RC JET CRASH Disaster - The Trying Tale
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- #crash #thelightersideofrc #rcjets It's hard to deal with an Airplane Crash. Especially when it's on the 2nd flight. Here is the Demise of the Hispano Aviation Bull RC Jet Crash Disaster. Thanks for watching!
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Part of the hobby but OUCH! It still hurts! Don't worry, I'm good! It happened a few weeks ago so i'm over it!
I think the next worst thing after that kind of crash is wondering if you could have saved it if you did xxxx.
Sorry to see this Jonathan. Any news from the telemetry data on throttle response?
strong jet, i know a few other brands where it would not fair as well. new fuse and away we go again. Its only money!
Exactly!
So sorry Jon, I think all of us felt your frustration/pain. Really hurts us all to see a beautiful plane go in especially knowing the time put into it. I would be interested to hear if you could figure out what went wrong, as many times we never know for sure. Thank you for sharing it all!
Thanks! I'll start digging into it hopefully soon and if I find a conclusion I will share it.
So many frustrating emotions when you loose a plane caused by mechanical issues. I recently lost my 2.2m viper due to my right flap servo failing so I can empathize. I look forward to a video from you explaining what happen. This is what I love about our hobby, we all learn from sharing information be it good or bad.
Love your channel.
Cheers, from Houston, Texas
Thanks Rudy! your absolutely right! Gut wrenching for sure. Parts have been pulled from fuse so will start diving in soon.
I feel your pain, I lost one this weekend myself. I do appreciate that you share the ups and downs in the hobby.
Sorry Bryan. Yea if your flying them it happens. Easy to just sweep it under the rug and not share but better to learn from it myself and others.
Wow, so sad, we've all had those baffling type losses. You're taking it well and I know you'll move on and continue enjoying this great hobby.
Thanks! Onward and Upward!
Oh, that hurts! It’s hard to watch the crashes once we’ve seen what goes into the build. Best of luck with the repairs.
Thanks Gryf.
I so sorry for that, looks like you where happy with the Bull Mø1, the model had beautiful presence in the air.
thanks. Yea it's flies like a dream! I was having ton's of fun on the second flight! I would like to replace it as it's a keeper for sure!
I’ve crashed a few planes, never a nice feeling. But I am happy that with a new fuselage, you will get her back flying! Will be on the look out for your dissemination of what happened. Sometimes stuff just fails, and in complex machines, anything can lead to a loss.
Thanks. Yea it happens! Just takes one little thing at the wrong time and OUCH!
That sucks man. It was flying so nice. Sometimes you eat the bar and sometimes the bar eats you. I always look at the Brightside that I get to buy a new airplane now. all part of the journey. thanks for sharing.
Yea stings for sure! Onward and upward!
You learned something from this incident that will never happen to you again. Good luck and happy landings.
Onward and upward!
Very unforgiving hobby. Only way to get over the pain is to fly again! Thanks for sharing. Cheers
You got that right! Right after this my friend let me do a flight on his boomerang elan and it was great!!!
It’s all part of it. Hope you’re having a great weekend nonetheless Johnathan. 😊👍🇬🇧
Exactly! onward and upward!
Total bummer, no matter how much you spend on this hobby things go wrong. Thanks for sharing. I will be sticking to electrics, can't handle that kind of lost.
Thanks Ricky!
That was serious Ouch! And it was flying so well. Hopefully you will be able to recover it.
OUCH for sure!
Had that horrible feeling in the pit of my stomach watch that definitely The Heavier Side of RC 😢
Yea. This one was the darker side of RC!
Sorry to see this Jon!! Don't let it discourage you!!
Thanks Gavin.
So sorry Jonathan, hope you find what went wrong, your right, frustrating 😢
Thanks Kelly. I'll start digging soon.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! I'm so sorry, Jon. It was flying like a champ too. I hope you'll be able to save her. UGH!!!!!
Thanks Tom. I was enjoying the 2nd flight! SO FUN!
I like the laugh. Cause that’s all you can at that point. Great video.
LOL. Exactally!
Major bummer . . . most of us know the feeling . . . . the feeling you don't wanna feel . . . . Heads up, evaluate, analyse, rebuild, remaiden, learn, forget, move on . . . . to other many happy landings
Thanks! Onward and upward.
