what clearly stood out and is most known about the two is Messi’s outstanding ability which is down to his natural football genius and Ronaldo’s clutch performances be it finals or other big games… which is down to his outstanding mentality, drive and determination of winning whilst having an extreme bitter hate to lose…
@yusufchagtai5542 Well put....but please revisit that clutch, big game and final part. This is one aspect of Ronaldo that people seem to simply assume.
@yusufchagtai5542 See that's exactly the point. I'm certainly not joking. Give me examples that come to mind as to why Ronaldo is remembered as a big game player above someone like Messi for instance.
Even without the stat's Messi is clearly better. Ronaldo never affected and brought up his team the way Messi did. Messi did everything from scoring, assisting, and playmaking.while Ronaldo only scored and sometimes assisted.
@@Baller24992He is right but Ronaldo did affect the team with his clutch but he does only score goals and his influence other than goals is limited and he sometimes assist but Ronaldo comes in clutch.
Pele, Messi, CR7, Og Ronaldo, Alex de Souza, Maradona, Cruyff, and more. All these players have contributed so much to this game, and I hope for more players like them.
@@Vizeh I’m English, but he is like Fenerbahce greatest ever player. Different on the eye and amazing stats to back it up. if he was more fortunate in his career with transfers and coaches he could’ve been an all time great.
@@Vizeh legend who’s career was ruined by the manager of Fenerbache who was also their top scorer. He scored 5 goals in a game at the end of the Brazilian league season to equal a record set by R9.
See its usually younger kids, those more naive and still growing that really idolise ronaldo because of the image he build around himself but when they start growing up start to mature they start to appreciate how insane messi stats and achievements are in comparison
I don’t think this is true, at least from where I come from. Two of the schools i’ve seen, a lot of people say Messi. I personally think Ronaldo is better but both are arguable. I respect both of them for being the best at the sport.
Bro this is the most true thing I’ve read today. From 2017 I was a Ronaldo fan and I always didn’t care for Messi games . But know that I have opened my eyes Messi is truly the greatest
That's literally my brother who idolised Ronaldo because of his body and physique but as he grown up he realized how insane messi was now he is Messi fan
Both are legends, and I’m glad I witnessed both of them in my lifetime. Both are amazing people as well, they might’ve made mistakes in the past, but they’re both a good example of determination and honesty.
@chardy8683 Everyone evades taxes, especially rich people in countries with high rates. Neither Messi nor Ronaldo do their own accounting, and they probably don't know shit about taxes either.
@@chardy8683lol if you had any money you’d do the same. But i guess we’ll never find out, because you have a loser’s mindset, all bitterness and helplessness.
As a Ronaldo fan, I have to admit Messi is better than him. His playmaking and on field ability is just unbelievable like you can just look at one of his dribbles you’ll just be shocked. If you don’t agree, the stats speak for themselves
I don't know why fans are so obsessed with stats. They clearly do not watch football but just use social media. If you actually watch football, anyone who says that CR7 is a better footballer than Messi is delusional. It is a fact.
The thing about stats is that Messi still has the greatest stats of any footballer in history. That's why it baffles me when people try to use that to argue for Ronaldo
Messi has only played in 1 top league (la liga) and 2 B leagues, Ronaldo has played in 3 top leagues and 2 B leagues so he was up against harder competition through out his career
@@JackV-tw8bw funny cause he said Serie A was dead when i arrived and he brought it back alive. Humble comments as always… Cristiano went to the top team on every of those top leagues. Being the best player has nothing to do with playing different leagues. It’s about the way they play. The world of football agrees almost unanimously that Messi is the best player. You’re fighting against experts and professionals for a personal taste bias.
@@JackV-tw8bw he did, but nobody ever used the argument of playing in different leagues. Cristiano was fueled by excuses his whole career. Different leagues, leader personality, “messi cant win with Argentina” and stuff like that. The reality has always been that Messi was a far superior player if you understand football. Cristiano had a great and impressive run given his inferior talent, but at the end you can’t hide the truth. Their ends of careers make sense. Cristiano is salty cause he believed the lie for years and Messi ended up on top of the world, with almost the entire football world at his feet.
Cristina is a just a goal scorer, whereas Messi is an absolutely complete footballer- best playmaker, best dribbler, best free kick taker, best goal scorer, best passer, best teammate, best captain in the clubs and national teams! Messi is the GOAT🐐⚽️
The stats say Messi the trophies say Messi the awards say Messi visually its clearly Messi ability wise whether its goalscoring playmaking passing ball control assisting shooting finishing free kicks all say Messi yet there is still a debate and thats only because the media created it
Stats? Unfair taking into account that Messi always played in the Spanish Laliga and when he left, he went to a minor league like the one in France, Ronaldo played in the 3 big leagues and only when he was 38 did he go to a minor league, it is more difficult to get statistics at the best level. Trophies? The same as the previous point, Messi has won in his greatest successes: World Cup, Copa America, LaLiga, Champions League, Club World Cup, Uefa Super Cup. Ronaldo: Euro Cup, Champions League, Club World Cup, UEFA Super Cup, LaLiga but also the Premier League (The Most Competitive of All Leagues) and Serie A (The Most Defensive Ligue) not to mention that Ronaldo won all his titles being the best Unlike Messi, he won a champions league, being irrelevant (2006), two leagues in Spain and one in France the same, as well 2 super cups, but that is something irrelevant. Awards: It's almost the same thing, difference in leagues, difference in getting awards, more difficult. Goalscoring? Ronaldo is better Shooting? Ronaldo is better Finishing? Ronaldo is better Free kicks? Ronaldo and Messi are in the same level
@@FabrizioTapia-kt5mrListen now. Lets all agree. The biggest argument Ronaldo fans have is "but ronaldo is a better goalscorer" like bro,Messi litterally scores more goals per game. And that's not even talking about all the assists and chances he provides. Like Ronaldo fans are straight up delusional and most of Ronaldo fans i know dont even watch football. Even Ronaldo fans deep down know Messi is better but don't show it,because they cant stand it,they just cant. Messi is the GOAT,and Ronaldo is the only player in the last decade that has even came close to him. So now people are trying to make controversy saying Ronaldo is better but in reality.Messi is the GOAT,and Ronaldo is second,then everyone else.And Ronaldo fans like to say "oh well but he has great mentality" like are you guys that delusional? He HAD great mentality now he likes breaking kids phones,leaving the stadium early when his team is losing and disrespecting an entire club. No player is more important than an entire club,no matter how great the player is. Club comes first,then coach,then the players.And keep in mind i said PLAYERS,not Ronaldo specifically. Because all players are equal,no player should be allowed something the others arent allowed to do. For example: Not coming to training. And a lot of people are attacking Erik Ten Hag when in reality Manchester United has been better since Ten Hag,and thats a fact. You wanna know why? Because he treats all players equally. And someone selfish like Ronaldo is angry that he doesnt get privilege now.. So basically,Ten Hag proved the point "Manager is always more important thsn player,no matter how great a player may be,the coach comes first." Let me end this on a quote "Ronaldo needs other players to provide for him and get him chances to score,but Messi can dictate an entire game for his club",and that's the main difference. Messi is the undisputed G.O.A.T 🐐.
@@Zigoeditz I never said that being the best scorer is an argument, even so, does it seem somewhat irrelevant to you to be the top scorer in history? It is a great argument but not the only one. Are you seriously saying that Messi is a better scorer by 0.06 of better Average? It must be a joke hahaha, bro, you're replying to my message and I never said "oh well but he has great mentality", Go answer that to someone else who has written or said it hahaha Ten Hag proved the point "Manager is always more important thsn player,no matter how great a player may be,the coach comes first." -A Messi kid 🤣🤣😂😂 Ten Hag with United: -Spend 100 million on a fidget spinner that never does anything -He has problems with Ronaldo for missing training due to his daughter's hospitalization, he is removed from the team and he signs Weghorst -Lose 3-0 with Sevilla (12th place in the Spanish league) -Does not renew De Gea, a pillar of the team, the goalkeeper with the most clean sheets in the premier 22-23 -Spend 55 million on Onana (he received 2 goals per game) And this is only in its first season, do you really think that Ten Hag was right? "Ronaldo needs other players to provide for him and get him chances to score, but Messi can dictate an entire game for his club", and that's the main difference. -The same Messi kid Ronaldo literally the scorer of all his titles except 4, Messi has one champions being useless, two Spanish leagues and one French league also being irrelevant. Apart from always having better companions.
@@FabrizioTapia-kt5mr listen, Penaldo kid, however you compare them two Messi is better, name ONE thing Ronaldo is better at, since Messi is better at: Stats Eye test Titles And many more things...
