Egyptian Ratscrew - Card Games That Don't Suck
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All snap variants can be made better (worse?) by requiring every slapper to first hit their own forehead
Amazing
We played a game called forehead where to 'snap' you had to touch the table with your forehead. Every onr starts out slow and careful but it escalates very quickly
@@darthfishis real talk this sounds like the best and worst idea. I can't decide, I might have a concussion.
Burning the cards at midnight makes this the first Legacy game.
when I first learned this game, it was with an "exploding" payment system. If someone plays a face card, you have to pay them the normal amount, but if you reveal one of your own face cards while paying, then you're "safe," and the next player in turn order has to start paying *you* for the face card that you just flipped. (Naturally this can continue on across several people). You get some of the best moments when everyone is eagerly watching to see if someone is going to receive their payout from a long chain of face cards, and then someone across the table just slaps the pile and claims the whole thing on a pair that nobody was even looking for.
Yup - that was the main variant we played as well. Great memories of fateful "payments" leading to a reversal of fortune!
same, I am surprised he didn't talk about this rule
I was surprised not to see this element
They technically did talk about this, only they maybe didn't make it as clear as they should. 3:35 Ben mentions you have to keep track of the rules of Beggar My Neighbor, which he explained at the start of the video.
I can totally imagine someone hovering their hand right above the pile, and as soon as someone tries to force-slap it down, they move it out of the way xD
Can confirm, valid strategy. :-)
The Meta is evolving
Just watched the video for the first time and as a veteran ERS player, I can tell you that that's an invalid strategy that will get you ejected from the game. Slapping hand must be resting on the edge of the table! :)
@@aliceconnor7150 that's what you want us to believe!
I absolutely love this game, but I have found that when introducing people to it, I have to make it so we start by only slapping on doubles and sandwiches, otherwise they get overwhelmed and don't want to play. Also, instead of automatically slapping on a Joker, we pick a "magic number" before the game starts and that is what we automatically slap, that way people who have been playing the game for years don't have as much of an advantage (and it's really funny to see them automatically slap the joker out of habit and then have to do the penalty). I also never thought about slapping players hands if they are hovering, that is hilarious and would definitely solve that problem I often have with certain players!
This was THE game of my High School. We usually kept it simple with slaps only on doubles, and sometimes sandwiches. That way it's less about who can remember all the rules and more about who has the best reflexes or card order memory.
I like this version it keeps the focus on the skill rather than rule management!
Absolutely, everyone at my high school played this. I think the ability to slap back in even after you 'lose' was what kept it popular.
Teacup-to-elbow proximity alarm is on full alert here
"the only card game where not knowing the rules is part of knowing the rules"
Last time on Card Games That Don't Suck: a game about guessing a rule someone invented.
Eleswhere: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_(card_game) "The game forbids its players from explaining the rules, and new players are often informed that 'the only rule you may be told is this one'."
Well, I never expected the day that the rules of a card game would make me feel old. But when I played this in high school, we only had the pairs rule for slaps, and a big part of the strategy was intentionally misplaying in order to “slough” cards and cycle through your deck to the cards you wanted.
The Minor Thirds same except I also play with the sandwich rule lol
When we played this as a kid, we had to tape a circle on the floor to keep our hands at a fair distance.
AND one day we played so agressively that we slapped the light off that was on the ceiling below us.
This game was THE game of my middle school to high school years. Things got really intense with all sorts of slaps and what have you. One friend even had the reputation of using his nails a bit too much with his slaps.
Played a lot of ERS at summer camp, in particular I remember one game that lasted for 3 days because we kept having different people slap in. Eventually this game taught me to count cards, just so that I could maybe remember when a pair or sandwich was coming from an Ace.
We played this game EVERY DAY in high school for 4 year. A favorite game of everyone. Never played top 'n bottom rules or 10s. Honestly, SUCH a good card game, and I love the extra rules
We didn't force slap, we did fake slaps right next to the pile, which would make the people who were ready usually slap, and they'd lose cards. So same mechanic essentially :)
My partner has a scar on their hand from this game when their friend's ring sliced into her hand.
