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The Parsi People: Persian Zoroastrians In India
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I heard that there are around 70k Parsis in India. They have very good reputation here. Even some of the billionaires like tata are parsis. they are also known for their philantropy.
@@ashamsaud4737 yes, thanks for the correction
@@ThE-vp4op Twitter is not whole india. Many don't even care of Hindu Muslim bullshit
@TrueAryans that’s fuck all. You’re claiming that non Evil Muslims aren’t really Muslims. Most Muslims don’t actually follow a literalist interpretation of Quran anyway.
We Hindutva people are not fond of Muslim Persia but Pre-Islamic Zoroastrian Persia.
😂
@Jerry Louis with The Thickness never mind.....It was stupid
@Jerry Louis with The Thickness it was like years ago
@Jerry Louis with The Thickness yeah they really didn't
We are iranian and we hate islam but regim...😢
The Zoroastrians migrated to India after the Arab Invasions and asked an Indian King in Moden Day Gujarat Region, to grant them a Piece of Land where they would continue to burn their "Sacred Fire" (Their Representation of God in Zoroastrianism).
Zoroastrians never allowed Non Zoroastrians to come within a few miles of the Sacred Fire. The Indian King agreed to all these terms and let them live in India peacfully and never bothered them and it was forbidden for Indian Citizen to make contact or bother the Zoroastrians, Such was the Respect and Promise given by the Indian Kings to Zoroastrian Community.
This is how Zoroiastrianism flourished in India even after it was wiped out in Persia. We Hindus take great pride about this, In an era where Invasions and Wars were common, Our Great Kings gave refuge to Foreigners and allowed them to settle in our own Territory and Follow their own Religion, While ensuring our Hindu Culture and Belief never merged with theirs.
7:00 your understanding of India is very bad.... Most Hindus have no problem with religions that dont convert.
India also took in lots of Jews when the Romans destroyed their Jerusalem Temple, they never faced antisemitism there (no wonder Israel’s such good friends with them)
Parsis in India are not treated like royalty but treated with respect, since parsis dont break laws, but generate wealth and well integrated themselves to local culture and traditions. They earned respect from natives. Also they are used by the right wing to tell Indian Muslims,, "learn from them" how to behave. Today Parsis know nothing about Iran except some of their names still carry the title "Irani". They are totally blended with Indian ethos. @Atheist Republic
Their wealth comes from collabarating with british for opium trade
This lowkey reeks of classism.
no one gives a sshit about them ... only librandu has some fascination with everything foreign. By the way indian already defeated this parsa clan in the battle of 10 kings.
Parsis in India are localised in industrial regions of Guj and Mumbai. They traditionally were involved in Business and trade. So many legacy business persons in India are Parsis.
There are several Parsee people resident in the west that have been famous as musicians and the best known is Fredie Mercury of "Queen" but there is also Zubin Mehta a very famous conductor and then there is the amazing pianist and composer Sorabji who had a Parsee father and lived in England reaching an age of 96 -his most famous work is the "Opus Clavicembalicum" -the longest non repetitive music piece ever published going for 5 hours and he also wrote a symphony one thousand pages long.Richard Strauss the very famous early 20th century German composer wrote a very famous tone poem called "Thus Spake Zarathustra" inspired of course by Nietzsche used by Stanley Kubrick in his iconic film "2001 a Space Odyssey" -it depicts the prophet Zarathustra aka Zoroaster viewing the sunrise from a mountain top.When the Tata company of India(Run by a Zoroastrian or Parsee) launched their new mini car several years ago they used this piece as their theme music.
Parsis are treated like royalty because they are extremely rich and prosperous. They have a lot of religious similarities with Hinduism and they value education and socioeconomic mobility. So yes, Hindus see Parsis very favourably and don't often even realize that they are not ethnically native to India. Since their arrival, they were very mercantile in nature so they were treated similarly to Vaishyas, because that was their occupation.
maybe theyre treated like royalty because they are genuinely good people
These guys know nothing about india
Your understanding of India is atrocious. Indians are very welcoming to outsiders who respect the culture of the land. We’ve had Greeks, Scythians, Hepthalites, Ahom (of Tai origin) all assimilate very well.
