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Jordan Peterson - The Arrogance of The Intellect
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2017
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Psychology Professor Dr. Jordan B. Peterson warns not to mistake intelligence with moral superiority. There is no relation between being smart and being wise.
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I like how Peterson managed to say “wow that’s arrogant of you” without actually attacking the man.
Exactly what I thought 😂
It was art
"That attitude is immediately evident to people that they're talking to... if they are arrogant intellectuals of that sort." Subtle but sharp.
They say expect highest qualities from yourself but don't tell your superior quality to others, welp they're right
@@joyfuluniter5445 giving visual references helps people to understand concepts better, since they can immagine the scenario instead of having to understand the abstract definition. ofcourse it sounds a bit "cringe" yet some people would have not got the concept 100% without a concrete example
I am the most humble person who ever lived. No one can match my incredible humiliity. No matter how humble you might think you are, you're downright arrogant compared to me.
LOL i like it ! Thank You
I'm more humble but less arrogant than you!
No you
Lmao
My Dad had a saying,,," an educated fool is DANGEROUS".
Hey my first question is “I’m smart”, thank you for your time.
Michael B I read your comment sir. I laughed heavily.... thank you
Anthony Harvey thank you sir, I’m just happy someone else appreciates it
Gahaha
THAT is damn funny!
I love it, your sense of humour, I really love it 😂😂.
Intellect: " I know things others dont."
Wisdom: " I know things others dont. But others know things that i dont."
Nope.
Intellect: "If I speak with stupid people, and tell them everything in details, they will understand me and become my friends or allies"
Wisdom: "Fuck it, I'll just exploit them"
Intelligent people are out there desperately seeking someone to be friends with, to understand them, and to help them enjoy life. We are social beings, and IQ plays a big part in how we socialize. I also think this is one of the main reasons intelligent people can be sad or nihilistic more often... Excuse the questioner's "arrogance", but it can get frustrating when you are unable to find someone to bond with, so I think that sometimes intelligent people might grasp onto intellectual dominance or power for satisfaction to fill the empty spaces.
Ps:
I define intelligence as high IQ but I know there is alot of variability...
@@allanhenriques2694 intelligent people cannot get out of intellectual bubble. intelligent people tend to be depressed,sad and nihilistic. they found life is meaningless. while wise people can go beyond intellectual bubble and be all around balance. wise people always happy even in difficult situation because the wise find the true meaning of life.
@@almalayuwiyyah2512 to get to that point without lowering your standards, requires alot of wisdom. Wisdom is a complex concept, but to some degree I believe it is a product of genetics. Not everybody has an equal capacity to be wise, and one could hypothesize that a higher intelligence requires more wisdom to tame that intelligence. When you are highly intelligent, and you have a lower capacity for wisdom, then telling yourself to be more wise is like telling the elephant to climb the tree. Wisdom isn't the be all and end all, there are many more things to life on top of wisdom. So to some degree, we as a society have to facilitate a good environment for those stuck in an intelligence bubble, rather than forcing them to attain enough wisdom to deal with the difference in their intelligence and that of the population.
@@allanhenriques2694 I think you have a point. But the reality is that "intellectual" or high IQ people are a minority. Is normal that because of being a minority, you feel excluded and tend to depression, etc. There are two solutions to improve this situation, the first is to transform the "intellectuals" into more "normal" people, to get wisdom. The second one is to transform the "normal" people into more "intellectual" ones. But because "intellectuals" are a minority the first is the one that usually will happen.
There is other solution and maybe a lot more, this solution is divide the society in 2, what happens, but actually to get it to an extreme.
I dont really know what you mean with a good enviroment, but its hard the change the society because of a minority, even If it is supposed to be good that minority. Is easier to expect the minority to change, that is the way the human society works, and not only the human one.
And even If there is some ease for some people to be wise, as there is to be "intelligent", I think most of the time is used as an excuse. Because a low level of wisdom or intelligence, does not require "talent", and talent usually takes importance at higher levels. Somebody who has not even tried, has no right to talk about talent. I dont know how much you tried it, but is not an excuse.
> Has a high need for intellectual stimulation
> Can't phrase a question
those two are not mutually exclusive
Einstein couldn't tie his shoes himself
@@testaccount-lt2vq Citations for this claim, please. (And I mean credible, accurate citations)
John Doe Yea this is proof how intelligence is far more complex than people think, just like the guy who made the main comment in this thread. He thinks that being smart means meeting whatever his definition of smart means, which goes to show his own stupidity.
Capabilities of Brain are obviously complex, this shouldn’t be surprise.
@@chikewaa quite true
I was arrogant, but then I cleaned my room.
If you feel arrogant, drink some water...thats washes away the arrogance...
It is a humbling experience.
Peter Farnsworth A
I rescued my room from the belly of my father
Peter Farnsworth anyone who has applied themselves to recovery with only the sense that a desperate dying person can , full well knows the concept of cleaning ones own house - and that Yes is a metaphor
"How do I talk to these peasants?"
touche'
Basically, yeah
Jack Crimson hahaha
Wifflum you don’t know how to use commas, bitch
How do I reech these keeeds (Eric cartman voice)
People are being hard on the guy but at least the reason he's asking the question is because he wants to connect with others instead of writing them off like can often be the reaction of smart people to those who don't understand them. It could also simply be read as "I'm having a hard time finding people who share my particular interests. What can I do?"
003 7712 people got pissed by him because he claimed he's an intellectual. You can easily frame the question avoiding belittling others if you're that smart, but he still chose to do it. Maybe he didn't meant to, who knows, but his execution of the question is just a little bit off to the side of arrogant show offs.
@@nikkan3810 There's no way to know his intentions, and the generalized actions of others have nothing to do with his. I could say your comment is a bit to that side as well but I won't because that's not nice. I'll defer to Jordan who as a true studied intellectual could have nailed him to the wall but instead chose to give an answer that would hopefully benefit him regardless.