The pronouns in this sentence get really confusing
People can get very intense with this game. Was this a childhood injury of your partner or more recent? 😆
@@teehlfx5238 a few years back
@@GadBoDag that's a fair criticism
Ouch!
ERS! We had so much fun playing this back in High School.
Same here. So much better than Mao, the other one we often played, which was just card-based bullying.
Same, in high school, long ago. Didn't matter if you were a nerd, jock, goth kid, whatever. Everyone was always up for a game.
I love this game, but these are a bunch of rules I didn't know existed. I gotta play with these rules now
Quinns has reassigned the shirt gifted him by Matt to an intern. A fine move...
A fine move!
I loved playing this game in high school! It's great to know that there are other rules I've never played with too. I will definitely have to introduce some of them the next time I play this! Keep up the great work folks!!
I taught this game to a bunch of friends at camp when I was a kid. The game was so popular we had to start playing with 2-3 decks, people jumped on top of each other to slap, it was kinda nuts.
Depending on who you played it with we had varying combinations of these rules, but I've played with all of them at some point. They really glossed over the face card payout rule, so I'm not certain what they do, but for us the player won the pile if the next player did not reveal a different face card after paying out:
1 card on a jack;
2 cards on a queen;
3 cards on a king; &
4 cards on an ace.
If a new face card was revealed, the next player had to start paying out, and whoever laid the last face card when a full payout was reached won the pile. Of course, anyone could slap & steal the pile if any of the other rules occurred during this.
Jokers were one of two things, like they said:
1. Payout of 5 cards needed to win the pile; or
2. Anyone can slap & win the pile.
0:27 Guess they haven’t played Mao, it’s literally the gimmick of that game
You can lose friends faster than Monopoly playing mao.
Mao is an incredible game. It allows a lot of player-driven creativity and is basically a puzzle game. I really hope they cover it. All my friends hated it in high school. :(
Mao is one of my favorite card games but I can never find people to play it with...
bw13187 it’s not one that you can really cover, unless you’re cool taking a penalty at the start of every game going forward
sebastian Westerlund mao is terrible. Punishes new people, bc you cant explain any of the rules, and is basically exclusionary. It focuses on the aspect of “haha I know how to play and you don’t” so basically new players are fumbling around trying to figure out the game, while the people knowing how to play is having fun. In addition the game sort of requires new players to play.
I love ERS. A standard of our summer church camp afternoons. This game and spoons.
Some fun house-rules you can play with (you can’t play with them all, then it’s too complex):
1. 69:
Same as a marriage, but then with the 6 and the 9.
2. The ‘it’s gonna be much more insane’ rule:
A marriage, 69, and two cards that count up to ten can also be slapped as a sandwich or top ‘n bottom.
3. Palindrome:
4 or more cards in a palindrome count. (Like: 4 5 J J 5 4)
The intern fills the shirt of card-game-awesomeness very well. I think he's a natural! Maybe a little grumpy, but in a good way. Well done!
I was once bored on a lengthy trip with some friends, and we had a game that lasted for 6 hours. People would float in and out of the game because they'd lose cards, go away for an hour, see we were still playing and be able to slap back in. I haven't played since haha
I don't think I'd ever thought about it before, but isn't it hard to play games of hidden information with your back to a floor-length mirror?
They've finally done it! Literally the most addicting card game I've ever played
This seems a lot like Irish snap. The adding on of additional rules as you play was so fun. When you got to ;ghost Marriage; (king and queen with something in between) is usually where I would lose it.
I played this for ages as a kid. I forgot the name and rules. Now I want to play another endless round! We used to not explain the rules to onlookers and when someone figured out the rules through watching us play, they would slap in opening the table to more contenders.
This was our go to game in High School! It was a ton of fun and we would always make the friend with the class ring take it off before we played.
I've only heard of a few of the slap rules for this game. Adding more than I'm used to does sound like a fun addition
Played this a lot in Orchestra growing up. We only ever played with slapping on doubles with variations on paying penalties to the trick. Strangely we also made an addendum to the person's last card they played in their deck, which was always considered to be a jack in name and face, with the addenum you had to say it was a "Jack". This always led to some entertaining moments of a person's last play playing on an actual jack, and slapping it because their last card was a jack as well, if only in name. Kept the game going longer, and more people in it for longer as well.
