@azote5763…plus steel front and rear bumpers, full undercarriage protection, better angles of approach, break over and departure and much better ground clearance. Then I’d buy it even at these ridiculously high prices!
I own a fully restored, fully built 1997 Series 80 Land Cruiser, and while it's an incredible vehicle, it undeniably lacks the modern features and conveniences of SUVs built nearly three decades later. It's also too big and bulky for daily driving. Don’t get me wrong-it’s fantastic for overland adventures, but as a day-to-day ride? Not so much. I also have a 2013 Land Rover LR4 HSE, another impressive SUV. It's well-built, powered by a V8 with plenty of punch, and performs exceptionally on and off the road. However, with 80,000 miles on the clock, it's starting to show its age, which has led me to explore potential replacements. Recently, I test-drove both the new Land Cruiser and the Grenadier. To my surprise, I was shocked by how small the cabin felt in the new Land Cruiser. At 6’5”, I simply don’t fit comfortably in this downsized SUV. It left me wondering-what’s the real difference between the Land Cruiser and the 4Runner now? The lines are starting to blur. I also considered the Land Rover Defender. Unfortunately, I think Land Rover has lost its way. In my opinion, abandoning the original Defender platform was a big mistake. The new Defender feels more like a luxury SUV than the rugged, utilitarian icon it once was, and its new size doesn’t work for me either. This misstep has opened the door wide for the Grenadier to fill the void. As for the G-Wagon? Forget it. The price is absurd for what you get, and honestly, I’d be afraid to take it off-road and risk even a single scratch. The same goes for the new Range Rover-beautiful vehicles, but they’ve strayed too far into luxury territory for my taste. The Grenadier, on the other hand, stands out. It has everything I’m looking for in a capable SUV, with a price tag under $100k that doesn’t alienate tall drivers like me. In my opinion, it’s the best option for those of us who value capability, durability, and space. Grenadier gets my vote, hands down.
LC300 is the real land cruiser and LC250 comes from light offroader catogory of Landcruiser family. If people believe that it is good enough to be a serious offroader ( I have seen them doing serious off roading), why wouldn't Toyota pitch it like that. It is just the question of coming back from the trip. However, this LC250 won't survive if you dip it in water as their 48V system is a bit of suspect. But Toyota will improve it a bit at a time over a long period of time and look after their customers where it wins small battles, one at a time. End of the day, it is trusted as a customer focussed brand despite court cases etc
Hybrid, Plastic Bumpered, IFS doesn’t make for a fair comparison at all. Not to mention truly manual transfer case that allows low range unlocked and all eight forward gears in low, high pinion diffs and full floating rear axle. Comparing the Grenadier to something comparable would be more useful but there is nothing comparable not even the venerable 70 series that requires vast modifications to approach the usability and comfortability of the Grenadier. The Grenadiers only flaw is not enough fuel capacity but there are work around to that including aux tanks for final solution or Jerry’s in a pinch.
Land Rover does, thats why they sued Ineos (unsuccessfully). And it only exists because LR didnt sell the Defender brand/factory to Ineos' founder back when it discontinued the old Defender. That's the story really, Ratcliff (Ineos founder) really liked the old Defender and when LR wouldn't let him continue it decided to build a successor himself. The Grenadier is actually engineered by the auto firm Magna Steyr that also engineers and builds the G-Wagen for Mercedes (and the Toyota Supra among other cars). Thats the reason it looks a lot like an old Defender and an older G-Wagen had a (very large) baby.
@@titanchronos4876 What are YOU talking about? The Grenadier is directly inspired by and a spiritual successor to the old defender, and only exists because Land Rover stopped making the old Defender, that's all I was talking about. Calling it a 'ripoff' is lazy and a bit silly in context when understanding why it is in production.
@BryanPike so it's a rip off , why do we keep discussing it? And no I haven't , should I? I just asked if people notice that it looks like a copy, why do you freak out? Jesus take a chill pill or smt
Grenadier is better hands down. Prado v4 might be better for daily driving only
Yes, I-6 Solid Axles vs I-4 IFS. Take your pick.
The LC 250 would sell like hotcakes if it has a v6, takes regular gas and a reasonable price tag....
