Jeremy Jackson: How we wrecked the ocean
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
- www.ted.com In this bracing talk, coral reef ecologist Jeremy Jackson lays out the shocking state of the ocean today: overfished, overheated, polluted, with indicators that things will get much worse. Astonishing photos and stats make the case.
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Hearing this makes me want to cry and explode with fury both at the same time and in equal measure. This is a wonderful talk. Respect and admiration for Mr Jackson. I hope this can be viewed and shared by as many people as possible.
We really are killing this planet...
I'm from Mississippi where the most popular fish to eat are farm bred catfish. While obviously there are no quick fixes to this problem, it would go a long way if consumers would insist only buying farmed fish. When we start to look on ocean caught fish as essentially wild game, we can harness those market forces that have destroyed our oceans to revive them.
One the more excellent and interesting TED talks lately.
It's hard to click "like" on a video like this, but thank you TED for hosting and posting this most excellent talk.
He just spoke at my university. Wonderful lecture very glad to meet him
damn i would like to meet this professor and learn from him! would be an honor!
Well I'm his nephew
+jack gabriel that must be awesome and depressing at the same time... getting to hear all of it and really grasp the magnitude of the problem the coral reefs and the world's oceans are in
He doesn't talk about that much, but his wife also published a book about marine biology.
My supervisor was a phd of his... I should be meeting him soon
I met him on Tuesday in my marine conservation class! It was truly an honor. This human is absolutely amazing. He is intelligent, witty, bold, and unapologetic. We need more people like Jeremy Jackson in environmental and conservation science.
I'm 27. Things may get worse and worse in the future. But I'll still like to see where this is all going. Whether we'll find a solution to remedy the majority of the pressing problems or we'll go down the drain.
The solution is simple: eat less fish. And for all those people asking what to eat my anwser is: eat chicken. It's cheap, tasty, easy to breed and chicken farms does not harm the environment. Whats funny is that in fish farms fish are actually fed with chicken (there was a ted talk about that).
At the end of his talk, when he said that as the ocean warms it will slow down nutrient and oxygen cycling, why will that happen? Will upwelling slow down, and if so why? Or is it the reduced difference in salinity levels that will slow down shallow-deep water cycling?
Warmer surface means more stratification-- the surface is less dense than deeper waters, so it is harder for deeper waters to "punch through" and mix with the surface. So yes, reduced upwelling. In some geographic areas climate change might also increase the frequency and intensity of wind events, in which case this might be a counter-acting force that could maintain decent upwelling despite increased solar heating of the ocean's surface. Another concern that he did not mention is that as CO2 concentration increases in the atmosphere, more CO2 is absorbed in the ocean, making the ocean more acidic. In some areas of the global ocean this is resulting in pH levels that actually make it harder or even impossible for shell-forming species such as oysters to make their calcium carbonate shells. Ocean acidification is a major threat to all shell-forming species, especially on the west coasts of continents, where upwelling tends to occur.
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@ThroneofEden That is not necessary true. To grow one kg of farmed fish you need two kg of wild fish. This leads more overfishing.
@rofferjak It's called stop overfishing wild fish. If more research and more effort went into fish farms the same way we have cattle farms and pig farms, then we would see a huge improvement in the ecology of the oceans.
Time for humanity to learn to live in harmony with nature. It is not just a resource, it is our world!
@whiteswamfromthesful you mean stop commercial fishing? Sport fishing doesn't affect fish stocks in larger populations.
Very empowering talk. It really is up to us, the people, to do something about climate change and environmental degradation. We make the choice to drive our cars, eat fish and meat, buy environmentally harmful electronics, throw away perfectly usable items instead of trying to lower our consumption and conserve our resources. "Be the change you want to see in the world" said Ghandi...
This has to be one of the saddest and scariest videos I have ever seen.
The sea floor after trawling just made me want to cry and the size difference in what is being caught after only 60 years is terrifying.
jack gabriel nice, what's it called?
@VictorphoenixDMvault You are right. Next year we will make room for a vegetable in our yard. We already are loaded with fruit trees and berries. But...we consider ourselves to be lucky to do so, not everyone can grow their own food. Plus, how long would a vegetable garden feed a family of 5 anyways. I know the apples, plums, cherries, and berries only last through the summer and our trees are hugh.
@juggep80
I don't know why I'm responding to your comment, but:
1. Global warming -> climate change -> leading to shifting of soil, crop and social conditions in countries.
2. Peak oil (and therefore energy depletion).
3. Water crisis.
4. Overpopulation in third world countries.
I'm feeding the troll here, but don't you think there's some problems that we'll be facing in the future? It's not all doomsaying. Some of these things might actually come to pass.
@HiAdrian Nevermind, just saw that some pictures are okay. I wonder how they could possibly fuck that up if they just uploaded the mp4's from their website...
really, really enlightening talk. I loved it.
That was depressing as hell.
Life's a piece of shit
When you look at it
Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true.
You'll see it's all a show
Keep 'em laughing as you go
Just remember that the last laugh is on you.
And always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the right side of life...