Made long bus rides on field trips much more entertaining.
In high school (2002/2003), my friends and I absolutely loved this game. We took a ski trip on a bus, and played the entire 12 hour drive. The game didn't end there, though. In fact, the game didn't end for the entire five day trip. When we had to stop for any reason, everyone kept their cards in their pocket until we had time to pull them out again. Good memories.
A few more slapping rules we had were playing a 2 on face cards, reverse runs, and four-suits (if all four suits were played in four subsequent cards).
This was a favorite of mine back in school. I've never played this specific variant with all these rules, but the best part of this game is it can be easily modified to accommodate what the playgroup finds to be the most fun. For example, we played with only doubles being slappable. The reason being is we quite enjoyed the higher stakes of the pile getting bigger and bigger and the huge game changer of the stack finally being won (or stolen with a slap). As mentioned at 6:58, sandwiches are so incredibly common that the pile never gets bigger than a few cards, the game lasts much longer, and worst of all people sometimes forget the neighbor mechanic altogether just hoping for that sandwich slap.
And as for revealing the cards, I've found its not which way the cards are flipped, but rather, how quickly. The hand is faster than the eye so if you flip forward quickly no real advantage can be gained. In that respect, flipping slowly either way gives SOMEONE an advantage and penalties can be assessed in kind. In short, you can flip however you choose as long as its fast.
I LOVE the force-slap mechanic. We never thought of it, but it is brilliant and I'll definitely implement that when I play this great game again. Its been nearly 20 years, but those times were FUN.
I think the reveal thing is more etiquette than anything. It forces everyone to do it the same way, so it seems more fair. Plus, for most groups it's easier to establish that than constantly policing people for trying to push how slow they can away with.
So in high school me an my friends loved this game. We were all in band and had decided to set up a big marching bass drum to use as our table. So every time we slapped, there was the added benefit of getting to strike this big drum.
I would love to see you guys play Mao. Even though talking about the rules is forbidden, but it is definitely one of my favorite games.
Wow, I used to play this all the time and I've never heard of most of those rules! Pretty cool that it's so adaptable. I remember playing with doubles, sandwiches, and paying for face cards and aces.
Thursday night Twitch stream - all the card games that don't suck.
Played this game sooooo much on a large family gathering/vacation. I don't recall having quite as many rules (we might have been taught without some of them, cuz we were kids), but there was still much slapping to be had. Also extra slapping cuz we were on a cruise ship and the cards would sometimes try to fly away from movement or wind...
This was The Game for band, choir, and drama bus trips when I was in high school. We also had to occasionally slap the cards to keep them from flying off the textbook we used as a table. If you didn't call out "save the cards!" as you slapped for that reason, you'd get a penalty.
This game is so much fun! it is a staple card game in my scout troop, i don't know how many times I've slapped tables and other hands playing this game. My friends and I play it so much that our hands occasionally bleed when we accidentally jab each other with our nails for a slap.
Absolutely great game, brilliantly taught; I’m really enjoying Ben.
I used to play ERS all the time when I was a kid. The only slap rules I'd ever heard were the pairs, which everyone did, and the sandwich, which was a rare variant.
Allowing people to slap back in often results in very long but hilarious games
My favorite ERS moment was slapping the top of someone's hand and getting around and underneath their hand to grab the pile as they looked down at the stack of hands in disbelief.
some of these variants i've never heard, but I love them lol
also, when we played it in middle school, girls were turning their rings around for maximum damage, guys were slapping with all their might.... good times. It's a pretty sadistic game. Love it lol
My ERS group in high school made a Red Ten rule where you slap red tens, but get an additional one-card penalty for slapping black tens. It was a controversial rule. Some players said it was too hard to keep track of, and this was with a ruleset with about half of the rules covered in this video. But then we also had to retire quite a few decks through the years because cards would get bent and creased from rowdy slapping, and it wasn't fair to new players to have a card that the veterans can identify face down.
