The Resentful Attitude of a Bitter Intellectual | Jordan Peterson
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Dr. Jordan B Peterson is a Professor of Psychology, a clinical psychologist, a public speaker and a creator of Self Authoring.
Source: • Lecture: Biblical Seri...
You can have a high intellect, but be completely Useless---it happens A LOT
It's up to your intellect to use the tools around you and strive in your environment
Jordan has used "The Comic Book Guy" from the Simpsons as an example of that. An IQ of 160 and completely useless. He's so condescending about the fact that you don't know about the Third Edition Batman or whatever. Useless...!
Um...present.🖐️😂🤣
It happened to me.
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please don't play that obnoxiously loud music at the end of such a great video. Softer music much more suiting for a Peterson lecture
I think it fits the lecture and the music is epic, but everyone has their own cupotea.
@ Carl, I don't know why your comment made me lol.
XymXir Yes, he is putting in the work, and we appreciate that. So in his work we can then criticize his decision to take a soft tone speaking lecture and then immediately blast some crap music the second it ends. What a dope. And I am a paying customer at this point since he monetized his work of adding crap music at the end.
XymXir LOL. You’ve never voiced a complaint....very mighty of you. Yet you go on sentence after sentence complaining about my redundant comment. This is the Internet man. Get with the times.
Just get out
It's really interesting how appropriate and insightful what JP says in this video is for improving the lives of resentful, arrogant intellectuals.
Yet the comments section is filled with resentful, arrogant intellectuals who can't see past him talking about religion and feel more intelligent for him because of it. Dummies.
hes "just" an intelectual tho
Man Sack Attack. You really sound like an arrogant angry intell... Nope couldn't do it
Problem with very high iq individuals is that after the environment finds out about your intellect, (which usually happens when we are kids) EVERYONE will create and have these extremely high 'expectations' of you. If you pass your tests with a 10/10: oh well its to be expected by a gifted person but when you fail a test, you are lazy/unwilling etc. A zero sum game.
This puts most in an enormous amount of stress during EVERY INTELLECTUAL TASK which results in extreme perfectionism. Now imagine growing up and NEVER meeting (your own) expectations; Always failing. =====> Another WASTED talent.
Straight White Male indeed It comes from the inability to connect the idea of perfect with your own actions in a way that makes you act it out.
Straight White Male or in other words you get told wow you're smart wow you're smart. Not wow you DID A GOOD JOB. So your goodness becomes built in to your identity. It's not something you have to act out individually anymore.
If you want to peel the onion back a little... A high IQ person is usually treated with resentment with those they come in contact with because high IQ's can look through someone's B.S., a groups b.s., a systems b.s., our very existence as b.s. We look for someone with answers that will comfort, high IQ's don't have comforting answers, they have truth and the truth is a heavy burden. Furthermore, in modern times many high IQ's have sold in their morality and concluded there's a higher reward in being deceptive to get what you want. Some like Mr. Peterson still use their higher field of play for the good of the group, but this side of the group is dwindling. At the end of the day high IQ's just want some kind of peaceful payoff for a mind that just won't stop collecting input. Eventually they burn out and their biggest fear is felt, it was never enough, all of the heavy burning of the midnight oil was never enough.
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I fail at everything
Jay Hemingway Yes yes yes! Everywhere I go I see BS, and I _can't help it._ I don't go into a system/group/conversation with a cynical attitude but people still become angry with me. I used to be outgoing, but have learned to be flat and neutral. Let's face it: Even if there is a great system in place somewhere, someone will always inset some nonsense into it. I have suffered this all my life, especially with employers who organize teams based on anything other than talent, or who demand more teamwork than personal initiative from their subordinates. It comes from not recognizing hard facts about reality. For instance, only 20% of your employees are doing 50% of the work. Those employees should be isolated and protected from the others, in order to maximize their productivity. That's a fact. But it's a very ugly fact, _especially_ when you consider that NEARLY ALL your black employees will fall into the 80%.
Here's another cold fact: We have to have a nuclear war with North Korea. There is no alternative, and a nuclear holocaust in NK is far more merciful than allowing that regime to continue existing. Almost everyone wants to shut their eyes to how much of a living hell NK is, and basically everyone is calling for peaceful reunification-a magical unicorn. The optimists have been in charge for a very long time, but if they were going to save the world I think they would have done it by now.
