How to Move Baseboard Heating | Ask This Old House
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- In this video, Ask This Old House plumbing and heating expert Richard Trethewey helps a homeowner by moving a hot water baseboard heater from one side of a room to another.
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Richard Trethewey helps a homeowner relocate a poorly placed baseboard heater that has been doing very little to heat the space. The heater is located in what used to be a kitchen, but is now a newly renovated family room.
Time: 2-3 hours
Cost: $200
Skill Level: Hard
Tools:
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PEX expansion tool [amzn.to/3cYYBXm]
Shopping List:
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Steps for moving a baseboard heater:
1. There are two types of baseboard heaters, electric and hydronic heaters. Figure out what type you have before starting any work. In this case, Richard moved a hydronic heater. Hot water baseboard heaters require some plumbing knowledge, so hiring a professional is advised.
2. Shut off the water lines to the particular zone you are working with. Shut off the boiler electric switch. Wait for the lines and baseboard heater to cool down.
3. Attach a hose to the drain valve and empty the remaining water.
4. Cut the PEX supply and return lines and let them drain into a bucket.
5. Remove the baseboard cover and copper pipe and fins.
6. Measure where you want the basement heater to go. Remove any baseboard trim from the wall.
7. Drill two holes where the pipes will run back down to the mechanical room.
8. Install the hydronic baseboard to the desired wall.
9. Place the fin tube into the baseboard.
10. Richard recommends using expansion cradles to make baseboards quieter when they heat up.
11. Make sure both ends of the copper pipe end over the holes you drill. If not, cut the pipe back. Then clean, flux, and solder the copper fitting on both sides.
12. Once the solder connections have cooled, it is time to make the PEX connections. Take out the baseboard element to make the next connections.
13. Use a PEX expansion ring to slip over the tubing. Then use a PEX expansion tool to expand the sleeve to be able to fit over the copper fitting. Hold for a few seconds until the PEX has shrunk down to the fitting. Do the same to the other side.
14. Pick up the baseboard element and carefully put the PEX tubing down the holes that were drilled earlier.
15. Make the new PEX connections where the new lines are run.
16. Place the baseboard cover on.
17. Turn the boiler and water supply back on.
Where to find it?
The homeowners had a baseboard heating system with ¾” PEX lines [bit.ly/3mOJvHi], which were manufactured by Uponor [www.uponor-usa...]. To move the baseboard from one side of the room to the other, all Richard needed to do was cut the PEX and move it to the other side of the room.
While Richard could have moved the existing baseboard over, he thought it would be better to install a new baseboard with a taller cover to make it more efficient. The one he installed is a Multi/Pak 80 residential hot water baseboard heater, which is manufactured by Slant/Fin [www.slantfin.com/].
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That mechanical area was beautiful with all of the pro-press copper. I have a 1940 house with cast iron radiators and the basement is a headknocking jungle of old pipes. I'm jealous of the nice, tucked out the way pex lines in her house.
I don't trust plastic pipe with hot water in it.
Richard was having a little bit of fun with this one.
That was nice of him to put the old piece of baseboard on the other side... and then leave the holes in the floor :)
Norm is going over to fix holes😁
😂
Lol
Good thing it wasn't his job to do any of that lol his job was to move the heater that's it.
That's not his specialty, best left to a trim carpenter to deal with.
She's a great guest!
Smh
Wow I remember when Richard did a video a long time ago about noisy radiators. He talked about the plastic support not in the right position. I followed his tips back then and no more noisy radiators. 👍
I just assumed these were noisy, now I need to check mine at home because the ting and pop
What tool he used to open the plastic thing?
There are many kinds out there, just look up “pex expansion tool”. He used a power tool.
The floor of the home is so beautiful
Hahahahaha watching this brings back so
Many memories! 😂😂
Nice video…you were a great assistant as he said! ☺️👍🏾
Love the hole from the old heater was left a hole lol
Looks good, but at 6:00 that baseboard is loose as hell- It's not even attached to the wall. I'd be pissed if I paid a contractor to do that.
I get clicking when the back plate flexes. So I loosened mine and it went away. I believe it’s loose on purpose for that reason. I wish he would have explained that.
@@FilamentFriday i don't think so. the housing is isolated from the element with plastic carriers. Dang thing is loose as hell.
That alligator play thing looks great, getting that for my daughter forsure.
Wish they would have shown how he purged the system. Also how to fix the hole in the floor lol.
Her mannerisms, accent and inflection remind of Rich Benois of RichRebuilds
Yes!
A lovely home owner and TOH guest.
@@JD987abc it's meant as a compliment
Everything I've read online about Pex A says that it shouldn't be used for hot water baseboards because it doesn't have an oxygen barrier coating. PEX A is intended for domestic water supply. The orange PEX has the oxygen barrier coating.
Yeah, I figured he was gonna swap it for orange PEX-Al
Upanor brand is white ish and contains the oxygen barrier too. It doesn’t have to be orange
Nice of them to have originally used uponor PEX.
I didn't think you could use expansion pex because it doesn't have an oxygen barrier
heating lines would be better in copper
Does anyone know which boiler is used in this video?
6:02 the enclosure isn't fastened to the wall. 👎
good eye.
Amazing how many people comment on the holes in the floor Rich leaves behind. I guess the average youtube troller doesn't know that plumbers aren't finish carpenters. He also didn't do the paint touch up. Again, because he's a plumber.