I’ve probably watched 90-95% of Messi’s matches. I’ve run out of ways to describe him long ago. His footballing ability is ineffable. Without a doubt the GOAT!
i remember watching his goal against bilbao in 2015 copa del ray final and thought it was a normal goal BECAUSE IT WAS A NORMAL THING FOR MESSI , looking back now i dont know how i didnt realise i just witnessed one of the greatests goals of all time
I was once a CR7 diehard fan when he played for Real Madrid under Mourinho because I love Mourinho, but currently a diehard fan of Messi…I enjoyed your submissions but I must add that CR7 isn’t too far behind Messi…Of course Messi is from a different planet, but CR7 is not too far behind, at least in some statistical sense…Messi is the GOAT no doubt , but CR7 is closer than we give him credit for…For more than 15 years, these two tornadoes terrorized everything on their path during games..We must always remember that before choosing one or the other….They are the living legends of the game…
not far behind 200 less man of matches match thsn messi 100 less assists saying not far behind is dramatic you do realize cr7 fails to even dribble as good as messi you clearly were bias here and didn’t think very well
@@captainfalconmain6576bro ronaldo is not as good as Messi in dribbling but ronaldo in his first 361 games scored 126 goals and after 900 games he has scored 916 which is crazy. Messi is the goat but no one is stopping Messi from playing more matches. Playing more just shows your longevity.
@@captainfalconmain6576ronaldo is 100 percent the second greatest footballer after Messi because of his stats no other player has better stats than ronaldo other than messi
@@captainfalconmain6576ronaldo is also one of the greatest dribblers and playmaker with 270 assists one of the only ten players to have this many assists but Messi is the 🐐 more talented and technical than ronaldo
1. messi played many different roles across multiple different systems at barcelona 2. european international matches are much easier than south american ones due to the high amount of low-ranked countries
@@Dan42069___think he means because in South America you never play really shit nations. Teams like Peru are like top 50. However in Europe you can stat pad games in like nations League and euro qualifiers where you play nations like Lichtenstein malta and San marino but idk whats harder myself
What are those different systems and roles in such a regard it's an argument. And no. It's solely easier to go through the group stage. After that the EC is way and I mean way harder. France, Germany, Italy, Croatia, The Netherlands, Spain, Portugal, England, Belgium and then multiple other teams that are basically at least as strong as every country in SA not named Brazil, Argentina or Uruguay. The EC is way harder. Argentina or Brazil not winning the Copa means they 100% failed. Not winning the EC means other teams might have better teams.
@@Herosennin What's the standard of the EC if third placed teams can qualify for the next round? Most of the time Ronaldo is not playing against France, Germany, Italy, Croatia, Spain, England,etc. On the road to the Euro 2016 he faced....wait for it......Croatia, Poland 🙄, and Wales 🙄. You can't be serious.
Yes, I TOTALLY agree. I've always thought I was the only one who thought the rivalry between Messi and Ronaldo wasnt close. I've always thought Messi was just better.
@@miguelangelgomezgutierrez Messi has the admiration of all European lovers, what are you saying, ask any player about Messi and he will tell you that he is to be feared, that he has respect for him, that he is magical, a genius or he will tell you that he is the GOAT. What's more, you're probably the person with a high profile, being laughed at in the World Cup for never having scored in KO phases or trying to take credit from one of your teammates for a goal that he couldn't even touch with a header.
There's no debate anymore, It's not 2010 when this was a valid question of: "I wonder who'd end up being better when everything is done and said?" We already got an answer and it's clearly Messi. That's why I really think you can very accurately predict if someone has ball knowledge or not based on who they think is better between the two. Not who they like the most, but who they think is a better footballer. There's not a problem liking Ronaldo more than Messi, but saying he is better than Messi is simply and objectively wrong. I mean you can go and check yourselves the stats showed in this video more indepth, and you'll literally see Messi being on top for everything excepting Aerial duels Headers Penalty conversion rate I also want to mention that a certain part of both their fanbases are equally stupid.
I agree except that if you really understand football, by 2010 it was more than obvious that Messi was the better footballer. Nobody thought “oh but maybe Cristiano becomes a great playmaker in 10 years”. In fact the opposite happened. He kept being more and more in the box.
For me its not even about the stats, its about the influence both have in the game Messi is one of if not the smartes player ever, and it isnt just that. The mastery of the ball, the acceleration, the fact that he could get fouled and keep going, his balance, everything For me that is the reason it isnt even close, Ronaldo makes hard stuff, Messi makes hard stuff look easy
Ronaldu makes the impossible look possible, I am a Juventus fan and stunned when Ronaldu carried Real in final match of champions league, he scored 2 goals that was supposed to be not possible for the rest of the players. All Juventus fans 👏 for Ronaldu and Real Madrid while our club was losing
Future generations will know it as the "Messi v Ronaldo Era". People will talk about it for decades until the end of the century. But they can never fully fathom how *unreal* this era truly was
The future generations will only really Ronaldo for the annoying guy who stopped messi from winning 13 ballon dors and 8 champions leagues. In all fairness Ronaldo did really slow down a lot of people from seeing how great Messi really was
@@cr7hd162the only reason ronaldo is this big is because of the crazy amount of man u and real madrid proxy fans around the world. If he played for chelsea and bayern he would be considered a more efficient version of slatan and that’s it.
There has never been such a forced debate, simply by watching each one play you realize the very different level each one is at, with the little man being the biggest of all. 🐐♾️
@@JeffkReina Ronaldo does things that can be done, but he does it more frequently than any other player that isn't Messi. What Messi does is not something people can replicate.
@@Highostrich correction!!! no one can do anything impossible The fact that a human did it means that it’s possible. So Ronaldo and Messi’s legacy can be achieved with a good enough dedication. Also ppl that normally say, “It’s was never a debate” only said that because of recent times and the World Cup of course. But I’ll say that it was actually a debate, at least at that time. If you watched them earlier in their career you would know. Ronaldo made a massive comeback from 1:4 ballon d’ors to 5:5 ballon d’ors. To the point where he almost surpassed Messi if not Modric in 2018. That’s why when I hear ppl saying that it was never a debate I just know that they started watching football recently😂. The truth is that Messi won at the end but as for the debate, it was a very valid debate. Ronaldo really put up a good fight and proved himself a worthy opponent and he’ll always have my respect for that. But I’ll end this by saying, “There’s honor in everything, even in defeat”. I hope you didn’t misunderstand my harmless opinion tho.
Messi the undeniable, undisputed, unquestionable greatest footballer to ever grace the sport. Him leading his country to the summit by way of a World Cup puts the end to this debate, if there ever was one.
Ronaldo's finishing and legendary ball skills are absolutely insane But watching Messi play as a whole, his dribbling and overall quality, is just mesmerising to witness I've never felt so astounded by a football player like Messi (in his prime of course)
@@nikaabuladze3105 really? i dont know anything about basketball but whenever i see the goat debate it always seems like an era thing, like older people will say jordan and younger will say lebron
Fun fact - Messi is the only player to win a major international tournament, finishing as the top goalscorer, top assist provider and the best player in the history of the sport. Also, when he was 29, spanish dictionary added a word in his honour "inmessionante", describing the perfect way to play football or the best player in the world. Somethings don't show on the stats, there was actually never a debate to begin with.
Messi scored 91 goals in ONE YEAR but goals are like 10% of what he does and not why people are left fascinated by him. In fact, MOST of his mind-blowing moments will never appear on a stat sheet😅 His vision, passing, CREATIVITY, creating a goal chance out of NOTHING is absolute insanity. Him winning absolutely with Barcelona and Argentina is just an inevitable result of how much he does for a team 🤷♂
A big reason for people supporting Ronaldo is the fact you saw more of him. in more interviews as he spoke English, had multiple products, did brand deals so was a big marketing target. Whereas Messi is not as commercialised.
Do u wanna know a goofy stat messi scored 91 goals in 2012 but in el classico the biggest match he has 4 goals and ronaldo had 7 amd matches standing were 2 win for barcelona 2 wins for real madrid and 3 draws fellow ronaldo fan do not think these guys are smart they are not they only look at surface level stats that's all they simply another stat ronaldo was at real madrid in that time period ronaldo has better g/a ratio than messi which is messi's prime so idk mybe there's a point in ronaldo being better if u are just a little smart
@@AbhayKarmanyou do realize still has worst head to head than barcelona? messi actually has a faster goal ratio in the ucl but this cr7 fanbase never brings it up 2011-2012 you failed to bring up it took a lot longer for cr7 to even an assist or doing anything or prive anything it took messi a lot less time 1 game never decided an entire season when you fail to prefer an the other games consistently matters people say he didn’t win a trophy is such dumb argument
I love CR7 and he deserves massive respect, but everyone who is neutral and understands something about football knows that Messi is better. It was a media forced debate
I show Messi and Ronaldo highlight to a bunch nobodies as an experiment, everyone loved cr7’s cool tricks, but when Messi came, everyone noticed how dominant he is with his incredible magic and dribbling. The clear winner is obvious in the end…
It’s not a media forced debate. It’s an actual debate. Just because you like Messi more doesn’t mean there’s no debae. and With your logic here , messi seems better when people have a basic understanding of the sport? So if people have a deep understanding that means CR is better right?