003 7712 Sure, I agree with that. But what I meant was, you can't expect everyone to be as reasonable as Jordan. I can't know what's going on in the head of that guy, but he expressed his experience in a really weird way. Maybe that's subjective but he still could have done better. And that's the main reason behind negative feedback.
Also it's nice to see sobering kindness sometimes. You've kinda chilled me a bit.
@@nikkan3810 Learn to be kind without expecting anything in return. Also learn to not give a fuck what anyone else thinks of you. Then learn to do both of those things at the same time. It's pretty simple but it's far from easy.
@@rumpustime5460 sir I have no idea who you are but that piece of advice just hit me deep. Thank you becuase reading that and connecting to it was empowering to the point where I'm actually going to impliment it into my life.
There is a Jewish saying
"איזהו החכם? הלומד מכל אדם"
Meaning "Who is smart? One who learns from everyone"
That was nice.
That's a great saying
Yay, that means I'm smart. I love the Jews. 💖
I would say smart is the ability to learn and being open towards all opinions will eventually make you wise. At least thats the way jordan used the terms in the video.
So i think swapping smart for wise in that sentence would fit the definition of those words better
thats smart saying also reminding me of one my favorite "stupid people learn from their own mistakes, smart people learn from mistakes of others".
Absolutely incredible the way the doc responded. He didn't laugh or sneer or mock the guy. He answered the question, and brilliantly - no - wisely, at that. I'm awestruck.
He smirked when he took a sip of his water at the end :) ... loved it!!
Gil's final message: NEVER lie again or WE ALL go to Hell.
I used to be an arrogant intellectual.
Then I realized I know nothing. No one does. The world is far to complex for anyone to guide, fix, or even truly understand.
So guide, fix, and understand a tiny piece of it! It is your duty!
Clean your room!
I love Jp.
I wish everyone thought that way, props to you :)
A modern day Socrates in motion. Hats off to you.
"If I am stupid then everyone is"
Nice try. Even more arrogant than before and also depressed.
@@sardinhunt It isn't that everyone is "stupid," it is that not one singular human being knows enough of everything in existence to change the whole world, or even, in most cases, another human being. So, given that, being arrogant makes absolutely no sense.
It’s the classic “ the blind leading the blind.”
In my experience, those who proclaim themselves intellectuals aren't.
how to create stereotypes
People call me intellectuals all the time 😏
Very true, because if you're smart, you're smart enough to realise that you're actually an idiot in most areas.
I'm like a smart person...
bill maher and joe rogan come to mind
"I hAvE a VErY hIGh NeEd fOR inTeLleCtuAl stIMulTioN "
I know right, Intellectually dodge my foot from your ass, guy
Clive Makong'o i love stimultion
@@thenae8572 apparently, one can be an intellectual and not very smart at the same time. Otherwise, they would have figured out what Peterson said on their own. Not that difficult.
i'M nOt LiKe ThE oThEr InTeLlEcTuAlS~
Oh my gosh! Haha
He's wise, smart and compassionate. Very rare.
He has a great sense of humanity. He cares about human conditions. The fact that he's also spiritual and an educated thinker makes him a rare individual. Let me recommend you one of his lecture where he is deeply concerned about human conditions : ruclips.net/video/TaAA_jkkkpU/видео.html
... and patient, very... (admirable)
"Am so smart to the point I can't have conversation with other humans"
In other words man explains why he has no friends
i think it is due to his arrogance why he has no friends, not his "intelligence"
@@AverageAngel If you were an intellectual like me, you would understand the joke.
See we can dumb it down. Well said.
I think there is some truth to it. Intelligence doesn't make you socially capable, but it DOES make you almost automatically good at a lot of things. This can create a harsh contrast between your experience in intellectual pursuits and social ones, which drives you away from being social.
Then you never get the experience you NEED to be skilled at socializing, which means you never actually improve. After all, it's often much harder for the naturally gifted to try something they're just not automatically good at, since your default assumption will be that you're just not doing it right.
What this guy was looking for was a trick, but what he needs was just to force himself through a few hundred hours of awkward socialization and he'll suddenly find himself skilled enough to actually do it for fun, and from there it's all gravy.
If your the smartest person in the room.. Your in the wrong room. If your the only person in the room your only as smart as the room is big. The room is ego.
That was the nicest roast ever.
Kristina G. It’s the kind of roast you’d expect from a Canadian or something. 😉
Not necessarmy just a wake up call
It was an answer to a question nothing less nothing more
Peterson is one of those rare intellectuals that would be just as comfortable having a beer with Joe the blue collar as he is having deep philosophical conversations with Sam Harris
Joe the Plumber?
Or a deeply philosophical conversation with Joe the blue collar, facilitated by said beer. :P
lol Sam Harris
White Chocolate joe rogan the plumber
I think he spent a lot of his early years around people in the trades and later life around intellectuals in academia. By not staying in just one of those silos, he got a relatively broad view of society.
"Having an IQ of 160 and bring useless happens all the time." JP has a way with words.
Rephraseit
What is?
@@nanst it's not lol.
Peeps who score 160 or something on an IQ test become arrogant and think that they're the end all be all of the universe...
If someone invents or does something, they'll be like "I COULD'VE DONE THAT TOO!"
Whereas in reality, they would've gotten stuck since the beginning and accomplish nothing.
At the end they achieve nothing in life....
Einstein and Feynman were not there just because of their intellect. They also had willpower and motivation and diligence in what they wanted to do along with humility.
You don't have to think "less" about yourself. Think less often about yourself.
@@nanst the only thing I disagreed with you on is about how rare it is.
I'd say it's pretty common.
That's all.
There's a lot of arrogant fools out there.
The ancient greeks though a man had to be both physically fit and intelectual, so they both wrestled in their gyms and thought about deep stuff. I think it would be wise to be like those greeks
then the nerds would become more attractive and and otheres would listen to what they say. And they would feel understood
Problem solved. Just kidding.
