For future reference, if anyone has a really long video and then there's a second part and they want me to watch the second part, ending part one with "and it gets weirder" will 100% do the job every time.
Why did they choose to have meeple university do the official how to play video? I am hoping @WatchItPlayed is going to give this game their own how to play none the less. Rodney's teach is unmatched!
If I had a nickel for every 30+ min Leder Games review from Tom where he said their new game is his favourite of all time, I’d have two nickels, etc etc. In all seriousness though, I’m super happy to see this game deliver on its promises!
Sweet. Just my kind of game! Cant wait to buy a copy and look at it on my shelf as I wait 12 years to find someone who will play it with me! Great review. Got me.
A vanishingly small number of American viewers will have the first idea what "a stick of rock" is, let alone what the hell Tom's use of it in a tortured metaphor could possibly mean. As a public service: Rock is a Britishism for a specific kind of hard candy similar to what Americans would call a peppermint stick. Originally called Blackpool Rock (or, for you Graham Greene fans, Brighton Rock) based on whatever resort town sold it. The difference between rock and peppermint sticks is twofold: first, rock is quite a bit thicker, maybe twice the diameter of a peppermint stick. Second, the candy is made so that in cross-section, it has a design - for instance, the letters BLACKPOOL ROCK. The design runs the length of the stick, so that wherever you break it, the design's visible. As with millefiori, which uses a very similar production technique, only for glass. (Millefiori: also a Reiner Knizia board game. Onward.) Hence: "dramatically lopsided games that have an asymmetry running through them like a stick of rock...though it would have to be a really _wide_ stick of rock to fit the word "asymmetry" through it, you know?"
Played through 2 acts of the campaign last weekend. After first game, we all said, "Well that was kind of interesting...but I can't quite see where this is going". After the second game where planets were being obliterated, space mushrooms were being befriended, and one player was desperately trying to hold together the crumbling empire while the rest of us gleefully pushed the metaphorical head of the drowning empire underwater while also somehow paying taxes into it we all realized, "Ah...this is not what I thought it was going to be at all." In the best way. Cole, Kyle, and Leder Games have done it again.
I taught this game to someone who got a bit on edge that the attacker makes all the decisions in combat. At first, I didn't understand why it seemed to sit ill with him, but then he explained that it felt like some of the perceived gaming agency he had been accustomed to, trained to in most other board games had been taken from him. I wonder how particular that is, but if that's something that might bother you or your gamer pal, too, just a thing to put on radars: the attacker makes all combat decisions in base Arcs, including choosing which defending units were hit/destroyed when the dice rolls need to be doled out. In this and many ways (said video above), it turns the formula on its head.
Yeah I can see that, our miniature gaming group really miss rolling to save your models from harm when attacked. Which most games do so when there's no 'save' it feels kinda bad, like your agency to even have a chance (cube) to save your little plastic dudes is taken away :P
Arcs used to have defender agency, but then eventually evolved to just assume the defender “acts reasonably”. All the damage and intercepts on the dice represents the defender’s attempt at defending themselves
In a recent podcast interview with Dan Thurot, Cole touched on this a bit: "I've noticed that some of the people who hate our games the most are the most experienced game players. People who have played hundreds of Euros. And I think what's happening is, just because of the way I design and the way these games have turned out, it doesn't allow players to build on their preexisting ludic knowledge. So if someone's enjoyment of games is mostly, look at how their ludic knowledge is laddering from one euro to another, it can be very frustrating. Whereas people who have no touchstone do fine. I've gotten so many messages from people for whom Pax Pamir was their first modern board game. And they had a great time, they had no problems with the rulebook!"
Eclipse is also "attacker decides which target they are shooting at" and there is no defense roll. Every ship has an initiative which determines who rolls first and that can often decide the battle alone. It sounds like this system is similar?
I’ve had the game out on my kitchen table since it came in the mail. I just enjoy looking at it. I’m nearly to the point I’m going to put a sign in the yard telling strangers to come in and play with me.
"It's like trying to wrestle an eel. An eel that hates you. Probably hates you because you're trying to wrestle it. Why are you trying to wrestle it? What's wrong with you?" ... "They're just questions, Leon... It's a test designed to provoke an emotional response."
IT IS SO GOOD! The designers learned everything they could from making Root and Oath and combined the best parts of both to create a Ti4 sized experience in half the rules and double the convenience. A masterstroke.
@@broganirwin864I think the Ti4 comparison to base Arcs is a bit apple to oranges. I can see the Ti4 comparison to Blighted Reach -- that's a different price range (and different video!), though, than base Arcs. It does matter what a person considers the core experience to a Ti4, though. But when it comes to creating an epic feeling space narrative in a game session, absolutely, Blighted Reach does that. And with fewer rules, ya.
Arcs is brilliant. But it is NOT straightforward. Like many Leder games, it approaches a genre that is well trodden (such as space game) and turns everything on its head (by making action selection into a trick taking game). I think grokking the mechanics of the game takes a game at least for most people. This is mostly because not only is the shared rulespace between space game and trick taking game is basically 0 (knowing how to play the Crew is only half the battle!), but also that Arcs doesn't do almost anything else like other Space games either. Control is based on fully repaired ships, but damaged ships still have guns. Combat is based entirely on the aggressor, but can cause tremendous backlash for those who are not cautious enough. Victory points are based on who controls what resources (in a very limited pool of resources) at any given time. You might even run out of ships or agents if the relevant scoring hasn't happened in a few turns. Everything works together, but how it works together is absolutely unlike any other game you've played.
I don’t disagree it’ll take a play to feel comfortable with the action selection mechanism, but Arcs is definitely much more straightforward than Root or Oath. It was hands down the easiest teach of the three for me.
@@naturesfinest2408 I would say yes since you can on-ramp with just the base game, then add Leaders & Lore if you want some starting asymmetry, and finally go to the campaign if you want full blown Leder/Wehrle weirdness.
This is amazing, Tom! The atmosphere you create, the music, the beautiful shots of the game. I really like the sincere reviewing interspersed with silly bits to keep our attention. More sustainable for you to make but still informative and a joy to watch ❤
It's about time. I've only been able to play three games… 1 2 player, 1 3 player, and 1 4 player, but it is captivating. I always leave the game thinking about each chapter, wondering what I could have done to be more efficient.
I was not sure about buying Arcs once it got to retail...until this review. The thing that gets me most excited about Arcs is all of the absolutely beautiful reviews packed so full of emotion and narrative. And this is the best of those reviews by far. Can not wait for part 2!
