Rtings... The most underrated consumer tech channel on RUclips. Seriously, you guys provide fact-based, uncolored journalistic reviews and educational videos that no one else is doing. You guys deserve more subscribers
Excellent work! So much better than watching "audiophile" RUclips reviewers give their colored two cents on what they like, or get paid to like. Keep these up!
@@therealb888 Seriously? You ONLY enjoy things that are right on paper? I remember using a ton of products that were amazing but would not say otherwise through analytical data. Grow up and learn that life is not just about numbers. Stop measurebating and dont be a loser.
@@mrsinghania2 As long as you don't give false info (for eg: this amp is better cuz it SounDS bEtTEr tO Me, while it measures terribly) about stuff and clearly mention your opinion being your opinion. And then not recommitting something that you like which may objectively be bad (an amp is the perfect example). Then yea it's fine to state your opinion on public domains like youtube
Those subjective views are better when it comes to audio (mostly) but ONLY if you find a reviewer that has the SAME taste as you. For me it's Joshua Valour, for you it might be someone else. Take Z reviews with a grain of salt he overhypes some stuff.
I love these guys, they're so thorough. They're the type of people that would buy and return a monitor nine times because they keep finding imperfections, and I love it.
These guys science the shit out of headphone reviews! I have tremendous respect for them. The problem with most audio hardware reviews is that the reviewers often don't know what they're talking about or they have little understanding of acoustics, audio engineering, and sound production. These guys do. They definitely deserve more attention.
Those subjective views are better when it comes to audio (mostly) but ONLY if you find a reviewer that has the SAME taste as you. For me it's Joshua Valour, for you it might be someone else. Take Z reviews with a grain of salt he overhypes some stuff.
Rtings.com indeed, he agreed on Twitter that the only thing to improve here is to further verify the objective results that you've clearly presented convincingly here with additional subjective results. Bravo, Sam. Loving it.
This is really informative, and I really like how you guys are breaking audio down to a science. It would be really cool if you guys could somehow profile 3rd party earpads like the ZMF's and Dekoni's, since pad swapping changes the sound a lot :D
need more videos like this, i had razer megaladon and the sound was not impressive but it was the best headphone to locate and pin point the exact position of the sound, i could latterly get kills in fps game blind folded, i have never experience this again (had multiple headphones) i have been searching for alot of dac-amps and software to re-create this and also headphones. i love your video, there is no other videos out there that is giving this kind of information, keep up the good work and hope you will make a reaserch for the ultimate package with dac & headphones to get the true spacial object-base "surround" this is truly game changing in a whole another level
Awesome work! I wish all people doing reviews did this good job. Have you tried to measure the reference curve for PRTF in anechoic chamber/acoustically dead room? As most speakers have been designed to emit as good sound response as possible in acoustically dead (or heavily acoustically treated but not dead) rooms it would make more sense to me to compare pinna-related differences to the direct speaker response (that is, speaker output without any room reflections). I think this would better measure the quality / accuracy of the headphones because you can add artificial room reverb but if the headphones always simulate room response, you cannot remove it after the fact. For the same reason, I think headphones should have zero crosstalk because you can very easily adjust crosstalk in DSP but you cannot remove it. As for all the rest, I agree on your methodology.
Thanks for the video and explanation. I tend to like headphones without any soundstage, for example I like M50X more than DT770. I am using headphones next to my studio monitors for mixing, and all of my monitors and headphones are measured and digitally corrected so I can get as close as possible to the flat frequency response curve. How successful this is, well it is another story, but for me it is much better to have frequency curve closer than further from the flat one. As for soundstage, is DT770 a bad example of larger soundstage so that is why I like more direct, and concrete sounding M50X, or it is all just a personal preference? Thanks...
Great informational video. Had great reference to pick the Endurance Sprint earphones. Too bad no reviews on the PSB M4U 1, since I have this and sound great, unfortunately the headband broke and Im looking for a replacement but no other website that I know does this fact based comparisons. Great work anyways. Cheers!