I'm thankful for Jordan Peterson.
This is a very good reminder to all high intellects... The fact that having high intellect is just a facet of one's abilities which are equally the same as having strong physique, musically inclined, highly agreeable, etc, etc... and like any abilities, if used negatively will yield negative effects, vice versa. Thanks for the enlightening video :)
Having high intellect is something you worked on
ok incel
LOL at the music at the end.
"slice of hell.."
*abrupt anime intro music plays loudly*
the music at the end blows....wtf
0:35 i agree. TBH our dreams are like we get to watch tv from an alternate reality and since we are the only ones who saw it, we dont have to tell others we took it from that. I suck at thinking of new ideas, but have found taking ideas from dreams to work well.
our dreams are a great way to chop up our observations, and sometimes mush them together in a new and interesting way.
Very interesting lecture. Disliked the video because of the horrible, much too loud music in the end.
Every kid needs to listen to Jordan, he is the greatest educator on the planet.
Hope not.
Good video, but what is up with that terrible loud ending?
Stop protesting. Rescue feral kittens. Volunteer at animal shelters. Foster homeless pets and seek homes. Spend your own discretionary money and your free time on it. Or choose something like that. Too many people have the self absorbed hobby of politics and social cause protesting and "advocating" and sounding off. It's useless and utterly self serving. Do something. Not something that is a fun ego hobby.
Try and "pass" your luck on, do something little for someone who will never find out you did it.
most of the protesters I know work as caregivers for the disabled or volunteer with food not bombs or plant trees or whatever, their whole lives are about finding new ways to improve the world around them
the biggest joke is teens who've never yet worked or supported themselves going out from their parent's home to protest for world change.
protesting is a protected form of free expression that has continually proven as an effective tool of change, it is not "useless and utterly self serving"
that generally happens in ultra liberal mega cities. the environment creates that persona. its very hard to stay focused on what you want.
He made a lot of great points. If you think you deserve more then do better, don't get angry at the people that are above you because you feel as if you are smarter. It's better to work hard so that you can get to that level or even higher 🤷🏽♀️
I fucking DIED at the end with with the music and pictures of random anime characters with Jordan's picture.
I hate with all my heart that last part where the RUclipsR placed his song, please, lower the volume of that thing... that's the only thing that keeps me from following this chanel
What if you have no friends or family or community ?.....and making your life better involves trying to get friends or family ?.....everything now is about the internet / online world. I want " reality ".....family, friends, community but I feel like im fighting against people's desire now to live online
I feel the same. I'm trying to learn about permaculture, something positive and constructive. Investment in the future of humanity and one of the most stress free long term projects. Good ole nature.
I think everyone in the world should hear this.
The world would become 10% better if that happens.
What's with the tunes and toons?
"What hing could i let go of that's impeding my progress, that if i let go of would make my life better, my family's life better, my culture's life better, my BEING better!?"
Watching Jordan Pete vids
Jo Lil Paradox.
Jordan's friend is exactly like me.. holy fuck.
Go get'em Monty!
Monty it’s hardly a uncommon state for people to find themselves as they get older
me too : (
Everytime his mic moves I imagine a call of duty hit marker lol
I'm really sorry that you're having to go through all this again. I am grateful to you for all you do for us all and hope this will propel you onto greater things as you go forward. Life throws us some curveballs but I see them as opportunities for growth, and God knows we need some sensible voices in the darkness and I think you're one of them. Thank you
"You" individually are more complicated than we think. The conscious self is but one part of a greater whole that is the individual and our job within the individual is to navigate and interact with the outside world. Who gives us our dreams? "We" do, but it's not the conscious self, it's another aspect of us just as there are others that give "us" our motivations, interests and dislikes, but they are not separate individuals, just separate parts of the greater whole. This is all my, but it would explain where other personalities come from in people with multiple personalities - the conscious self is failing badly enough for another aspect of an individual to arise out of the unconscious and take the reins of the body to do what the conscious self is unwilling or unable to do, but the event prevents them from returning back into the "primordial sea" of unconsciousness.
TLDR: There is more to you than "you", the one looking out of your eyes as you read this, but that doesn't mean you're a "ghost in the shell", just part of greater whole that includes not just ones mind but ones entire body that stands in contrast with the Gnostic outlook of many moderns that don't see the forest from the tree of the conscious.