It's the Renaissance come again my dude
Kalokagatia 😏
"Wrestling", yeah. Let's call it that. Let's not call it what it really was. Foreplay before the butt fucking.
Now that sounds like I gym I'd want to join
"Yeah so basically I'm too smart to talk to normal people so what do I do?" the problem is everyone thinks they're Einstein when in reality being a genius is extremely rare
Or very high in openness with a slightly above average iq (110-120). Jordan even expanded upon that concept in this speech. If you are very high in openness (interest in ideas, unconventional ways of thinking, pick up patterns easily, appreciate aesthetics etc) it can be difficult to find others to relate to on certain topics, just like it can be difficult for someone who's very agreeable or very extraverted. If you're different enough (not the same as better) you can easily perceive other people who are more balanced in their personality makeup as boring, too sensitive (low neuroticism) or (in the case of agreeableness) as too caring/unempathic.
Humility is key. So what if you’re a ‘genius’. There’s always someone smarter than you. There’s always someone better than you! And that’s how the world is; a beautiful mix and a treasure of opportunities and experiences with people. Humility is more fun, as you discover that what you see isn’t always the truth. If you’re too arrogant, you won’t have much opportunity to learn new things!
Unfortunately, alot of people are like that. They think that they are too smart to learn from anyone that they deem to be beneath them intellectually.
Sinbad-Crouching Tiger but there is always gonna be that one on the top of the hierarchy.
Of course its just 1, but if everyone involved is supposed to assume that they can’t be that 1 then that’s really stupid because one of them is that “1”
This slight fallacy makes that perspective rather shallow... but insightful nonetheless due to the clever structure in 99.9999% of the cases...
Huh, kinda funny how circular that is
If you’re the smartest person in the room, then you need to go to a different room.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.
Abraham Lincoln or Mark Twain I believe. Good quote regardless.
That depends on the situation. Here's an different saying. Someone that asks a question looks like a fool for five minutes but someone who never asks that question remains a fool forever.
can't agree. Now the man has the chance to change, whereas without asking the question he would not have (at least as quickly).
Prehaps its better to ask an arrogant question and learn something from it than to remain arrogant. I think that this guy probably learned something about himself that day, and hopefully he grew from the experience.
I agree with the 3 people above me. I used to be very much the same as the guy who asked the question. It took me about 3 or 4 extremely important people in my life to hint at the possibility that I was arrogant (through my interest in abstract ideas and concepts and my anger/irritation when people didn't care for it) in order for me to even start considering it as a possibility, even though few friends (and ex-girlfriends) had hinted or said it in some manner.
I don't even consider myself super smart or 'an intellectual', but I did JP's UnderstandMyself test and the Intellect was at 98th percentile, so it indeed helped me understand a whole lot of things. If I had contact with that test and this video (and all the JP content) about 12 years ago, I would not have suffered as much, and would have probably dodged depression and panic disorder.
Better to ask and get rekt than to remain in the illusion of superiority.
Cringing so hard during that question.
He gave a good explanation regarding the disconnect between legitimate intellectuals and average society, and why the former often feels ostracized
he really didn't even ask a question at first. It was more like a brag, it was very arrogant and just annoying.
@Joshua Gonzaga stuttering is often genetic rather than anything to do with intelligence.
Joshua Gonzaga actually stuttering often results from your brain moving faster than your mouth can get out the words and is fairly common in high intellectual people
Sabrina C no way to word it without “bragging” You can look at things objectively and properly determine what you are capable of, if you state it, is it really bragging or is it the truth? I don’t get why people become so obsessed with social standards and ignore the possibilities. In reality if you get annoyed at it, it simply means you are insecure. Reality is, there are talented people...and the not so talented. It is not hard to look at yourself objectively and determine that.
I like how he immediately stopped the crowd from applauding after he called the guy out as being arrogant. He wants him to know that he has an arrogant attitude, but he doesn't want him to feel bad about it and close up.
Iq tested at 160+ here on a specialized test back in the 9th grade. I have never had an issue with people being too dumb or not interesting enough. If you think someone isn't interesting anymore after a short conversation, then either you aren't interested enough or you aren't interesting enough. No matter how intelligent you are, you've only lived one lifetime with one set of circumstances. Everyone else has lived a different life and probing their perspective is something you can only do by asking
Thomas Stewart the typical collegiate intellectual is so siphoned, arrogant and elitist that they only perceive a certain faction of ideas and subjects as "deep" and worth their time. I know a guy who is considered gifted and tested into a high IQ tier and he literally gets enraged at "normal" ppl and how boring /basic they are to him, an attitude that I personally find disturbing. For me, overtime I've been able to peel back the layers of what appears normal and I find most ppl and most aspects of human nature utterly fascinating not just in an analytical way but even in a way that relates to archetypes, symbolism and reoccurring patterns within history.
This attitude makes me more appreciate and more in awe of all that's around me, rather than standing in an intellectual ivory tower mocking every and anything that doesn't fit into the alleged schema of "deep and intellectually stimulating"
Thomas Stewart Thank you. Exactly my thoughts.
Thomas Stewart I completely agree.
I’m so intellectually intelligent that I get bored with other intellectuals because they say things I’ve already thought of five years ago, I need some troglodytes to think of something simple that my hyper intuitive brain hasn’t found worthy to think about yet😏😏
Ruth M. lmfao, you are copy and pasting your comment just to show of to people how virtues you are.
Funny how intelligence fools itself. Years of youthful accolades sets the adult trap of arrogance. The complexity of life can overwhelm the most intelligent into chaos.
Agreed, when I realised my top grades and success in exams meant nothing, I also realised that I was waiting and waiting to reap the rewards of this 'success', not putting any effort into living or having success in any field as I was almost conditioned to think that being good at exams and a quick learner was enough. On top of my poor social skills. I'm realising my arrogance and trying to analyse myself and take action and calm the chaos caused by holding onto childhood - that I 'have potential', that 'my time will come', even down to things like assuming my body will heel itself like it did when I was a child so ignoring pain and trying to sort things out without help...Unwilling to let go of the child phase through arrogance
thechampionessa
A friend of mine told me. "Arrogant people who think they know everything upset the ones who do."