Not sure we're there yet. The AKG K702 is "known" to have a wide soundstage but according to your PRTF charts that's not the case. Maybe you should test the Philips Fidelio X2 and see how that chart looks.
Love the video.I'm a amatuer in this headphone hobby. I own the Sennheiser HD558. Also a Astro MixAmp. I use this setup for VSS on my PS4. I watch movies and game on them. I'm a VSS lover. I order AKG 712Pro for it SoundStage and Imaging. People reference these model or brand as SoundStage and Imaging. And recommend them for gaming. The HD800 S are king of SoundStage.(from what I heard). There are my End Game..... Now after I watched this video. The HD700. Omg. I will be definitely be buying one. Definitely in my range of a budget. Just wow. I will be subscribing.... Also I have a LGV20,Neutron music player, FLACs(CDs, BandCamp, and HDTracks) and Noozxoide EIZO, it a app that has a VSUR setting. I have my set to Live II. And works with the Neutron. "Noozxoide LogicSound ES A virtual surround sound provides illusional phantom effect and spaciouse listening experience though a single stereo monitor." Anyways. Great video.
I think it would have been good to explain a bit more about how group delay errors affect the audio quality. Saying that "bass sounds less tight" just hints the actual issue. If speaker or headphone has perfect frequency response but poor group delay, it means that the speaker or headphone is able to reproduce correct frequency with correct sound pressure but the timing of the start and end of the sound is incorrect. And it should be obvious that if your bass frequencies are playing delayed compared to rest of the music, the result will obviously sound a lot worse. It might be better to render group delay relative to length of a sound wave to get more accurate image for higher frequencies. If I remember correctly, the hearing threshold is slightly above one cycle length so it should be 1/50th of a second for 50 Hz and 1/10000th of a second for 10 kHz. Graphing the percentage of the delay relative to hearing threshold for each frequency should result in graph where hearing threshold is a straight line and group delay would visibly go over the line for problematic frequencies and we would be able to see differences in group delay for higher frequencies better even when the actual value is below the hearing threshold. And one very important thing to understand is that you can use EQ to flatten the frequency response but that will cause more problems to group delay. Fixing both at the same time electrically requires very complex DSP.
Hi Mikko! We noticed a few of your comments, so we're going to try and address both of them here. firstly, thanks for your great feedback and insight. Rendering group delay relative to length of the sound wave is an interesting idea that would be worth exploring in the future once we decide to revisit and improve our imaging tests. I've made sure to write down your idea. As for measuring the reference curve for PRTF in an anechoic room, we definitely thought and considered it as an option, but we usually prioritize doing measurements in rooms/environment that are relatable to people when using the product. Having a reference curve measured in an anechoic room could lead to disconnect between our measurements and the true experience when using the product. Of course we are always open to hear everyone thoughts on this since in the end nothing is set in stones and the goal of each of our tests is to help people find the best product they need for their specific usage. Thanks again and do not hesitate if you have any other suggestions.
Amazing stuff, I was always curious about this. I have a few questions about PRTF. Have you done any subjective tests to varify your methodology? Shouldn't this response vary greatly between different pinna? And finally, don't you think some headphones with bad PRTF can make up for it by having resonances that match the corresponding pinna resonances, which obviously wouldn't show up in the PRTF? Thanks!
1) Only internal subjective tests for now. 2) Since this test is the difference with and without pinna, it should somewhat transfer to other pinna. 3) Technically yes. This is less likely to match the listeners pinna though.
Question: Shouldn't the localization cues of a headphone be ingrained in the PRTF as well as the frequency response itself? I mean, why would it matter, if a 30° sound incidence pattern is created through pinna resonances or the headphone itself? By the way, why does the phase response itself play such a minor role in your tests? I mean, for sound localization it doesn't matter, but for the accurate reproduction of "sound texture" and transients it clearly does.