@@L7ChristianB Messi in his 5th best season (10/11, 11/12, 12/13, 14/15, 18/19) was a better player than CR7 in his best season when you look at the performance p90 and there is a consens among coaches that Messi is the best of his generation - that says it all. The stats say Messi is better and the eye-test says Messi is better. It's okay if you like CR7 more, but Messi is the better player from an objective point of view
@@ModernFootball866 you are basing why you think messi is better based on stats you deem to be what determines what is the goat. Anyone could do that, that’s why there is a debate. I can pick Ronaldo as the goat for various reasons of my own, hence why the debate exists. I can say everything that Ronaldo did better than Messi, in regards to UCL, goal scoring, leagues and base that goat in that. So it’s silly if you to say something is objective when it’s obviously subjective.
@@L7ChristianB If you look at the bigger picture and analyze the whole data, there is no way you can see CR7 is the better player - that's why the "debate" exists only among fanboys and people who don't know much about football, bcs everyone who is neutral and understands something about football knows that Messi is better and the facts back it up. You couldn't make a case for CR7 based in facts, it's just the emotional connection to him and the fact that you like him more
Anyone who ever entertained the 'debate' hasn't a clue what they're watching. Messi, the greatest creator of all time, has a better goal record than everyone in the last 40 years (at least). That defies logic.
Messi fans potray themselves as saints But at the end of day they want to argue with the ones who say "wc was rigged" As a Ronaldo fan even before messi won wc he was GOAT of football But I still idolize ronaldo and thats a diff thing
My preference goes to Ronaldo because I like the effort and determination he puts into physical work. It doesn’t stop me from accepting Messi is a genius
Take any 2nd second division striker, put him in front of a 1 billion dollar madrid team, tell him to camp in box all game, give him all penalty and offside, hype up everything he does and you will have prime Cristiano but you will never recreate prime messi.
lets just spit the facts here ronaldo need 5 skills to dribble one player messi needs 1 skill to dribble 5 players tell me this is not facts. what a beautiful play created by messi with just one skill
Second best for me is Johan Cruyff, because of his influence on the pitch. He was probably the most intellectual player in terms of football iq. He was the Player to play in most complicated System(Total Football). At least to get near to that and he was the one why this System was functionated.(Example 1974 WC)... And of course the greatest player of all time is Messi. No debate.
@@CastleMati Another point most of messi fans come from South America and Latin America , but Ronaldo fans are mostly Arabs and Indians who support Ronaldo for his money fame support to Palestine yada yada
Messi destroyed English teams any time they met. Facts. “Messi have never had to adapt” - Messi have played as a winger, false 9, number 9 and an 8. All at the same time at times. And don’t get me started on the teammates. He have had to put up with Martin Braithwaite, Kevin Boateng, Paulinho, Samuel Umtiti, , Munir, Deolofeu, Rafinha, Sergi Roberto, Sandro and a bunch of other below mediocre players and have not complained even once. He played many years without both Xavi and Iniesta and made every single player around him better. Messi’s ability to adapt is far more impressive than Ronaldo who joined an already winning United, a clear Real Madrid (on paper but still lost 9 out of 11 la liga titles) and a dominating Juventus in Italy. Ronaldo plays for himself and he would never join a team that wasn’t already completed.
Take away all the stats, titles, trophies and honors for both and then you'll see how much better Messi just is. Even at 37, he's still a lethal footballer. The same can't be said for Ronaldo who has been on a decline. He relied on his speed and power so much and age just catched up. While Leo evolved. He knew speed and those team killing water strider dribblings won't do him good if he overusues it, so he became a playmaker. But when he needs to dribble past multiple opponents in a flash, he does it flawlessly. Leo's vision also became better with age. His pinpoint passing with those vision plus his football intelligence, all that made him even more dangerous without even running much. And he inspires everyone playing with him. What I'm trying to say is Leo is just light-years ahead of everyone else.
If you compare Cristiano Ronaldo to Luis Suarez stats you are going to get a surprise. Suarez in g+a ratio is superior. If you discount penalties for both players Suarez ratio is vastly superior as he never was the main penalty taker of his teams. Cristiano Ronaldo is in the same category as Luis Suarez, Lewandowski or Angel Di Maria. Messi is above that.
Clearly false. And ur just hating for no reason. U can't compare the player with the most goals in the HISTORY OF THE FUCKING SPORT to those players. The fact that he has more goals proves he's better. People trust him more to give him those opportunities.
Kinda sad how Ronaldo has just become so shameless as to shame on and hate on Messi time and time again, really puts a damper on his relationship with Messi.
The only reason this debate even exists is media PR… because there is no way shape or form you’re comparing a Playmaker and a Goal-scorer (who is also an insane dribbler) to a goal scorer.
@@maaaaaap You’re right ronaldo WAS a great dribbler but he wasn’t even on Hazard’s level. You’re right he provided assists but they are no where near the efficiency or look as good as Messi’s assists.
Both are great. They kind of made everyone love and care football. I am a fan of both but deep down Messi is something else. I doubt we will ever see a player like messi. I still remember those messi false 9 moments in 2011-12, abnormal playmaking in 2015, the most complete player who single-handedly fought everyone in 2019 and a leader in 2022.
Instead of saying Messi vs Ronaldo, its making more sense to talk about how Ronaldo somehow competed with an alien for 20 years. Hats off to Ronaldo to playing his heart out against the greatest talent of all time.
They are both dedicated to there craft and super talented but in different ways, Ronaldo is far more genetically gifted than Messi, but Messi has a more gifted brain what allows him to be more creative and achieve a higher level of perfection
The fact that proves messi's superiority is that even though the stats lean towards him the stats dont justify his performance completely. While ronaldo has a very little to offer aside stats
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Never thought i would watch a 10 min video of Phil Foden in a Burnley kit talking about Messi and Ronaldo
Yeah Phil Foden has some good stats this year,7 goals in 27 games,2 assists with man city,so maybe he might get ballon dor 2024 and legacy like messi and ronaldo. Whats ur thought?
@@shivammange4143i think u misunderstood the comment
@@shivammange4143 what?
I know i was just kidding man😂😂😂😂😂😂relax
@@shivammange4143if you’re kidding, be funny then.
To throw my two cents in I think we all should accept Teemu Pukki as the de facto goat since his name literally translates to goat in Finnish.
Debate settled 😤
The only correct answer in the GOAT debate
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I disagree.
Its a shame you people have forgotten about Lord Bendtner. The only true king of football.
I can agree to that
True football fans love both players and appreciate their greatness.
I agree
@@Vizeh agree on what??😂😂They were never equal.Its social media and the ballondor award that made this a big thing
@@THEoneandonlystika you are exactly the opposite of what he described
@@THEoneandonlystikawdym "agree on what"? Is reading too hard for you? Take it one word at a time buddy
@@THEoneandonlystika people like you are exactly what makes this debate so toxic, go troll somewhere else kid
The fact that Messi has 100 more MOTM with 100 less games shows how much better player messi is.
Nuh uh my new videos proves ronaldo better
Messi >>>>penaldo😂😂@@Paradox_AMpremium
@@Paradox_AMpremiumagreed
@@Paradox_AMpremium Messi>Ronaldo (overall stats)
@@Paradox_AMpremiumwho tf are you?
I’ve been a die hard Messi fan since early middle school. The stuff Messi has done is nothing short of magical. I don’t hate CR7 but Messi has this way of making you question what you just saw.
Bro just watch young skillful cr7, despite being a player of hight stature and hight center of mass unlike Messi,he was still incredibly skillfully with the ball.
@@ShauryaSingh-tn8etBro is 1.87m, not Peter Crouch or Jan Koller.
His dribbling was impressive all by himself, not because hes taller than average.
And yes he was effective - comparatively
I still how the f*ck cristiano scored that free kick vs arsenal, ong ranger vs porto just to name a few. So that logic doesn't make sense. U like messi so u think that
His passing is truly insane, just that alone is out of this world
CR7 pushed human body limit, Messi pushed our brain limit.
managing less than 120 minutes per goal over your ENTIRE career is insane bro.
doing that in in your peak years alone is mad, but 2 players doing that over 2 decades is hard to wrap my mind around.
That's why this years ballon d'or race is a little underwhelming. The numbers just aren't the same man 😭
Very true
@@kip7028i feel bad for kids who haven’t witnessed the greatest of these 2 legends😭 these guys are the definition of “ Overpowered by Day 1”
Some fanbase are not gonna like this video
I prefer not to speak
Haven’t finished the video but penaldo fan girls are gonna go crazy
@@TheCommentor- mate im Messi fan
@@TheCommentor-why you gotta say penaldo for what he did to you 😂
Let them. 😂😂😂😂
ronaldo fans do more damage to ronaldo than messi fans
true
So true
Total nonsense.
Because there all toxic Real Madrid fans😂😂
@@coreym1797 lol actual Spanish Madrid fans don’t care that much about Ronaldo it’s mostly Indians and Arabs
Messi vs Ronaldo didn’t really become a thing until CR7 went to Madrid. Meaning that the debate was more about Barca vs Madrid.