Tom your point about games feeling temporary or disposable couldn't be more will timed for me. 3 minute board game reviews recently spoke about this feeling and it struck me, now here you are repeating it. Even though the games we own physically last a lifetime or longer they seem to expire in our awareness. Buy the new thing, maybe play it twice, put it on the shelf for 3 years and then sell or trade. Novelty is more valued than mastery when consumerism runs the hobby. I'm hoping that Arcs can challenge that, at least in my group.
THIS! Thanks for putting into writing what I feel everytime I look at my collection. Next to my own short attention span, I really blame the kickstarter fomo hype for my novelty addiction when it comes to boardgames. There is always the next best game (like arcs) in which "I really want to sink my teeth into" but ending up like exactly like you mentioned - playing it for 1-2 times and ending up on my shelf...
The one thing I hate about kickstarter games, is hearing about them after the campaign has already ended. I look forward to getting this at retail though.
And I hate when it's absolutely silent AFTER a game's kickstarter when the game is done and released. Like there's a bunch of hype videos for the kickstarter and 0 reviews afterwards.
The asymmetry of the Leaders and Lore stuff reminds me a lot of Cosmic Encounter, which is a favourite in my family. Can't wait to get my hands on Arcs
The lack of a solo mode saddens me. Yes, I get that it would be difficult to design one...but they just did one for Oath after saying they couldn't. Hopefully, we'll eventually get a clockwork Arcs.
I get that this game may be genius, but I can't shake the feeling that I, personally, would hate Arcs but adore Oath. Which I still need to get my grubby little hands on to try.
Great review Tom. I feel I could tell from your description that it is not my group's cup of tea, despite having some interesting mechanisms. Which is important to convey, even in a review that's as glowingly positive as this one.
Tom is such a great barometer for games I should not purchase. This review really helped me understand what Arcs is and why I shouldn't get it. I genuinely appreciate that.
Care to elaborate? I pinky-swear I'm not planning to be confrontational regardless of what you end up replying. I'm just so far off on the other side of this take that I can't imagine how it must feel
The game seems like a big box, competitive, tactical, and with lots of parts to track. Tom seems to like that sort of thing. If that's not something your into then this review is a pretty good highlight on why you should on this.
I guess everyone’s game collections are different. I own Arcs - and if we are talking about the base game he is showing it’s not a big box. The box is probably closer to the size of Root. The expansion box on the other hand is enormous. I haven’t even opened it so I can’t speak to it. It setups up and tears down fast. The base game where everyone is symmetrical is easy to teach and play. The added complexity and parts to make the game asymmetrical is just cards given at the beginning to give special powers. My family all loves very different games but this has been good for most of us. It has strategic depth but the rules are simple enough the box did not have to include a “Law of Arcs” book like other Wehrle games do. So as far as big box with lots of parts this is one of the more accessible games I have that I wouldn’t call a family game. I’d probably put it around the complexity level of Dune Imperium, yet I find it a lot more interesting to play.
Yes, this review helped me realise I don’t really want to play this. I can recognise and appreciate the good design of the game, but I don’t find these intensely negotiating, super confrontational game that fun. I like to see game mechanics reflect the theme, and I don’t really get the sense that the theme really shines through in this.
@@ormhaxan Yes, he said its been a few months. But still, some of us who are not boardgame reviewers would be overjoyed to play 40 times (any game!) in a year ...
Finally got to play - thanks for your bravery to take that stance, this game is incredible, whole family was so excited around the table, complexity / innovation / strategy / tension - this is a masterpiece, my top spot of all time
I'm gonna finish the video first but from that intro I'm very sold that I want this game. I haven't bought a board game in about a year because I'm pretty reserved about adding new things to my collection but this seems like the exception and it doesn't play like anything I have. I also really like this art style for a scifiish game. It almost feels like it could fall into any genre and is close to minimalist but still beautiful
And its relatievly inexspensive for what you get. Only 40 dollars u.s. Leder games doesnt dissapoint me, and like you i tend not to add things ti my collection. This will be the one game I will get this year.
Awesome review Tom, can't wait for part 2! On a sidenotey what music did ya'll use in this one? I've definetly identified satisfactory, and maybe citizen sleeper so far....
The intro had me intrigued, and the card play looked very interesting, but the further the video went and added more and more...I think this is too much for my brain to deal with enjoyably.
I must admit I was very close to being put off when you described one of the key ingredients as being "trick taking", but thankfully it seems to only have a small amount of that DNA. I'm very intrigued by this one! I'll probably pick this up over TI as my first proper 'space game'.
Waited to watch until after I had played my copy and I agree with a lot! One thing I know - I am definitely putting the resource stacks in the center of the board going forward - our first game was decided by the hard limit of 5 resources come screaming into relevance in the final round.
How important would you deem the language of the game? Trying to decide if I need this asap and preorder it in english or wait for the inevitable language release quite some time down the line. Me and my playgroup are quite capable in english but playing in your own language always is a bit more chill.
Language is important to read Guild, Lore, Vox, Events, Leader, etc. cards. This is a game where you will sometimes need to reach over to read that's the text of the court cards, etc. (At least until you mesmerize all the powers and such.) And they are nuanced. Most of them are ways to break or bend rules of the game.
For base game, you'll be 100% fine with English cards. There isn't a lot of cards, they don't have a lot of text on them, many of the effects are similar to each other, and, most importantly: there is no hidden information. Every single card will hit the table first, at which point it can be explained to the players. For the campaign, this is still all true… except that there is a lot more cards.
@@ElTomTom87 If you're unsure you'll like the game mechanics, such as the cardplay and all that, it is very much recommended to get only the base game. Especially if you're in a position to just walk into a game store and buy the campaign whenever you decide to.
Excellent B-roll framing and on point editing as always. Definitely a game I need to see if my friends who enjoy this kind of game would be interested in.
Having played a few games now, I agree with Tom's sentiment. I am interested to know what the rest of the SUSD crew thinks about it, given Tom is admittedly quite biased when it comes to Cole Wehrle.
14:42 the weapon resource will make any card into a battle card is this an errata or error? weapon resource allows you to spend actions (pips) as battle actions which makes the moblization 2 very very frightening indeed. move and battle or is the whole card now battle only? thanks
I'm confused by the state of the board at exactly 12:17 (Lead Aggression 5, copied card, Aggression 1, Aggression 6). How could that Aggression 1 have been played if it's not a copy (face up), not a pivot (same suit), and not a surpass (lower value)?
The 2 versions of Vast are still my favorite Leder games. I owned Root and Oath, kept Root for awhile, and Oath for a single game before selling them both. I had backed this but then pulled out as it was very uninspiring in its earlier stages of the campaign. Between your video here, and a local friend likely bringing it to a meetup, I'll have to give a try, and ascertain how well it works for us.
