How to Quiet Noisy Baseboard Heat | Ask This Old House
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- Опубликовано: 22 дек 2018
- Ask This Old House plumbing and heating expert Richard Trethewey helps a homeowner diagnose and solve a baseboard hot water system that makes noise.
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Richard found the origin of the noise coming from forced hot water return pipe. The original installer didn't account for the expansion and contraction so when the heat turned on, the copper return line expanded into the drywall, causing a tapping noise.
For every 100 feet of copper pipe, the pipe can expand or contract between 1-2 inches.
Richard was able to quiet the noisy baseboard heating system by removing two inches of copper pipe from the return line, giving space for the pipe to expand and contract without rubbing or touching on the drywall.
Time: 1 hour
Cost: $75
Skill Level: Moderate
Tools List for Silencing Noisy Baseboard Heating:
Small pipe cutter
Plumber’s sandpaper
Torch
Shopping List:
Copper coupling
Flux
Solder
Steps:
1. Remove the baseboard covers to see how the piping is run. Copper pipe will expand when heated, so look for places where the pipe is too close to walls or corners to allow for proper expansion.
2. Before modifying any piping, close the valves for the zone that needs repair.
3. Drain down enough water to ensure the work area will be dry.
4. Clean the pipe before cutting it using plumber’s sandpaper.
5. Use a small tubing cutter to cut the existing pipe.
6. Determine how much pipe needs to be removed to allow expansion room and cut that using the tubing cutter.
7. Add flux to the cut pipe and a cleaned copper coupling.
8. Apply heat with a torch and when the flux bubbles, touch the solder to the joint to make a watertight connection.
Resources:
The copper fittings, solder, and torch used to fix the noisy baseboard heating system can be found at a home center.
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He is worth every penny.
Good natural customer interaction today!
Richard and Tommy are the best. I love both of them.
Absolutely agree. If Mrs Tommy only knew that I adore her hubby!
Wow, this old house, always done right! 👍
Great job Richard well diagnosed
Pipe whisperers, I really like that, great vid I could have done with you guys at my last renovation 👍
Wow! Good diagnosis 👍
I have hydronic heating in a 150-year-old farmhouse; it is mostly baseboard, but there are 6 exposed cast-iron radiators included in the loops. To mitigate the burn risk on the radiators, I run the water at 165. It's still uncomfortably hot to the touch when it is going full-bore, but not instant-burn hot. Domestic hot water comes from an indirect hot water tank, which is connected to a special connector on the control board such that when the tank calls for heat (as opposed to a zone thermostat), the boiler runs at the full 180 degrees for faster recovery.
Love this. You guys are awesome ❤
I've seen shims used to space the pipes when I did water restoration and mold remediation
Wow that’s incredible and fascinating to learn copper pipes expand with heat! I had no idea and to learn it’s a simple fix is great to know. Thanks ‘this old house’!
Lavinia I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. Link in my about tab.
At this heating system( I have that myself) wherever the copper pipe hits or moves on some kind of holder/bracket specificially if it hits any metal,it should be covert with FELT,so the pipe can easily glide back and fort without making noise. I had to do this in my house after I bought it because the noise was driving me crazy.
Can you show a picture of what you did please?
Science we so often forget. Coefficients of expansion. Great video
Wow now this was AWSOME information. Thanks so much. 😊🙏🏽👍🏾
Thats some very efficient and cheap service! Im dying with the noise in my apartment meanwhile I am afraid to call the plumber as they charged 200euro last time for changing a radiator head....
Victor I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. Link in my about tab.
Its better to expand the house 1 inch.
What do you drink, smoke or snort?
Big brain time
Great video, thanks!
Richard is a genius
Its these simple tips and know how is why I love this show.
My hot water baseboard expansion probably keeps the neighbors awake at night. Wonder if the rhythmic BANGING was the genesis of heavy metal rock music?
Very nice!
Great programme.
Jabs I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. Link in my about tab.