Do you have an idea, why the phase response is completely different for the same earphone model measured by rtings vs. measured by inner fidelity? There is virtually no similarity between the two graphs for each model that I tried. Inner fidelity measures them at 600 Ohm output impedance. 7:45 Awesomeness
are there closed back headphones under like 170$ with decent noise cancellation and balanced sound that still have a good soundstage? i was looking to buy the ATH M40x, but not a good soundstage right? sry im new to this stuff, thanks in advance
Very good and rare information keep it up.great research...basically those headphones I like to use which can create exactly same listening experience as recording engineer of the source intended....I also like to listen only binural recordings while using headphones because that feels lifelike... And when I like to listen my stereo speakers music system at home with source recording done by stereo set of microphones only...(mostly on LPs )
I actually don't want speaker like presentation in front of me. I want my headphones to sound more like binaural/all around me. I find that Beyer headphones does this well. I have the Ananda and it scores high in your test and it's indeed sound like a speaker in front of me but it's weak at lateral or 360 degree imaging if that makes sense.
You might not be able to accurately measure QC35, since Bose do a lot of magic by recording the inner sound they produce and adjusting accordingly. They may be trying to adjust to the pinnaless ear.
The right pads, Equalizer APO, A1Stereo Control by Alex Hilton, free VST that works better than any paid software I have tried. And a compressor. The equalizer in Equalizer Apo Is a ridiculous tool that can actually boost the currents in your headset, it can break your headset if you wanted to do that. With these tools, I can make any headphone with a good driver have an amazing sound stage and balanced sound. The only reason we're still at this point with headphones is because manufacturers suck. They intentionally sell gimped products to create market segments. And that's the story. One more thing. isn't it strange that with a relatively meh driver, with basically no thought in the design of the driver casing ( the headphone shape itself) but with the correct type of pad, you get a completely different sound? Why is driver technology basically at the same level as 30 years ago. It is beyond depressing.
All this soundstage talk sounds to me more like a "Vinyl vs Digital" audio debate, the one is warmer due to its nature the other can do whatever you want it to do(even emulate Vinyl "Coloring") The soundstage should not come from the headphones but from the content! I use in ear headphones(ROCK zircon and Tinaudio T2) and in games where a good HRTF is implemented the soundstage is vast and the imaging is accurate. same goes for other content like binaural audio(Virtual haircut for example) these recordings sounds perfect using in-ears, as they sound like the real world sounds like. As an engineer I admire the work done here though!
The way he defines soundstage as something created, and if this is so then how on earth any sound engineers can use / rely on a HP to mix/master? If that's the definition does it mean a sound engineer should pick a HP that scores zero on soundstage?!
I do understand the work. And its great. But when you look at the common conception of imaging and soudstage, it can be deceiving. The ath-m50 have almost no soudstage when you speak to audiophile people. The dt 990 pro has a great soundstage. Yet, their rating in the website www.rtings.com/headphones/tools/compare/audio-technica-ath-m50x-vs-beyerdynamic-dt-990-pro/295/329?usage=5003&threshold=0.1 says that the imaging iand soundstage is on average better on the ATH-m50x
Proper, solid, sound, thorough, helpful. Thank you. (How does my JBL E 50 BT compete???) Next step: what about the correlation between measurements, lyrical audiophile listening impressions and PRICE. S u s p e n s e🤔
Why do you guys do this absolutely idiotic thing with your freq response measurements where you apply some arbitrary target as reference and then compensate the raw measurements based on that? Deviation from target is a fun graph, but it shouldn't be your frequency response measurement
Hey George, our target curve is based on the Harman target curve that aim to be the profile most would like based on their extensive research. Of course this target does not represent everyone's personal preference, but it allows to quickly see whether a headphone has more bass then what an average listener would like for example and we think it makes the graph more approachable at a glance. It is to be noted that we do include raw measurements in our reviews on the website for users that prefer this approach. All that being said, we understand that it may not be the perfect solution, and we're always looking for ways to improve, so don't hesitate to share any suggestions or thoughts you have for ways we can improve this situation!