@@Shazirah_Kaur Mysterious Manor is easier to teach, and has been slightly more popular with the game group. I think it's easier to find as well. I do like Crystal Caverns as well, and prefer the cavern role over the manor role, but I do feel manor may be a better starting point.
So, I had completely forgotten that Leder Games was working on this and, after Tom opening saying this was his current favourite new game, I had one of those chills-down-the-back moments when I saw the box art, so distinct from Kyle Ferren and Leder Games. I'm a huge fan of both Root and Oath, and hearing SUSD sing its praises is definitely exciting!
I am (I guess similarly to Tom) Werhle pilled. John Company, Oath and now Arcs are absolutely in my top shelf games in the board gaming space. Just fantastic game design and development all around with a big ol' BUT - they take such a specific mindset to really engage with and appreciate, so it's very easy (and understandable) for folks to bounce off them if it's not the style of game they are looking for. I'm glad that Arcs is the most accessible as it has the core design foundations that interest me (unreliable planning, emergent narrative, some campaign elements that aren't permanently destroying game pieces). Anyway, looking forward to the 2nd part of this vid (I say, while still watching this'n).
The first versions of the map was almost enough to scare me from backing the game. The final map on the other hand is absolutely gorgeous in my opinion and I can't wait for my Kickstarter copy to arrive!
I was one of the people who were put out by the map change. To me the more abstract new map lacked the geography and space to allow a scifi story to happen. I was disappointed but kept my pledge. Then I played some solo games on TTS. The new map is so much better than the old map! Not only did it make play easier and smother, it also still had that feeling of geography and terrain that I wanted, maybe it even had that feeling in greater quantaties as now positions and entanglement where clearer and more readily expressed and interacted with. I can't wait for my pledge to arrive. Sadly I will have to sit on the game for a long time I imagine as I'm about to have my first child and thats not going to leave much time to dig in to Arcs the way it deserves. Talk about bad timing (I can't wait to be a farther though)!
Depends on how much people like to think about their turn. I find that individual turns can go very fast if people are willing to think fast, and that makes a game of base Arcs less than 2 hours. I also feel like this is a game where casual players will play pretty quickly, because an individual turn doesn't have many decisions to make--it's all about how those short turns add up over the course of a round.
I've only played the base game a couple times so far, but I think what it addressed in Cole's designs from Root and Oath (snappier turns, clear journey arcs -haha-) that you point out, particularly applied to grand strategy space games, is what I think I love MOST about this. I'm a play fast kind of board gamer and I think that --finally-- aligns well here
The campaign is a lot for sure, but if you start with only the base game, without any of the add-ons, it's remarkably straightforward. (Much easier to understand than Root for example)
It is actually not! If you're teaching a new player, you won't be playing the campaign and you won't be including Leaders & Lore, so the teach is 90% just describing the 7 or 8 actions on the cards and the flow of the trick-taking card play (the whole Lead, Surpass, Copy, Pivot thing). It's actually their easiest game to teach so far! After people have played one game, introducing Leaders and Lore is literally a 5 minute teach. And after both of these nice onramps, teaching the campaign-specific stuff takes about as long as the base game teach - at most.
Love this review and video. Well done. I haven’t been buying games in a while but this convinced me this game is worth it. Quick question, what sleeves are those that you are using ? Looks like a matte sleeve. Really trying to find a good set of sleeves that aren’t reflective. Thanks !
While I think the video came over well and how the game plays, looks and feels, I still think this might not be for me. This seems more like a tactical, strategic spacegame for people that like a large amount of randomness and the balancing act of spacing out your cards more than the gradual, effciency and planning we get from games like TI4. Now those games usually spiral out of control because they aren't really balanced incredibly well, but this also insures that all the politics can stabilize the situation and the game eventually ends within a reasonable time. This seems more like the YOLO version of a space 4-X, where you take a gamble more often than a carefully planned strategy. That is the exact opposite of what my gaming group prefers. Even in TI4, where there actually is a lot of gradual planning, the most feel bad moments are nearly always a horrible agenda card being revealed and voted through that totally wrecks 1 or 2 players completely, or a completely lobsided series of dicerolls that turns an almost unlosable combat in a disastrous loss. Maybe I shouldn't be comparing Arcs to TI4, which is a far grander, larger and (probably) lengthier game. But as the most prominent game we play that roughly fits in the same theme, it will still be the most logical competitor. The most important marker of a game I am going to like a lot, is that when watching a review, I immediately like it and my mind races as to how to play this game and getting really excited, maybe even getting to check out the rulebook if it is available. This just doesn't does that for me. The art doesn't entice me, the gameplay might be good, but it isn't convincing enough to pull me over. I'm willing to give it a try, but I think if we want a shorter spacegame, we will play Eclipse, or possible even Dune Imperium, as both games are excellent for their length and complexity and we barely have time to get those out enough anyway.
Not a game I was expecting to want to play, but you make it sound intriguing. My best interpretation so far would be "Scythe meets Brian Boru, with dice". My main issue there is the "with dice" part...
Me at the start of the review: Oh, it's a space game - I'm probably going to want it, but it'll have to be something pretty special for me to be able to justify it with Eclipse and TI4 on my shelves. And then the review proceeds to outline how it includes a ton of my favorite mechanics for other games, and now I'm checking how much TI4 sells for because honestly I haven't got that to the table in years and it could probably pay for this....
I have both Eclipse and TI4. TI4 is a "once a year game" it requires a full day commitement from a lot of people with kids in my life. Eclipse is a "few times a year game". It's playable in a single night, but then again said game night cannot start at 9PM, it require less commitment than TI4, but its still a bit complicated to get out. If I have a saturday night game with people that know the game, it can be pulled out as a random pick for the night. Those game don't fill the same niche ;) (ok the campaign game is another thing. I look forward to see if Tom thinks it's a great "3-session game" or more a "book the whole day like TI4 and just burn trough a campaign")
@@pierreolivierlepage664 for me, Eclipse is a "weekend afternoon" game, and if I have a full day for board games then I'm probably either running an RPG or doing a few different ones (especially since my partner really would not enjoy a game the length of TI, but would have a good time with Eclipse plus some lighter things after). TI is great, I definitely enjoy TI when I've played it - it's just that getting enough folks together for a game is an issue (it's always an "organise in advance" thing, where Eclipse can be a "hey we have a free afternoon" thing), and I'd rather have Eclipse which I can play often enough to feel like I'm gaining mastery rather than having to learn everything. Probably I'll be trying to sell it to a friend so I get invited if they run a game. Arc seems like it might fit in that "weekday evening" niche a bit more neatly than Eclipse (which has tended to run a bit long so far, mostly due to being a chunky teach and having new players each time).