6 mins in is absolutely brilliant
Regarding dreams, I am always amazed by how much nuance and sophistication there is in them. So much mature awareness and astute observation can be revealed in a dream. The complexities of relating to certain people, how they relate to each other, the sensitivity or delicacy of interactions that have wider implications on they way they hit other people, what each of these characters represent in term of the varying perspectives of a decision you have made, or the company you keep.
The video that got me started watching JP
These bitter Intellectuals are fond of bragging about themselves. I've noticed that when others are confronted by that, they tend to admit to the intellectuals success and insights very begrudgingly. Those times they are wrong everyone comes running to condemn loudly. The intellectual becomes increasingly bitter. This downward cycle to hell is thus self created.
That picture to me communicates the idea that sacred sacrifice flows naturally from the will of God. It happens almost of it's own accord. When man's guilt/greed/ego inspires him to make his own sacrifice it fails miserably; it goes against the divine flow. Condemned to fail.
Oof! That music tho! Not complimentary toward this kind of content is how I can best describe the ear rape that is your musical outro.
And to totally dispel the notion that most cognitively different (Gifted included) people have trouble with meaningful relationships and wisdom I usually mention that wisdom is experiential. I think highly intelligent people have a greater capacity for wisdom due to high openness and a thirst for knowledge. I’ve thrown myself into positions where I had to learn. And humility is paramount. Hubris and misanthropy are prevalent in high IQ communities in which some members are dejected and overcompensating for lack of social skills. However, I don’t think that this speaks to the majority of cognitively different people.
I was a cashier and I knew I deserved better so I made myself better. Bitterness won’t move you up 🤣
I don’t particularly agree with his usage of the word “useless”. Does he mean their ability to function? High IQ individuals (Exceptionally-Profoundly Gifted) are abnormalities in the sense that they are statistically rare. So because of this education, health care, relationships, and professions are poorly equipped to handle individuals with distinct mental wiring like this. Most high IQ people aren’t intellectuals, they merely possess a remarkable processing speed. So this could present itself in a Harvard Professor of English Literature or a twenty year old video game nerd in his moms basement. The difference is early intervention. If the professor was given chances to utilize their intellect and socialize amongst likeminded people they would have an advantage. And if the video game nerd was not given those chances at an early age they will grow up detached, unstimulated, and isolated. High Intelligence can be an impediment, most people see the advantageous nature of it and totally overlook how a more hyperactive mind/body could pose hardship in ones life.
Separate yourself from the 'arrogance' THAT 'such a job' is beneath YOU
What if you don't want to make "it better"? I find that looking at humans as livestock calms the urges of addiction
An intellectual will break out protractors, calculators, and fine measurement devices, a dumb carpenter will make a jig and use story poles and just wing it until it works. Thats the difference. Matter of fact vs theories and information
Jordan likes to bring up this "Yun" or "Yung" fellow a lot. I can't tell how to spell the name. Could someone clarify? I'd like to look for his works. Thanks!
Sir Beric Dondarrion, Mofuckin' Lightning Lord Carl Jung
Carter Wills thank you m'lord
it's "Jung" mate!
Why was Cain’s sacrifice rejected, he missed the fundamental symbolism. It represents Christ’s future sacrifice for our sins - the shedding of his blood and his death to atone for our sins. Christ is called the lamb of God for this reason. Sacrificing fruit and veggies misses the point. Cain was too proud and insisted that God should just accept the sacrifice of what he has rather than forcing him to acquire a lamb to sacrifice from his hated brother. He refused to do what God commanded and eventually killed his brother out of spite and thinking he could get ahead.
or maybe it's just because he didn't took the better of the "vegetables", only some, and the brother took what was the most valuable of what he had.
If the story was inverse, and Caim taked the better and most valuable of what he had produced, and Abel just "some" sheep, not the most valuable that he had, maybe Abel would have his sacrifice rejected.
God doesn't expect the people to read His mind [and He doesn't spoke to the two brothers what would praise Him as a sacrifice before, it would be kinda injust to demand that], but God expect people to do the better they can do, and *that* was emphasized in the text, not *what* was offered but *how* it was made.