Im not sure i get that phrase, they upset noone because noone knows everything, or they upset themselves becausethey believe they know everything? Never heard it before...
thechampionessa
A joke on denial of arrogance. Imagine two arrogant people arguing against themselves.
I was once arrogant, then I read Darwin’s origin of species when I was 5 and decided to evolve, so I did then, then I sold my old fossil, I’m 6 now.
god the guy asking the question seemed insufferable
"I am very smart and everyone bores me, what do?"
No kidding.
There is no such thing as a stupid question..... but there are underdeveloped people.
That sort of question is difficult to word in a way that doesn't make you seem like a jackass, but it's still a good question to ask. The problem comes with the word "intellectual" as it is a loaded word, but in the context of the guy's question he really just meant people who have a very distinct set of interests which are far away from anything most people look into.
I was thinking the same thing. Who refers to themselves like that?
Someone struggling with that problem and taking the first steps to solve it. Hence why he asked Peterson about it...
"but then they run out of ideas and they can't keep up." Well, why would they want to keep up? It would just prolong the torture of having a human interaction with that guy.
Also there are enough people, with whom he will run out of ideas pretty fast. And he pictures that stuff like he has a struggle to find an intellectual match. Ffs just go try find a girl, maybe that will set you up on a proper conversation...
I would guess that the people that guy is talking to start to glaze over and drift away after about 5 minutes of his insufferable pomposity.
They're not out of their depth, they're bored and irritated. 🙄
I grew up being told I was very smart because I've always had good grades with little to no effort, but now in college I get constantly humbled by insanely smart teachers and other students. That's why I think going to college was such a huge blessing in my life
I am growing up in a technological age. Thankfully technology has shown me almost every time that everybody else is smart in their fields of interest and I am no more superior than anyone else.
Haha I feel you. I always used to be the smartest kid in the room, but right now I'm law school and I'm average at best
good grades dont make you smarter good grades in school just means you have good memory it has nothing to do with real smartness
I went to college hoping that FINALLY I would be challenged. And it was like I was back in grade school again. So I left and traveled the world again.
@@sup494 that's not true. The two most important factors that determine if someone is a good student are intelligence and consciousness. Your IQ does matter
Humility is a virtue. Learn how to ask questions. Watch Richard Bandler lectures or join MENSA. "Be wise as serpent..."
RJ Thomas
... and kind like the doves
I have a big tragedy in my life: I was a very good pupil in an elite type school, earned a BA with 1.9 in philosophy, painted, participated at Berklee Summer school; was a translator; though studied in the Mag plan but I suffer from neurological lyme etc and still have to go to a neurologist/encephalitis type problems. This is like in flowers for Algernon. My personality is gone. I suffer from real neuro problems (confirmed lab work) and I need help. Either I accept this worse problems or I go on. dariako333@gmail.com - Daria Kokozej. (You can read my website, in case people again say they do not believe me ; I hate being traumatized so much )
...yet as innocent as a lamb.
@@mykimikimiky as you go out among the wolves.
As soon as you’re able to gain respect, not for the people with the highest intelligence, but for the people who work the hardest, you can begin welcome anyone into your life no matter how smart or dumb they may be. If you feel like your intelligence is blocking you from having meaningful relationships with others, learn to respect them for their drive, passion, and hard work, not for their IQ points. Then you might start making friends.
Thank you for these wise words. I think that I really needed to hear that.
This is what you call a slow burn...
it's tough being intellectuals like us
zack soto that dude is arrogant as hell
+Drigger95 arrogant or not, he is right.
Nicola Tesla? Are you alive again?
Bro tell me about it
It' s lonely on that lofty perch.
I feel like, people didn't really listen to Peterson's answer and are kind of bashing the guy who awkwardly asked the question.
Some weird sense of ultimate humility will not solve this problem. If you have a real interest in ideas, not discussing them with other people will make you depressed really quickly. That's how it is and there's no shame in it.
People appear to see the word "intellectual" being used for oneself as immediate arrogance, but I believe in this case it was just honesty and an unwillingness to comply with the requirement to be almost self-degrading when talking about one's own intellect. And even being proud to be good at something, even being proud to be better at something than others isn't inherently arrogant. It only becomes arrogant if it extends into a sense of general superiority.
I agree, i really find it odd that most people missed the point of Jordan's answer. I think it just shows how that position isn't really a relatable position to be in, having an interest in ideas and theory's per say and not having anyone to share it with can really get you depressed easily, i have that issue and it really clicked for me when Jordan answered and he pronounced it in a way that you can get around with it somehow and adapt with people.
@nGy , @Abdullah AlAwadhi
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amysbakingcompany
I think I found the thread of people who are also interested in ideas ;)
I'm someone that finds myself in a similar position to the guy asking the question sometimes. I often find myself getting frustrated because conversations are rarely on a level that I find interesting and I have an insatiable desire for intellectual conversation. Or to put in other words a conversation that will challenge my brain.
I also agree with Jordan Peterson that it is just arrogance. Not on the part that I feel superior to everyone else because I don't, but arrogance in the fact that I think everyone should be talking at that level in the first place. Not everyone wants to do it or is capable of doing it. If I want these conversations then I'll have to go and find it like any other hobby.
It reminds me of something my therapist told me a long time ago. He told me that I was a smart person (and I really didn't know that at the time, but now I'm not ashamed to say it) and he told me that the problem I have is that I think that I'm average. That I'm not smart and everyone else is capable of what I'm capable of doing and he told me that it is simply not true.
So yeah. I suppose it is arrogance. Not because I think I'm better, but because I think that everyone else should be capable of it and want the same things as I want too.
Ah well. Live and learn.
