Are we in Troy?
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- The cuneform tablet I show is not the actual one of the Hittite treaty, but an example tablet that I photographed myself and so owned the rights to the shot.
I'm a bit annoyed that I have to interrupt the piece-to-camera with the remark about Wlios's having a water-tunnel, but I think that it was necessary for clarity.
You may notice that the sound changes tone a couple of times. This is a result of my partially-successful attempts to filter out the wind noises.
Camera assistant: Jenny Eish.
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These are my favourite type of Lindybeige videos. It's a shame they don't get more views.
Same, the ancient videos are the best
I agree, 100k isn't to be sniffed at but looking at the effort he takes to make these videos i think it ought to have at least half a million. I suppose over time it will keep accumulating though. If I were a school history teacher Lindybeige would be a part of the curriculum. I love his conscientious enthusiasm and passion for what he does. I'm a subscriber to his channel and I've introduced him to a few of my pals who are subscribed now too. Keep up the good work.
@TheWoodenKnight Yes, and Ajax is really Aias. But then Achilles is really Achilleos (various spellings). Homer calls the city Ilium.
@MithraisAugustus In Britain, an archaeologist is either an archivist (dull), a digger (terrible pay and conditions), or an academic (sharp elbows required).
Could be good, though. Why am I not an archaeologist?
I've read a similar argument about Egyptian scribes. Because they were a powerful and entitled lot because of their exclusive skills, they had no incentive to develop a more accessible writing system. They did, however, have to write foreign names as well, for which they used the existing phonetic properties of their symbols. It was then foreign workers in Egypt with no writing systems of their own who adopted and streamlined some of these symbols to make their own phonetic writing systems.
I must be a scribe, 'cause nobody can read my handwriting either...
Capn Clawhammer same.
Capn Clawhammer same here basically. L.O.L.
Same
The clincher would be if this was the tunnel Diomedes and Odysseus used to enter the city... and they graffito-tagged it. :)
Well...Homer was telling stories based on already fairly old preexisting stories. So if his characters ever actually lived it was long before he was alive
I'd like to go vacation there, and explore the place, but I want to spend 2/3rds of my time sulking in a tent.
Ed Harley or send your men to go capture Hector and maybe a copy of The Iliad while their at it. The tail is much different than the movie
Sorry I haven't been pressing Like more often - these are very addictive.
+John Matthias i pressed likes on all vids! Except of 3 I don't agree with...
+ScienceDiscoverer I usually do too, but I was so caught up in the subject matter I was clicking next instead of observing the niceties.
Seems like cuneiform may have been designed by lawyers.
+Aadil Shah It was invented by Sumerian merchants actually, but the courts were fast to adopt it for internal record keeping, as Sumer was a series of competing city states and the state which could keep its affairs in order had a massive advantage over the ones that had to play guess-work. Also comes in handy for recording laws and treaties. So segments of the language were devised for book keeping and managing transactions and those segments are easier to learn and use than the ones designed for keeping more detailed records and writing laws and treaties.
Accountants but close enough
You make an excellent point about the scribes intentionally complicating the cuneiform script, as they certainly saw themselves as professionals with a specialized skill, and keeping the skill obscure and difficult to acquire guaranteed them continuous employment. You raise a lot of fascinating points in your videos, and I find myself watching one after another. Thank you.
I live in a town/city very close to Troy and I swear half the population of the place have never even been to the site.. such a shame.
I think the same argument could be made for software compiler writers.
You are partly right about Cuneiform. The script oriignally started out as pictographs but slowly evolved into a script that trained scholars, scribes, upper class and judicial position holders had to learn, being able to read and write the script, howvever most people couldn't read it and struggled to learn without the proper training, and it was perhaps designed in this way more as a code than a script, until eventually ny the time of the Akkaddians, everyday people coukd read and write Cuneiform.
Try the Kurrent in the Austrian War Archive.