@@RTINGSdotcom the Harman target is excellent, great and all, but I don't think you should use deviation from target as your main frequency response graph. I think raw freq response, with an overlay of the harman target curve average is a much better approach. Let us avoid oversimplification of using deviation as default I know you publish raw fr graphs as well, but those aren't the ones that show up from your site on google images :)
@Gamez4eveR Writing "absolutely idiotic thing" was absolutely unnecessary - have some respect, you're talking to real humans trying to do their work, which they provide to you for free. Not even the decency to quickly apologize after you get a polite and genuine response from Rtings like... You are one shameless ingrate.
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Rtings... The most underrated consumer tech channel on RUclips. Seriously, you guys provide fact-based, uncolored journalistic reviews and educational videos that no one else is doing. You guys deserve more subscribers
You guys are doing some incredibly solid work here. Kudos.
The effort you guys put into using true scientific methods when testing really blows all other reviewers out of the water. Fantastic work.
Excellent work! So much better than watching "audiophile" RUclips reviewers give their colored two cents on what they like, or get paid to like. Keep these up!
Nothing wrong with somebodies opinion :) this is after all RUclips.
@@therealb888 Seriously? You ONLY enjoy things that are right on paper? I remember using a ton of products that were amazing but would not say otherwise through analytical data. Grow up and learn that life is not just about numbers. Stop measurebating and dont be a loser.
@@mrsinghania2 As long as you don't give false info (for eg: this amp is better cuz it SounDS bEtTEr tO Me, while it measures terribly) about stuff and clearly mention your opinion being your opinion. And then not recommitting something that you like which may objectively be bad (an amp is the perfect example). Then yea it's fine to state your opinion on public domains like youtube
Those subjective views are better when it comes to audio (mostly) but ONLY if you find a reviewer that has the SAME taste as you.
For me it's Joshua Valour, for you it might be someone else.
Take Z reviews with a grain of salt he overhypes some stuff.
I love these guys, they're so thorough. They're the type of people that would buy and return a monitor nine times because they keep finding imperfections, and I love it.
They make me feel like I have less of a problem for being so picky. Regular people tend to demonize picky people .-.
These guys science the shit out of headphone reviews! I have tremendous respect for them. The problem with most audio hardware reviews is that the reviewers often don't know what they're talking about or they have little understanding of acoustics, audio engineering, and sound production. These guys do. They definitely deserve more attention.
Looking forward to more audio stuff like this! Maybe one day, Rtings will be reviewing speakers too and dispelling all the “audiophile” mumbo jumbo.
>mumbo jumbo
mumbo jumbo is a minvecraft youtuber
Those subjective views are better when it comes to audio (mostly) but ONLY if you find a reviewer that has the SAME taste as you.
For me it's Joshua Valour, for you it might be someone else.
Take Z reviews with a grain of salt he overhypes some stuff.
There’s hardly any videos on RUclips that teach you this.
Feels like I’m in a class for sound engineers.
You guys should work with Sean Olive. This sounds like an AES paper ready to be written.
Sean Olive visited us a few years ago. AES paper would be useful, especially to do a proper subjective test to validate the results.
Rtings.com indeed, he agreed on Twitter that the only thing to improve here is to further verify the objective results that you've clearly presented convincingly here with additional subjective results. Bravo, Sam. Loving it.
Excellent attempt to quantify these metrics which I’ve been looking for, and definitely very valuable references!
A master class of sound stage for free!!! Great guys! Hope you can make soundstage test and imaging on wireless earbuds in the future.
keep at it, been a fan for years, will always be!
This is really informative, and I really like how you guys are breaking audio down to a science.
It would be really cool if you guys could somehow profile 3rd party earpads like the ZMF's and Dekoni's, since pad swapping changes the sound a lot :D
need more videos like this, i had razer megaladon and the sound was not impressive but it was the best headphone to locate and pin point the exact position of the sound, i could latterly get kills in fps game blind folded, i have never experience this again (had multiple headphones) i have been searching for alot of dac-amps and software to re-create this and also headphones.
i love your video, there is no other videos out there that is giving this kind of information, keep up the good work and hope you will make a reaserch for the ultimate package with dac & headphones to get the true spacial object-base "surround" this is truly game changing in a whole another level
Wow, respect.