He could haven spoken a lot more humbly.
the reason why his question makes you uncomfortable is that you see yourself in that question
What makes Professor Peterson unbeatable is his combination of a brilliance and humility. Listening to the Professor in not a waste of time. Millions of people including me absolutely love him.
“It’s the arrogance that brings up the block.” Yes. It is worthwhile to try to engage with all sorts of people. I get the frustration, there are times when I just really want to have an intellectual conversation and simply cannot with who is around me, been going on my whole life. But I’ve adjusted and learning how to meet people where they are is in itself not only profoundly difficult but as such very worth it. You might call it emotional intelligence. It is a path towards wisdom.
Holy shit he wrecked that guy...
Did he ever!!!! 😳😊. And did it so I respectfully, which must have really pissed the guy off.
Omg yess he totally taught him something valuable there!
He hasn't wrecked him at all. He was teaching him. It was a presentation of ideas answering the very question. You probably think he wrecked him because you don't actually have discussions on ideas, when nothing is taken personally. Note that I said "probably". I don't know you at all, I only assume it from what you wrote
@@businessentiel573 He did wrecked him. You can tell from the moment that the guy didn't even have a formulated question, he was just looking for self validation, which he didn't get from JP. Instead he just scold him with some cold truths
@@willariza00 It's interesting. You don't see a question from him, but I do. I do because I'm living the exact same thing as he does. Being hungry for intellectual stimulation can be a difficult situation and a state of suffering. It is not easy to find intellectually stimulated people, who are basically only interested in exchanging on creative ideas, and I can tell from my experience that it is painful. You are simply not fed with one of the main things that keep you alive: ideas and creative minds. It is a difficult question to sort out and I totally get his point in needing advice on that, especially when you are in front of Jordan Peterson, when the very fact of being in front of him and asking him a question represents compensation for the lack of intellectual stimulation.
6:10 Drawing from JP's disapproving gulps, I can imagine him thinking to the questioner, *"Get your act together, bucko! I've been in your shoes!"*
What is bothersome is the fact that this video probably wont be watched by those who need this advice the most. Share this!
Brojutsu - yes! You’re right.
I've noticed that the typical University educated intellectual is so siphoned, arrogant and elitist that they only perceive a certain faction of ideas and subject matter as "deep" and worth their time. I know a guy who is considered gifted and tested into a high IQ tier and he literally gets enraged at "normal" ppl and how boring /basic they are to him, an attitude that I personally find disturbing. For me, overtime I've been able to peel back the layers of what appears normal and I find most ppl and most aspects of human nature utterly fascinating not just in an analytical way but even in a way that relates to archetypes, symbolism and reoccurring patterns within history.
This attitude makes me more appreciative and more in awe of all that's around me, rather than standing in an intellectual ivory tower mocking every and anything that doesn't fit into the alleged schema of "deep and intellectually stimulating" material.
I wonder though. Are most people that talk about high iq and problems of being an intellectual. Actually even like above average smart?
I've always thought I was stupid, retarded at one point. For many years. I didn't understand people around me. Myself. Education system and why we should even do things. I never had at all any friends that lasted at all. Maybe now it's a different story, but. I had severe problems with school, always in all aspects. Then recently, I was officially diagnosed with adhd mixed.. On medication and it seems like I was asleep all this time but just woke up. I thaught myself guitar in music theory since I was I think 14?
I always had weird ways of connecting everything. And of viewing the world. I know because I tried talking to others and they never experienced that at all. And only recently about yesterday. When I was telling my friend about a stupid theory I had on art and how conciousnes grows in a cycle. I began thinking of the possibility that I might actually be smart...
I just wonder why so many people are like ahh I'm smart but I have nou smart ppl. As if stroking their ego. Not just that comment, but so many others that I have seen online.
I don't get it. Because at least me, I felt stupid always, but also felt as if I wasn't stupid and always curious and fascinated. But I guess if I am smarter then normal, that could explain why I always felt like an alien and a misfit. Even when I tried looking normal and even perhaps cute and develop social skills to mask how weird I am. Would, could be as if the literal explanation of ignorance is bliss.
Of course, you are better than them.
@@bluegiant13 who?
Novaturient,
I was talking to Ruth M. she has copied and posted that comment all over the place.
@@bluegiant13 oh I see. Danm. Also nice profile pic.
It's true though, I find it hard to have very deep conversations with people. I can get pretty deep with many people but I've only met one person in my life that I could spend hours and hours having a very deep and intellectually challenging conversation with. You can call me whatever you want but the fact is, I get bored talking about simple thing all the time. I like learning and challenging myself physically and mentally. I'm not the smartest person to walk the earth and I probably will never be. But I'm still going to learn everything I can and having these very intellectually challenging conversations is how I learn.
Now we have the internet and can find our peers fairly quickly.
Kindness has always impressed me more than intelligence.
Cleverness gives you the capacity to dominate, while wisdom shows you the folly of that.
hello i am random guy in the audience. i am too smart to have conversations with other humans. is this a problem that INTELLECTUALS SUCH AS MYSELF have? (love me)
@@attalan8732 i think you arent necessarily an intellectual just because you say you are. and maybe you have a hard time with others not because you are smarter, but because you are lacking in social skills.
@@MusicPianoChannel worthy comment , at least many people can be optimist after reading this.
@@tungtjockis l0
@@MusicPianoChannel amen!
Intellectualism is not directly correlated with a claim to intelligence. I think you made that jump too hastily. What intellectual implies is someone who is interested in things such as academic topics, world problems and literature. Not just in one topic, but looking for connections in a holistic manner and stringing different fields together. Usually this results in scholarly pursuits of very difficult and abstract topics, and understanding these of course requires intelligence. Intellectualism doesn't make you more superior, it just means you're competent in related academic fields.
You wouldn't imply when someone says he's very social that he's claiming other people are not social and therefor inferior. It's just acknowledging a field of expertise and there is nothing wrong with that, it doesn't come from cruelty or narcissism.