Also, Parsis were not always high status. They rose up only in the last 200 years as they were one of the first to westernize and were favored by the Brits as racially they could relate to them. They were also involved in the Opium trade. However, they used their success and privilege very responsibly by building important public spaces in Bombay and starting many philanthropic initiatives.
"My people are Suzanna... and chat" surprisingly wholesome
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Persians here, Persians there..... PERSIANS ARE EVERYWHERE
Like Russia.
@@kikolandzik Like India
U have a problem
Parsi are noted for their philanthropy ~volunteer fie brigade ~ building hospitals ~ erc...
I used to love in Kolaba the Parsi part og Mumbai and never met a Zartoshi i did not like.
family from colaba
We have two groups of people in india that are of Iranian decent the Parsees and the Iranis. The Parsees are descendants of ancient Persians they are all Zoroastrians because Persians were Zoroastrians. The Iranis came later during the l Islamic invasions of india. Iranis came in as Islamic conquers mostly under Turkic rule. During the Turkic invasions of india, the Turks invaded with iranis, and Pashtoons who were newly islamafied groups, their motive was jihad on Hindus as they considered Hindus as kaffirs. Both Hindus and Parsee Zoroastrians were considered kaffirs by invading Muslim sunni Turks, and shia Iranis. Lastly india and Iran both share a Aryan heritage. India’s Vedic civilization is Aryan and north india was called Aryavarta (land of Aryas) back then North india included Pakistan and Afghanistan parts of eastern iran. When Persian empire expanded it also occupied Afghanistan and western India. So those territories went back and forth between Indo Aryan influence to Persian influences. Also in ancient time religion was mostly tied with ethnicity. The Judaism for example is a religion but it’s also based on Semitic lineage. The Parsees in india their Zoroastrian religion is tied to their ethic lineage, they don’t allow converts. Hinduism is also tied somewhat to lineage, Hindus trace their clan lineage back to Aryan Sages called Rishis. Only later religions reformed the etho religious identity in order to politically expand To expand dominance through conquest imperialism and colonialism. Islam and Christianity expanded through conquest, slavery, imperialism, and conquest. Islam spread through the sword, Christianity spread through guns. Very few non ethno centric religions expanded without violence, I can only think of Buddhism. Buddhism didn’t start out as a religion but it was a yogic order of monks with Gautama Buddha as their Guru (enlightened sage master). The Religions of india are called Arya Dharma, (the enlightened pathways) all of them were started by a sage that taught esoteric yogic mysticism to a select few disciples. Some gurus became extremely popular to a point they had a cult following over time it became a “separate religion” but all of these gurus were teaching yogic mysticism. Shiva and the Saptha Rishis of Sanatha Dharma(aka Hinduism), Mahaveer of Jain Dharma (Jainism), Gautama Bhudda of Dhaama (Buddhism), Guru Nanak of Sikhi Dharm (Sikhism). Fun fact even Zoroastrians used to called their religion Dahman related to the Sanskrit word Dharma. Hindus don’t have issue with other culturals and religions as long as those cultures show mutual respect, Hindus have a issue with Islam and 800 years of Islamic jihad on india persecution of Hindus, enslavement of Hindus, and see slavery of Hindu woman. They have the same issue with the British but rather than a religion, the British used racial superiority. Muslims used religious superiority. Also Indians don’t believe in Aryan invasion, they believe they are the aryans and that Indus Valley is a Vedic civilization but the euro centrists don’t believe it.
8:00 the way you laugh at them shows that you consider you above anyone else
The reason we treat them like royalty because we are tolerant and acceptable unlike Arabs who were their bloodthirsty
They contributed significantly in Automobile, Medical, Space programs, Military sectors for India. We treated them like ours and they helped us in becoming modern even after being looted by british for 200 years. So its treating them as upper class is like showing gratitude.
And IRAN HAD RELATIONS WITH THEM. They were Iranians before 1000 years.
Forget it these people have no humility. They are Western educated and think their opinions are the best. Our culture is different from theirs and teaches humility and respect. There is nothing wrong in trying to preserve our own culture and religion and we also treat Parsis with great respect coz they are actually great. They are provided with maligned information and don’t have knowledge of what happened on ground.