"...that combines trick-taking with space games. You know what I mean by the latter, right?" Yes, the latter I know, but never in my several decades of board-gaming have I heard the term trick-taking. I guess that's because English is my second language and because I'm not into old-school card games. But now I know.
Just played the base game the other night at a friends and have immediately ordered it the next day. A few notes: - rounds can be VERY slow if you have a player who wants to math everything out; you should set an early expectation that tactics are likely to be more relevant than strategy - the way that the card values combine with enabling win conditions is frikkin awesome As for the campaign... I'm not so sure. Realistically, i dont think i can get the regular group together. Maybe one day...
Victory points don’t feel as arbitrary here. They’re earned in chunks as objectives are scored at the end of each chapter, so it’s more like objectives with varied weighting. There’s no pinging an undefended building with an archer for the win in Arcs like there is in Root.
The victory points aren't given in heaps, but guide the story that the game creates. In my last play, someone killed a lot of pieces, so the warlord ambition was what they picked. On the next chapter, after they cashed out all their trophies, I declared warlord and started blasting away. And because scoring items are cashed out or can easily be stolen, it doesn't make it seem like achieving points is out of your grasp when someone takes the lead in an ambition.
The way ambitions work makes VP feel very different here, like the other commenters note. They're more like measuring the massive blows that you struck over the course of the game, and because they increase in value over time, you can absolutely clutch a win from low point values near the end of the game.
Part 2, The Campaign: ruclips.net/video/_GUatRy1LRk/видео.html
The review kinda left it ambiguous if Tom liked the game or not
Agreed, still have no idea what this game is about, lol
A classic shut up and sit down review
Weirder!
Yeah Tom, tell us how you really feel about the game!
The section on the the numerous Cons was so much longer than the Pros 😂
Oh god, Tom, your superpower is making me buy four-letter board games.
Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's "Very specific capitalist influencer man!"
Oath? :D
Ahoy
Oh my gosh, how have I never noticed this. Root, Fort, Ahoy, Oath, Arcs...
@@davidlarsen3698 and VAST
For future reference, if anyone has a really long video and then there's a second part and they want me to watch the second part, ending part one with "and it gets weirder" will 100% do the job every time.
BUT DO YOU LIKE IT?
I think it's open to interpretation.
@@MrTomlette I’ll have to watch part 2 and see.
If Rodney comments, I'm here for it
Just started the video and he said "Arcs is the best boardgame I have ever played"
Why did they choose to have meeple university do the official how to play video?
I am hoping @WatchItPlayed is going to give this game their own how to play none the less.
Rodney's teach is unmatched!
If I had a nickel for every 30+ min Leder Games review from Tom where he said their new game is his favourite of all time, I’d have two nickels, etc etc. In all seriousness though, I’m super happy to see this game deliver on its promises!
That video makes me doubt his opinion on this one ...Oath is fun but definitely not *the greatest game ever*
@@ekulio it's like third best imo
@@ekuliowell duh its not the greatest ever, arcs has been released since then! -tom probably
Sweet. Just my kind of game! Cant wait to buy a copy and look at it on my shelf as I wait 12 years to find someone who will play it with me! Great review. Got me.
I’ll have to clean off the dust on top of Oath so that it doesn’t get on the bottom of this box. 🥲
Bro....I felt that in my soul
I love my friends, but man do they have bad taste in games. Hopefully Arcs will be easier to get to the table than Pax Pamir.
A vanishingly small number of American viewers will have the first idea what "a stick of rock" is, let alone what the hell Tom's use of it in a tortured metaphor could possibly mean.
As a public service: Rock is a Britishism for a specific kind of hard candy similar to what Americans would call a peppermint stick. Originally called Blackpool Rock (or, for you Graham Greene fans, Brighton Rock) based on whatever resort town sold it. The difference between rock and peppermint sticks is twofold: first, rock is quite a bit thicker, maybe twice the diameter of a peppermint stick. Second, the candy is made so that in cross-section, it has a design - for instance, the letters BLACKPOOL ROCK. The design runs the length of the stick, so that wherever you break it, the design's visible. As with millefiori, which uses a very similar production technique, only for glass. (Millefiori: also a Reiner Knizia board game. Onward.)
Hence: "dramatically lopsided games that have an asymmetry running through them like a stick of rock...though it would have to be a really _wide_ stick of rock to fit the word "asymmetry" through it, you know?"
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Thank you for drawing attention to the Kyle Ferrin Artwork Klaxon. It's always going off at my house and my children are so tired.
My house, too, Kyle. But here we just let it blare on.
I was wondering what that noise was when we were playing FORT the other day…
ps: Iove your work!
Played through 2 acts of the campaign last weekend. After first game, we all said, "Well that was kind of interesting...but I can't quite see where this is going". After the second game where planets were being obliterated, space mushrooms were being befriended, and one player was desperately trying to hold together the crumbling empire while the rest of us gleefully pushed the metaphorical head of the drowning empire underwater while also somehow paying taxes into it we all realized, "Ah...this is not what I thought it was going to be at all." In the best way.
Cole, Kyle, and Leder Games have done it again.
This possibly even moreso than the video, convinced me that this game is probably not for me.
Yeah same; not the biggest fan of this designer
I taught this game to someone who got a bit on edge that the attacker makes all the decisions in combat. At first, I didn't understand why it seemed to sit ill with him, but then he explained that it felt like some of the perceived gaming agency he had been accustomed to, trained to in most other board games had been taken from him. I wonder how particular that is, but if that's something that might bother you or your gamer pal, too, just a thing to put on radars: the attacker makes all combat decisions in base Arcs, including choosing which defending units were hit/destroyed when the dice rolls need to be doled out. In this and many ways (said video above), it turns the formula on its head.
Well…. initiative is key in this game…. Get it and use it!
Yeah I can see that, our miniature gaming group really miss rolling to save your models from harm when attacked. Which most games do so when there's no 'save' it feels kinda bad, like your agency to even have a chance (cube) to save your little plastic dudes is taken away :P
Arcs used to have defender agency, but then eventually evolved to just assume the defender “acts reasonably”. All the damage and intercepts on the dice represents the defender’s attempt at defending themselves
In a recent podcast interview with Dan Thurot, Cole touched on this a bit:
"I've noticed that some of the people who hate our games the most are the most experienced game players. People who have played hundreds of Euros. And I think what's happening is, just because of the way I design and the way these games have turned out, it doesn't allow players to build on their preexisting ludic knowledge. So if someone's enjoyment of games is mostly, look at how their ludic knowledge is laddering from one euro to another, it can be very frustrating.
Whereas people who have no touchstone do fine. I've gotten so many messages from people for whom Pax Pamir was their first modern board game. And they had a great time, they had no problems with the rulebook!"