Second half of your comment I completely agree with. Even people who have no interest in epistemology have tremendous insights to offer. The idea that other people are boring or uninteresting is more a reflection of someone's own inability to ask the right questions and properly listen. When it comes to people there are always stones left unturned and things to discover.
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@J G That's ain't very intellectual of you
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I sort of see where he’s coming from. I felt this way too a few months ago. Not that I consider myself above average in intellect in my college, but my friends and family couldn’t care less about having conversations about abstracts topics. And I’d notice it would annoy them to talk about philosophy or theories that i found interesting. But this changed as soon as I started listening to their interests and spending less time alone and instead with friends.. it’s not their fault, there’s always people out there that would be interested, its my fault if I havn’t searched for them and instead impose it on my friends. Its like having a friend that’s a car mechanic and he’s constantly telling me about shit I have no clue about and am not interesting in knowing
It's okay guys, he watches RIck and Morty - he's legit
DnD was right, INT and WIS are two different stats.
you killed me lmao
So are STR, DEX and CON. For that matter. I know lots of very strong people who can't take a hit. I also got hired at a plumbing job because I was small and limber, and I could fit in tight spaces my macho co-workers could not, saving us hours of time and money. Everyone is useful, everyone can be a benefit.
The comment section is a perfect summation of the questionares frustration. He is so smart that he triggers insecurity in others that want to feel good about themselves by belittling him.
Very interesting. In my twenties I took a test for Mensa. They declared me in the top 2% of IQs in the nation. Then they invited me to join. Having absolutely no idea why, at that time, but I knew that I did not want to be apart of "that group." Over the years I've come to understand, without being able to articulate, what you have just explained. Many people with high IQs believe to the depths of their souls that they are superior beings. That is what I rejected. This high intellect that I supposedly have comes with deficiencies in other important areas. Deficiencies that have made life difficult when trying to fit in with "normal" people. I think it can be best summed up that..., as "smart" as I am, I'm really not all that smart.
I like to approach every person with the attitude of wanting to learn something from them. Everyone has different knowledge and experiences. To say you don’t get enough „intellectual stimulation“ from seemingly less intelligent people is just unbelievable pretentious. Most people I met who talk in the manner of this young gentleman were far from intellectual. If anything those people are almost always incredibly close minded and egocentric in their way of thinking, unable to engage in the actual sharing of creative and abstract ideas. I believe actual intellectualism is to gather wisdom from anyone, no matter how you judge their actual intelligence. Part of this is the fact that intelligence comes in many different shapes and forms and other people might be more able in areas in which you are lacking.
Well said mate. Kudos.
The line between intellect and wisdom is connected via personal experience, most often profoundly difficult experience. Humility then has the opportunity to manifest itself and arrogance recedes quite substantially.
I love the way Mr Peterson responded to this guy, at once checking his arrogance but without malice or unkindness, much like a caring father, altruistically guiding him away from pride in his own intellectual prowess.
It is obvious Dr Peterson has a grounded perspective, gained through personal experience.
I agree. There is wisdom to be gained out of everyone. You just have to find the right conversation(s)
i met someone who's intelecually impaired yet wise too. it was on tv and his name was forrest gump.
Peterson just Roasted this guy so hard.
As an intellectual man, I stand in utter delight with this description of what to beware of in my case, thank you, Professor Peterson in the regard to that honest description of what my kind of man should beware of; from the very core of my being I thank thee for this gift, though you know me not.
Are you trolling? Who the fuck calls themself an intelligent
@@biggieschlongs8983 I didn't say "an intelligent" at all; you therefore clearly don't know what you're talking about. But that's a valid way to describe someone.
No one:
Absolutely no one:
I have a very high need for intellectual stimulation
I love how I’m constantly surprised by the breadth and depth of Jordan’s discussions. From the bible to the simpsons lol awesome
"It's hard being a person with and I.Q. of 160 and being completely useless. But it happens a lot." Epic.
this reminds me of one episode in the *Doctor house* serie where one really smart person took drugs that reduces IQ intentially because he loves his simple(dumb) girlfriend just so he can live with her in peace.
This videos sums up my experience with "smart" people communities. I got into a small community of people and our goal was to get really good at maths by teaching ourselves. We would share resources with each other and compete to see who would be the best. Over time everyone got really arrogant just because they were clever they thought they were better than everyone. Makes communities toxic, you are better than everyone or you are a pleb that was there mindset.
Being smart is a gift, but to be intelligent, you need more than just a gift. Being intelligent is about when and what to be smart about, and with whom. To have this, it takes a well rounded, well developed, well educated and well socialized person a lot of introspection to adjust and to adapt.
You're confusing intelligence with wisdom. Being smart is the same thing as being intelligent: it means you possess extraordinary brain power capabilities. Being wise, on the other hand, is how you defined intelligent: it's knowing the rights and wrongs of any given situation.
What people need to understand is that both wise and brilliant intellectual people are found in all walks of life. He mentioned a carpenter- first of all, Jesus conveyed the most profound and world- changing truths with simple parables tied into common things like sheep and shepherd, farming, etc. He was able to communicate on a deeply intellectual level and impart wisdom to the learned, the wise, and little children.
As for being a carpenter, that's a challenging trade requiring great gifts in spatial visualization, economy of material use, and a lifetime of learning. I once watched my father in law build a wooden lawn chair, from my description and materials, in 15 minutes, simply by eye and deep experience, to perfection. I was in awe! That takes great intelligence.
Often the smartest or wisest people are busy doing things with their gift, and aren't interested in sitting around chatting about ethereal concepts.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, the wise and intelligent know that they don't know everything, and spend more time listening than talking.
i am very smart
I am extremely smart.
KashiwaDaisuke I am arrogant because I am relatively smart too
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There is a big difference between being smart and being educated.
Neither can you.
i too struggle with that. i am very intelectual but i have dyslexia. As practicly shown here
I just want to say that that was an excellent answer!
That question is offensive by the manner it was said but jp stayed true and listened intently and answered in a manner that does not judge the person but educate him.
That guy definitely needed that answer.