Yeah, the debate already started when they met second time on UCL final. At the time people are choosing Ronaldo for his balon dor achievement and trophies at 2008. But now it's getting even bigger when Messi won 4th balon dor and Ronaldo move to Madrid
Media made it for clicks and views. All for it to culminate in Ronaldo becoming a crazy cult leader saying anything stupid and his followers eating it up 😂
yes because you cant compare performances in different leagues the same way, but it doesnt tell anything about who is better. like nobody really cares about who's the best in the world right now because the contenders play in different leagues
@@cbust10 ronaldo has had some dumb takes but it's just as dumb of a take to claim that "the media" made the rivalry
Chill with the revisionist history. Messi and CR7 were already rivals from the latter's days in Man U.
We kept pushing each other.
-Cristiano Ronaldo
100%
I don't need anybody to push me I push myself
- Cristiano Ronaldo
he keeps contradicting himself
he said that?@@BiggestBirdonMars
Ronaldo is obsessed with Messi and has an inferiority complex. Messi doesn't give a fuck about him.
“Basketballs a close second”
Literally a second later
“Nothing comes close”
I heard it too 😂 but it kinda makes sense. A close second means obviously second after football, but nothing comes close is about the intensity.
@@giftstephens7205arent fighting sports or rugby more intense?
@@kiboma4209 just.... wow. I do not have words
Ronaldo does things and you say wow, messi does something and you say how!
this... is literally.
wait
how did u get that explanation- :0
real
Yet nobody did Ronaldo's bicycle kick, 40 yard free kick and 2.93m header 😮
@@ShahromUKRooney and bales bicycle >>>>>>>
@@ShahromUKalso Juninho has done that, Messi has more long shot goals too 😂😂
The Ronaldo the hard worker vs Messi the talent has got to be the most reductionist narrative in football. People forget just how much of a talent Ronaldo is. There's no young talent on the face of the earth that even touches his level at his age.
Amen! Just because you see more of Ronaldo doing the work doesn't mean Messi isn't putting in the same amount of work. How would he have become a freekick specialist without putting in the hours? This is just a simple example. It's ridiculous of people to think Ronaldo is putting more hours in and Messi is doing nothing. No one can be at this level without a crazy work ethic.
@@Marco-jc4zxwhile I do agree that messi definitely trains and works hard but to say that he works as hard as ronaldo is just obscene. Every teammate ronaldo's played with has talked his dedication to training and perfecting his craft and how obsessed he is at being the best. And that simple fact to me proves that he's the harder worker
@@Bruhi7that does not reduce the impact his talent plays or the sheer amount of it, or vice versa for Messi.
As OP said, it's the most reductionist narrative and it is quite annoying to see sometimes.
Let’s not act like Ronaldo was some century talent like Messi was, Ronaldo was super talented for sure, but compared to players like Rooney, or Neymar he’s pretty mediocre in terms of talent. His mentality bolstered his talent to put him above those two.
Wrong cr7 was extremely talented he was just very raw . You can say they were more develop at younger age flr world level but his talent was on their level @@Susanoo1016
Man, some people still talk about the rivalry between the two and the longetivity is insane. Mad, mad respect. The fact that Messi and Ronaldo are still being spoken of and some in Ballon D'Or contention despite Mbappe and Haaland being at that age where the two (Messi and Ronaldo) won their first (of many) Ballon D'Or is just mad.
"Basketballs a CLOSE second but nothing comes CLOSE to Messi and Ronaldo" 😂😂 gotta love Vizeh
Still more fun and harder to learn tho😂
Some Ronaldo fans are so salty about Messi’s World Cup win that they tried to just end the debate acting like they both are equal and just as great as each other
pretty much
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yeah first they said who wins the 2022 wc is the goat and then they said both are equal but when the euros came they said if Ronaldo win it hes the goat and now its back to saying they are both equal
mabye they would actually accpet messi is better if the qatar wc wasnt the most rigged thing in the history of sports
Also they always say Messi rigged the world cup to make him look bad.EXample:adeskits161
Saying messi hasnt adapted his playing style is wild 😂 and show's who has and hasnt watched his games
dude he went to a billion dollar team and didnt win anything
What are you talking about???? Thats nonsense mate @@oj6633
@@oj6633won the World Cup 🤷♂️
@@MM-jc7uvdidnt know FC Argentina is a billion dollar squad
@@oj6633he was there for like 2 seasons and got 2 titles
I don't hate Ronaldo but I HATE these annoying Ronaldo Fanboys
i agree
They are mostly kids from India and other Arab countries who support Ronaldo because of his brand and because he supports Palestine
@@NoahMills-g4l I am from India and I can approve you... They literally think having more Instagram followers, Height, RUclips followers means being the goat of football.
And I hate stupid pessi fans
@JamesIbizugbe-wh9uo I hate 38°C 😭😭😭
To me Messi all day but I still appreciate Ronaldo and his achievements. He deserves respect and his flowers. What these guy has done in their careers will never be forgotten
mate please learn english you are giving me a chronic headache
@@theviper542 at least u understood what he said, cornball
@@bonaventuretindin8494 i didn't understand a damn thing mate you must be even more stupid than him to understand that and think that I understood it too if I did I never would have commented
Messi never played against San Marino, Gibraltar, Liechtenstein, Moldova, Malta, Andorra, Lithuania, Latvia, Faroe Islands, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Cyprus, Estonia, Kosovo, Belarus, Armenia, Luxembourg etc regularly. Otherwise he would've 250+ international goals by now. South American Qualifiers are the most difficult one.
True the last time Messi played against Estonia he banged 5 goals in a single game
@@xeronyx0001at the age of 35 too
@@xeronyx0001at 35 when he had no pace
Imagine him playing against them in his prime like ronaldo did
When I see takes like this, I realise how stupid and jealous some people are. If ronaldo didn’t score, you’d be like: he’s so shit he can’t score vs those teams. So basically you have an agenda whereby whatever the outcome, you will still shit on him. If Ronaldo was 5”7, shy and not outspoken, you’d be singing his praises because that’s what you relate to. You can hate him as a person but you cannot shit on his legacy. Simple
@@08BostonCeltics1it's not about personality you are making that on your own head
Messi is better
And if he plays against weak European team he will score more than Ronaldo ❤
While I am a die hard Ronaldo fan. I know that you cannot even deny Messi’s career as being the greatest anyone has ever witnessed. I’ll always rep Ronaldo because of the memories he was instrumental in creating for me and other Madridistas. But Messi’s career is so perfect, he has won everything he could win being the best player almost every single time. Who can debate that?
It’s not the greatest mate only reason he even has a career is cuz of drugs
@@Dan42069___ Come on man 🤣
@@Dan42069___ i did growth hormones just like messi and i don´t have a gram of his talent and not even near being a pro football player, shut the f up
Messi didn't do well for psg tho.. he got carried by Barca, while Ronaldo is on his own, proving himself in every team..
cant deny messi's greatness in barca tho
@@shairis2007 HAHHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHHA, where was ronaldo against portugal?
Messi just won the 2023 Player of The Year Award as voted by fellow players and coaches
Several of Ronaldo's former teammates voted for Messi
....and we all know he didn't deserve it
not true these players represent the country they did not vote themself
@@jacobalexander4167u don't know better than football professionals
and we all know he didnt deserve it
@@kio7596omg these excuses are so lame
Its simple really
Stats - Messi
Trophies - Messi
Individual awards - Messi
Eye Test - Messi
This is easily the most forced debate of all time. its not even remotely close
i agree
Stats? I need proof, trophies and awards don't mean much, when they aren't deserved
@BakrIkhmaiesMessi Has more assists and more Goals in European Club football,so top 5 leagues etc in way less Games lmao. "Undeserved" Argument is Just bs.
@BakrIkhmaiesyeah that’s why you actually watch the tournaments and the games instead of farming highlights, whole point of the eye test
@BakrIkhmaies only in goalscoring is ronaldo close to messi. and even then messi has 60 less goals in 200 less games, with 50 less penalties, while taking 2000 less shot attempts and noy being able to be a target man on corners/crosses cus of his height. he also has the most free kick goals and outside the box goals while playing 200 less games.
if there was a debate, it should be about who the better goalscorer is, not player. it would actually be a fun debate
it is not even fucking close.I dont know how people still can compare them
It’s so funny that people say this while, Messi robbed 3 ballondors 2021 2019 and 2010 while Ronaldo deserved all his ballondors and got robbed one
@@Eni22qso it’s robbed when messi wins it and not for for ronaldo go watch a different sports
@@Eni22q yeah keep believing that
@@Kidnamedfinger31he’s really got brainwashed
@@Eni22qJust because ronaldo or the player you got brainwashed into thinking played better than messi didn’t win the ballon it doesn’t mean it’s rigged
There is no debate, just an obsession for Ronaldo fans, but they are worlds away. Messi is just the best in history, while Ronaldo is a great player
Yup
no
what d you mean there's no debate? have you visited the internet in the last 20 years? why do some pro footballers say that ronaldo is the greatest, are they just obsessed? you must know so much more about football than them
saying theres no debate under a video titled messi v ronaldo???