Eclipse is also "attacker decides which target they are shooting at" and there is no defense roll. Every ship has an initiative which determines who rolls first and that can often decide the battle alone. It sounds like this system is similar?
I’ve had the game out on my kitchen table since it came in the mail. I just enjoy looking at it. I’m nearly to the point I’m going to put a sign in the yard telling strangers to come in and play with me.
"It's like trying to wrestle an eel. An eel that hates you. Probably hates you because you're trying to wrestle it. Why are you trying to wrestle it? What's wrong with you?"
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"They're just questions, Leon... It's a test designed to provoke an emotional response."
IT IS SO GOOD! The designers learned everything they could from making Root and Oath and combined the best parts of both to create a Ti4 sized experience in half the rules and double the convenience. A masterstroke.
Pin this pls
Is the campaign really half the rules? I don't have my copy yet but have watched some playthroughs and it does seem pretty convoluted to learn.
@@broganirwin864I think the Ti4 comparison to base Arcs is a bit apple to oranges. I can see the Ti4 comparison to Blighted Reach -- that's a different price range (and different video!), though, than base Arcs.
It does matter what a person considers the core experience to a Ti4, though. But when it comes to creating an epic feeling space narrative in a game session, absolutely, Blighted Reach does that. And with fewer rules, ya.
Arcs is nothing like Twilight Imperium
I thought there was only one designer?
“This game will please absolutely everyone”
(Two minutes later)
“You can’t play peacefully”
"You know what I mean when I say Space Games right?" Well, when I think Space games I think Race for the Galaxy, Moonrakers, and Space Base.
Yes, the brakes went on in my head almost immediately upon hearing that there was aggression between players. That is not our group's vibe at all
Exactly this. I'll just mark this one down in the category "I appreciate your passion for the game but it doesn't interest me at all."
if there is agression, me and my girl will love this. She really likes games that require conflict just to piss me off haha
(Also 15 minutes later)
I'm still explaining rules that aren't Euro game elegant. Let's just say that you can tell Cole is a wargamer at heart.
The satisfactory music as background music! what the hell!!!! I got sooo messed up because I was like... what?! (7:58 for anyone wondering)
HA. 1.0 is going to be releasing in a couple weeks. :)
wow... I'm a few thousand hours into that game, so it's basically always in my skull, and I didn't even notice.
@@fuzzzy88 September 10th, this year, actually
I was surprised when _Claire de Lune_ started playing around 9:10. I half expected something from _The Planets_
"There's just so much game in this individual system" hell yeah, that's better than the other way around
You know it’s serious when the cards are sleeved. 😅
Thye always are if you are serious.
@@PMMagro He's referring to the fact that SU&SD doesn't usually sleeve the cards in their board games.
Arcs is brilliant. But it is NOT straightforward. Like many Leder games, it approaches a genre that is well trodden (such as space game) and turns everything on its head (by making action selection into a trick taking game).
I think grokking the mechanics of the game takes a game at least for most people. This is mostly because not only is the shared rulespace between space game and trick taking game is basically 0 (knowing how to play the Crew is only half the battle!), but also that Arcs doesn't do almost anything else like other Space games either. Control is based on fully repaired ships, but damaged ships still have guns. Combat is based entirely on the aggressor, but can cause tremendous backlash for those who are not cautious enough. Victory points are based on who controls what resources (in a very limited pool of resources) at any given time. You might even run out of ships or agents if the relevant scoring hasn't happened in a few turns. Everything works together, but how it works together is absolutely unlike any other game you've played.
Grokking >_>
I don’t disagree it’ll take a play to feel comfortable with the action selection mechanism, but Arcs is definitely much more straightforward than Root or Oath. It was hands down the easiest teach of the three for me.
Grokking sounds like something... unwholesome.
@@paulsousaeasier to learn, teach, and play?
@@naturesfinest2408 I would say yes since you can on-ramp with just the base game, then add Leaders & Lore if you want some starting asymmetry, and finally go to the campaign if you want full blown Leder/Wehrle weirdness.
LETS GOOOOOOO! Hyped for Blighted Reach video, was lucky enough to be apart of the playtesting team I hope everyone enjoys it!!
This is amazing, Tom! The atmosphere you create, the music, the beautiful shots of the game. I really like the sincere reviewing interspersed with silly bits to keep our attention. More sustainable for you to make but still informative and a joy to watch ❤
It's about time. I've only been able to play three games… 1 2 player, 1 3 player, and 1 4 player, but it is captivating. I always leave the game thinking about each chapter, wondering what I could have done to be more efficient.
I was not sure about buying Arcs once it got to retail...until this review. The thing that gets me most excited about Arcs is all of the absolutely beautiful reviews packed so full of emotion and narrative. And this is the best of those reviews by far. Can not wait for part 2!
Wait, it is in retail already? Cant find in EU shops still. Tells me it will be on shelves in December
@@Averageeveydayuser Yeah, it will not be on shelves until at least October, if not later. I was just saying that I was excited for once it got there.
Was expecting the classic mid review turnaround 'BUT' to close out the video but that ending made me even more interested
Tom your point about games feeling temporary or disposable couldn't be more will timed for me. 3 minute board game reviews recently spoke about this feeling and it struck me, now here you are repeating it. Even though the games we own physically last a lifetime or longer they seem to expire in our awareness. Buy the new thing, maybe play it twice, put it on the shelf for 3 years and then sell or trade. Novelty is more valued than mastery when consumerism runs the hobby. I'm hoping that Arcs can challenge that, at least in my group.
THIS! Thanks for putting into writing what I feel everytime I look at my collection. Next to my own short attention span, I really blame the kickstarter fomo hype for my novelty addiction when it comes to boardgames. There is always the next best game (like arcs) in which "I really want to sink my teeth into" but ending up like exactly like you mentioned - playing it for 1-2 times and ending up on my shelf...
This is why war of the ring is the best. And war of the ring players are the best people.
Not sorry. Never will be.
The one thing I hate about kickstarter games, is hearing about them after the campaign has already ended. I look forward to getting this at retail though.
And I hate when it's absolutely silent AFTER a game's kickstarter when the game is done and released. Like there's a bunch of hype videos for the kickstarter and 0 reviews afterwards.
You can preorder it from their website right now.
Luckily Leder gates nothing behind the Kickstarter Campaign. Everything will be at retail in the same version.
On crowfunding you get a cheaper bundle from them but retail preorders are close enough
The asymmetry of the Leaders and Lore stuff reminds me a lot of Cosmic Encounter, which is a favourite in my family. Can't wait to get my hands on Arcs
It’s a favourite in my family too. I think I might grab this game
This review may have taken awhile to come out, but boy was it worth it. Just wish I had more friend to play it with.