Half of the fun of this game was the arguments it created!
My friends found it fun just to play like regular snap with the extra slap rules, but if you slap at the wrong time everyone takes it in turns to slap your hand. Added a lot more tension to slapping at the wrong time once your hands are red with pain.
Thanks for showing this. It is one of my favorites. The 10's rule is new to me I will add that in. The slap on three of a kind is also new to me. The flaw with the game is the ending because it drags a bit, we shorten it by saying that once there are only two players left with cards, any captured cards just go on the table in front of the winner rather than back in their hand, whoever ends up with the most cards is the winner.
I am so happy you guys featured this game! A favorite in my high school
ERS is really good as an open game - letting people "slap in" to play. It's so volatile you can win a game you wandered up to halfway through. We used to play this all the time at my school, thanks for reminding me of it!
same when my friends and i played back in high school just because you ran out of cards didn't mean you were out you could still slap to get new cards to get back into the rounds.
Tag team ERS. Kinda. :D
Love this game and played it a lot in high school and college. Had no idea about the sandwich rule....we only slapped when a pair was played. I don't remember it being mentioned, but Jacks gave you only one chance to beat, Queens give you up to two cards, Kings give you three chances, and Aces give you four chances. I do love that someone can get back into the game by slapping. So, it isn't total elimination if they go out. (Or at least that's how we played it.) This is one of the games (called Egyptian War in the book) that I originally learned in the old Klutz brand Card Games Book. Which I believe also only had slaps for the double/pair rule, but I'll have to check. Great video...now that I know the burning at midnight rule, I have to be more careful with the deck we play with...
In Irish Snap you deal out all the cards and take turns putting your top card face up in the middle with the aim of getting rid of your cards. The first person to place a card will say Ace when they put it down, the next person will say 2 and so on (after King it goes back to Ace).
If two cards with the same value are played consequtively everyone snaps and the last person to snap picks up the card. Also if someone happens to say the same value as the card they put down everyone snaps.
Once someone has gotten rid of all their cards (and the faceup middle cards have gone to someone else) they get to add a rule eg: Snap on every Queen played, say potato instead of 10 when counting. Any player who gets rid of their cards is still in the game though and has to count and snap like everyone else, and if the top faceup card is the value the player with no cards says you snap like normal.
I played a lot of card games back in high school and there is one that I haven't seen anywhere else before. We called it Napoleon, but the guides I see for that game are very different. Basically it was multiplayer, full contact solitaire. Each person sets up a standard (Klondike - by 3s) solitaire with their own deck of cards. Once everyone is ready you begin play as normal, except any Aces are played to the center of the table and are treated as communal. First card that lands there is the one that counts, so if you place Ace of Spades, I can play 2 of Spades as long as I get there before you. It's OK with 2 people but best with 3 or 4. Decks with separate backs make clean up much easier.
I love that some of my homemade house rules for this game are also rules in your version!
Holy cow, I forgot all about this game. We used to play it all the time in band. If you play on the floor you don't have to worry about table strength lol
We played this in high-school and Boy Scouts with only doubles and sandwiches. That's one fun thing about it, you can add or subtract layers of difficulty because absolutely no one can play "real" Egyptian Ratscrew well. Fun note: at church youth functions the name changed to Egyptian Rummy, so there's that option if you can't get past the name.
We call this ERS at my school! It is the GO-TO-CARD GAME after tests or exams
(4:20) "Those are all the ways you can slap... butt."
No one tell me that wasn't planned.
Could we get a video of Quinns just reviewing his entire collection of card decks?
Played so much of this game in high school and college. Great fun.
Remember playing this in high school... we got in trouble for loudly slamming hands on tables many times.
This sent me straight back to middle school lunch or the free period's we'd get with particular subs.
This is hectic and amazing - and I can’t wait to play it!
I just played with my friends last night and we voided all of the rules where if you slap the discard pile incorrectly a certain number of times, you lose. Instead, everyone in the game gets to slap that person’s hand.