Woah your work really fascinates me a lot. Which courses will allow me to study these thing? I'm really interested in studying this🙂
Exceptional video. I learn so much. Please have more of this videos. Cheers.
Awesome work! I wish all people doing reviews did this good job.
Have you tried to measure the reference curve for PRTF in anechoic chamber/acoustically dead room? As most speakers have been designed to emit as good sound response as possible in acoustically dead (or heavily acoustically treated but not dead) rooms it would make more sense to me to compare pinna-related differences to the direct speaker response (that is, speaker output without any room reflections).
I think this would better measure the quality / accuracy of the headphones because you can add artificial room reverb but if the headphones always simulate room response, you cannot remove it after the fact. For the same reason, I think headphones should have zero crosstalk because you can very easily adjust crosstalk in DSP but you cannot remove it.
As for all the rest, I agree on your methodology.
Man, this is awesomely professional stuff in the world of headphones. This is exactly what we need. Cheers!
Thanks for the video and explanation. I tend to like headphones without any soundstage, for example I like M50X more than DT770. I am using headphones next to my studio monitors for mixing, and all of my monitors and headphones are measured and digitally corrected so I can get as close as possible to the flat frequency response curve. How successful this is, well it is another story, but for me it is much better to have frequency curve closer than further from the flat one.
As for soundstage, is DT770 a bad example of larger soundstage so that is why I like more direct, and concrete sounding M50X, or it is all just a personal preference? Thanks...
Awesome vid, tons of info. Would like to see a vid on mix-amps for headsets, particularly for gaming ones, to see which provides best sound stage.
Great informational video. Had great reference to pick the Endurance Sprint earphones. Too bad no reviews on the PSB M4U 1, since I have this and sound great, unfortunately the headband broke and Im looking for a replacement but no other website that I know does this fact based comparisons. Great work anyways. Cheers!
Can't wait for that Fiil T1Xs review!
Not sure we're there yet. The AKG K702 is "known" to have a wide soundstage but according to your PRTF charts that's not the case. Maybe you should test the Philips Fidelio X2 and see how that chart looks.
You guys should talk with Amir M from audioscienceforum, he might have some interesting stuff for you. Great video btw
Rtings is really the best review site! They do the reviews with science.
thank you for you work. you are made a great detailed tests of headphones.
Love the video.I'm a amatuer in this headphone hobby.
I own the Sennheiser HD558.
Also a Astro MixAmp.
I use this setup for VSS on my PS4. I watch movies and game on them.
I'm a VSS lover.
I order AKG 712Pro for it SoundStage and Imaging.
People reference these model or brand as SoundStage and Imaging. And recommend them for gaming.
The HD800 S are king of SoundStage.(from what I heard).
There are my End Game.....
Now after I watched this video.
The HD700. Omg.
I will be definitely be buying one. Definitely in my range of a budget.
Just wow.
I will be subscribing....
Also I have a LGV20,Neutron music player, FLACs(CDs, BandCamp, and HDTracks) and Noozxoide EIZO, it a app that has a VSUR setting. I have my set to Live II. And works with the Neutron.
"Noozxoide
LogicSound ES
A virtual surround sound provides illusional phantom effect and spaciouse listening experience though a single stereo monitor."
Anyways.
Great video.
www.rtings.com/headphones/tests/sound-quality/soundstage
Yannick Khong wow thanks.
I think it would have been good to explain a bit more about how group delay errors affect the audio quality. Saying that "bass sounds less tight" just hints the actual issue. If speaker or headphone has perfect frequency response but poor group delay, it means that the speaker or headphone is able to reproduce correct frequency with correct sound pressure but the timing of the start and end of the sound is incorrect. And it should be obvious that if your bass frequencies are playing delayed compared to rest of the music, the result will obviously sound a lot worse.
