There's a small group of people in my community that have become fascinated with learning and playing old Tarot games and your videos have been invaluable in clarifying the flow of many games and the some of the stickier rules. Thanks a million.
Also - if you want to join the Trad Card Games Discord and talk Tarock with us, send me an email and I'll forward an invite. LearnTarotCardGames AT gmail.com
Hi therw. I am not very good tarock player and also not very bad. But i come from Slovenia so there is a lot new things you told me. Slovenian tarock is same in principles and total different in details. I will learn this one and you are great helper. THANK YOU!❤
I found out my family plays Tarock very recently. Although there seems to be a couple alterations to the rules. We play with 6 players, the talon is one deck of 6 cards, and there no bidding from what I could see. Those are just a few of the noticeable differences. It’s a strange case of a game of telephone, so who knows where those rules started to change.
That's awesome. Where is your family from? Even in Austria, every group plays slightly differently. Then in Slovenia, Czechia, Hungary etc they have their own variants which can be quite different. These traditional games are largely learnt socially, so a game of telephone is a good description for how the rules evolve :)
@@learntarotcardgames54I’m from the United States. But my family’s origins trace back most likely to Bavaria. So far it’s one of the few German things my family has seemed to hand down to successive generations.
@@jacobschneider1455 ah, that's very interesting. It might be the Bavarian game Tarock then, which is a different part of the family (related to games like Frog)? You should join our Discord, people would be very interested to hear of a Tarock variant still played in the US! There are a few Czech communities in Texas and Nebraska and places that maintain their own versions too. discord.gg/bGQvjWT86C
For me this version of tarock/tarot is much more interesting than the French tarot, because: 1) You can play in pairs what introduces excating facet into the game. 2) I see there is much more contracts possible than in French Tarot. French tarot has one advantage for me: there is more cards in each hand/tricks.
Hi there. If everyone else passes, Vorhand (the first player after the dealer) is forced to call a game. Often this will be a Trischaken (everyone plays to get the lowest possible points).
Thanks! Which mechanics in particular? There are a few games in Europe that were developed to use similar mechanics with a regular French deck, but they're not exactly the same.
@@JpSceadugenga Ah ok - yes, I can recommend a couple of games with the hidden partner mechanic. It occurs in a few different European traditional games, especially in Germany, which you can play with a regular non-Tarot deck, either with French or German suits. Try Schafkopf (also the American derivative Sheepshead) and also Doppelkopf. In Schafkopf, you call the holder of a particular Ace to be your secret partner. Doppelkopf (which uses a double deck) the people who hold the two Queens of Clubs are a secret partnership. Both are really fun games, there are good apps made by Isar Interactive where you can learn and practice against AI.
Here's another method of counting that may be more straightforward to understand (but perhaps more tedious in practice): Kings, Sküs, XXI (Mond), and I (Pagat); 4 1/3 each, Queens; 3 1/3 each, Knights; 2 1/3 each, Jacks; 1 1/3 each, All others; 1/3 each. So a King + 2 low cards = 5 points, three low cards = 1 point etc.
That works too. A third way is that Kings and Trull are 4, Queens 3, Knights 2 and Jacks 1. All other cards are zero BUT you get 1 point per trick won. That way is actually the original... and is the whole reason Tarot point-counting got so weird later on.
@@learntarotcardgames54 That's true, and in this context; Do they normally keep the fractions in Königrufen competitions and such nowadays? The Pagat page talks about rounding up and down but other places (and your videos) have fractions of a point.
@@trondsi They do round up and down - but mostly it only matters for calculating a win or loss (or maybe calculating Sack). So 35 1/3 is a loss because it rounds down to 35, but 35 2/3 is a win because it rounds up to 36 which is a majority. A friend of mine worked out situations where the different methods can yield different results, but I'd have to ask him for the details.
@@trondsi Oh actually - have you been playing on the Tarock App? On that, when you see the table at the end of a hand, you'll see "35-1" or "35-2" etc for your points. That's the shorthand for "35 and 1/3" or "35 and 2/3" etc.
Waiting for my pack of cards to arrive by mail :) Question: the Pagat page lists this 2 p bonus : "Sküsfang; capture opponent's Sküs" How do you capture the Skus?
