If You Cast a Spell, You Die! | Much Abrew
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- Опубликовано: 3 июн 2024
- Can we set up a board state with Forced Fruition and a bunch of cards that punish our opponent for drawing cards in Historic so if they cast a single spell they lose the game on the spot? Let's see!
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0:00 Start
2:30 Games 
Игры
Seth: *Keeps making snippy comments about the opponent's card choice*
Also Seth: *Crushed to death by Craterhoof*
To be fair, trash talking is a major element to the game just like CoD or any other FPS lol🤣
Seth is being so forceful today. It's like when you continuously encourage the Rhystic Study/Consecrated Sphinx player to keep drawing in a commander game
Except you can't lose to Rhystic or ConSphinx since they are a may trigger.
@@DUxMORTEMexcept they still deck themselves, so they die on their draw step
@@aaronscott7467they're saying the player will just stop drawing extra cards at 10-30 cards left in deck
@@michaellooks8397at which point you start playing your mill-the-opponent cards
Interesting deck.
But I kinda like that Altar of Bhaal/Zombie infestation deck better. That was neat.
That deck was cursed beyond belief, 10/10 wish I had more wildcards.
@@livedandletdieplay it in the no-ban all access event. You can use dark ritual to go off even faster.
Super curious to see that deck in action too.
This deck reminds me of Bart and Lisa having that fight in the one episode of the Simpson.
Saffron Olive: I'm just gonna leave this Forced Fruition here, and if you cast a spell and die, its your own fault
"this is our only way out of the lock" making a control deck draw 7 cards every spell is also something that can be a wincondition in an emergency like that.
14:00 why did you not hold up Heartless Act for Fae of Wishes?
You had the removal in hand for the fae of wishes. Seth master of "how do i lose in this position."
Opponent 2 could have also been milled out with Forced Fruition even with the lock. Phyrexian Unlife + Solemnity doesn’t protect from mill.
Agreed, the Zombie Bhaal deck looks super cool, that would make for a fun and interesting episode
@14:22 man if only we had 2 mana and a 2 mana instant speed removal spell to cast in response to fae of wishes activation
One might say that Seth tried to "Clutch defeat from the jaws of victory" with casting of utopia sprawl.
He only had a single mana open
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle He had 1 mana left because he played Utopia Sprawl for no reason.
this drove me nuts too. It was right there.
@@MoneybagsMelbs
He also could've just enchanted his untapped land, since I don't think he has any cards in the deck that care about all his Auras being on one land.
This video could be called “Teaching Arena Zoomers About Priority”. The number of people who tried to remove the cards that would harm them, not understanding that will kill them, is funny.
LOL yep because the triggers still occur even when the offending card is bounced, exiled, or destroyed. Stack priority matters here, and those who don't know how it works will quickly find out 🤣
I also use Sheoldred and Underworld Dreams in my decks that utilize Forced Fruition but I take it a step further using Sanguine Bond so they take damage from Sheoldred even when I draw cards, AND I also use Liliana's Caress which makes them lose 2 life for every card they discard, so if they somehow survive drawing the 7 cards on casting a spell, once they realize their mistake and elect NOT to cast further spells they still take damage discarding down to 7 on the cleanup step 😂😂😂
Even though some people can find it distracting, I do find it adorable when Bear barks and Seth makes him out like a commentator.
We love Bear! ❤
At 5:30, you could actually have played Sheoldred + Forced Fruitition that turn. Since you have 2 Sanctum Weavers, and the Forced Fruitition is also an enchantment, you could have casted the Forced Fruitition with the 4 untapped lands and one Sanctum Seaver, and then shocked in the Breeding Pool and let your other Sanctum Weaver tap for 3 mana. This would be enough for a Sheoldred + Forced Fruitition.
Yep that sanctum weaver kept getting overlooked. I noticed that too
We love you Bear. Love your random barks. Love that you care what’s happening on board.❤❤❤
"Maybe we just try to win fairly"
- A man who just played Sheoldred and The One Ring
I really wanna build the Altar of Bhaal deck now lol. And that fae of wishes deck was pretty spicy too
I've had people try to cast removal against the sheoldred, draw 7, stack almost but not quite lethal on the triggers and then panic and cast another removal, ensuring death. I low key love this combo because it punishes not reading cards :D
Back when Forced Fruition was first printed, I made a deck that all my friends hated. Since we were all new, they couldn't figure out how to stop it.