It might be better to render group delay relative to length of a sound wave to get more accurate image for higher frequencies. If I remember correctly, the hearing threshold is slightly above one cycle length so it should be 1/50th of a second for 50 Hz and 1/10000th of a second for 10 kHz. Graphing the percentage of the delay relative to hearing threshold for each frequency should result in graph where hearing threshold is a straight line and group delay would visibly go over the line for problematic frequencies and we would be able to see differences in group delay for higher frequencies better even when the actual value is below the hearing threshold.
And one very important thing to understand is that you can use EQ to flatten the frequency response but that will cause more problems to group delay. Fixing both at the same time electrically requires very complex DSP.
Hi Mikko!
We noticed a few of your comments, so we're going to try and address both of them here.
firstly, thanks for your great feedback and insight. Rendering group delay relative to length of the sound wave is an interesting idea that would be worth exploring in the future once we decide to revisit and improve our imaging tests. I've made sure to write down your idea.
As for measuring the reference curve for PRTF in an anechoic room, we definitely thought and considered it as an option, but we usually prioritize doing measurements in rooms/environment that are relatable to people when using the product. Having a reference curve measured in an anechoic room could lead to disconnect between our measurements and the true experience when using the product. Of course we are always open to hear everyone thoughts on this since in the end nothing is set in stones and the goal of each of our tests is to help people find the best product they need for their specific usage.
Thanks again and do not hesitate if you have any other suggestions.
You guys are amazing. Thanks!
Amazing stuff, I was always curious about this. I have a few questions about PRTF. Have you done any subjective tests to varify your methodology? Shouldn't this response vary greatly between different pinna? And finally, don't you think some headphones with bad PRTF can make up for it by having resonances that match the corresponding pinna resonances, which obviously wouldn't show up in the PRTF? Thanks!
1) Only internal subjective tests for now. 2) Since this test is the difference with and without pinna, it should somewhat transfer to other pinna. 3) Technically yes. This is less likely to match the listeners pinna though.
Ok i think i get it, thanks for the reply!
Question: Shouldn't the localization cues of a headphone be ingrained in the PRTF as well as the frequency response itself? I mean, why would it matter, if a 30° sound incidence pattern is created through pinna resonances or the headphone itself?
By the way, why does the phase response itself play such a minor role in your tests? I mean, for sound localization it doesn't matter, but for the accurate reproduction of "sound texture" and transients it clearly does.
Do you have an idea, why the phase response is completely different for the same earphone model measured by rtings vs. measured by inner fidelity? There is virtually no similarity between the two graphs for each model that I tried. Inner fidelity measures them at 600 Ohm output impedance.
7:45 Awesomeness
Vera God review. I have a question: is de soundstage on the HD 800 as good as on real speakers in a room?
are there closed back headphones under like 170$ with decent noise cancellation and balanced sound that still have a good soundstage? i was looking to buy the ATH M40x, but not a good soundstage right?
sry im new to this stuff, thanks in advance
Very good and rare information keep it up.great research...basically those headphones I like to use which can create exactly same listening experience as recording engineer of the source intended....I also like to listen only binural recordings while using headphones because that feels lifelike...
And when I like to listen my stereo speakers music system at home with source recording done by stereo set of microphones only...(mostly on LPs )
I actually don't want speaker like presentation in front of me. I want my headphones to sound more like binaural/all around me. I find that Beyer headphones does this well. I have the Ananda and it scores high in your test and it's indeed sound like a speaker in front of me but it's weak at lateral or 360 degree imaging if that makes sense.
Very informative. Really great video!
This was amazing!! Another good reason to move to Montreal.
Finally a great break down. Salute!
You might not be able to accurately measure QC35, since Bose do a lot of magic by recording the inner sound they produce and adjusting accordingly. They may be trying to adjust to the pinnaless ear.
Can't understand why they have less then 50k subs ?when are the Samsung tv reviews coming in thought it was supposed to be last week ?
I wonder why you never mention DAC/AMP selection in headphone reviews.
Thank you so much for making sense !
You guys are the best!
Can't wait for you guys to start testing entry HiFi speakers
Brilliant! Thank you!