Messi only won the world cup because of the questionable penalties he got which is suspicious 🤔🤔🤔
as a ronaldo fan, I agree messi is the goat in football, but the reason so many people like ronaldo is the fact that he is very hardworking and a inspirational, motivational person, his story is inspiring and he is a perfect role model to achieve greatness.
True 👍
I think you're not fan of CR7. You're just disguised one
@@FilmShowBD He is speaking facts
im a cr7 fan since 2013 bro, i even used to say he is the goat until messi proved he is capable of winning international trophies, he has the world cup and at the end of the day he has every single trophy and most ballon dors @@FilmShowBD
@@FilmShowBD Why? I can be a Neymar fan but I know Pele is better
How it's instantly obvious how Messi is the much better team player.
yep
We’ve been spoiled! There will never another pair like Messi and Ronaldo. They drove the game (and each other) to new, dizzying heights!
We were blessed
They will be plenty ronaldos bruh😂…
He doesn’t do anything beyond normal on the pitch…
But messi??!
Nahhh
@@ojvic7297 Really lol ? your telling there won't be another player who gets 6 penalties in 8 world cup matches ? 😂😂😂😂
@@DimaHowick-p3z
Yeah..
Cos messi owns football…
Only him can set a worldcup competition for himself …
Messi runs football.😕
Your crying goat is beneath him..😂
@@ojvic7297Nah man both ronaldo and messi own football
@@ojvic7297there will be more ronaldo sure (some say mbappe is the next cr7) but to have both messi and ronaldo at the same time is what makes their career truly special
Remove all Man Utd, Real Madrid and Barca fans from a worldwide poll and it will be overwhelmingly in favour of Messi.
True. I am a Bayarn Fan & I accept Messi is the GOAT🐐
@@kwhall true it’s not close
I am a man city fan and ronaldo is the goat!!!!
One of the best rivalry of all time 🐐👽
THE best rivalry in history
one of lol.
Messi won.
The Messi vs Ronaldo debate is made up by Ronaldo fans. There shouldn't be a debate
Looking back at the career of Messi and everything he has shown and done on the pitch, what he has produced in output and won on top of all that, there is no shame in Ronaldo coming 2nd to such an alien.
Cr7 however has shown and set a blueprint to all aspiring footballers that may not be gifted as much in ability as their peers that among magicians in the game you can still through sheer hard work, dedication and winning mentality, take yourself into the conversation amongst the greatest. He will always be admired as the best role model and a personal goat for those reasons for many people…
Of course Ronaldo also had the talent and Messi had the mentality, but what clearly stood out and is most known about the two is Messi’s outstanding ability which is down to his natural football genius and Ronaldo’s clutch performances be it finals or other big games… which is down to his outstanding mentality, drive and determination of winning whilst having an extreme bitter hate to lose…
very well said 👍
Thank you for your take on this debate lad❤
@yusufchagtai5542
Well put....but please revisit that clutch, big game and final part. This is one aspect of Ronaldo that people seem to simply assume.
@@okwyunams8439 I really hope you’re joking…
@yusufchagtai5542
See that's exactly the point. I'm certainly not joking. Give me examples that come to mind as to why Ronaldo is remembered as a big game player above someone like Messi for instance.
its the most forced debate of all time the answer is so obvious , its so funny messi litterally had to win world cup to end it for good
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Funny thing is that if cristiano won the world cup and messi didnt, Messi would still be the better footballer by a distance
Lol,The blind zero ball knowledge fans are still arguing tho.Messi ended this debate back in the early 2010s
Even without the stat's Messi is clearly better. Ronaldo never affected and brought up his team the way Messi did. Messi did everything from scoring, assisting, and playmaking.while Ronaldo only scored and sometimes assisted.
Whats your country bro?
There is no way in hell madrid were wining 3 ucl back to back without Ronaldo
Bro has negative ball knowledge.😂
@@Baller24992He is right but Ronaldo did affect the team with his clutch but he does only score goals and his influence other than goals is limited and he sometimes assist but Ronaldo comes in clutch.
@@Messi_47758 he is not. Ronaldo has affected every team he has played in. The disrespect is unreal. Just respect both goats.
For people mentioning messi played in only one league, maldini played for one club isn't he considered the greatest defender of all time
Pele, Messi, CR7, Og Ronaldo, Alex de Souza, Maradona, Cruyff, and more. All these players have contributed so much to this game, and I hope for more players like them.
Alex de Souza
so underrated
great shout
I feel awful for the fact I’ve not really heard of Alex de Souza at all
@@Vizeh I’m English, but he is like Fenerbahce greatest ever player. Different on the eye and amazing stats to back it up.
if he was more fortunate in his career with transfers and coaches he could’ve been an all time great.
@@Vizeh legend who’s career was ruined by the manager of Fenerbache who was also their top scorer. He scored 5 goals in a game at the end of the Brazilian league season to equal a record set by R9.
Alex de Souza is one of my favorite players of all time, he is a Cruzeiro legend
See its usually younger kids, those more naive and still growing that really idolise ronaldo because of the image he build around himself but when they start growing up start to mature they start to appreciate how insane messi stats and achievements are in comparison
I don’t think this is true, at least from where I come from. Two of the schools i’ve seen, a lot of people say Messi. I personally think Ronaldo is better but both are arguable. I respect both of them for being the best at the sport.
Bro this is the most true thing I’ve read today. From 2017 I was a Ronaldo fan and I always didn’t care for Messi games . But know that I have opened my eyes Messi is truly the greatest
@@fatimasalem5325 same. It's bcz Ronaldo has insane PR
@@fatimasalem5325 so true
That's literally my brother who idolised Ronaldo because of his body and physique but as he grown up he realized how insane messi was now he is Messi fan
Both are legends, and I’m glad I witnessed both of them in my lifetime. Both are amazing people as well, they might’ve made mistakes in the past, but they’re both a good example of determination and honesty.
Determination yes, honesty? No. They’re both Tax frauds and well… Ronaldo wasn’t allowed in the US for years because of his actions.
@chardy8683 Everyone evades taxes, especially rich people in countries with high rates. Neither Messi nor Ronaldo do their own accounting, and they probably don't know shit about taxes either.
@@chardy8683lol if you had any money you’d do the same. But i guess we’ll never find out, because you have a loser’s mindset, all bitterness and helplessness.
@@chardy8683tax fraud is awesome 🎉
Ronaldo isn't a legend without the World Cup. How is one a legend without winning the pinnacle of all trophies
As a Ronaldo fan, I have to admit Messi is better than him. His playmaking and on field ability is just unbelievable like you can just look at one of his dribbles you’ll just be shocked. If you don’t agree, the stats speak for themselves
I don't know why fans are so obsessed with stats. They clearly do not watch football but just use social media. If you actually watch football, anyone who says that CR7 is a better footballer than Messi is delusional. It is a fact.
The thing about stats is that Messi still has the greatest stats of any footballer in history. That's why it baffles me when people try to use that to argue for Ronaldo
@shepardice3775 yup true, but in summary Messi is a faster version of Maradona with Pele's goalscoring numbers and Zidane's playmaking abilities
it's a fact that people who think their opinions are facts are dumb
@@maaaaaap that makes u dum
@@MacGamer10because stats are the best thing on the planet
no one will ever be able to measure Messi's talent with statistics and awards, he's off the charts every time😚😎🐐
I agree, and still, he beats them all also in stats.
Messi has only played in 1 top league (la liga) and 2 B leagues, Ronaldo has played in 3 top leagues and 2 B leagues so he was up against harder competition through out his career
@@JackV-tw8bw funny cause he said Serie A was dead when i arrived and he brought it back alive. Humble comments as always…
Cristiano went to the top team on every of those top leagues. Being the best player has nothing to do with playing different leagues. It’s about the way they play. The world of football agrees almost unanimously that Messi is the best player. You’re fighting against experts and professionals for a personal taste bias.
@@Martinbal126 ah yes because Messi didn't go to the top team in France did he
@@JackV-tw8bw he did, but nobody ever used the argument of playing in different leagues. Cristiano was fueled by excuses his whole career. Different leagues, leader personality, “messi cant win with Argentina” and stuff like that. The reality has always been that Messi was a far superior player if you understand football. Cristiano had a great and impressive run given his inferior talent, but at the end you can’t hide the truth. Their ends of careers make sense. Cristiano is salty cause he believed the lie for years and Messi ended up on top of the world, with almost the entire football world at his feet.
Cristina is a just a goal scorer, whereas Messi is an absolutely complete footballer- best playmaker, best dribbler, best free kick taker, best goal scorer, best passer, best teammate, best captain in the clubs and national teams! Messi is the GOAT🐐⚽️
ronaldo is everything more than a goal scorer
The stats say Messi
the trophies say Messi
the awards say Messi
visually its clearly Messi
ability wise whether its
goalscoring
playmaking
passing
ball control
assisting
shooting
finishing
free kicks
all say Messi
yet there is still a debate and thats only because the media created it
Stats? Unfair taking into account that Messi always played in the Spanish Laliga and when he left, he went to a minor league like the one in France, Ronaldo played in the 3 big leagues and only when he was 38 did he go to a minor league, it is more difficult to get statistics at the best level.