I have pretty much the same boiler pipes but I hear only at times a banging noise when the upper zone shuts off. I was hoping your video mentioned banging noises.
nice work and thank you very much for this information .
mhb I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. Link in my about tab.
Best plumber right there
Rich is lookin trim n fit! Keep on Mr. Rich luv watchin you
I’m going with runtal hydronic radiators!! Super high quality and made in America! 👍👍👍
And no were neer as efficient as a condensing boiler.
Half right. What you should have done is inserted an expansion coupling instead of the straight coupling. We normally fit them in each change of direction and they have a bracket that you fix to the wall and the elbow allows the pipe to expand/contract within the fitting. And start using a pipe slice instead of these mini cutters, haven’t used one of these for years.
it's all about troubleshooting.
It really requires lots of knowledge
This is a great video
Do you bleed air after you cut the pipe and re-soldered the pipe? Thanks
That’s the cleanest heater in the world
Thank you for the info. That really helps me out my house.
Same thing happens with the copper soil stack in my house. Have a hot shower it creaks and bangs, as it cools off or if you flush the throne or run cold water you can hear the pipe backing off whatever it is pushing on.
How come there were no fins on most of the supply / heat copper tubing inside the baseboard? (I understand that the return would not have them.)
Richard the pipe whisperer.
I need help changing a Convector Heater (Baseboard). Is there any videos that you have made to help me?
Question
Can I have two zones and one thermostat??
is it just me or would it have been smart to install a small U of pipe to allow expansion and contraction and break up the long runs? I seem to remember that is how you normally do long runs of piping, but it may be overkill here
Ahh, the sounds that terrified me as a kid
All I here is tick tick tick tick tick on and off and on and off 🙄
When I was a kid, we had unusual baseboards with 1" or maybe even 1.25 inch copper pipes running through them downstairs and box convectors with 1/2" pipes upstairs. The main loop just ran right through all the downstairs radiators, so the upstairs ones were the only ones that could stop working if they had too much air. But the downstairs ones gurgled like crazy and pinged loudly as well. The sound never bothered me, it always reminded me of the first fall we lived in that house. I even liked the smell from those things.
Genius
Stop cutting out the hardest part of the video getting the cover fully off and on, you cheaters
^ ^ ;)
We all know it's a dang... you wanna sit n watch them diddle that crap? Shut up
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I despise my loud baseboard heat in my bedroom. Wakes me up!
I have a radiator heater but from the floor it's making a very loud screech/chirp sound. I woke up thinking I had a screaming opposom down there until it also did it next to the other heater. But the heater isn't on. Its 80 degrees.
Any ideas?
How can I fix one of these that doesn't heat up?
How about the gurgling of air in the line? Got a fix for that? Thanks
yes have heating guy bleed the line and maybe add a device that can bleed air automaticly
When the heat comes on in our house, there's a noise like a machine gun that reverberates through the whole house. I found a spot where the main heating trunk line goes through a hole in a steel I-beam, but has deflected and is resting and rubbing on the beam. That beam crosses through the entire house.
I have an issue in our basement master bedroom where the baseboard heater clicks and ticks out of control. It makes minor sounds in the rest of the house but in this one room it is exceptionally loud. Anyone have any experience resolving that sort of sound problem?
I was curious as to why Richard did not mention "bleeding " the system for air as well. When our technician services our system each year an starts it up for the season, he bleeds the system of any air.
I believe bleeding the system is a remedy for gurgling or dripping sounds in the radiators, but it wouldn’t fix the fact that the pipes themselves as shown in this video are too long.
We used to bleed ours at least every year, but I later learned that with some valves (only the kind with rubber washers), if you tighten them just enough to stop the water, they'll dry out and bleed out any air that builds up. Some others have a float to automatically let out any air. But the small, all-metal kind need to be bled manually.
Badass
Wish life was that easy
peace I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. Link in my about tab.
What if you hear water running through the pipes?