Not sure if this was an alternative rule, but the paying part of the game, would be cancelled by another paying card being played as part of the pay. e.x. play an ace, pay a 2, 5 and Jack, now it moves to the next player who has to flip one card or give everything to the player who played the Jack.
afaik, that's a standard rule they just skipped over here.
I literally discovered this series TONIGHT & I love it! I hope you keep it up.
If you want to teach card games that require more than 4 suits, or a game that requires more than 2 decks, I have some suggestions (since you are obviously a playing card collector; so's my mother):
The Octo Deck - an 8 suited deck of cards. Ranks are A-K, plus 8 zeroes (aka "Excuses") & 8 wildcards.
The Badger Deck - a potentially 10 suited deck of cards (5 in the base deck, plus 5 expansion suits), plus an "Extension Ranks" deck. Cute artwork, though.
The Singularity Deck - a potentially 12 suited deck, separated into two 6 suited decks (which can be bought separately), one called Earth, the other Cosmos. Be warned, however, for these two decks by themselves cost $30 US! Plus, there's "Extension Ranks" decks for each suit! It's the only playing card based "rabbit hole" I've ever encountered. However, the artwork is the business, as they say "across the pond".
Happy card playing & keep up the good work!
This game tore through my school during middle and highscool and we loved it. We didn't have tops and bottoms or marriages. But we had big macs, sandwiches with 2 cards between the pair.
In my area (southeastern U.S.) we did
Pair
Sandwich
Top-bottom
Marriage (king-queen)
Then there is Face cards inducing various numbers drawn. So Jack 1, queen 2, king 3, ace 4. The player after the one who got the face card is the one that places that many cards. So then jacks are the best to get because it just takes one number card to get the whole stack.
We don't do pretty much any of the rest of those rules mentioned. We don't have:
2 cards that add up to 10
4 card straight
Affair (jack-queen)
That 666 thing
Etiquette:
-Hands on table while cards are being played. Thus, no hovering allowed.
-If it was an illegitimate slap, you "burned" a card by putting it face down at the bottom of the center stack.
- if it's been a long game, we reduce slap-ins to only 2 times
- if you do it bad 3 times we've got no ban rule. That just means you've burned 3 times.
I don't know how standard the 666 rule is, but this was the favorite card game of my social set as a kid. The first card game we graduated to after "playing" war.
In france we call that "batailles corses" meaning corsican battle. Most of the rules explained in this video are there as well with the exception of "three in a row".
I used to play this game a ton as a teenager, but I only ever knew about the doubles and sandwiches rules. This game is way more chaotic with all the other slap triggers...
This game... is crazy... and it's always a WIN when I teach it... though I didn´t know about the marriage and 3 of a kind... specially didn't know the forbidden number XD... the only forbidden thing in my games... are rings... OUCH!
You can also cover a potential slap before is slapped by throwing down a card, making the amount of cards someone gets off they lose way way higher
Don’t forget that if you are playing this game and are in high school, you’re allowed to slap 6-9. Tee hee hee...
Literally hours and hours of painful fun! We loved that more people could show up and just slap into the game without having to deal them in. It's strangely addictive. Had to stop when my kids were born due to the noise!
Oh, wow, I thought I knew this game from playing it in school, but it goes way deeper than I knew! I'm pretty sure we only played doubles and sandwiches. Which, at age 10 was about right. :D
This is glorious. I can't wait to play it.
I used to play this on camp every year in my teens, so much fun. Totally forgot about the face card rule, so much tension in there as you’re waiting for snaps to come up whilst it’s being dealt. The Jack is the best card as it’s an instant capture. Think we used to play match on runs of 3 not 4 too, and didn’t use the the tops and bottoms rule, but that is fantastic. We did allow sandwich 10s as an optional rule though...
We played this game SIGNIFICANTLY more brutal though. When you false snap, as well as paying a penalty, you lay your hand flat on the table and any players can slam it with their fist... so you can stay in the game indefinitely if you don’t mind bruises.
I just had the awful thought of playing beggar my neighbor but when you pick up a pile you're allowed to order it any way you like before putting it on the bottom. It pretty much turns it into card-counting, second-guessing hell where you have just enough control to be pissed off when things don't work out, but not quite enough to make them actually do so.