[sorry about my poor english, it's not my native language]
@kacangbumbu987
As I understand it Cain and Abel were commanded to sacrifice a lamb without blemish. Cain failed to follow the commandment. What I was addressing is why God wanted them to sacrifice a lamb. Whether Cain understood the reason or not God had a reason for what he commanded. Cains issue was not obeying the commandment. Cains pride is what got him into trouble.
@kacangbumbu987
If sacrificing the lamb was not done before the first Passover what was Abraham up to when he was practicing blood sacrifice. What was the significance of God commanding Abraham to sacrifice Isaac in place of a lamb. This was all before Jacob/Israel was even born.
Sacrificing a lamb in similitude of the eventual sacrifice of the Lamb of God had to have known before. The Bible may not say it but even Adam knew that God had prepared a sacrifice, namely his only begotten son, to atone for not only Adams transgression but for each of ours as well.
I get the idea that people think that Adam and Eve buggered up all of Gods plans and God then had to figure out a plan B. God knew what was going to happen and had prepared for it from the start.
@kacangbumbu987
I’m well aware of the whole story. Before Abraham could go through with what was commanded an angel appeared and stopped him. God accepted that he was willing to do as commanded. You’re right it was a test but it was also symbolic. As for any further discussion on this I’m done. I’ve clearly triggered you into an abusive rant which will serve no purpose. So cheers and try to recover and have a nice day.
The music at the end...seriously?
Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not: nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent.
eh, I think talent is rarer than you think...exceptional abilities in particular areas are rare. Hard work matters too. But if you want to be exceptional at something, hard work is not enough. Not everyone can be a genius painter, chess player, musician, physicist or anything at all. If you wanted to be genius bricklayer, you'd need 100 arms and a steam-powered heart. Think about it. Exceptional abilities requires exceptional talent. Period. By definition.
Alexander Mills
Yeah that's not what I mean. Talent doesn't equal genius. Genius is by definition rare. Talented men change the world everyday. But I've met 100x more smart and talented men taken by drugs, alcohol, or any other personal pitfall in life than I have actually met untalented or incompetent people.
Jordan isn't speaking of intellectuals here as Genius. Just a person that prefers thinking and discussing ideas instead of events or gossip or anything else.
And your response is normally a response given by someone who thinks they are genius, special, talented or whatever. Little do you know that most humans have the capability, if groomed properly, to make life saving, important decisions everyday.
If you don't....you either live around a bunch of snowflakes, live in Hawaii, or are such an arrogant and self-centered SOB to actually believe that you're talent is special.
I give thanks for Jordan Peterson. Later bro
slappy happy I have some what of a talent. I can draw but I'm by no means at all a genius. And the fact that I can draw somewhat doesn't mean I would ever be successful with it. Even though it will be nice if I could be successful, just thinking that wouldn't make.it so.
slappy happy it's weird because u have a hope that u could sell art work. Other people can sell their art work why can't I? Alot of factors of why I can't sell my art work. It could be that I'm probably not drawing what people prefer, it could be I'm not good enough of an artist..t sell my art work and their could be people out there that know about my art work and have specifically said to people don't buy her art work. Not saying that is what is going. On there could be a lot.of reasons of why I can't sell my art work.
slappy happy but it could also be people think I need to get a normal job. Again that is their opinion.
I think the best translation is shown in John Steinbeck's East of Eden, as shown to Samuel by Lee the Chinese cook.
I tghink dreams come from Dopamine and the need to feel like your doing somthing that is good which we used in evulution so we would be constantly tryimng to survive.
Also i dont like how this supports the idea of a grand lie that will humanity better. I think humans should develeop their own meaning to life that fits good morals where the gods come from ancient places and some of the morals they had were pretty bad. I agree the miserable intellectual is stupid as they are using thee fact that life doesnt contain a meaning in itself to justify being being lazy or causing harm in a way they know will damage humans or animals that if they were inteelligent they would know why does life need meaning as living things even if meaningless still exeriounce pain and all these other emotions that we should base partly base a lot of our morals around and have mostly.
Love the music at the end
Wow what a man. I admire him.
Anyone know what lecture or event is this from? Or how to find the full lecture?
Yes! It’s linked in the bio haha
No one dreams something they don't know
What song is that in the end?