The right pads, Equalizer APO, A1Stereo Control by Alex Hilton, free VST that works better than any paid software I have tried. And a compressor. The equalizer in Equalizer Apo Is a ridiculous tool that can actually boost the currents in your headset, it can break your headset if you wanted to do that. With these tools, I can make any headphone with a good driver have an amazing sound stage and balanced sound. The only reason we're still at this point with headphones is because manufacturers suck. They intentionally sell gimped products to create market segments. And that's the story. One more thing. isn't it strange that with a relatively meh driver, with basically no thought in the design of the driver casing ( the headphone shape itself) but with the correct type of pad, you get a completely different sound? Why is driver technology basically at the same level as 30 years ago. It is beyond depressing.
13:24 we need this
Call me childish but I laughed every time he says "pinnas"
All this soundstage talk sounds to me more like a "Vinyl vs Digital" audio debate, the one is warmer due to its nature the other can do whatever you want it to do(even emulate Vinyl "Coloring")
The soundstage should not come from the headphones but from the content!
I use in ear headphones(ROCK zircon and Tinaudio T2) and in games where a good HRTF is implemented the soundstage is vast and the imaging is accurate.
same goes for other content like binaural audio(Virtual haircut for example) these recordings sounds perfect using in-ears, as they sound like the real world sounds like.
As an engineer I admire the work done here though!
I wish u would testet the VZR model one.
The VZR model one are currently on our suggestion list, so if there's enough interest, we'll happily buy and review them!
Absolute information...good work..guys
Please add subtitles to understand all... English isn't my native language :/ !!
No problema, ja ja.
Rtings is just Amazing!
The way he defines soundstage as something created, and if this is so then how on earth any sound engineers can use / rely on a HP to mix/master? If that's the definition does it mean a sound engineer should pick a HP that scores zero on soundstage?!
This is fucking amazing.
good job!
I do understand the work. And its great. But when you look at the common conception of imaging and soudstage, it can be deceiving. The ath-m50 have almost no soudstage when you speak to audiophile people. The dt 990 pro has a great soundstage. Yet, their rating in the website www.rtings.com/headphones/tools/compare/audio-technica-ath-m50x-vs-beyerdynamic-dt-990-pro/295/329?usage=5003&threshold=0.1 says that the imaging iand soundstage is on average better on the ATH-m50x
How does people understand these stuff?
I got permanent burns on my lg c7 watching this
Laughed out loud.
why nobody talks about EQ-ing?
Good job
You are the best :)
Professors of technology reviews
Proper, solid, sound, thorough, helpful.
Thank you. (How does my JBL E 50 BT compete???)
Next step: what about the correlation between measurements, lyrical audiophile listening impressions and PRICE.
S u s p e n s e🤔
Thanks man, you just made headphone buying a very complicated process....
Why do you guys do this absolutely idiotic thing with your freq response measurements where you apply some arbitrary target as reference and then compensate the raw measurements based on that?
Deviation from target is a fun graph, but it shouldn't be your frequency response measurement
Hey George, our target curve is based on the Harman target curve that aim to be the profile most would like based on their extensive research. Of course this target does not represent everyone's personal preference, but it allows to quickly see whether a headphone has more bass then what an average listener would like for example and we think it makes the graph more approachable at a glance. It is to be noted that we do include raw measurements in our reviews on the website for users that prefer this approach. All that being said, we understand that it may not be the perfect solution, and we're always looking for ways to improve, so don't hesitate to share any suggestions or thoughts you have for ways we can improve this situation!
@@RTINGSdotcom the Harman target is excellent, great and all, but I don't think you should use deviation from target as your main frequency response graph. I think raw freq response, with an overlay of the harman target curve average is a much better approach. Let us avoid oversimplification of using deviation as default
I know you publish raw fr graphs as well, but those aren't the ones that show up from your site on google images :)
@Gamez4eveR Writing "absolutely idiotic thing" was absolutely unnecessary - have some respect, you're talking to real humans trying to do their work, which they provide to you for free. Not even the decency to quickly apologize after you get a polite and genuine response from Rtings like... You are one shameless ingrate.