The lack of a solo mode saddens me. Yes, I get that it would be difficult to design one...but they just did one for Oath after saying they couldn't. Hopefully, we'll eventually get a clockwork Arcs.
@@AlasdairMacKinnon They have 2 designers specifically for solo games so it probably will happen down the line.
If Tom doesn't eat a raw onion in the part two we riot.
Do I sense a "Dharma Initiative Orientation Video"-style format when explaining resources? Fantastic video.
Could be meow wolf
I get that this game may be genius, but I can't shake the feeling that I, personally, would hate Arcs but adore Oath. Which I still need to get my grubby little hands on to try.
I played a game of Oath and can't stop thinking about it...
Colour me fuckin' stoked. Spent the afternoon unboxing and prepping my copy for a cottage trip. Thanks for the awesome vid!
Great review Tom. I feel I could tell from your description that it is not my group's cup of tea, despite having some interesting mechanisms. Which is important to convey, even in a review that's as glowingly positive as this one.
Tom is such a great barometer for games I should not purchase. This review really helped me understand what Arcs is and why I shouldn't get it. I genuinely appreciate that.
Care to elaborate? I pinky-swear I'm not planning to be confrontational regardless of what you end up replying. I'm just so far off on the other side of this take that I can't imagine how it must feel
The game seems like a big box, competitive, tactical, and with lots of parts to track.
Tom seems to like that sort of thing. If that's not something your into then this review is a pretty good highlight on why you should on this.
@@FBracht some people like playing sinegleplayer games next to each other. y'know the ones where you never or almost never interact. This is not that.
I guess everyone’s game collections are different. I own Arcs - and if we are talking about the base game he is showing it’s not a big box. The box is probably closer to the size of Root. The expansion box on the other hand is enormous. I haven’t even opened it so I can’t speak to it.
It setups up and tears down fast. The base game where everyone is symmetrical is easy to teach and play. The added complexity and parts to make the game asymmetrical is just cards given at the beginning to give special powers.
My family all loves very different games but this has been good for most of us. It has strategic depth but the rules are simple enough the box did not have to include a “Law of Arcs” book like other Wehrle games do.
So as far as big box with lots of parts this is one of the more accessible games I have that I wouldn’t call a family game. I’d probably put it around the complexity level of Dune Imperium, yet I find it a lot more interesting to play.
Yes, this review helped me realise I don’t really want to play this. I can recognise and appreciate the good design of the game, but I don’t find these intensely negotiating, super confrontational game that fun. I like to see game mechanics reflect the theme, and I don’t really get the sense that the theme really shines through in this.
who the fuck has friends who will play the same board game 40 times in a month??!! must be nice
I think he has been playing on TTS for longer than that.
SUSD also received an early copy of the physical game all the way back in March.
@@ormhaxan Yes, he said its been a few months. But still, some of us who are not boardgame reviewers would be overjoyed to play 40 times (any game!) in a year ...
He mentions that he played it with his flatmate. If you live together you can rack these numbers up pretty quickly
Finally got to play - thanks for your bravery to take that stance, this game is incredible, whole family was so excited around the table, complexity / innovation / strategy / tension - this is a masterpiece, my top spot of all time
I'm gonna finish the video first but from that intro I'm very sold that I want this game. I haven't bought a board game in about a year because I'm pretty reserved about adding new things to my collection but this seems like the exception and it doesn't play like anything I have. I also really like this art style for a scifiish game. It almost feels like it could fall into any genre and is close to minimalist but still beautiful
And its relatievly inexspensive for what you get. Only 40 dollars u.s. Leder games doesnt dissapoint me, and like you i tend not to add things ti my collection. This will be the one game I will get this year.
Thank you SUSD for inevitably knocking “The Dick Sits” off of the top of the BGG hot list with this video
It's currently in first place, so I don't think that's happening right now 😅
@@FelipeRodrigues-vj1zb Yeah somehow it's still there. What the heck?
I didn't know this was a thing. Going to give it 10 stars now! Thanks for pointing it out.
come on Nightshift!
All the precious BGG users unite and head for the thumbs up 👍 on this comment
@13:05 casually putting these specific BGG users on blast. I'm here for it.
This review begged for balance, hate that this is the avenue they chose to find some.
And I don’t disagree with the reviewers either. Just because the reviewer enjoys it doesn’t mean it’s for everyone.
SUSD this is a call to come and visit the Twin Cities the birthplace of both Arcs & Earthborne Rangers!
& Twilight Imperium & Pandemic & Too Many Bones & so many more!
We in the Twin Cities are very fortunate when it comes to Board Game quality.
Twin cities? Never heard of them. Do you get a lot of twins there or what?
*wipes tears away with a Fuel Cartel card*
It's beautiful!!!! 😭
Awesome review Tom, can't wait for part 2! On a sidenotey what music did ya'll use in this one? I've definetly identified satisfactory, and maybe citizen sleeper so far....
The intro had me intrigued, and the card play looked very interesting, but the further the video went and added more and more...I think this is too much for my brain to deal with enjoyably.
Great review. Really captures what an unexpectedly elegant game that Arcs turned out to be. So happy I backed.
The satisfactory music tickles something in my brain that makes me want to go build something with 100 percent efficiency.
SUSD's review arrived before my copy 😭
cries in EU
Glad to hear I'm not the only one who hasn't received theirs yet. : )
The UK wait goes on 😭... was already excited for this to arrive before Tom's review.
same ;__;
I must admit I was very close to being put off when you described one of the key ingredients as being "trick taking", but thankfully it seems to only have a small amount of that DNA. I'm very intrigued by this one! I'll probably pick this up over TI as my first proper 'space game'.
Action selection has trick-taking elements, instead of being a mechanism. That's one of the main points of discussion recently.
Waited to watch until after I had played my copy and I agree with a lot!
One thing I know - I am definitely putting the resource stacks in the center of the board going forward - our first game was decided by the hard limit of 5 resources come screaming into relevance in the final round.
Been waiting three months for a copy to ship to me, but it's on its way now!!
MUCH EXCITE.
How important would you deem the language of the game? Trying to decide if I need this asap and preorder it in english or wait for the inevitable language release quite some time down the line. Me and my playgroup are quite capable in english but playing in your own language always is a bit more chill.
Language is important to read Guild, Lore, Vox, Events, Leader, etc. cards. This is a game where you will sometimes need to reach over to read that's the text of the court cards, etc. (At least until you mesmerize all the powers and such.)
And they are nuanced. Most of them are ways to break or bend rules of the game.
For base game, you'll be 100% fine with English cards. There isn't a lot of cards, they don't have a lot of text on them, many of the effects are similar to each other, and, most importantly: there is no hidden information. Every single card will hit the table first, at which point it can be explained to the players.