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Fair play to Jordan Peterson. This is something very many people get wrong. You can be as dumb as a rock but still be wise. Because wisdom doesn’t have to do with intelligence. Wisdom is knowing when to do something and when not. Or what to say at certain times.
Years ago I pondered this: if I had to choose between being "intellectual" vs being "wise", which would I choose? After much back-n-forth I decided that 'wisdom' is superior to 'intellect'. Why? I concluded that 'wisdom' is a product of life-long experiences and intuition based on millions of years of evolution. "Intellect", on the other hand, could be fooled by faulty logic etc.. And then, my 7-year-old chimed in with with his 2 cents worth: "intelligence speaks; wisdom listens". Apparently he'd picked it up in a cartoon which, needless to say, just blew me away!
But you could cultivate and build upon your wisdom more if you were more intelligent.
You could tell Peterson was irritated while listening to that guy try to ask a question lol
@@ChandraSedari you were that guy weren't you or are you the town's comic book guy.
I don't think so, I think he's always super-hyped when he can find a reason to ridicule someone. That's normal behavior for narcissists. Don't forget that he is an arrogant intellect of the highest (arrogance) order. I found this whole conversation ironic.
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@@jon6car hahahha
It's so amazing how Dr peterson differentiate between Being smart and being wise.
Being smart is having the ability to think on a whole new level but you don't understand other peaple around and you are stuck in your thoughts.
Being wise is to know how to communicate with peaple (and that's comes from experience and you need relate with other peaple which require being humble in the first place).
ego can be a bitch the thing that keeps us alive can ruin us too
His words just seem to flow effortlessly. Amazing!
This guy: “I’m too smart to talk to this peasants”.
JP: “Jesus Christ was a carpenter. Next question”.
Yeah but jesus was smarter than the guy asking the q
Thank God I found this video. Until a minute ago I was that guy that asked the question. Seeing this kind of behaviour coming from another person really wakes me up. Thank you lmao
That last line is pure gold.
The way he warned the guy who asked the question against intellectual arrogance is superb. It was as If saying in plain English, "do not think if you are smart that you are more virtuous or wise and do not put yourself above the working-class".
Smart is not a virtue. Arrogance is vice.
Therefore the division between the intellectual and the working class will be on you, the intellectual, who created the division by your arrogance and not the working-class people. Jordan Peterson is warning against division. Because, if you have that then there is no normal society but oligarchy. Bad guys always win.
Christ was a carpenter to show that humbleness is the key and not your intellectual capacity. He was not an intellectual or a king. Albeit his kingdom is not of this world. Think about that.
Lmao what a humble brag
"It's a problem I suffer with by being an intellectual"
Love the Jordan Peterson clips! He is a Socrates for our time!
All of these comments bashing him, I understand there is arrogance involved, but for someone very high in intellect and neuroticism and creativity it is hard. It's hard to express even when extremely extroverted. I don't look down on people, I know I'll never know everything, but sometimes it's lonely when you can't seem to find the stimulation you crave. Like the isolation of being at the bottom of a damp clammy well, trying to climb out. Listening is hard, but waiting tables for 8+ years has taught me great communication skills. To all my abstract peeps, you're not alone♥️
"There is no path way between smart and wise" - very true.
Guy: "I am a too intellect to talk to the dumbs. What do?"
Peterson: *_"I'm about to end this man's whole philosophy"_*
Freethinkers Politics/discussion when did he say that
@@moonliot468 Which person? They are both male.
@@whatisupmyfellowamericans8808 Guy
@@moonliot468 I rephrased Guy's question in a way that exemplified his intellectual superiority complex _and_ that was way funnier. It isn't a direct quote as much as it is a joke.
@@whatisupmyfellowamericans8808 a joke that was so bad it whooshed passed the entire comment section.
Yeah at one point I had this problem where I was on some ivory tower thinking I was all alone and too smart for everybody but then I figured out I just had social anxiety and didn't know how to relate to other people through my feelings, cause I was blocking them. I could not see the beauty in others and the similarity of others to myself because I was so highly identified with being "smart", which made me too stupid to connect with people with seemingly very different interests and see where their interests might converge with mine somehow
Goddam Jordan. I wish you Godspeed in your recovery. You’ve saved my life countless times. Tonight included.
Peterson is spot on with everything in this video..I've known so many incredibly intelligent people who nail every point he mentioned
The wisdom to wait a few minutes before indirectly calling out the arrogance as a big part of the siloing was so powerful
"The being is underdeveloped but the intellect is hyper activated and that makes the individual extraordinarily unbalanced..."
Tell that to Sheldon Cooper. :D
Incredible clarity.
love how mr. peterson describes what the asking person is saying as creative and abstract ideas. a way to describe the difference without starting to call a group "working class" and the other group as "intellectual class" or whatever. Seeing the difference without putting one or the other down. just like with confusing racism with the need to differentiate one another. it is not racist to see the difference in body, only when you start to put one on a higher pedestal than the other, only then you can start catcalling someone out as racist. really love how easy mr. peterson is on the ears as he is really sensible on every thought he puts out as he decides on the words he chose to use to describe his thoughts. the way he reacts is also very disciplined without building up a wall you can't come through.
I cannot express how much I relate to this. It's so hard sometimes to not come off as arrogant even when I try to catch myself.
I am willing to bet 99% of people in this comment section believe with a dead certainty that they are intellectually above average. It is called the above average effect and people tend to highly overestimate their intelligence. Obviously this is a slightly skewed sample so maybe we can assume there are a bit more above average than below average people due to the nature of the topic, but one must still not overestimate the difficulty of these subjects.
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I suffer from above average intelligence...
I often find solutions to problems the people around me do not, and sometimes I even have a hard time getting them to grasp what I am saying. Yet my solutions work when tested so I am not delusional.
Then I meet people that I recognize as smarter than me an i know I am not at the top....