(Come on guys, cheer up!)
Eric Idle
We're so very screwed. End of story.
There are way to many people on this planet...
we really need to start thinking how we can sensibly limit the population growth..
Now the question is - what do we do?
@ThroneofEden cattle and pig farms aren't exactly ecological either.
16:51 half the people are sleeping hahahaha
Those are some goddamn big fish at around 6:00
@GrudgyDiablo This always happens; I doubt the codec has difficulty with this, so i suspect it's being done on purpose, maybe related to copyright issues.
Bothers me too.
This talk evokes a wide range of thoughts and emotions...
The final (and pointless) picture in my mind at the end was of enraged mobs dragging people like Glen Beck out of their homes and lynching them...
@ThroneofEden Fish farms are actually really bad for wild fish and the environment in most cases. Additionally the meat isn't as good. The best thing fisheries management could do would be to forbid large dragger operations and only allow small operations that don't cause the damage tot he floor of the ocean and have a much lower bycatch factor.
The planet will be back at peace when man is gone.
i thought this was jerry jackson.
great all the same
@DistinctiveBlend You still don"t get it....what has happened has happened....( you can cry about that all you want, it wont change anything) there is no way to go back and change our fishing habits or how we wrecklessly polluted the oceans...the point is we need to think more about our planet and it life cycle than, taking better care of the world we live in may ensure a longer more enjoyable stay for humans on this planet..AND that happens one person at a time
this is pretty dam scary.
this is just, well, utterly depressing. all politics and controversies aside, the never-ending stream of bleak news leaves me feeling sick.
Update its been 14 yrs, things haven't changed.
Save Our Planet
@whiteswamfromthesful
sport fishing isn't the problem. it's the massive fishing industry. We need to stop buying fish that comes from the free ocean.
but however i don't think the majority of people understand this or care. what we need is a strong government which actually do something about the problem
A more effective lobby would use the language of market corrections for externalities, making consumers pay for destruction of the commons, not letting them pass costs off to taxpayers. Now that talking point plays well with voters at large. Say stuff like, "the oceans are our legacy, and those bastards screwing it up for the rest of us need to pay us if they want to keep doing it." That inspires, outrages, sounds workable, and doesn't cause the public cognitive dissonance by blaming everyone.
@JosephW99
Wow, a WHOLE vegetable!!!!
(Not to detract from the worth of your comment, but I always find it humorous when an overlooked typo or omission puts an entirely new spin on things. Read once again the second line of your reply to VictorphoenixDMvault. I'm prone to committing semantic suicide myself sometimes, but considering a family of five, this was a good one.)
most lovely speech, passionate but not comphortable voice knowledgable Brand-new subject to think about scary. Human being I
we should protect the oceans !!!!!
Such an obvious and savage implicit condemnation of modern global capitalism (if not capitalism per se)...and yet, even alongside the global housing and securitization driven crises of the markets themselves, nothing puts the least dent in the 'markets macht frei' theology. No God but God, and Milton Friedman is his prophet.
Not even to mention the oil disaster ongoing in the gulf that, as a Floridian, brings a whole separate set of concerns.
What a mess. What a nightmare.
We need to do something
Awesome TY 8)
It was hard to press the "Like" button on this video given the horrifying message. Citizens of Earth should be attending mass protests against governments that allow fishing corporations to decimate our oceans like this. Thank you TED for this video.
Evolution of mind has successfully brought us into our accelerated future, but unfortunately with eyes which see only objects and want, not time and consequence. It's not quite so 'peachy' after all to be at the top of the food chain any more, is it?
@CraigusMalaigus way to detect sarcasm! You seem like an astute young chap.
Great. Now I'm totally depressed. Thanks a lot TED!
I was listening to this with another window in front of it, so I didn't see the video, and for the first minute or so I thought he was talking about a man named "Carl Reeves"
Lacks the TED edge. This topic has been covered, but could benefit from a more passionate presenter.
@revesvans I've been thinking about it!!!
@JosephW99
Haha I love how even after listening to this TED talk you make all about you...
the fish aren't disappearing. we know exactly where they went.
shifting waistlines
Yh but the leaders also want this and have more power to do so and as u say if companies will make more money doing something then most of them will do it no matter what the environmental cost. With great power comes great responsibility!
He sounds like Dr Finklestein. Once you hear it...
@Bigfishlittlepond You first.
@whiteswamfromthesful Stopping sport fishing will not have an impact on this problem, because it is not at cause in the first place. Also, all people involved are schooled very differently and are all quite different; I think all leaders of the world do understand but that it simply is not very high up their agenda, since there are more pressing matters which need attending (like the financial crisis, and the threat of nuclear terrorism).
Damn.... I knew it was bad but this bad... I think I'm gonna cry for a while. :(
The worst thing is that profit still is the highest goal in the human mind and they are willing to sell there soul for it.
We should be ashamed of our selves...
Surf and turf advert!
@revesvans I love Norway and lived in Oslo for 7 years.... but it's not exactly the most enviromentally-friendly country in the world. All the oil Norway has sold to the world has created huge amounts of CO2 and they are one of the few world nations that still have an active whaling industry... so lets not pretend that it's all wonderful.
