So did I, only longer. I never knew how to spot or control a 94/95 mph fastball. Back when I was in college, the advice was. . "just REAR back and THROW that heater, son." Sure, shit. The most frustration I've ever known in life.
Loved it when he says that’s not it, try again and that’s not it, again that’s not it. That’s a feeling that takes a lot of time to get and be able to repeat it.
@@clb3728 the last year, I have been thinking that the mental game is far more important than the physical game. As a coach, I seen more progress teaching fundamentals while being in the mental mentality/ flow state than doing it the hard way . The hard way being push drill after drill.
Short arming the ball-they used to say that’s how you hurt yourself. Apparently not! If it’s more efficient mechanically then you’re less likely to hurt yourself. As a musician I can see how it applies to what I do-what’s best mechanically may not look the best, the most graceful.
In disc golf the amount of reach-back needed and comfortable with throwing is a big deal. I think too often in peer teaching a needless very long reach is pushed to the point of losing smooth reproducibility.
Because most the power comes from legs and core strenght in pitching, very little from the arm . arm movement style makes less difference unless the guy is a drastic submarine pitcher
@@MrFlippin24catchers use all arm. The majority of your speed comes from the arm and upper torso. The pelvis goes then the lower body and then the arms.
I shorty armed the ball until my HS coach wouldn't allow it. Never had arm soreness while short arming. Contact got tendonitis and issues after using my whole arm. hitter had a arm time picking up the ball coming from my head. Harder to see
I think I subconsciously short armed it while pitching. My arm was almost never sore the day after. I think I picked that up from being a shortstop when I wasn't pitching. I consciously worked on short arming it when playing shortstop. Probably affected my pitching mechanics without me realizing it.
Does the podcast address effectiveness of this change? Because I see a 2022 ERA of 6.08 and 23 walks in 37 innings. WHIP is up, HR per 9 is up, and the only improvement is K's per 9. So short arming may have resulted in less effectiveness despite better velo
@@CADClicker ofc, i agree with the short arm path, its more consistent/healthier and simpler. Im just saying its not as simple as “just shortening up” when throwing 😅 its countless reps of drills…. but obviously we dont move like joe kelly, as he is an elite athlete.
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The way Joe terms certain mechanical cues is fascinating. Nothing scientific just simple concepts that make sense to him.
Totally agree!
Totally agree. I think the cues are his mental feeling to did this feel right. Is that my trigger etc… really great interview
@@PitchingNinjaVideos Totally agreeing with nonsense. Sounds familiar on Pitching Numb-ja. Dead from the neck up.
I needed Joe as my college pitching coach 25 years ago!
So did I, only longer. I never knew how to spot or control a 94/95 mph fastball. Back when I was in college, the advice was. . "just REAR back and THROW that heater, son." Sure, shit. The most frustration I've ever known in life.
Loved it when he says that’s not it, try again and that’s not it, again that’s not it. That’s a feeling that takes a lot of time to get and be able to repeat it.
I think the most important takeaway is that he spent so much time thinking about his mechanics and the feel .
You just made such a wise statement. Actions are shaped by our thoughts.
@@clb3728 the last year, I have been thinking that the mental game is far more important than the physical game. As a coach, I seen more progress teaching fundamentals while being in the mental mentality/ flow state than doing it the hard way . The hard way being push drill after drill.
Short arming the ball-they used to say that’s how you hurt yourself. Apparently not! If it’s more efficient mechanically then you’re less likely to hurt yourself. As a musician I can see how it applies to what I do-what’s best mechanically may not look the best, the most graceful.
In disc golf the amount of reach-back needed and comfortable with throwing is a big deal. I think too often in peer teaching a needless very long reach is pushed to the point of losing smooth reproducibility.
Because most the power comes from legs and core strenght in pitching, very little from the arm . arm movement style makes less difference unless the guy is a drastic submarine pitcher
@@MrFlippin24catchers use all arm. The majority of your speed comes from the arm and upper torso. The pelvis goes then the lower body and then the arms.
Do you have any idea on when or if this whole interview will be uploaded somewhere? These are great as filler content while working.
Here it is in podcast format if you wanna check it out! podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pitching-ninja-show/id1606429794
I shorty armed the ball until my HS coach wouldn't allow it. Never had arm soreness while short arming. Contact got tendonitis and issues after using my whole arm. hitter had a arm time picking up the ball coming from my head. Harder to see
I think I subconsciously short armed it while pitching. My arm was almost never sore the day after. I think I picked that up from being a shortstop when I wasn't pitching. I consciously worked on short arming it when playing shortstop. Probably affected my pitching mechanics without me realizing it.
Damn, looks like Joe linked up with Belli as soon as he made it into Chicago 🤣🚬
No one else notices how fucking huge the pupils are of the pitcher is? He is spitting big facts but dam what colors are his eyes?? Frreal
Really interesting
Find this stuff incredibly interesting
its crazy how his fastball gets changeup spin '😭😭
This is really interesting
Am I wrong to say that's not short arming the ball. It's short pathway, but when his front for lands his arm is at a 90degree like it should be.????
Does the podcast address effectiveness of this change? Because I see a 2022 ERA of 6.08 and 23 walks in 37 innings. WHIP is up, HR per 9 is up, and the only improvement is K's per 9. So short arming may have resulted in less effectiveness despite better velo
That would have to do more with pitch sequencing and execution.
Ivan Rodriguez and Billy Wagner threw the ball as hard as anyone ive seen, Billy Wagner claims he was a Dan Marino fan... fax!!!
Joe is the most boring epic player of all time
Look at those blood shot eyes... looks like the guy's been smoking
dont try this at home. Joe kelly is an ELITE athlete. it will not be the same for a regular player
Plenty of guy have proven short arming is a viable path
@@CADClicker ofc, i agree with the short arm path, its more consistent/healthier and simpler. Im just saying its not as simple as “just shortening up” when throwing 😅 its countless reps of drills…. but obviously we dont move like joe kelly, as he is an elite athlete.
he is far from elite lol
@@gamingonwheels2502 if you cant comprehend that he is an elite ATHLETE we are done here.
he is such a child lol