YOU DA MAN
Anyone else get an ad of this old house while watching a this old house video
Please can u advise. Everytime we open water from upstairs bathroom directly downstairs in our kitchen we can hear a tik tik tik noise . Ive had one plumber out. He opened all my taps in the house slightly not fully flushed both my toilets and outside hoose pipe tap. He said the cause is airlock in the water copper pipes. Any idea what it could be as we still have the issue of the noise especially if we open the tap upstairs after a while. If we open the tap and close it and keep repeating constantly then no noise.
Also by 2 water pipes are loose behind the sink aswell. No idea if this makes a difference to the issue or not as not clipped
The ticking sounds like rubbing from expansion to me. My pipes do that every now and then.
The creaks, clicks, and pops in my baseboard radiators are due to simple expansion/contraction rubbing on the pipe hangers, not limited clearance.
To fix it is even simpler, by just adding a piece of felt between the pipe and hangers.
I like the noises though. 😊
They actually had a similar video where that exact issue was addressed.
@@zcpoling
I think I remember seeing it years ago.
As in noisy pipes but the furnace is working? I will try your felt padding idea.
Mines obnoxious. Hate the noise in my bedroom. One day I'll investigate. It sounds like Quigly mansion.
@@deecee901 DeeCee I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. Link in my about tab.
I know I'm alone with this, but I actually like the creaking and clicking of my hot water baseboard heaters.
It's like the house telling me that it's keeping me warm.
Rob L. Okay..
Ha I know what you mean
That’s weird dude
The house is also telling you it's getting stressed by expansion and contractions.
rthat1
Not my house. The noise is due to rubbing on the pipe hangers, which is by far the most common cause.
Expanding into a wall is rare.
I so need that extra inch.
that's what she said...
Length and width
Tell the truth. I guess you’re not the warming up enough LOL
I guess some people just dont understand irony.
I’m tellin ya this guy is a warlock
Those retros 4s 1:20
He sure is smart!
0:35 IT CAN, But it depends on the equipment you have installed.
i'm curious why this system doesn't just have an expansion loop built in somewhere to avoid the expansion along the corners to begin with.
The expansion and contraction is of the copper hot water supply and return lines, and not caused by the expansion of the fluid itself.
Almost all hydronic systems are required to include an expansion tank (the one installed in the owner’s house is visible around the 3:46 mark), however, some hydronic loops may be so small, or have such a low Delta T that the expansion is negligible, and engineers are allowed to safely neglect the installation of an expansion tank. Such installations may include radiant ice melting panels, or even re-heat coils in make up air units which exchange heat between a glycol loop, and the central hot water loop from a boiler plant. These glycol systems are usually very small, and do not have to endure large differences in temperature.
"Richard: The Pipe Whisperer" I see a new segment there....
This seems like a really obscure and uncommon cause for this very common problem.
Why didn't you reamed the pipe? Also, all the books I have read say that you should heat the pipe first and then the fitting so that you do not burn the flux out.
You’ve read books on soldering?
CHOMAHOMA I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. Link in my about tab.
What's the efficiency of that type of system? Looks like something that needs an update, not a repair.
Less than 90%
Now the efficiency between 80 and 90 is a whole different ballgame.
Now, he just has to call in Tom Silva to fix the cracks in the walls that were caused by the pipe.
Jason Gates I was thinking the same thing! 😄
Every night my water heater makes loud noises that wake me up. I called 3 plumbers and nobody is able to ping point the issue and fix it. I’m fine with the leaking-kind-of-noise but this is too much. I need help!
How big is that house to need 4 zones?
At least one for upstairs, one for down, and one for each bedroom. Its about efficiency because that old boiler isn't
Caleb Gagne an associate has 8 zones ,,8 thermostats, which is great
Caleb Gagne... In that neck of the woods, not far from me, it's common to update a system from a single zone (whole house) to one zone per floor, then one more for domestic hot water. Likely there's a finished basement here so a third floor to heat, and four circulators or one circulator and zone valves to control the flow.
them jordans though...
It would have been more interesting if the noise were evil sounding whispers from another dimension and cutting the pipe like he did fixed it.
It’s a shame that I have to watch the latest episodes of Ask This Old House on RUclips instead of on my local PBS station!