*WindyBeige!* i think i will become a patreon just because i hope you happen to buy a microfone that thats more of your voice and less of your winds.. i mean less winds
Still.. love i your videos man
Lindy you are my inspiration
As usual a great 👍 show
@lindybeige Incindentally Indonesians spell and pronounce both Troy and Trojan as Troya.
if you want to know the trojan war happened over a 2 century long period. what happened was when the greeks sacked troy the trojans just kept coming back and rebuilding their city. so the greeks went back to troy and got a little caught up trying to clean up the mess.
Very nice!
The glories of copyright free music.
Maybe it was the first ever attempted encrypted text.
Every time I watch one of your videos I ask myself,"Why isn't he an archaeologist." This time I'll ask you. Why aren't you an archaeologist?
10 years late but...he is!
So the Iliad is the sea people's side of the story?
Hans Schliemann took care of a lot of the evidence of the place.
I thought I saw in one of your videos that you were an Archeologist, or is it that you have an archeology degree?
I couldn't discern the location from your intro
So where did the word Troy come from?
Im just glad the romans and greeks came along with more useful alpahbets xD
Leave bats alone!!!
In that case, perhaps a better question would be: Why aren't you a presenter on an archaeology show?
Lost language was lost forever?
I hope those scribes had dictionary hidden somewhere waiting to be dug up.
But it has an arch aren't those roman. (I am not a historian, just curious)
***** Ah ok thanks.
Troy was destroyed 85 BC but rebuilt by Augustus 20 BC. The Romans loved aquaducts and arches so yes the arch reinforcing the entrance must be roman, but the tunnel itself much older.
And they called my handwriting chicken scratch!?
When it comes to reasons behind restrictions, I'm going to draw the line at "disturbing the bats"
Your suspicion is well merited. (regarding cuneiform)
A WATER TUNNEL!
yes
Cuneiform looks sooo much like natural rock formations from just a short distance its crazy. Was that the point? Seems an odd thing to make your attempt at communication as easily mistaken for natural formation as possible. One things for sure, it is an amazing language to sneak messages into textural backgrounds with
Now I think I know why most people in the ancient world where illiterate.
So scribes were like 4th century BC Lawyers?
A river. Water. The realm of Poseidon. Hey, didn't a symbol of Poseidon let them into Troy in the Iliad?
Yes cuneiform had to be hard to read and write: that was all the point about having a chaste of scribes
A WATER TUNNEL?
You should have worn tight jeans like Michael Wood. I might have paid more attention. :-)
It wouldn't be surprising if scribes did purposefully make it hard to read what they wrote, similar to how law is so complicated only those who invest deeply into it can understand it. Certainly a good way to force people to use your services if you purposefully make it impossible to do without you.
No! Troy was in England!
Look up Iman Jacob Wilkens work
Are these the guys who went down the Danube and became Vikings?
gno nimo no, just no.
Of course its so
@@JohnyG29 that is the way history and DNA tell the tale
Some people believe that the Trojans resettled around west Caucasus, invented (As) iron working and called themselves Asa and their capital Asgard. Later they should have moved their capital to around the "Sea of Azov" near the river Don (from the goddess Dana).
Others believe that the Asa gods of Nordic mythology were a people who migrated from this area to Scandinavia and were later remembered as gods.
Put those two together and the Vikings (incl. Danes - from Dana? - and others) would be descendants of the Asa tribe, and originally of the Trojans.
But these are all speculations not proved by science.
Meh, they just didn't want to waste space on their tablets.
Christ failed to teach the arrogant scribes humility....it was Gutenberg who managed to do that.
job security for scribes
are you a tory
Sorry, I'm 10 Years Late. You're in the WRONG LAND. Homer describes icy mists and a battle that lasted around the clock for an entire day ... IN DAYLIGHT! Plus great tides etc. Only place that fits is the Scandinavian Baltic. Finland worked for Felice Vinci!
Read "Baltic Origin of Homer's Epic Tales".
Its almost as if you expect etching and chiseling into rock is an easy process that produces easily legible script.
Get real.
Jw5x5andShazoo I actually do enjoy all of Lindybeige's videos - in hindsight I definitely regret making that comment. I stand by my point though, nonetheless. Just could have been more polite about it.
+P4nda
It's neither etched or chiselled or rock.
Cuneiform script was formed by pressing a wedge into clay tablets, not by etching or chiseling into anything