@azote5763…plus steel front and rear bumpers, full undercarriage protection, better angles of approach, break over and departure and much better ground clearance. Then I’d buy it even at these ridiculously high prices!
I own a fully restored, fully built 1997 Series 80 Land Cruiser, and while it's an incredible vehicle, it undeniably lacks the modern features and conveniences of SUVs built nearly three decades later. It's also too big and bulky for daily driving. Don’t get me wrong-it’s fantastic for overland adventures, but as a day-to-day ride? Not so much.
I also have a 2013 Land Rover LR4 HSE, another impressive SUV. It's well-built, powered by a V8 with plenty of punch, and performs exceptionally on and off the road. However, with 80,000 miles on the clock, it's starting to show its age, which has led me to explore potential replacements.
Recently, I test-drove both the new Land Cruiser and the Grenadier. To my surprise, I was shocked by how small the cabin felt in the new Land Cruiser. At 6’5”, I simply don’t fit comfortably in this downsized SUV. It left me wondering-what’s the real difference between the Land Cruiser and the 4Runner now? The lines are starting to blur.
I also considered the Land Rover Defender. Unfortunately, I think Land Rover has lost its way. In my opinion, abandoning the original Defender platform was a big mistake. The new Defender feels more like a luxury SUV than the rugged, utilitarian icon it once was, and its new size doesn’t work for me either. This misstep has opened the door wide for the Grenadier to fill the void.
As for the G-Wagon? Forget it. The price is absurd for what you get, and honestly, I’d be afraid to take it off-road and risk even a single scratch. The same goes for the new Range Rover-beautiful vehicles, but they’ve strayed too far into luxury territory for my taste.
The Grenadier, on the other hand, stands out. It has everything I’m looking for in a capable SUV, with a price tag under $100k that doesn’t alienate tall drivers like me. In my opinion, it’s the best option for those of us who value capability, durability, and space. Grenadier gets my vote, hands down.
Ineos by a 1000 miles
LC300 is the real land cruiser and LC250 comes from light offroader catogory of Landcruiser family. If people believe that it is good enough to be a serious offroader ( I have seen them doing serious off roading), why wouldn't Toyota pitch it like that. It is just the question of coming back from the trip. However, this LC250 won't survive if you dip it in water as their 48V system is a bit of suspect. But Toyota will improve it a bit at a time over a long period of time and look after their customers where it wins small battles, one at a time. End of the day, it is trusted as a customer focussed brand despite court cases etc
Hybrid, Plastic Bumpered, IFS doesn’t make for a fair comparison at all. Not to mention truly manual transfer case that allows low range unlocked and all eight forward gears in low, high pinion diffs and full floating rear axle. Comparing the Grenadier to something comparable would be more useful but there is nothing comparable not even the venerable 70 series that requires vast modifications to approach the usability and comfortability of the Grenadier. The Grenadiers only flaw is not enough fuel capacity but there are work around to that including aux tanks for final solution or Jerry’s in a pinch.
u should compare with LC300
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Land cruiser
does no one think that the Ineos is a ripoff the classic land rover defender? (aesthetically)
Land Rover does, thats why they sued Ineos (unsuccessfully). And it only exists because LR didnt sell the Defender brand/factory to Ineos' founder back when it discontinued the old Defender. That's the story really, Ratcliff (Ineos founder) really liked the old Defender and when LR wouldn't let him continue it decided to build a successor himself.
The Grenadier is actually engineered by the auto firm Magna Steyr that also engineers and builds the G-Wagen for Mercedes (and the Toyota Supra among other cars). Thats the reason it looks a lot like an old Defender and an older G-Wagen had a (very large) baby.
@ryanbarthel1 I'm talking about the defender that I own for example, 1990 model. Ineos existed since then ? What r u talking about?
@@titanchronos4876 What are YOU talking about? The Grenadier is directly inspired by and a spiritual successor to the old defender, and only exists because Land Rover stopped making the old Defender, that's all I was talking about. Calling it a 'ripoff' is lazy and a bit silly in context when understanding why it is in production.
@BryanPike so it's a rip off , why do we keep discussing it? And no I haven't , should I? I just asked if people notice that it looks like a copy, why do you freak out? Jesus take a chill pill or smt
@@titanchronos4876 A boxy shape 4x4 that many manufacturers have had over the years doesn't make it a rip off