John G whays a pbs?
WHOOOOOO PATRIOTS!!! LFG!!!!
180 degree water isn't superheated water. It's heated water...
su·per·heat
/ˌso͞opərˈhēt/
PHYSICS
verb1.heat (a liquid) under pressure above its boiling point without vaporization.
noun1.the excess of temperature of a vapor above its temperature of saturation.
better to baffle them with bullshit
If it no longer makes noise, how do you know it's really on?
place hand in front of radiator to feel hot air.
@@h7opolo But I have to get out of bed to do that.
He's huntin wabbits. Be vewy vewy quiet
Duck Season
3:21 With exception of water; It expands at lower temperatures
no things expend at hight teps, you must be thinking of ice which is a totally different effect google can explane this well. Also he's talking about the copper pipe expanding.
@@danielspak8475 Pretty much every thing expands at higher temperature. Water is the only substance that expands at lower temperatures. Thats why ice is less dense than water in liquid state
0:35 Not if you have a modulating boiler.
No need to replace that corroded 90 while you're at it. I'm sure it'll be fine.
I think that they corrode themselves shut
I remember when oil was $4 a gallon. This is the sound of music.
Nicholas I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. Link in my about tab.
2:20 missing alot of fins there
That's by design. Each room needs a certain number of BTU's of heat; the pipes with fins emit a certain number of BTUs per foot, while pipes without fins emit far less. The BTUs needed to heat that particular room determine the feet of fins needed within that room, and the rest is plain pipe.
No reflective material at all!
I hope this old house tells the giy!
I feel these type of baseboard is self-contained and there is no central water reservoir circulating in North America. I’ve only seen heater with central heating system in buildings older than 100 years in Quebec. Although this type of heating system is very common in China.
Here’s my question, how much does something like that cost ? For that guy to do that work
for a pro, prob $200
Face I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. Link in my about tab.
It’d have been easier to knock the wall down 😂
Wow, rest in peace if your subwoofer volume is turned up at 1:30!
I have been watching This Old House for 40 years, and would be the last to question Richard's knowledge, but he is incorrect in his description of how this baseboard system works. The circulating pump does not push the hot water but, rather, it pulls it back to the boiler. You can prove this by feeling the pipe close to the pump moments after the thermostat calls for heat. it will be cool because the cool water in the pipe is being pulled b back to the boiler. In a minute or so the pipe will get hot as the hot water has made it back to this point. If the pump was pushing the out into the system, the pipe would turn hot immediately.
They can be plumbed both ways...
That's the SMALLEST BOILER ON EARTH
Thinking I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. Link in my about tab.
Mine sounds like a splash
You can't stop the metal from expanding and making noise
Richard Wolfe... you can't stop the expanding but you can stop the noise.
GEOTHERMAL!
super heated water is over 212 degrees not 185.
In Vancouver, BC, Canada Richard would be #1 public enemy.
No good or even decent plumbing work is allowed in this city and its surroundings...
You should forget about it and tell your the kid it's just the Nightmare Monsters!
Those tinny little clicks would not keep mr up at night. You can barely hear it
You think that but it does trust me that's why I watched this
Mets, Red Sox, Giants, Patriots???? This is a family torn apart
When I saw that,I went straight to to the comments to see if anyone else noticed that.
Typical phony fans from today. Jump on the hot team every year
don't worry I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. Link in my about tab.
He said he’s a pipe whisperer...
Scott I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. Link in my about tab.
Might have worked to chisel out the wall
Wow these guys who installed those copper pipes get paid good money for a crappy job,thats not cool. A simple fix that didnt need to be done if it was installed by professional
when I saw the shark bite that was the first sign it wasn't installed by a professional
@The road to Ireland it's a push in fitting that doesnt require soldering. Basically anyone could do it
@@mattmopar440 there are no shark bites. I remember my first time seeing Wirsbo hepex
A shark bite is shit. I would never use one and I've installed miles of baseboard
big papi ed actually had to do the SAME THING in 2 homes, 35 years ago ,