For the campaign, this is still all true… except that there is a lot more cards.
I'm sold on this! Oath is my favorite game of all time, so this should fit nicely in my collection.
Hooooooo boy, if Oath is your jam, wait until you learn about the Campaign in Arcs. It will explode your noggin
I didn’t look too much into the campaign. I’m curious if it’s worth just starting by buying the base game.
@@ElTomTom87 If you're unsure you'll like the game mechanics, such as the cardplay and all that, it is very much recommended to get only the base game. Especially if you're in a position to just walk into a game store and buy the campaign whenever you decide to.
Excellent B-roll framing and on point editing as always. Definitely a game I need to see if my friends who enjoy this kind of game would be interested in.
A lot of this made me think of cosmic encounter with just a little more structure to hang things off.
Having played a few games now, I agree with Tom's sentiment. I am interested to know what the rest of the SUSD crew thinks about it, given Tom is admittedly quite biased when it comes to Cole Wehrle.
14:42 the weapon resource will make any card into a battle card is this an errata or error? weapon resource allows you to spend actions (pips) as battle actions which makes the moblization 2 very very frightening indeed. move and battle or is the whole card now battle only? thanks
Played this game last week and really enjoyed it. I can't wait to play it a few more times now that I know how it works.
Can I ask what brand of sleeve you use? Mine are a lot shinier and make the cards difficult to read unless angled correctly…these look way better!
Holy shit I remember when the Oath review dropped it’s been 3 years 😳
Man, I really wished there was a solo mode for this game,I would buy it without hesitation 😢
I'm confused by the state of the board at exactly 12:17 (Lead Aggression 5, copied card, Aggression 1, Aggression 6). How could that Aggression 1 have been played if it's not a copy (face up), not a pivot (same suit), and not a surpass (lower value)?
I bought Root and Oath sometime back but, so far, I don't find Leder games accessible at all.
Really does seem like a lot of fun :D thank you for the review
The 2 versions of Vast are still my favorite Leder games. I owned Root and Oath, kept Root for awhile, and Oath for a single game before selling them both. I had backed this but then pulled out as it was very uninspiring in its earlier stages of the campaign. Between your video here, and a local friend likely bringing it to a meetup, I'll have to give a try, and ascertain how well it works for us.
Hey, as someone who is Vast curious but can't decide on which to grab: which do you like best?
@@Shazirah_Kaur Mysterious Manor is easier to teach, and has been slightly more popular with the game group. I think it's easier to find as well. I do like Crystal Caverns as well, and prefer the cavern role over the manor role, but I do feel manor may be a better starting point.
So, I had completely forgotten that Leder Games was working on this and, after Tom opening saying this was his current favourite new game, I had one of those chills-down-the-back moments when I saw the box art, so distinct from Kyle Ferren and Leder Games. I'm a huge fan of both Root and Oath, and hearing SUSD sing its praises is definitely exciting!
I am (I guess similarly to Tom) Werhle pilled. John Company, Oath and now Arcs are absolutely in my top shelf games in the board gaming space. Just fantastic game design and development all around with a big ol' BUT - they take such a specific mindset to really engage with and appreciate, so it's very easy (and understandable) for folks to bounce off them if it's not the style of game they are looking for. I'm glad that Arcs is the most accessible as it has the core design foundations that interest me (unreliable planning, emergent narrative, some campaign elements that aren't permanently destroying game pieces).
Anyway, looking forward to the 2nd part of this vid (I say, while still watching this'n).
I watched the whole video but I think I could’ve stopped at “trick taking space game” and still be enthralled
Is that TTS mod shown at 23:39 a perk thats only available to backers/preorders? Or is it in the workshop?
It is in Workshop
The first versions of the map was almost enough to scare me from backing the game. The final map on the other hand is absolutely gorgeous in my opinion and I can't wait for my Kickstarter copy to arrive!
Classic Tom! Can't keep him from monopolizing and then subsequently drinking-all-of the fuel in the Reach! Boy loves his diesel!!!
I was one of the people who were put out by the map change. To me the more abstract new map lacked the geography and space to allow a scifi story to happen. I was disappointed but kept my pledge.
Then I played some solo games on TTS.
The new map is so much better than the old map! Not only did it make play easier and smother, it also still had that feeling of geography and terrain that I wanted, maybe it even had that feeling in greater quantaties as now positions and entanglement where clearer and more readily expressed and interacted with.
I can't wait for my pledge to arrive. Sadly I will have to sit on the game for a long time I imagine as I'm about to have my first child and thats not going to leave much time to dig in to Arcs the way it deserves. Talk about bad timing (I can't wait to be a farther though)!
How long is typical game? Is it too heavy for a casual table?
Depends on how much people like to think about their turn. I find that individual turns can go very fast if people are willing to think fast, and that makes a game of base Arcs less than 2 hours. I also feel like this is a game where casual players will play pretty quickly, because an individual turn doesn't have many decisions to make--it's all about how those short turns add up over the course of a round.
Rulebook suggests 45 minutes per player for a first game and 30 minutes per for subsequent plays.
Its at the very least mid weight so probably too much for casual players. My 3 4 player games have all lasted at least 3 hours
Just did a learn and play at a con. Just under 3hrs for the player game
what? a leder games game with aggressive dice? is the sun still hot? I bet it is
but the flavors man.... I wanna taste them now
I've only played the base game a couple times so far, but I think what it addressed in Cole's designs from Root and Oath (snappier turns, clear journey arcs -haha-) that you point out, particularly applied to grand strategy space games, is what I think I love MOST about this. I'm a play fast kind of board gamer and I think that --finally-- aligns well here
Seems like an intriguing game,but looks like a beast to teach.
The campaign is a lot for sure, but if you start with only the base game, without any of the add-ons, it's remarkably straightforward. (Much easier to understand than Root for example)
It is actually not! If you're teaching a new player, you won't be playing the campaign and you won't be including Leaders & Lore, so the teach is 90% just describing the 7 or 8 actions on the cards and the flow of the trick-taking card play (the whole Lead, Surpass, Copy, Pivot thing). It's actually their easiest game to teach so far!
After people have played one game, introducing Leaders and Lore is literally a 5 minute teach.
And after both of these nice onramps, teaching the campaign-specific stuff takes about as long as the base game teach - at most.
Love this review and video. Well done. I haven’t been buying games in a while but this convinced me this game is worth it. Quick question, what sleeves are those that you are using ? Looks like a matte sleeve. Really trying to find a good set of sleeves that aren’t reflective. Thanks !
I would recommend UltraPro Matte sleeves, standard poker size. Bit pricey but they nice!