What is better or worse?
Define yourself
Why????
Beautiful!
Do we have more videos about this segment??🙏
absolutely perfect allegory
Does anyone know who's the artist who made that painting?
I enjoy being retired most of all.
I was insanely efficient in math and sciences but never did my homework so in 8th grade I didnt get a good enough grade in math to stay in my honors class (Ace the test but F the assignments so averaged a C) and from then on I stopped caring about school because it was way too easy and unappealing and now at 21 I'm useless.
My agreement with the comment rejecting the loud music.
Good Country People by Flannery O’Connor
Change the music at the end!!
the only jobs that are beneath people are useless jobs that don't ad any value except keeping a person busy.
the kind of jobs that are created out of pity, the kind you see created for handicapped people
I enjoyed being a cashier.
I don't get how he believes in free will.
The music at the end is too loud. however nice video have a nice day
please ManOfCreation, JP fans dont enjoy such loud music at the end of a lecture. Thanks
Agreed what's with all that anime shit
Brilliant
"....you can turn it into a nice little slice of hell" (Abruptly Ends) What the......?
if you dont come up with "your thoughts" then what are "you"? is there "you" and "me"?
"resentful and bitter" . if we add "envious" to that , that can summarize Karl Marx effectively.
The ending music sux on all these awesome intellectual talks... =(
How can we know things that we don't know? I like the Alien theory that we were created and knowledge was locked out of our minds, but, sometimes, we can retrieve it. A few rare people are hotwired to do great maths (Rain Man) - evidence of an Alien connection? How could it possibly be evolution? It is too rapid an advancement.
This video hurt
Ugh that music. It’s a spoken word lecture. Don’t end it with an oversaturated musical piece. The juxtaposition is brutal.
What's song at the end?
I score pretty high on psychometric tests, have four degrees (including a PhD), and - I have to tell you - he's right! Wisdom and IQ are two different things. Misunderstand that - oh the irony - and it'll hurt more than you think.
Probably living with you brought out his shortcomings all the more. He may have done better living in a cabin in the woods somewhere, truthfully.
David Wise I love Dr. Jordan Peterson and the way he conveys what he thinks. However he is all about though love. He is way too logical for me. My husband logical and smart but boy, he is just too logical and practical. Sometimes I just need to be told that everything will be alright no matter what.
Agreed
its magic! oh wait, its not. it science and reason. choice is a result. you always have a choice to better yourself and get out of misery, but, it takes sacrifice and patience of time. living in nyc is complete misery. but if you get an education, get a degree, get a good job, work smarter not harder, then you can obtain enough wealth from your job and create side hustles to get out of nyc hell. you have to be focused. there will be roadblocks, but, the route is reasonable and attainable for the most part.
I'm pretty sure that God is accepting the sacrifice in the picture.
5 anime characters and Jordan Peterson's face
Dislike because of the loud obnoxious music at the end
but no one can understand it
What an obnoxious outro to a video
7:26
God helping spark that brick bong made my day
That dumb music at the end is why I will never watch another video from the channel.
you commenting is the reason why he keeps putting it in. comments are worth a lot in the RUclips algorithm
8:20
im a exception tho
also, "everything in the human mind is so complex, you don't understand it, but i do. - psychologists
J P ,on that dark stage, resembles a saint wrestling with his God, or rather his God’s emissary, in a cave.❤️
this person has lost his mind and is now hellbound
He didn't help his friend at all .
The idea that we should be constantly thankful that things are not worse is ludicrous. If things are constantly getting worse and you show thankfulness, you are a masochist of the highest degree. Notably, Mr. Peterson does not specify a life of misfortune here, but this serves the same effect to detract from this statement as if he had. Things can always be worse. You should not thank the hooded torturer for sparing you the hot iron rod and granting you the amputated pinky toe, because tomorrow you'll be thanking him for granting you the hot iron rod and sparing you the genital acid-bath.
The man on the right, who works harder to earn an equal reward, has nothing and no-one to be thankful toward but himself. He has sacrificed far beyond his counterpart on the left, who truly has sacrificed little more than laying the pieces out for someone else to do the work. No argument can even be given against the man who doesn't work well with those who detract from his experience on Earth. He is justified in his indignation against those who have shown him nothing but hardship. The blame of the misery here is placed on the miserable, a simple solution that applies on occasion but is ultimately inadequate.