We called it Egyptian War and it was amazing.
king of hearts - suicide king - you can slap
3 of a kind - "steps" - thats a slap
rings are only allowed if everyone has them
if you have no cards and the game is still going you can "slap in"
played this game during high school lunch - it was great
Man, I remember playing this back in Home Ec in high school while waiting for the ovens. We didn't use some stuff like the 10s or top and bottom rules, but there was one rule we used and you didn't: divorce. A divorce is when you have a king or queen, then another card, then a queen or king. Basically a sandwich with a king and queen.
I really recommend caravan. Like it's so poorly explained in NV but once explained well Its so fun. Deck building competitive 2 player fun
We played this game in high school so much, but never ever had all the rules beyond the Face card paying, pairs and sandwiches. I can’t imagine the bloodshed we’d have had with all others lol
And the best rule to punish experienced people who aren’t paying attention is that if they clearly won the stack, like they won a Face card payment, anyone else can steal the stack. Because we have class and you’re taking too long.
We used to play a very simple version with just pairs in school in South Wales in the 80s but called it Blam!
Punishments were being hit on the knuckles with the deck of cards.
Oh man, when Ben said you can slap other people's hands onto the table, I audibly said "YES!" and shook my fist in the air.
Wow this version added a lot more rules then I am accustom with.
I now know where the idea of the Karate Fight Card Game possibly originated.
I'd rather play this cause I can just use a normal deck.
One of my favorite games! Good job. You guys should review Mao ;)
I gotta say, I've never played with add-to-ten or supreme/forbidden slaps. But doubles, sandwiches, staircases, marriages, and slap on 10 (not mentioned here, but identical to slap on joker) are all commonplace enough. These burn/wrong slap rules are also pretty harsh compared to the variants where I play (East Coast, United States), though we do have a rule that you can get slugged in the shoulder if you slap wrong while out of cards. There's also edge case rules (like how burned cards can't influence a sandwich, or if someone runs out of cards while paying off a face card that the next player has to finish payment) that vary from place to place. When I suggested ERS during the solicitation phase, I didn't expect you to make it, but I'm overjoyed that you did! SU&SD forever!
the way i play with my friends is that if you incorrectly slap you put your hand on the table and everyone with cards in their hand is allowed one slap as hard or gentle as they like on your hand
You guys forgot the 69 rule. If you play a 6 and a 9 irrespective of order you can slap!
There was a Kickstarter recently that put out a new and improved version of Egyptian Ratscrew called Wizard Theives: www.kickstarter.com/projects/jrozenhart/wizard-thieves
I was a playtester for it, and even though I always lost, I had a lot of fun! I'm not sure if you'll be able to get a copy at retail now that the Kickstarter has ended, but keep an eye out just in case.
Am I the only one bothered that Ben is wearing Quinns’ shirt?
This video is so lit just like the deck on the 666 rule
I feel the same way about this game that I do about Kingdom Death. I'm happy to know it exists. I enjoyed learning about the game. I'm intrigued to learn more. I will never ever play this game in my lifetime.
For those who master the rules or find the game takes to long for someone to win, set it up as a timer so 20 minutes or 15 minutes and when the timer goes off finish the current round and whoever has the most cards at that time wins. That way the game doesn’t go forever
Oh my days, I used to play this basically every day at college. So chaotic and so fun!
We'd always houseruled that if you slap incorrectly, you'd get a "thumping", where you keep your hand on top of the deck, and every other player hammerfist punches the top of your hand. Turned out to help incorrect slaps enormously, especially when playing with a dozen people.
Honestly, even if you just play with the sandwich, pairs, and face card pay rules, it's still loads of fun. I used to play it after school with my friends and we called it Sandwich (also great because if somebody walks up and is like "can I play?" you can be like "sure, just slap in"). NOT a good game to play in a library, though
Man, have you seen the price of those Carte Rouge cards? $30? I mean, I would pay $10 plus shipping for a deck of cards, but I'm afraid as they are, they're too rich for my blood.