Ah - I didn't mention this in the video, as it's a really rare occurrence. Depending on rule-set, some people allow the "Kaiserstich", which means "Emperor's trick". Under this rule, if the Sküs, the 21 and the Pagat are all played to the same trick, the Pagat wins. Sometimes it's specifically only if they're played in the exact order 21, then Sküs, then Pagat. I've seen it happen exactly once in an actual game. Unfortunately it was in a Trischaken, when you're trying to get as few points as possible, and it happened to me... so that's 15 points in one hit!!! (note: I accidentally replied with my personal account instead of my channel one, then fixed it, if you're wondering about a "deleted reply" notification).
@@learntarotcardgames54 Ok thanks! Sounds like an exceptional instance, but I sort of like that rule. I could definitely imagine all those three being played in the last trick for instance.
@@sniper7004 that's true - you can do a Kaiserstich in order to capture the Trull even when the opponents hold the Sküs, and save your Pagat at risk at the same time.
Not exactly the same, but it's related. This is the Austrian version, then Taroky is usually the name for the Czech version. Same deck and same basic gameplay, but usually in Czech Taroky you call trump XIX to be your partner instead of a king. Bidding is a bit different too. I'll make a video on Czech taroky one day.
There's a small group of people in my community that have become fascinated with learning and playing old Tarot games and your videos have been invaluable in clarifying the flow of many games and the some of the stickier rules. Thanks a million.
That's great to hear! Where are you located in the world?
Also - if you want to join the Trad Card Games Discord and talk Tarock with us, send me an email and I'll forward an invite. LearnTarotCardGames AT gmail.com
@@learntarotcardgames54 We are in eastern Nebraska and Western Iowa. I will check out the discord.
In Slovenia we deal the cards clockwise and always deal talon at the beginning, not at the end.
Yes... different game to Austrian Tarock. I will do a video on Slovenian Tarok one day also, I play on valat.si sometimes. Good game.
Sometimes people will deal talon un the midle. And btw solorufer (brez z partnerjem) doesent exsist
@@learntarotcardgames54 are you still planning on doing the slovenian tarok video? it would come very handy hehe
Hi therw.
I am not very good tarock player and also not very bad. But i come from Slovenia so there is a lot new things you told me. Slovenian tarock is same in principles and total different in details. I will learn this one and you are great helper. THANK YOU!❤
Now I play Königrufen on fhe app every single day!! YEAH!
I found out my family plays Tarock very recently. Although there seems to be a couple alterations to the rules. We play with 6 players, the talon is one deck of 6 cards, and there no bidding from what I could see. Those are just a few of the noticeable differences. It’s a strange case of a game of telephone, so who knows where those rules started to change.
That's awesome. Where is your family from? Even in Austria, every group plays slightly differently. Then in Slovenia, Czechia, Hungary etc they have their own variants which can be quite different. These traditional games are largely learnt socially, so a game of telephone is a good description for how the rules evolve :)
@@learntarotcardgames54I’m from the United States. But my family’s origins trace back most likely to Bavaria. So far it’s one of the few German things my family has seemed to hand down to successive generations.
@@jacobschneider1455 ah, that's very interesting. It might be the Bavarian game Tarock then, which is a different part of the family (related to games like Frog)? You should join our Discord, people would be very interested to hear of a Tarock variant still played in the US! There are a few Czech communities in Texas and Nebraska and places that maintain their own versions too. discord.gg/bGQvjWT86C
Awesome. You're depth of knowledge is impressive.
Thanks mate! To be honest though, I'm no expert... Half my reason for making these videos is to deepen my knowledge :)
You are wonderful
Another great video!
For me this version of tarock/tarot is much more interesting than the French tarot, because:
1) You can play in pairs what introduces excating facet into the game.
2) I see there is much more contracts possible than in French Tarot.
French tarot has one advantage for me: there is more cards in each hand/tricks.
Very nice video! What happens when everyone passes? Are the cards re-dealt?
Hi there. If everyone else passes, Vorhand (the first player after the dealer) is forced to call a game. Often this will be a Trischaken (everyone plays to get the lowest possible points).