Trophies? The same as the previous point, Messi has won in his greatest successes: World Cup, Copa America, LaLiga, Champions League, Club World Cup, Uefa Super Cup.
Ronaldo: Euro Cup, Champions League, Club World Cup, UEFA Super Cup, LaLiga but also the Premier League (The Most Competitive of All Leagues) and Serie A (The Most Defensive Ligue) not to mention that Ronaldo won all his titles being the best Unlike Messi, he won a champions league, being irrelevant (2006), two leagues in Spain and one in France the same, as well 2 super cups, but that is something irrelevant.
Awards: It's almost the same thing, difference in leagues, difference in getting awards, more difficult.
Goalscoring? Ronaldo is better
Shooting? Ronaldo is better
Finishing? Ronaldo is better
Free kicks? Ronaldo and Messi are in the same level
@@FabrizioTapia-kt5mrListen now. Lets all agree. The biggest argument Ronaldo fans have is "but ronaldo is a better goalscorer" like bro,Messi litterally scores more goals per game. And that's not even talking about all the assists and chances he provides. Like Ronaldo fans are straight up delusional and most of Ronaldo fans i know dont even watch football. Even Ronaldo fans deep down know Messi is better but don't show it,because they cant stand it,they just cant. Messi is the GOAT,and Ronaldo is the only player in the last decade that has even came close to him. So now people are trying to make controversy saying Ronaldo is better but in reality.Messi is the GOAT,and Ronaldo is second,then everyone else.And Ronaldo fans like to say "oh well but he has great mentality" like are you guys that delusional? He HAD great mentality now he likes breaking kids phones,leaving the stadium early when his team is losing and disrespecting an entire club. No player is more important than an entire club,no matter how great the player is. Club comes first,then coach,then the players.And keep in mind i said PLAYERS,not Ronaldo specifically. Because all players are equal,no player should be allowed something the others arent allowed to do. For example: Not coming to training. And a lot of people are attacking Erik Ten Hag when in reality Manchester United has been better since Ten Hag,and thats a fact. You wanna know why? Because he treats all players equally. And someone selfish like Ronaldo is angry that he doesnt get privilege now.. So basically,Ten Hag proved the point "Manager is always more important thsn player,no matter how great a player may be,the coach comes first."
Let me end this on a quote
"Ronaldo needs other players to provide for him and get him chances to score,but Messi can dictate an entire game for his club",and that's the main difference.
Messi is the undisputed G.O.A.T 🐐.
@@Zigoeditz
I never said that being the best scorer is an argument, even so, does it seem somewhat irrelevant to you to be the top scorer in history? It is a great argument but not the only one. Are you seriously saying that Messi is a better scorer by 0.06 of better Average? It must be a joke hahaha,
bro, you're replying to my message and I never said "oh well but he has great mentality", Go answer that to someone else who has written or said it hahaha
Ten Hag proved the point "Manager is always more important thsn player,no matter how great a player may be,the coach comes first."
-A Messi kid 🤣🤣😂😂
Ten Hag with United:
-Spend 100 million on a fidget spinner that never does anything
-He has problems with Ronaldo for missing training due to his daughter's hospitalization, he is removed from the team and he signs Weghorst
-Lose 3-0 with Sevilla (12th place in the Spanish league)
-Does not renew De Gea, a pillar of the team, the goalkeeper with the most clean sheets in the premier 22-23
-Spend 55 million on Onana (he received 2 goals per game)
And this is only in its first season, do you really think that Ten Hag was right?
"Ronaldo needs other players to provide for him and get him chances to score, but Messi can dictate an entire game for his club", and that's the main difference.
-The same Messi kid
Ronaldo literally the scorer of all his titles except 4, Messi has one champions being useless, two Spanish leagues and one French league also being irrelevant.
Apart from always having better companions.
@@FabrizioTapia-kt5mr listen, Penaldo kid, however you compare them two Messi is better, name ONE thing Ronaldo is better at, since Messi is better at:
Stats
Eye test
Titles
And many more things...
@@Zigoeditz chill bro HAHAHAHA
Stats?
Titles?
Explain your arguments, i listen you
if you want on discord
Personally I don't think it's even a debate. Messi is head and shoulders above anyone to ever kick a ball.
I’ve probably watched 90-95% of Messi’s matches. I’ve run out of ways to describe him long ago. His footballing ability is ineffable. Without a doubt the GOAT!
i remember watching his goal against bilbao in 2015 copa del ray final and thought it was a normal goal BECAUSE IT WAS A NORMAL THING FOR MESSI , looking back now i dont know how i didnt realise i just witnessed one of the greatests goals of all time
Magical Messi, that's how you describe him.😊
Not even close to Pelé
@@marioauditore2859 pele is an overkill
di stefano is enough
@@marioauditore2859 head and shoulders above pele
I was once a CR7 diehard fan when he played for Real Madrid under Mourinho because I love Mourinho, but currently a diehard fan of Messi…I enjoyed your submissions but I must add that CR7 isn’t too far behind Messi…Of course Messi is from a different planet, but CR7 is not too far behind, at least in some statistical sense…Messi is the GOAT no doubt , but CR7 is closer than we give him credit for…For more than 15 years, these two tornadoes terrorized everything on their path during games..We must always remember that before choosing one or the other….They are the living legends of the game…
not far behind 200 less man of matches match thsn messi 100 less assists saying not far behind is dramatic you do realize cr7 fails to even dribble as good as messi you clearly were bias here and didn’t think very well
God these Messi and Ronaldo fanboys are insufferable
@@captainfalconmain6576bro ronaldo is not as good as Messi in dribbling but ronaldo in his first 361 games scored 126 goals and after 900 games he has scored 916 which is crazy. Messi is the goat but no one is stopping Messi from playing more matches. Playing more just shows your longevity.
@@captainfalconmain6576ronaldo is 100 percent the second greatest footballer after Messi because of his stats no other player has better stats than ronaldo other than messi
@@captainfalconmain6576ronaldo is also one of the greatest dribblers and playmaker with 270 assists one of the only ten players to have this many assists but Messi is the 🐐 more talented and technical than ronaldo
They truly are special. Messi and Ronaldo. Two Legends ...
1. messi played many different roles across multiple different systems at barcelona
2. european international matches are much easier than south american ones due to the high amount of low-ranked countries
😂😂
As a Colombian, playing in Europe as a Portuguese is way harder, most South American national teams are not competent whatsoever
@@Dan42069___think he means because in South America you never play really shit nations. Teams like Peru are like top 50. However in Europe you can stat pad games in like nations League and euro qualifiers where you play nations like Lichtenstein malta and San marino but idk whats harder myself
What are those different systems and roles in such a regard it's an argument.
And no. It's solely easier to go through the group stage. After that the EC is way and I mean way harder.
France, Germany, Italy, Croatia, The Netherlands, Spain, Portugal, England, Belgium and then multiple other teams that are basically at least as strong as every country in SA not named Brazil, Argentina or Uruguay.
The EC is way harder. Argentina or Brazil not winning the Copa means they 100% failed. Not winning the EC means other teams might have better teams.
@@Herosennin What's the standard of the EC if third placed teams can qualify for the next round? Most of the time Ronaldo is not playing against France, Germany, Italy, Croatia, Spain, England,etc. On the road to the Euro 2016 he faced....wait for it......Croatia, Poland 🙄, and Wales 🙄. You can't be serious.
Yes, I TOTALLY agree. I've always thought I was the only one who thought the rivalry between Messi and Ronaldo wasnt close. I've always thought Messi was just better.
Your absolutely right brother.
Because you are delulu
@@miguelangelgomezgutierrez nah Ronaldo fans are the delusional ones
@@digitail4000 ok person who's idol is Europe's laughing matter since 2015
@@miguelangelgomezgutierrez Messi has the admiration of all European lovers, what are you saying, ask any player about Messi and he will tell you that he is to be feared, that he has respect for him, that he is magical, a genius or he will tell you that he is the GOAT. What's more, you're probably the person with a high profile, being laughed at in the World Cup for never having scored in KO phases or trying to take credit from one of your teammates for a goal that he couldn't even touch with a header.
They hated him because he told the truth 😂
There's no debate anymore, It's not 2010 when this was a valid question of:
"I wonder who'd end up being better when everything is done and said?"
We already got an answer and it's clearly Messi.
That's why I really think you can very accurately predict if someone has ball knowledge or not based on who they think is better between the two. Not who they like the most, but who they think is a better footballer. There's not a problem liking Ronaldo more than Messi, but saying he is better than Messi is simply and objectively wrong.
I mean you can go and check yourselves the stats showed in this video more indepth, and you'll literally see Messi being on top for everything excepting
Aerial duels
Headers
Penalty conversion rate
I also want to mention that a certain part of both their fanbases are equally stupid.