Then I go to RUclips and Reddit and Facebook, and after a few comments I feel like Einstein....
funny how the world works... ;D
I experience the opposite effect. I've had official tests tell me I'm way above average, but I really don't believe them, or maybe I just don't care, because I already know that you can't get through life with just intelligence..
The only thing I overestimate is all the knowledge in the universe😏, it’s a wishful thinking strategy to give me comfort. I am afraid of my cognitive ability to learn so fast, I fear I will learn everything there is to know before i turn 8 years old...then there will be nothing left to do😔
We are all from Lake Wobegon. Of course we are all above average. But why do you think you are?
KayJay2017 Plenty to do. Have you watched every kitten video on RUclips?
Every parent out there: "my child is so creative:
All schools with progressive ideology: "we don't want to trample on children's creativity"
"everyone's creative"
That's a lie - Jordan Peterson
Love it.
Me when I realize since I’m very insecure about my intelligence this implies I must be intelligent but by acknowledging I’m intelligent that means I must be arrogant and not intelligent , but by realizing I’m not intelligent it implies I actually am, but
I think he just slapped that poor guy. Like „Maybe they‘re not as stupid as you think, and maybe it‘s just you who is boring and they are trying their hardest to find a topic to keep the conversation going on both sides.“
I do believe that it‘s a work in progress on both sides. If the conv. Is boring, then both sides failed to keep it interesting.
Not necessarily so.
More often than not, I feel that people do not understand me to the depth that would make me comfortable around them and really involved in the conversation. I'm sure there are people who may feel the same way about me. And by no means do I consider myself an intellectual.
My point is that it's not something that is worth much trying and it's certainly not worth reflecting on it and looking for someone to blame.
If you don't get along, just move on
My boyfriend is fascinated by everyone. Literally. It's amazing watching him strike up a conversation. He will keep asking questions until he finds out what the other person is passionate about. Then he asks a bunch of questions about that topic. He can engage the shyest person in the world this way. My kids love him because he has shown a genuine interest in their obscure hobbies and interests.
If you are only going to be interested in your narrow field of study, then others are usually going to find you boring.
I was gonna get high,
but then i cleaned ny room, ooooooh
No u wusn't HAHAA
I’m a big fan of Professor Peterson’s lectures and find that most of his talking points make complete sense, logically and morally. What scares me are the articles that contuously attack him and call him alt-right. If he’s the definition of alt-right, then I must be clueless of the true definition. Because it seems very muddy to me now. I noticed every journalists or political analyst that tries to use his quotes against him ends up showing the ignorance or delusion among the media that attacks him. Because EVERY quote objectively, makes complete sense to me and it just goes to show how extremely well thought every sentence is that comes out of his mouth.
I didn’t realize I was always being arrogant until I tried to find a job and failed (I’m 24, still in college). Now I’ve realized I know nothing and I treated people with no respect.
"I have a very high need for intellectual stimulation......... and stuff like that"
I think hs stuck in the middle with delusions of grandeur.
"Jordan Peterson destroys intellectual"
Peterson is a master. Every person has their own perspective, Peterson sees the perspective and helps the individuals align with reality, without appearing condescending. Gifted man
I’m similar to the person who asked the question. I don’t think Dr Peterson quite addressed the problem the individual was stating. ‘A high need for intellectual stimulation in social interactions or other domains’. In other words if an activity or interaction doesn’t stimulate the mind in an intellectual way then that activity or interaction is less appealing. This means you’re much less likely to engage. This leads or contributes to a social divide between groups of people. It’s not necessarily about arrogance, it’s just different wants and desires from interactions and engagements.
The problem was stated and when asked for clarification he posed a question of ‘what can I do about it?’. Learning or developing wisdom doesn’t seem to help. It’s like saying ‘how do I start liking a sport I’m not interested in?’ And then saying ‘learn/acquire wisdom’. One thing wisdom will tell you is ‘to get on with people and be liked and have opportunities come your way, even though you aren’t, pretend that you are engaged with people’ but that seems highly dishonest at least to one’s self, especially when your practise of intellectual engagement is to think honestly and acquire truth.
The last thing about morality is a fair point. The basis for morality is subjective so at the end of the day those who have the power to enforce their subjective perspective win. Wisdom tells you ‘respect the powerful so that you can live’, but it doesn’t tell you that the powerful are always right. The power of intellectuality is the ability to grapple with ideas the seem to apply to the real world, and with such grappling come to an understanding which can be tested, verified and then lead to informed decisions and actions. It’s not necessarily an arrogance as opposed to a competence. It’s backed up by results. And when it comes to morality, as long as we can agree on a subjective moral value, there are objective ways to reliably, effectively and efficiently reach the goal of that moral value. That relies on intellectual processes. Those who don’t have effective intellectual processes are more likely to reach the wrong conclusions.
I do agree there can be a high imbalance. Intellectual processes don’t apply in all domains (because it doesn’t form the foundation of human life, in fact it may serve the foundation as a tool but is not the foundation itself), and based on the way the world works knowing how to play the other games (like the social ones) are highly beneficial. I can see where the arrogance (and maybe the curse) of the intellect comes in where because of the power and stimulation of the intellect one struggles or refrains from relinquishing it’s dominance and therefore sacrifices the other domains, this essentially says that ‘despite my demise I will cling to the intellectual approach because I think it’s more valuable/superior and others should adopt and conform, if they don’t they’re wrong’. But it only seems arrogant because it goes against the majority and the norms of societies as if to say ‘I’m superior so obey’, but that doesn’t work. So therefore seems to lack wisdom.
Highly intelligent people don't need this type of hand-holding intellectual stimulation. The best in our societies have performed research on their own like Tesla, or researched things at everything they do like Franklin. True Geniuses seek out the stimulation that they require.
And also the dunning krugger effect
Every word in his answer is gold, every single word.
I have a high need for intellectual stimulation and I can’t stand talking to non-intellectuals because they can’t hold a conversation and run out of ideas BUT I CANT EVEN FORM A SIMPLE QUESTION!!