In essence, the goal was to have Rule of Law, Forced Fruition, Decree of Silence, Power Conduit and Darksteel Reactor on the battlefield. Rest of the deck was permission and removal. It somehow worked well in my group, and caused quite a bit of angry outbursts
32:14 The opponent in this game had a MASSIVE punt!
Turn 3, they could have cast Fatal Push on Sheoldred after the Theater fetched a land, since Revolt was enabled. Based on Seth's draws later, opponent could have EASILY won the game by drawing enough cards and waiting long enough with something like a Ruin Crab to win the game.
Hey Seth,
I built a forced fruition deck about 13 years ago to play in the kitchen table, my friends hated it
Love that you finally out this one out! FF is one of my favourite cards to combo off with 💪
I have already been playing playing this deck as a "black burn" of sorts. This will make it even more solid, thank you.
Yesss, I’ve was using this with smothering tithe in the almost-no-ban playlist all last week, so much fun
25:19 We get a little Bear peek.
Aw, I saw him!
Forced Fruition is one of my favorite cards of all time. Please try to make more brews with it. Love your content man, you are the one who got me into Modern and Standard way back in the day
This reminds me of my first combo deck I ever played with peer into the abyss and underworld dreams
Holy shot. This deck is magnificent, it’s the best deck I’ve seen since I don’t fucking know when. I will try to bring this to a PT and destroy the field. The building, the lines, the overall vibe of the deck.. everything is masterfully crafted. It can’t get better than this. I don’t know how you top this deck Seffron.
Should have had a copy of peer into the abyss for a backup plan. While not forced fruition it combos with only 1 draw punishing effect
But at that point you may as well just be using Peer Into The Abyss instead. You can even go monoblack for Nykthos.
Don't get me wrong; I'm pretty confident Peer Into The Abyss is superior to Forced Fruition for this particular strategy, but Seth is trying to "make decks from all the Enchanted Tales cards"; including Peer Into The Abyss when you've basically knocked off the Peer Into The Abyss deck would be a little cheeky.
Match 2: I made a similar deck *wayyyyyy* back in the day using infestation and victimize. My targets were way more tame in things like pit spawn and Kuro. I'd love to see some AtO version where you run throne+victimize+anything else and reanimate some super broken cards.
Peer into the abyss is also a hilarious card to use here, and you can do it in mono black
Best used in mill decks, but yeah. What's really sad though is they are already taking damage from the Abyss itself...not including the Sheoldred/Underworld Dreams triggered damage. Honestly just casting that ONCE while either Sheoldred OR Underworld Dreams is in play is enough to kill them unless they are running a life gain deck but even then, they lose so much that they most likely won't recover before they die from further card draws later
Loved drafting this in wilds of eldrain in a control shell trying to mill them out lol
"deck them" is what I meant bc they weren't being milled lol
This is the kind of Magic I live for :D
Funnily enough, just before watching this I made a deck with the same core but Esper with Emergency Powers in the Historic No-Ban format :D Went great!
Gruff Triplets plus The Ozolith plus branching evolution is so good btw
You did it Seth! You broke Bowmasters and Sholdred!
I feel like Jin Gitaxias Core Augur would complement this deck really well. Or Peer into the Abyss, although that is a LOT of clicking
both of those cost more mana than FF
Reducing their max hand size to 0 is BRUTAL. Especially when paired with Liliana's Caress where they lose 2 life for every card discarded. Taking damage on the draw and when discarding is so EVIL lmfao.
Regarding the massive amount of clicks for triggers, you can turn on the auto accept for trigger popups to avoid that tedium
I played against a deck like this except they had the black Planeswalker card that does 2 damage to me when I draw.
One other thing I was to see happen more is "basilisk collar" on "bow master." Great way to kill creatures when they draw more.
14:52 you can always mill out the "lock" though, unless they have removal for forced fruition.