I agree except that if you really understand football, by 2010 it was more than obvious that Messi was the better footballer. Nobody thought “oh but maybe Cristiano becomes a great playmaker in 10 years”. In fact the opposite happened. He kept being more and more in the box.
ronaldo fans in a nutshell over the debate:
Rigged
Robbed
Better goalscorer
Ucl
I would say more than 50% of Ronaldo fans doesn’t watch football
Literally
There's more arguments for Ronaldo being the goat, and I understand, however for me, on the pitch it's messi outside the pitch it's Ronaldo
how can you forget the classic ronaldo fanboy argument “one club wonder”?
@@HalaMadridParaSiempre yes ronaldo is a superstar with pride and ego while messi is just a passionate footballer doing what he loves
@@HalaMadridParaSiempre 🤡 more arguments?
it was never really a debate. ronaldo is an absolute beast but with all due respect hes not even close to messi and the goat status
For me its not even about the stats, its about the influence both have in the game
Messi is one of if not the smartes player ever, and it isnt just that. The mastery of the ball, the acceleration, the fact that he could get fouled and keep going, his balance, everything
For me that is the reason it isnt even close, Ronaldo makes hard stuff, Messi makes hard stuff look easy
Ronaldu makes the impossible look possible, I am a Juventus fan and stunned when Ronaldu carried Real in final match of champions league, he scored 2 goals that was supposed to be not possible for the rest of the players. All Juventus fans 👏 for Ronaldu and Real Madrid while our club was losing
Some Ronaldo fans saying without CR7 the Portugal team is trash,like come on ! Football is a team game ,doesn’t matter if you carried or get carried
Future generations will know it as the "Messi v Ronaldo Era". People will talk about it for decades until the end of the century. But they can never fully fathom how *unreal* this era truly was
The future generations will only really Ronaldo for the annoying guy who stopped messi from winning 13 ballon dors and 8 champions leagues. In all fairness Ronaldo did really slow down a lot of people from seeing how great Messi really was
@@Jokerxeno1That is completely false saying Ronaldo would only been known as a guy who try to stop messi is disrespect to what Ronaldo has achieved
@@cr7hd162the only reason ronaldo is this big is because of the crazy amount of man u and real madrid proxy fans around the world. If he played for chelsea and bayern he would be considered a more efficient version of slatan and that’s it.
There has never been such a forced debate, simply by watching each one play you realize the very different level each one is at, with the little man being the biggest of all. 🐐♾️
Average kid who started watching football in 2018😂
@@JeffkReina Ronaldo does things that can be done, but he does it more frequently than any other player that isn't Messi.
What Messi does is not something people can replicate.
@@Highostrich correction!!!
no one can do anything impossible
The fact that a human did it means that it’s possible. So Ronaldo and Messi’s legacy can be achieved with a good enough dedication. Also ppl that normally say, “It’s was never a debate” only said that because of recent times and the World Cup of course.
But I’ll say that it was actually a debate, at least at that time. If you watched them earlier in their career you would know. Ronaldo made a massive comeback from 1:4 ballon d’ors to 5:5 ballon d’ors. To the point where he almost surpassed Messi if not Modric in 2018.
That’s why when I hear ppl saying that it was never a debate I just know that they started watching football recently😂.
The truth is that Messi won at the end but as for the debate, it was a very valid debate.
Ronaldo really put up a good fight and proved himself a worthy opponent and he’ll always have my respect for that.
But I’ll end this by saying, “There’s honor in everything, even in defeat”.
I hope you didn’t misunderstand my harmless opinion tho.
@@Highostrichstop treating messi like a god dude,anything can be replicated with practice and dedication
@@Kddkdkdswd I'll believe it when I'll see it
I'm A Ronaldo fan
I'll Never Say Messi is the GOAT
But I do acknowledge his greatness
That’s fair mate! Thank you for your comment!
I completely disagree.
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😂😂u might not say it but u know it😂😂😂.LOL
100% agree Ronaldo all the way❤
Messi the undeniable, undisputed, unquestionable greatest footballer to ever grace the sport. Him leading his country to the summit by way of a World Cup puts the end to this debate, if there ever was one.
Ronaldo's finishing and legendary ball skills are absolutely insane
But watching Messi play as a whole, his dribbling and overall quality, is just mesmerising to witness
I've never felt so astounded by a football player like Messi (in his prime of course)
Fat Messi or Noodle hair Ronaldo?
@@nont18411 Noodle hair Ronaldo
@@toondit fat Messi scored 91 In a single calendar year
@@toonditwrong
fair point but I generally don’t understand ppl that say ronaldo is just a goalscorer
In basketball and football people try to act like there's a debate when there isn't...
Just wondering. Who is the clear goat in basketball?
@@Ksfjkdf Michael Jordan is by a mile :) just like Messi.
@@nikaabuladze3105 really? i dont know anything about basketball but whenever i see the goat debate it always seems like an era thing, like older people will say jordan and younger will say lebron
@@nikaabuladze3105 pele existed
i agree never a debate
pele was always clear
Fun fact - Messi is the only player to win a major international tournament, finishing as the top goalscorer, top assist provider and the best player in the history of the sport.
Also, when he was 29, spanish dictionary added a word in his honour "inmessionante", describing the perfect way to play football or the best player in the world.
Somethings don't show on the stats, there was actually never a debate to begin with.
Messi scored 91 goals in ONE YEAR but goals are like 10% of what he does and not why people are left fascinated by him. In fact, MOST of his mind-blowing moments will never appear on a stat sheet😅 His vision, passing, CREATIVITY, creating a goal chance out of NOTHING is absolute insanity. Him winning absolutely with Barcelona and Argentina is just an inevitable result of how much he does for a team 🤷♂
ok but what about ronaldo wining everything possible in 2008 like literally every award excpet for super ballon dor and world cup
It took me 2 days to prepare myself to not get angry watching this video.
A big reason for people supporting Ronaldo is the fact you saw more of him. in more interviews as he spoke English, had multiple products, did brand deals so was a big marketing target. Whereas Messi is not as commercialised.
Ronaldo is just more likeable😊
That’s a good point!
what you yapping about???
Bro waffling
@@Lilmosey-ud9pgthat’s facts
This just shows Messi is the actual GOAT. Do not believe me? Watch the video again!
pretty much
As a Ronaldo fan it sucks to say, you will always be MY goat but you will never be THE goat
Do u wanna know a goofy stat messi scored 91 goals in 2012 but in el classico the biggest match he has 4 goals and ronaldo had 7 amd matches standing were 2 win for barcelona 2 wins for real madrid and 3 draws fellow ronaldo fan do not think these guys are smart they are not they only look at surface level stats that's all they simply another stat ronaldo was at real madrid in that time period ronaldo has better g/a ratio than messi which is messi's prime so idk mybe there's a point in ronaldo being better if u are just a little smart
@@AbhayKarmanyou do realize still has worst head to head than barcelona? messi actually has a faster goal ratio in the ucl but this cr7 fanbase never brings it up 2011-2012 you failed to bring up it took a lot longer for cr7 to even an assist or doing anything or prive anything it took messi a lot less time 1 game never decided an entire season when you fail to prefer an the other games consistently matters people say he didn’t win a trophy is such dumb argument
Wow I respect you
I love CR7 and he deserves massive respect, but everyone who is neutral and understands something about football knows that Messi is better. It was a media forced debate
I show Messi and Ronaldo highlight to a bunch nobodies as an experiment, everyone loved cr7’s cool tricks, but when Messi came, everyone noticed how dominant he is with his incredible magic and dribbling. The clear winner is obvious in the end…
It’s not a media forced debate. It’s an actual debate. Just because you like Messi more doesn’t mean there’s no debae. and With your logic here , messi seems better when people have a basic understanding of the sport? So if people have a deep understanding that means CR is better right?
@@L7ChristianB Messi in his 5th best season (10/11, 11/12, 12/13, 14/15, 18/19) was a better player than CR7 in his best season when you look at the performance p90 and there is a consens among coaches that Messi is the best of his generation - that says it all.
The stats say Messi is better and the eye-test says Messi is better.
It's okay if you like CR7 more, but Messi is the better player from an objective point of view
@@ModernFootball866 you are basing why you think messi is better based on stats you deem to be what determines what is the goat. Anyone could do that, that’s why there is a debate. I can pick Ronaldo as the goat for various reasons of my own, hence why the debate exists. I can say everything that Ronaldo did better than Messi, in regards to UCL, goal scoring, leagues and base that goat in that. So it’s silly if you to say something is objective when it’s obviously subjective.
@@L7ChristianB If you look at the bigger picture and analyze the whole data, there is no way you can see CR7 is the better player - that's why the "debate" exists only among fanboys and people who don't know much about football, bcs everyone who is neutral and understands something about football knows that Messi is better and the facts back it up.
You couldn't make a case for CR7 based in facts, it's just the emotional connection to him and the fact that you like him more
ronaldo's best success is comparing to messi
Anyone who ever entertained the 'debate' hasn't a clue what they're watching. Messi, the greatest creator of all time, has a better goal record than everyone in the last 40 years (at least). That defies logic.
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dwarf had to hide in barca all his life cus he's a comofrt zone system player
@@ElDragowwhy would you leave a big club that pays you well and competes for every trophy ?😂
@@ElDragow
The fact you’re calling him a dwarf shows you dislike him. Your awful opinion is therefore invalid.