What can you afford to sacrifice when your breath is at it's limit lighting the sacrificial fire that is symbolic of your contribution to the world around you? What can you let go of when your resources are stretched beyond their limits and assistance is rarely offered, and most often in a form ignorant to your needs? How can you accept help, when it commonly impedes your progress while rarely being offered at all?
The solution is only spoken of here in metaphor. The proposed problem assumes that all the variables of an individual's life obey the principles set forth by this narrow universe. The community surrounding an individual does not, in fact, always have something of significant value to offer said individual, despite numerous, sincere attempts to alter oneself to function in that community.
If you are secure in yourself, and have a good moral compass you do not need a "god", if you feel weak, it is acceptable to use religion to teach you the way, but be very careful which religion you choose.
Yeah, you don't need religion. By the sounds of it you're self-righteous enough to worship yourself.
Don't do this whole 'religion is for weak/dumb people' shtick, dude. There's nothing original, truthful or useful about it. If you had been paying attention to Jordan you'd know it's a terrible thing to consider yourself as having a 'secure, good moral compass'.
"Dude" - I *know* that I could kill someone if they annoy me enough, however I *choose* to remove myself from that type of person. Some people do terrible things, I have the ability MOST of the time to see (if not understand) why people do what they do. I have not committed any crimes other than speeding (got a ticket, paid and did course) and a few parking fines when I was late/did not realise, so Yes I AM fine and dandy thank you.
Religion *is* for people who are afraid of the dark and death. When you die, that is it the end.
It's rational to be afraid of death and darkness. Some of the cogs aren't cranking properly if you're not.
@Emanuel - great logical fallacy you have there. I never said life had a low value or that I had no guilt, I said that when you die that is the end. Which would imply [to more intelligent readers] that you need to make the most of this life as it is the only one you will be getting.
Nice try though.
@Matthew - I never said that it was irrational to be afraid of death or the dark, I implied that turning to some invisible floaty dude in the sky that will "give you eternal life" if you follow his bullshit is irrational. Nice logical fallacy though.
A lot of introduction. But, didn't go anywhere.
Proffessor kermit
Ya boi zack
Love the video who gives a s*** about the music
Peterson's (constant) insertion of religion into what seems to be a genuine effort to understand, complicates the issue unnecessarily. His observations and experiences in evaluating human psychology are very interesting, but trying to solve the issues with ancient discredited dogmas cannot be a path to clear understanding. He loses me every single time he starts pumping out the bible verses. xD Maybe he should sacrifice a goat too.
Looks to me like JP is another case of extreme cognitive dissonance.
Ditch the dogma JP. It's not helping anyone.
I think the idea is that religion is just an expression of evolved, underlying archetypes that have led to survival. The ritual is the symbol and the specific symbol doesn't matter all that much. What matters is the referent, which is the unconscious experience that is made explicit through the symbols.
I think JPs whole point of reinterpretating the bible stories again, is that people who lived in those times when these stories were made, were not as stupid as we believe they were, and that they might know something about us as a species, that we today, dont know, or rather, what we have forgotten along the way of technological progress
After all Marshall himself said it, medium is the message!
Uh, the series of talks is called the Psychological Significance of the Bible. It wouldn't be that if he doesn't talk about the Bible.
Ham Sarris I don't see survival as an end game. It's just the reason why we are here. You can take that and do whatever you want with it. E.g. The "tree of life" symbolism might be hard coded into us because it was how our ancestors stayed alive in the savanna. I'm glad they did, but I understand why some might not be glad for it.
Cool hat this is a series in which he uses religion as a way of representing the topic.
hes pretty good at psychology but the nonsense is bs.
god
"God says...." No Mr. Peterson. Some >>people
'gods' have been around since the beginning of time, invented by mankind of which you are ~ spirit vs intellect will always be with us until we understand the true essence of the deepest creation of energy
Cool hat < talk less, listen more... absorb, contemplate.... then maby, just maby, you will have an opinion worth hearing...
@Howard - Maybe, just maybe...
Cool hat calm the fedora there buddy he is speaking from a point of view of someone from antiquity not from himself.
+Gloria Wagener Define "spirit".
Aka what Peterson turned into