"We have sheoldred at home"
*plays two copies of underworld dreams
Thank you seth. I enjoyed this video
I've been playing a similar deck with a few Smothering Tithes and Induced Amnesia for fun. Not only does the opponent trigger their own death, maybe they can pay for part of it too. It amazes me how many times the opponent has had the cards on the table to beat me but needed to play that one more card to really pound me into the ground... and they end up losing for it.
I swear I've never seen anyone else play Altar of Bhaal until now, sweet card.
Immediately loading this into the all-access format and trying it out!
I'd honestly suggest the Peer Into The Abyss build - cuts out blue mana entirely, and you can even go monoblack and use Nykthos to ramp instead. IMO the only reason to use Forced Fruition here is to fulfil the criteria of making a deck that uses each Enchanted Tales card (which is what Seth's been trying to do), rather than because it's the best choice.
Beyond color and Nykthos ramp, Peer Into The Abyss usually only needs one on-draw card for lethal, whereas Fruition is going to require 2-3 or your opponent for it to win off a single spell cast (plus it does nothing if your opponent can somehow stay in the game without casting spells, whereas Abyss will win the game then and there if they can't deal with it).
Howling Mine would have been a good addition here!
Thought the same :-)
Nah...Font of Mythos is even better. That lets everyone draw 3 cards as opposed to 2 on the draw phase /w Howling Mine
What I'm learning here is that black decks are so strong right now that you can do anything with them.
I basically have a version of the deck in Commander. Quite a fun deck if you like drawing cards.
It is an Elenda And Azor deck if anyone was wondering.
I won a few matches forcing this card in limited and it was such a blast. Such a fun challenge.
24:32 the best cameo
I am a Green, Red and White player but this deck is so much fun that I begin grow interes in blue and black cards. Thank you, Seth for the tip! Your videos are so much clear and funn to watch. Hope I will be a new member of your channel. Cheers from Brazil!!!!!!
Against the solemnity unlife deck, a resolved forced fruition is like a 4 turn clock.
I'm a fan of Bear commentary, lol.
*Thanks for the Content!*
I find the timing of this video hilarious because just yesterday I tortured my friend group with Forced Fruition + Mirrormade.
LMAO 14 cards drawn per spell cast...Hilarious. Perfect way to bypass the 1 copy per card rule in Commander too. Well played
I thought that keeping up with 400+ new set releases every year was tough... Now I have to read the alchemy patch notes too?
Why does Drown in the Loch trigger forced fruition? I thought casting a copy was different than casting a spell?
I think 14:06 playing Utopia Sprawl was a bit of a punt. Keeping up Heartless Act would prevent them from bouncing their Fae of Wishes giving you a few more turns to ping.
13:40 whenever this happens to me I always wait until the next turn to play the land because I cannot bear the shame of my hubris.
Throw in a couple Sign in Bloods. If you need to dig, you can, or, if your got a few draw punishers down, its a massive burn spell.
This deck is an absolute banger. Well done Seth.
I think I played against this deck a couple days ago and it might have been Seth. Did you lose to a Skelton tribal deck?
Forced fruition only $2 now. I remember when it was as high as $18. Rly glad I waited
That Altar of Bhaal deck was Crazyyy
I wonder if you could make it where you try to win by decking them with Forced Fruition? No drain, just getting multiple copies of forced fruition to make them deck when casing 1 or 2 spells. Probably have some ramp and a good amount of removal/sweepers to get there?
For your next venture in the Wilds of eldraine enchantments, I suggest Oppression/Waste Not
Ohh, that sounds sweet!
I actually won a few drafts with Forced Fruition as a win con. The 7 card draw will kill you very fast on a 40 card deck.
You mean deck deathing people where they lose due to no cards in library? LOL nice
Weirdly this is what I have thought about crater-hoof for ages, everyone always uses it to overrun with like 10 creatures, but you only need a few to win.
It often gets used with so many creatures because elves flood so hard they have that many before the ramp reaches behemoth. It is interesting to see an elf deck play like they got a bad draw and drop craterhoof with only a few though.
Love some morning magic.