Very interesting
You’re not in Maine by chance, are you? How much do you think it would cost to install baseboard heat AND all of that equipment in the basement for a 2 story home, 1,400 square feet?
The tankless boiler alone was quoted $10k from my local plumber.... lol
And those slant/fin baseboards are decently cheap from i think home depot, but they always arrive damaged
Is there a way I can turn these off completely? Instead of covering the top vent from airflow?
I have a question about a kitchen remodel. We have 12’ of hot water baseboard heat in our kitchen. When we gut the kitchen, we are taking 6’ of that wall and putting the fridge and cabinets against the wall. We are putting a toe kick in to bring the heat out thru the cabin base, but what about the fridge? If it’s supposed to be a counter depth fridge, won’t it stick out because of the pipe? My husband won’t let me call his buddy the HAVAC guy to answer this question. It’s really eating at me. I can’t think about anything else. Thanks.
Did you ever find an answer to this question? I’m going to be dealing with a similar situation soon
@@jasonkichline9826 yes i did. The layout of this wall is Broom closet, fridge, six foot of cabinets. The baseboard heat is behind the cabinets. We are pulling it forward, installing the toe kick and re routing the baseboard heating back behind the fridge into the floor or wall Joyce’s. I know the word spelled incorrectly The key is they use a flexible kind of pipe. The plumber is installing it. There are you tube videos that can show you how, but you basically put a register in the base of the cabinets that has a fan and pushes the heat out of the toe kick, and the rest of it goes in the floor or wall. Hope this makes sense. Good luck.
A+
Can have him over, fix my problem , I can’t find anybody can do this work in my area
We just had a whole new system installed in an old house. Drywall is torn out in order to install new pex tubing and new baseboard heaters in the basement. The problem is they install the baseboard heaters directly to the bare wood studs before the drywall it was put back. This can’t be right? How do we replace drywall? Would you ever do it like this? Trying to get our installer to remedy, but they are ghosting us.
Did you get a solution to this? What did they do to fix it? (note: I'm trying to avoid this scenario as I start a project)
@@nospam276 we ended up driving to their office and speaking with the VP who made the installer come back and reinstall the baseboard heaters so that we could do drywall behind it. Such a hassle. I hope your project goes better. Incidentally that company suddenly my closed and went on the auction block 4 months later. Owner moved to Florida. be careful who you hire!
According to a 1950s sears kit home book.... thats the 'nicer' look.... lol
I wish i could recess mine that way but i got block walls
What about the electrical to that baseboard though?
There are two different kinds of baseboard heating, electric and hydronic/hot water or steam This is a hot water style baseboard no electricity, no wires.
It is possible to do this process in winter time.?? Outside is freezing cold ( I have 3 zones )
If somehow you can just shut off the 1 zone.... otherwise youll be without heat till its finished if you dont mess it up beyond your ability
Can Someone shed some light about those fittings? They have memory? Nothing more to do for a tight seal? I have never seen those.
It's a pex expansion fitting, you expand the pex and sleeve either with a manual or battery operated expander, insert your fitting, then it shrinks back to clamp onto the fitting
Uponor fittings
I'm starting to see a few people have issues with these now. Apparently expanding it that much can put a permanent stress on that fitting and some of them are cracking. It's rare but it's happening. A lot of guys are sticking with the crimp fittings now
2:40
Didn't fix that hole in the floor tho
Kitchen floor is full of open holes.
He’s a plumber, not a carpenter dammit.
is expensive ? the electric bill?
It's either natural gas or propane powered hot water so only uses enough electricity for the pumps really. Not the most affordable system but it's a cheap upgrade for them vs installing a heatpump,which isn't so effective in older homes without a modern open floor plan.
He said GAS-tankless boiler
Not electric
Number 1 yes
who does number 2 work for?
@@TrumpAmerica-2024 just hold on we'll get through this together
This Old House with Baseboard Heat. . And no A/C.
this old screw no a/c
This Old House with Baseboard Heat and an ugly mini split in every room!
This Old set in New England where mild summers are 8 weeks
@@89Ayten 8 weeks? Are you talking about north Canada?
@@Bremend idk about 8 week summers in NE, I live in CT. But it is super common around here for any house built before 1990 (maybe later even) to not have ac.
Mini splits are an easier retrofit than ductwork is.
Give me copper tubing any day vs pex
Why?
I'm going with pex rerunning all my copper lines cuz it's extremely unorganized and looks terrible
The future is now old man
give me fuel, give me fire
No thanks (and I have copper pipes)
Zoalal
she sounds like she is selling a house :)
Come on This Old House. Fix the hole in the floor. That looks ugly.
That’s Tom’s job!
every since the George Floyd incident they've forced them to have more blacks on the show😂
the new mascot for george floyd high is a syringe
wow.. ever think she is just a fan of the show and wanted her heater moved? who cares if she is black or white or asian or whatever else..
@@chrisburns5691 yet here you are
@@TrumpAmerica-2024 yes I'm here because I enjoyed the video and called out a comment from some racist simpleton.. what is your point? If you even have one.
this old "cultural diversity"
this old triggered ❄️❄️❄️ comments
you don't approve of a black person being interested in the show and inviting them to help her out? white people only? are you a backwater hillbilly racist?
@@chrisburns5691 blm right? Buy Large Mansions