@@ElDragow”dwarf” said the 5ft 8 person in a dark basement 😭 friendly fire bro you little goblin
Messi fans potray themselves as saints
But at the end of day they want to argue with the ones who say "wc was rigged"
As a Ronaldo fan even before messi won wc he was GOAT of football
But I still idolize ronaldo and thats a diff thing
Do people actually really think its close💀
U type of people are the biggest clowns
Only Real Madrid, United fans and Juve fans 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@dsavage6618 I'm a United fan and I know is not even close to Messi
@@United_Wings Smart fan
@@United_Wingsronaldo fans
And people still believe Ronaldo’s better. He’s fantastic but no, it’s not close
Ronaldo does incredible things that make people go "wow, that's incredible" but when you watch Messi you're just lost for words.
nah
Right what Ronaldo does anyone can do. What Messi does it’s locked to him and you rarely see anyone at all replicate the simplest things he does.
Lmao, this is some crazy level of glazing. @@kennyhernandez6383
@@Blkarican "nah" cmon say something what is nah?
I'm lost for words how people still like Messi after robbing the biggest football tournament ever and stealing the golden ball from soo many
They can never make me like CR. People forget (or too young to know) that CR used to be a NOTORIOUS diver.
The debate ended the 18th of December of 2022
For me it ended in 2012
@@shadow-man8715fair
debate already ended before it started in 2008
My preference goes to Ronaldo because I like the effort and determination he puts into physical work. It doesn’t stop me from accepting Messi is a genius
Its true for both
This is such a causual take. Anybody that says this doesn't really watch football.
@@val-zod1284 Most ronaldo fans don't really watch football that's true, they mostly watch highlights only
This take doesn’t really make sense, it’s not like Messi doesn’t put effort into physical work, he just doesn’t blatantly flash it as much as Ronaldo
@@elliott2193he does work hard just not as much as ronaldo, he doesn't need to flash it
On an unrelated note Xavi has played a highline against Vini and Rodrygo and is 2-0 down in 10 minutes,when messi left Barcelona really declined
Yep, 3-1 now Vini hattrick, ig Vini the real 🐐
3-1, vinicius hattrick yeah they're fucked
Thanks for that update
They blew 4-1 & 3-0 leads in UCL with Messi there. The decline started whie Messi was there.
they won the league by a landslide when messi left
Messi has more international trophies than he does defeats with Scaloni as his manager.
❤
Forget nuclear war
The real war is this comment section
Take any 2nd second division striker, put him in front of a 1 billion dollar madrid team, tell him to camp in box all game, give him all penalty and offside, hype up everything he does and you will have prime Cristiano but you will never recreate prime messi.
Ronaldo only played striker for one year with Real Madrid lil bro
What abt Mariano
Messi has only ever played in 1 top league ( la liga) and 2 B leagues, Ronaldo has played in 3 top leagues and 2 B leagues
The easiest way to identify a football know-nothing is people who think CR7 is better than Messi. Piers Morgan for instance.
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bro if anybody thinks messi is better than ronaldo than their also a know nothing
@@zeo9216 Found the know-nothing
@@clayboncThey didn’t say Ronaldo was better. Two different players who are all time greats.
right
lets just spit the facts here
ronaldo need 5 skills to dribble one player
messi needs 1 skill to dribble 5 players
tell me this is not facts.
what a beautiful play created by messi with just one skill
100 % agreed
Dribble is part of football
Not all of football
A player can be natural worse than another,but is better if he performs better on the field
Perfectly said
@@Yami1300and Messi is in a game to game ratio he’s better
Second best for me is Johan Cruyff, because of his influence on the pitch. He was probably the most intellectual player in terms of football iq. He was the Player to play in most complicated System(Total Football). At least to get near to that and he was the one why this System was functionated.(Example 1974 WC)... And of course the greatest player of all time is Messi. No debate.
Just tell me you are a Barca fan
@@mr.gamerkabir8142johan Cruyff revolutionized football mate, he's the most influential footballer, people don't give him his flowers
@@mr.gamerkabir8142At least he probably watched matches back then, while you just watch shorts about players
If we are talking abt impact then I agree with you but for me second best has always been van basten
@@aregularguy-xb8ut Van Basten retired way too early to be near Cruyff for me
Messi fans mostly love football.
Ronaldo fans love his money and fame.
@@CastleMati Another point most of messi fans come from South America and Latin America , but Ronaldo fans are mostly Arabs and Indians who support Ronaldo for his money fame support to Palestine yada yada
There is no way “the GOAT” never scored in a World Cup knockout match
That's why i say: PenalDOG EGONALDO 0 wc knockout goals and 0 playmaker awards international MVP penaldo 😂
@@qwertyzxccvk you are a kid bro
@@maaaaaaphow is he a kid for your speaking facts that are true
@@captainfalconmain6576 cringe
@@maaaaaapdid you really like your own comment 😂😂😂
Messi destroyed English teams any time they met. Facts.
“Messi have never had to adapt” - Messi have played as a winger, false 9, number 9 and an 8. All at the same time at times.
And don’t get me started on the teammates. He have had to put up with Martin Braithwaite, Kevin Boateng, Paulinho, Samuel Umtiti, , Munir, Deolofeu, Rafinha, Sergi Roberto, Sandro and a bunch of other below mediocre players and have not complained even once. He played many years without both Xavi and Iniesta and made every single player around him better.
Messi’s ability to adapt is far more impressive than Ronaldo who joined an already winning United, a clear Real Madrid (on paper but still lost 9 out of 11 la liga titles) and a dominating Juventus in Italy. Ronaldo plays for himself and he would never join a team that wasn’t already completed.
Take away all the stats, titles, trophies and honors for both and then you'll see how much better Messi just is. Even at 37, he's still a lethal footballer.
The same can't be said for Ronaldo who has been on a decline. He relied on his speed and power so much and age just catched up.
While Leo evolved. He knew speed and those team killing water strider dribblings won't do him good if he overusues it, so he became a playmaker. But when he needs to dribble past multiple opponents in a flash, he does it flawlessly.
Leo's vision also became better with age. His pinpoint passing with those vision plus his football intelligence, all that made him even more dangerous without even running much.
And he inspires everyone playing with him.
What I'm trying to say is Leo is just light-years ahead of everyone else.
If you compare Cristiano Ronaldo to Luis Suarez stats you are going to get a surprise. Suarez in g+a ratio is superior. If you discount penalties for both players Suarez ratio is vastly superior as he never was the main penalty taker of his teams. Cristiano Ronaldo is in the same category as Luis Suarez, Lewandowski or Angel Di Maria. Messi is above that.
Clearly false. And ur just hating for no reason. U can't compare the player with the most goals in the HISTORY OF THE FUCKING SPORT to those players. The fact that he has more goals proves he's better. People trust him more to give him those opportunities.
@@Sajayyz🤣🤦♂️
@@SajayyzYou are the problem. You have no argument so you come and yell as proxy to a logical response 😂
Playing 150 more matches
If Cristiano Ronaldo is in the same category as those players, why don't they have any ballon d'ors?
This app ignores everything Ronaldo has done before 2009.
messi wins tho
Kinda sad how Ronaldo has just become so shameless as to shame on and hate on Messi time and time again, really puts a damper on his relationship with Messi.
The only reason this debate even exists is media PR… because there is no way shape or form you’re comparing a Playmaker and a Goal-scorer (who is also an insane dribbler) to a goal scorer.
the only reason your comment exists is that you dont realize that when the debate started Ronaldo was a great dribbler and assist provider
@@maaaaaap You’re right ronaldo WAS a great dribbler but he wasn’t even on Hazard’s level. You’re right he provided assists but they are no where near the efficiency or look as good as Messi’s assists.
@@maaaaaapcry kid
@@captainfalconmain6576 mature response from a non kid
@@maaaaaaphow is it mature where i’m just telling you the truth
The amount of ronaldo fans crying in the comments is insane
Both are great. They kind of made everyone love and care football. I am a fan of both but deep down Messi is something else. I doubt we will ever see a player like messi. I still remember those messi false 9 moments in 2011-12, abnormal playmaking in 2015, the most complete player who single-handedly fought everyone in 2019 and a leader in 2022.
By the end of the Messi v CR7 El Classicos , Messi was so far ahead , he could afford to let his rival gain a few laps.
Messi ❤❤❤❤ 0:58
Me eh eh ssi!
Instead of saying Messi vs Ronaldo, its making more sense to talk about how Ronaldo somehow competed with an alien for 20 years. Hats off to Ronaldo to playing his heart out against the greatest talent of all time.
They are both dedicated to there craft and super talented but in different ways, Ronaldo is far more genetically gifted than Messi, but Messi has a more gifted brain what allows him to be more creative and achieve a higher level of perfection
We only enjoying Messi, Ronaldo is doing pretty much the same as the rest of the players!
facts
The fact that proves messi's superiority is that even though the stats lean towards him the stats dont justify his performance completely. While ronaldo has a very little to offer aside stats