It's true that Paris/ Zoroastrianis are treated like upper caste but maybe it is because Indo Iranians have relations which predates both Hinduism and Ofcourse Islam. So people might not see them as foreigners.
@jerrylouiswiththethickness6403 Also they dont cry like a lil bitch for special permissions for their religion unlike some.
Parsi industrialized india ,won it many wars and became supreme court judges and lawyers
They started india's
First steel plant ,first airlines ,first new outlets ,first automobile plants. First weapon manufacturing plants everything
He'll they even gave insane contribution to textiles
Without them i say india would not have survived
Has nothing to do with Islam nor casteism. Islam isnt even an old religion. Parsis have managed to remain rich merchants in India more or less, and so they had less to worry and complain about. Its all related to Class. Ones who r in lower class will complain more since theg will be susceptible to being exploited more.
Parsis are respected of brothers because of their virtue of living because of sime great people from the community.
Pakistani and Indian muslim feel farsi language special not the large population of India
Funny how the same thing can be said about the word Hindu and india etc. Hindu is Arabicised version of Sindhu the name of the ethnic group from the river Sindh. And Hindu can be simply an ethnic denomination but of course it’s also become synonymous with religion even though many hindus are not religious. It’s even become political. I guess it’s funny how the same thing happened with Parsi in this case.
😂 it's not Arabic word. Hindu name is given by Persian they called us Hindu with love which is connected to Sindhu sarswati river & Himalaya. In Rigveda saptasindhu river is Haptahindu in Persian. Sarswati is Haraswati in Persian and goddess Anahita ❤ empire of Luvan (luv-kush is son of Rama).
Persian is not Muslims, for Hindus islamic Arabs are Rap*ist mur*derer who destroyed their temples & university. Parsa arya hindu is mentioned in Rigveda but not a single word about Muslim 🖕🏼
He just doesn't know a thing and claims himself to be a Parsi haahhahahaha
These people are a bunch of frustrated guys who doesn't have any idea of history or knowledge about the Vedic culture. They are just on paid internship.
No. He had elaborated what he means by the word Parsi and how its not necessarily associated with Zoroastrianism.
we are aryan
XD
that is not a meaningful label
Okay Hitler.
Not everybody in India carries the Aryan DNA 🧬
@@MasterCrow591 Yes we know and there nothing to be proud of Aryan /Dravidian/Mixed to start with
But have scene obsession of some Hindu academians who unnecessarily start ridiculing Aryan migration theory to India (undivided ofcourse)
"My Ancestor have killed millions of Parsi's in IRAN " I am proud Iranian.
For me, Hinduism is a further development of Zoroastrianism. There are too many branches and deviations from Zoroastrianism to Hinduism due to the undeveloped tradition of writing. This condition, over time, made the process of inheriting the teachings of monotheism contained in Zoroastrianism become very vague due to various deviations in the branches of Hinduism.
The above situation is very natural due to the process of teaching knowledge and beliefs only relying on oral traditions, which were very strong at that time. And indeed, many religious teachings have deviated over time. This fate was not unique to Zoroastrianism.
Unfortunately, when the tradition of writing began to strengthen, and Zoroastrian/Hindu religionists began to write down their religious teachings (in smriti and sruti), what happened was that each branch leader confirmed each branch of Hinduism and its respective deviations. So this is what we see and accept today.
9:00 what the heck is he making it up
Ok Q: when will you guys get over religion? ... Because 'fanatic' atheïst clearly are still emotional invested with religion somehow, becouse else they stopped caring either way am i right?!
When it stops trying to force its values on the rest of us and being an instrument of suffering and injustice around the world
Religion continues to be a harmful influence in the world that should not be ignored for the same reasons we should not ignore quack medicine and scams.
@@kensurridge9631 Are you not in forcing values like "progress" and "justice"? Or are you just same as religious fanatics who too in force their narrative??
@@heatedpants8437 that is a distortion of what I said
@@kensurridge9631 You talked about them being instrument of 'suffering' & 'injustice'. So obviously you find value in antithesis of these.
My point is if religions don't get to in force their values then why should atheists be exempted from such rule?