You know that time,
when SU&SD reviewed XIA ?
This reminds me of that, just a bit. 🤔🙂
Oof, Xia. There's a game I wish I'd bought when it was only slightly insanely priced 😢
While I think the video came over well and how the game plays, looks and feels, I still think this might not be for me. This seems more like a tactical, strategic spacegame for people that like a large amount of randomness and the balancing act of spacing out your cards more than the gradual, effciency and planning we get from games like TI4. Now those games usually spiral out of control because they aren't really balanced incredibly well, but this also insures that all the politics can stabilize the situation and the game eventually ends within a reasonable time.
This seems more like the YOLO version of a space 4-X, where you take a gamble more often than a carefully planned strategy. That is the exact opposite of what my gaming group prefers. Even in TI4, where there actually is a lot of gradual planning, the most feel bad moments are nearly always a horrible agenda card being revealed and voted through that totally wrecks 1 or 2 players completely, or a completely lobsided series of dicerolls that turns an almost unlosable combat in a disastrous loss.
Maybe I shouldn't be comparing Arcs to TI4, which is a far grander, larger and (probably) lengthier game. But as the most prominent game we play that roughly fits in the same theme, it will still be the most logical competitor.
The most important marker of a game I am going to like a lot, is that when watching a review, I immediately like it and my mind races as to how to play this game and getting really excited, maybe even getting to check out the rulebook if it is available. This just doesn't does that for me. The art doesn't entice me, the gameplay might be good, but it isn't convincing enough to pull me over.
I'm willing to give it a try, but I think if we want a shorter spacegame, we will play Eclipse, or possible even Dune Imperium, as both games are excellent for their length and complexity and we barely have time to get those out enough anyway.
Looks awesome !
I hope they plan to release a french version of the game !
Not a game I was expecting to want to play, but you make it sound intriguing. My best interpretation so far would be "Scythe meets Brian Boru, with dice". My main issue there is the "with dice" part...
Yea, Scythe where all the factions are Crimea and the only way to score is through combat.
Once again a phenomenal review video! Wow.
BEST wow, that's the highest praise. I guess I'll need to try it out.
I didn’t expect ‘technically difficult’ to make me laugh so much
The worst part about this review is that it got me hyped up for a game I didn’t know about until now and I can’t get the game for 2 months.
The VHS style Resourses and You bit was dope
I'm honestly just so delighted to see Tom *beaming*
Which sleeves do you use? They seem to be rough on the back and matte on the front. Are they the Docsmagic ones?
Only played once but I could feel the vast depths of complexity lurking beneath the surface sucking me in. 10/10 would become obsessed again.
19:46 a certain [[#1 rated salesman circa 1997]] would be proud
The intergalactic currency is, of course, Kromer
Darn, this looks soooo awesome! But I really hope I can figure out a way to play this solo...
Me at the start of the review: Oh, it's a space game - I'm probably going to want it, but it'll have to be something pretty special for me to be able to justify it with Eclipse and TI4 on my shelves.
And then the review proceeds to outline how it includes a ton of my favorite mechanics for other games, and now I'm checking how much TI4 sells for because honestly I haven't got that to the table in years and it could probably pay for this....
I have both Eclipse and TI4. TI4 is a "once a year game" it requires a full day commitement from a lot of people with kids in my life. Eclipse is a "few times a year game". It's playable in a single night, but then again said game night cannot start at 9PM, it require less commitment than TI4, but its still a bit complicated to get out. If I have a saturday night game with people that know the game, it can be pulled out as a random pick for the night. Those game don't fill the same niche ;) (ok the campaign game is another thing. I look forward to see if Tom thinks it's a great "3-session game" or more a "book the whole day like TI4 and just burn trough a campaign")
@@pierreolivierlepage664 for me, Eclipse is a "weekend afternoon" game, and if I have a full day for board games then I'm probably either running an RPG or doing a few different ones (especially since my partner really would not enjoy a game the length of TI, but would have a good time with Eclipse plus some lighter things after).
TI is great, I definitely enjoy TI when I've played it - it's just that getting enough folks together for a game is an issue (it's always an "organise in advance" thing, where Eclipse can be a "hey we have a free afternoon" thing), and I'd rather have Eclipse which I can play often enough to feel like I'm gaining mastery rather than having to learn everything.
Probably I'll be trying to sell it to a friend so I get invited if they run a game.
Arc seems like it might fit in that "weekday evening" niche a bit more neatly than Eclipse (which has tended to run a bit long so far, mostly due to being a chunky teach and having new players each time).
"...that combines trick-taking with space games. You know what I mean by the latter, right?"
Yes, the latter I know, but never in my several decades of board-gaming have I heard the term trick-taking. I guess that's because English is my second language and because I'm not into old-school card games. But now I know.
9:25 Is that a Flotilla reference? I never see that game getting mentioned.
Alright alright im sold. I'll try playing the game with my group lol
Loved this! Can't wait for Part 2
Glad that u took your time to review this game . I heard that is legendary but haveo idea that is from root and Outh game devs.
Why am I not suprised about Tom absolutely gushing over a complex and heavy trick-taking game? :D Lovely video!
It's actually mechanically dead-simple, but the space of play is huge, which is why he is gushing.
You know the game is gold when Tom sleeves it. We love you guys, smashing video and fantastic game!
Just played the base game the other night at a friends and have immediately ordered it the next day.
A few notes:
- rounds can be VERY slow if you have a player who wants to math everything out; you should set an early expectation that tactics are likely to be more relevant than strategy
- the way that the card values combine with enabling win conditions is frikkin awesome
As for the campaign... I'm not so sure. Realistically, i dont think i can get the regular group together. Maybe one day...
Sounds great, but I gotta say my heart sank a little on hearing "Victory Points". Dunno why. They just feel arbitrary maybe?
Victory points don’t feel as arbitrary here. They’re earned in chunks as objectives are scored at the end of each chapter, so it’s more like objectives with varied weighting.
There’s no pinging an undefended building with an archer for the win in Arcs like there is in Root.
The victory points aren't given in heaps, but guide the story that the game creates. In my last play, someone killed a lot of pieces, so the warlord ambition was what they picked. On the next chapter, after they cashed out all their trophies, I declared warlord and started blasting away. And because scoring items are cashed out or can easily be stolen, it doesn't make it seem like achieving points is out of your grasp when someone takes the lead in an ambition.
The way ambitions work makes VP feel very different here, like the other commenters note. They're more like measuring the massive blows that you struck over the course of the game, and because they increase in value over time, you can absolutely clutch a win from low point values near the end of the game.
The fuel cartel is such a great Dune reference. Looks like a Maker and works like a Dune faction.