Ehm, where was the "hello everybody, it's Seth, probably better known as Saffron Olive"? You can't take this away from me!!
that 2nd deck was so cool especially as a graveyard addict
Am I missing something or is Orcish Bowmasters not triggering its ETB?
39:48 Swing and force a block? Even if they double block, that's a win. Then they can't crack back and gain enough to live.
Feel like Ob-Nixilis the hateful would fit in here really well
I love forced fruition! fun in commander too!
Seth rocking the red solo cup
33:30 was fun - causes their own death by trying to avoid it :D In fact exactly because of trying to avoid it :D
Just as Odin caused Ragnarok by seeking to avoid it. Self fulfilling prophecy 🤣
Forced Fruition and Narset Parter of Veils would be fun together.
How many Enchanted Tales are left?
I think that first opponent was hoping to time you out with all your triggers lol
You know what you need to play now Seth
What I learned today is that the historic bo3 ladder is absolutely unhinged
"Domain Expansion: Unlimited Void"
I get trying to 'break' all of the Enchanted Tales cards, but is it really breaking it if it's just an arguably worse Peer Into The Abyss shell (worse for splashing blue when Peer doesn't require a splash, and also enables Nykthos ramp if you go monoblack instead)?
Sorry, probably seems nitpicky. You did what you had to do - just feels like I'm watching Peer Into The Abyss with extra steps (lands and non-Nykthos ramp).
Edit: actually watching the video and the monowhite game is exactly why Peer is better. When you're behind on board, Forced Fruition doesn't do anything to win you the game, and your opponent can just ignore it and keep beating. Peer, however, almost certainly wins you the game in that spot.
I was going to reply the same thing. I think this video had an interesting concept however, the more straight forward option is a mono black ramp/Peer into the Abyss deck.
Seth not attacking at 39.47 lost him that game. Forcing them block that turn and then the turn after would've left them without the combo
14:15 couldn't he just have his removal open so that he can respond to the bounce with it?
So this is why I kept seeing the deck in no banlist historic. Lot of people learned today you don't need to cast spells with sneak attack on the board.
25:46 I think Belcher decks are not that common because it's really unexciting to play after you pull it off a few times. Doesn't help that activating Belcher in arena is very anticlimatic.
had a moment like this in a commander game
Had 2 bowmasters from a copy effect and forced fruition, every time someone case a spell I pinged for 14 and amased 14
1:11 RIP non-Alchemy Bowmasters on Arena
I’d cut the bowmasters all together in this. They still do virtually nothing. I’d probably also cut a copy of Forced Truition for 4 copies of some card draw.
Bowmasters aid with creature removal if you're already good on damage to the opponent through Sheoldred and Underworld Dreams since you get to choose the target to take that 1 damage per draw.
I'd agree with you though on the other draw spells such as Braingeyser for example
Enchanted Tales providing so many opportunities to teach Arena zoomers. Bless! 🙏🏾
Yooo, saw your match against Mythic where you use a Cave deck. Seriously?! 😂 Honestly, it was really cool.
Ha, a video about Caves is coming up soon!
Players are always forgetting that Rally the Ancestors has that additional cost of "Pay 35 Life"
Did forced fruition to my little nephew with his hobbits he’s like hell yeah card draw… then realized … lol
This card was so fun in eldraine draft against 40 card decks
this is basically my nekusar edh deck
Nice. Eat them tables boi
extinction event could be a good sweeper for this deck
Why not hold up heartless act against the phyrexian unlife deck just to be safe instead of eutopia sprawl
just pulled this :)
Arena - while visually captivating and cute with the creature animations - is difficult for me to follow what's going on. Still, I really enjoyed this janky deck. Super lolz. With the inclusion of blue mana, I advocate for dig spells like Preordain or similar to find your Forced Fruition. Perhaps remove Sanctum Weaver in favor of consistency and card selection. You had ample mana many situations but simply could not find that elusive Fruition. Great stuff nevertheless.
Have to agree his mana gain and ramp were good already without them. Brainstorm would be a good one to use too for digs
Ott-a-war-a has an R in it Mr Olive
Why is bow master not triggering on etb????