This must be one of the weirdest podcasts I have ever seen . He simply doesn't know a thing about Zorastrians. He must research and then talk in podcasts.
Freddie mercury
13:31
No parsis are very gentle people they contribute very much that why they have respect your history are very poor you should have researched more
Armin Iran was never Arabized but Islamized. There is a difference. The Iranian people preserved their language and culture and so they were not Arabized. However, they were Islamized. That is, their religion over time became Islam.
I also don't mind Farsi or Parsi. They are both fine. That said, I like accuracy. Therefore, I usually use Parsi instead of Farsi. Zoroastrianism or Mazdayansa are known as the Parsi or Irani community because of their geographical origin.
The Parsi community has contributed a lot to the Indian nation and this is why they are celebrated by some Indian people.
As an ethnic Persian, I believe all people are equal independent of their ethnicity, ancestry, nationality...etc.
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Persian language became the court language of Muslim rulers in most of northern and central India in later times (~1500 AD and later). That is when Persian became a royalty language.
Parsis do not even speak Persian at home. They all speak Gujarati. They are treated like special people mostly because of the unique way they blended into the larger Indian society. They never converted the local nor did they have any friction. Later, when Bombay became a British trading port, large number of Parsis from Gujarat migrated there to do trade. They quickly grew to prominence due to the edge they had over "natives" (British treated Parsis as non-native due to their "pure" Iranian descent, and hence they had more privilege as compared to their "native" Indian counterparts). Due to this privilege and their good sense of business, Parsis became among the whose-and-whose of Bombay. They are considered to be among the "architects" of South Bombay. Thus, the Parsis became British adjacent in many different ways. This is the reason Pasis are treated like royalty in India.
persian was the court language in a lot of india. especially during medival ages. Also the time when india was much more prosperous as compared to the world
@4:35 Well said. This inferiority complex regarding ancestors is disgusting.
So showing love for your culture ,for your civilization is disgusting?
No wonder western youth have gone woke with all this gender binary nonsense because there is simply no other thing to give them that semse of meaning and identity
everything you talk on subject, your making fool of yourself every this is wrong
Hahaa 😂😂 correct. They have no idea about history, real facts and figures. They know nothing about the Vedic culture and traditions and are just here mocking like fools. Seems like they are drunk or something.
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I love what you said at 10:00 about the aryans is so true. Props for actually bringing it up. The fact that it’s still so important today is obviously a legacy of the kind of invasion it was. The central Asian aryans seem to have spread in ancient Asia the way English culture has in the modern age and it left its mark.
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Parsis are very good peoples.
Parsis before the British Raj were like all other communities but were the most vocal minority against Muslims in India thanks to their history with Islam and riots were common between these two groups. Since Parsis were open to learning the English language they were chosen as the preferred people for opium trade with China by the British which helped them earn big money making them an affluent minority. Hindus in general respect hard working people, which is why communities like Jews, Parsis even Chinese are respected for what they did with their hardwork. Special status is given to communities like Jews and Parsis since they also align with the narrative of Islamic persecution which is all the rage in India these days. Not to mention notable Parsis like Tata helped build the Indian economy which makes Parsis undeclared "upper caste" in Indian society.
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This example you make a zoroastrians being upper caste in relation to hindu nationalism it is very similar to the relationship between Christian fundamentalism and zionism, right? Causes Indian were basically Persians that lineage is similar to the fact that Christianity orginates from Judaism as a hersey. I'm right aren't I x) I think the reason why the Hindu nationalist cRe so much is because it was exploited by the nazis when Indian nationalism was getting stronger in the 1940s, causing indian are like pseudo-ayrans and the nazis were like quasi aryans. There was a legion of Indian nationalist fascists in the waffen-ss. It was the tiger legion or the azad legion. Thats why mein kamf is a bestseller in India.
LMAO 🤣. Your comment is so funny. Literally, Indians are pure, white Germans and never faced any racism whatsoever? Like what reality are you living in?
We treat them like royals because we them docked in Gujarat they sent their peoples to king, then king sent them milk asking why should I give you refuge, in answer they return milk after adding sugar. That impressed the king and they still are like sugar in our civilisation.