@wobinidan No shit. The destruction of evolution from the bottom up; quite an accomplishment. Humans are smart like that.
@revesvans too bad it is so damn cold there...
Is there any hope? Please, somebody, tell me there's hope.
STOP EATING FISH!
they say, 90/5 % percent of the fix is knowing what ails us. Also know the universe works best when we's asleep. Time to let all our busyNess implode to doing as little as possible as much of the time we can get away with. He is right, it is us who need shift from productivity (and oft mindless busyNess to the art and act of being .
@Jontman42 True...
I pretty much knew all of what he said before I watched this video. Too bad people won't listen to him even though they know he's right! Human greed is a very very powerful thing!
This shits real, yo
i see no hope cos Humans kill for no reason n animals kill for food. love n peace
we need to stabilize the global population
@JosephW99
The video highlights the damage that has already been done and that it wont just fix itself, that things are now under attack from many different angles that we pretty much created.
Yet in you come complaining that your diet might have to change. I found that amusing as it's long past that point now and unfortunately too many people don't know and/or care. I'm not saying don't do it, I'm saying far more is needed now.
Yes true, so what's your point?
@CraigusMalaigus Humanity did not destroy the planet. Capitalism has destroyed the security of the future of humanity. People used to know how to live well on this planet. Some of us have forgotten. We need to remember.
Hi video lessons
@revesvans ... and hardly any sun or daylight ;) (no offence, I really love Scandinavia)
@Swissynopants oh yeah !!!!
@DeletedDelusion Corporations and mindless businessmen maybe, but not regular people who just want to live
with what money? ....ours
If this guy knew what he was talking about, he wouldn't compared an old photo of a catch of Goliath Groupers with a catch of recent snappers. Adult fish are much different in size, say, hundreds of pounds and Goliath Groupers are illegal to possess now. Biological pollutants are deadly , but more deadly than this oil spill in the Gulf ?????? Don't think so ! We'll lose all of our fisheries by 2048 ?? Perhaps if pollutants at the current rate persist, but not by overfishing. 5:13 to 5:45 lol !
Agent Smith was right.
@Megasroxlol 'Carbon' in this sense is an abbreviation of Carbon Dioxide, not just the element Carbon. Carbon Dioxide is a greenhouse gas, responsible for global temperature rises. Humans are not made from Carbon Dioxide. Even if we were... the average american weighs 86kgs... but releases 20 tons of CO2 per year. Your comment means fuck all.
its sorta funny when he talks about what we'll see in the oceans in 50 or so years.... when it gets to that point it's highly provable there won't be many of us left to see it. at the end he almost UNDER-states the importance of what he's saying, and of us getting rid of modern civilization
(the need to import resources, and living beyond what your land base can produce), agriculture (monoculture that destroys living systems and makes us live OUTSIDE the natural world), and such...
well thats left me feelng depressed and helpless....not a good start to the day
Sustainable harvest wouldn't be as profitable, so it's not gonna happen. People r just after myopic gains, both in production & consumption. thus whole ecosystems r being permanently devastated. The inertia may already be impossible to stop, but those of us who care don't have to participate. Hope they get good at growing "meat" in the lab. Sounds gross, but progress has been made - just haven't gotten the texture right. That would be guilt-free carnivorism! I'll have the filet du petri, please.
@Jontman42
We can't stop, we got to make money...
@whiteswamfromthesful
sport fishing has no effect at all (compared to the fishing industry)
i don't think that making sport fishing illigal would do anything other than uppset people. You say the government is to blame, but who is the government? the government is the people! How strong the government is, is the same as how much we as individuals cooporate with each other. And the reason why the governemt doesn't have the money is because we/the people have to vote for a stronger government.
So what the fuck am I supposed to eat now....I mean we just changed to fish because the meat industry is so inhumane and unhealthy.....This leaves me with carrots and peanuts and I am already tired of carrots and peanuts....sardines are the healthiest meat we can eat and have a comeback or regrowth rate far better than any other fish....I'm stick'n with the sardine, carrots and peanuts until I hear from the next genius that sardins, carrots and peanuts are actually bad for your health.
I want to save the oceans, but only because I want to keep eating fish. :P
More great news.
Disturbing...
yup, earth has been here for 4 billion years, and we are gonna wreck it in less than 200.. ok, keep telling yourself that. Never mind the 100,000 year cycle of heating and cooling due to Milankovitch cycles or the fact that we have been entering the peak of one of those cycles for a while now.. Lets keep talking about how WE are so important that WE have the ability to destroy something that has endured for longer than we can fathom.
Michael Sticlaru George Carlin said it best: "The planet will be fine. Humans are fucked, but the planet will be fine."
@JosephW99
Eat what you want to eat, and don't let karma affect your diet.
Humanity has it coming
I would love that everything was dead in the ocean. I can then enjoy a fearless swim.
LOL
@CheeezMaster
shit... sorry meneer :(
Stop destroying Earth god damn it
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