I knew how to play tarick before watching the video. Yet i still rewatc it severak tines to learn the german terms so i can play online
Very interesting game! What games with a regular french deck has similar mechanics?
Thanks! Which mechanics in particular? There are a few games in Europe that were developed to use similar mechanics with a regular French deck, but they're not exactly the same.
@@learntarotcardgames54 mainly the hidden partnership!
@@JpSceadugenga Ah ok - yes, I can recommend a couple of games with the hidden partner mechanic. It occurs in a few different European traditional games, especially in Germany, which you can play with a regular non-Tarot deck, either with French or German suits. Try Schafkopf (also the American derivative Sheepshead) and also Doppelkopf. In Schafkopf, you call the holder of a particular Ace to be your secret partner. Doppelkopf (which uses a double deck) the people who hold the two Queens of Clubs are a secret partnership. Both are really fun games, there are good apps made by Isar Interactive where you can learn and practice against AI.
Here's another method of counting that may be more straightforward to understand (but perhaps more tedious in practice):
Kings, Sküs, XXI (Mond), and I (Pagat); 4 1/3 each,
Queens; 3 1/3 each,
Knights; 2 1/3 each,
Jacks; 1 1/3 each,
All others; 1/3 each.
So a King + 2 low cards = 5 points, three low cards = 1 point etc.
That works too. A third way is that Kings and Trull are 4, Queens 3, Knights 2 and Jacks 1. All other cards are zero BUT you get 1 point per trick won. That way is actually the original... and is the whole reason Tarot point-counting got so weird later on.
@@learntarotcardgames54 That's true, and in this context; Do they normally keep the fractions in Königrufen competitions and such nowadays? The Pagat page talks about rounding up and down but other places (and your videos) have fractions of a point.
@@trondsi They do round up and down - but mostly it only matters for calculating a win or loss (or maybe calculating Sack). So 35 1/3 is a loss because it rounds down to 35, but 35 2/3 is a win because it rounds up to 36 which is a majority. A friend of mine worked out situations where the different methods can yield different results, but I'd have to ask him for the details.
@@trondsi Oh actually - have you been playing on the Tarock App? On that, when you see the table at the end of a hand, you'll see "35-1" or "35-2" etc for your points. That's the shorthand for "35 and 1/3" or "35 and 2/3" etc.
@@learntarotcardgames54 Oh yes, I scratched my head about that at first, but then I realized what was going on :)
Waiting for my pack of cards to arrive by mail :) Question: the Pagat page lists this 2 p bonus : "Sküsfang; capture opponent's Sküs" How do you capture the Skus?
Ah - I didn't mention this in the video, as it's a really rare occurrence. Depending on rule-set, some people allow the "Kaiserstich", which means "Emperor's trick". Under this rule, if the Sküs, the 21 and the Pagat are all played to the same trick, the Pagat wins. Sometimes it's specifically only if they're played in the exact order 21, then Sküs, then Pagat.
I've seen it happen exactly once in an actual game. Unfortunately it was in a Trischaken, when you're trying to get as few points as possible, and it happened to me... so that's 15 points in one hit!!!
(note: I accidentally replied with my personal account instead of my channel one, then fixed it, if you're wondering about a "deleted reply" notification).
@@learntarotcardgames54 Ok thanks! Sounds like an exceptional instance, but I sort of like that rule. I could definitely imagine all those three being played in the last trick for instance.
@@trondsi yeah, it's a fun rule :)
@@learntarotcardgames54 it is acctually more common than you would think. I even perpesfully lost 21, so my teammate could get skus with pagat
@@sniper7004 that's true - you can do a Kaiserstich in order to capture the Trull even when the opponents hold the Sküs, and save your Pagat at risk at the same time.
Is this the same as taroky?
Not exactly the same, but it's related. This is the Austrian version, then Taroky is usually the name for the Czech version. Same deck and same basic gameplay, but usually in Czech Taroky you call trump XIX to be your partner instead of a king. Bidding is a bit different too. I'll make a video on Czech taroky one day.
Hello. What is the tarot meaning of the se cards? I need to know.