So sorry. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Edgardo.
That is disheartening, fortunately looks reparable, Cheers Jonathan!
Thanks Carlos.
Ouch, sorry to see this. I had a similar scenario with my first Super Scorpion where the turbine lost power, dropped below idle, became unresponsive, did not failsafe but would not spool. I never really knew what happened but put it down to some kind of fuel restriction or cavitation. Turbine error message was Low RPM just like for air bubbles but the fuel system and air trap were tested after and seemed to be totally perfect. It's easy to second guess what should have been done - at the time it is difficult to judge what to do. Also VERY IMPORTANT to point out this happened a week before the current Alberta-Wide fire ban was in effect (May 5th is when the ban started.)
Hey Chris. Yea it's a tough one for sure. It's been sitting in a pile for a few weeks now. Haven't had the desire to dig into it yet but will probably do so soon. After having some time to think about it I have an idea what it was but hopefully can confirm. Unfortunately in these situations you often only have seconds to decide what to do. Yea that's the thing about video's. i'm usually 2 to 3 weeks ahead on video recordings. Often guys will give advice on something during a build and it's a great idea but the plane is already complete and we have moved onto the next project😂
Im so sorry to see this Jon! Ill be anxious to know the after flight report to know what happened. The stall from lack of power was obvious, but what caused the power loss? Im sure you will run it down. Ouch indeed my friend. 😢
Thanks David. Yea I'll start digging into it and see.
I suppose there is a lot of wisdom in sticking to a long, drawn out final approach. I've been burnt a few times myself on low altitude, low speed turnback with flaps for a short final. I feel your pain.
Thanks Craig. Yea it was pretty much worst case location.
Dang man thats too bad. At least we get to see you fix it.
Thanks! Yea it's an ouch for sure.
Thanks for sharing. I think this is educational for all of us. Was your UAT still almost full after the crash? I wonder if there was an issue with the fuel system. These issues usually result in flame out but could in theory lead to what you experienced. I had my share of flame outs and now run the turbine on the ground with fuel around 30% and move the plane so the main clunk skip fuel to verify that the UAT is refilling itself in these conditions.
I hope you get this beautiful plane rebuilt quickly. I think we have all been there. Go fly something else asap!
Thanks Arnaud. Yes UAT was full. I'll start digging into it soon.
A flying buddy of mine had this exact same thing happen to his swiwin 190. He was able to get plane back safe. Cycled power and it worked normally again and 3 flights later same thing again, with minimal damage. Sent motor back to get checked, but never heard what the resolution was. He checked his radio and had no fades or holds.
I have a suspicion what it was but will start digging into it soon and hopefully find out.
Hi Jon,
Mate , really gutted for you !!
Really hope you find the cause , I hate it when you don't !!
Chin up
Cheers
Phil
Thanks Phil. Yea me too. Will start digging soon.
So sorry for your loss my friend 😢
Thanks!
Ohhhhh shit!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry man 😢. I know for sure though, it will definitely fly again. Cheers from California.
Thanks Vladimir
Dang dude! I am sorry to see that. You took it like a Champ though 👊🏻💥👊🏻
Thanks. Unfortunately taking it better comes with experience.
@@thelightersideofrc Oh no! lol
I did exactly the same thing with my large Skymaster Viper, but was dead stick. In retrospect, I should have retracted the gear and landed down wind in a ploughed paddock that it was over at the time. Probably would have got by with just some scratches, but after the stall, it went straight in!!
Ouch. Yea it hurts no matter what it is.
Noooo… you handled that well man. I’ve seen grown men cry when their expensive rc model goes in. 😕
HAHA. Thanks John.
Sorry for your loss.. This day will pass too.
Thanks Frank
what a bommer. Such a gorgious plane and nice flight.
Totally! Needs to be replaced for sure!
Dammit, that sucks but she will be back in the air quickly, you are so fast at building, probably do a fuse swap during a commercial break LOL. She is gorgeous for sure, and one of the nicest-looking airframes I have seen in a long time. Please post what the cause was when NTSB investigation is complete, take care!
HAHA. Thanks. Yea I'll probably start digging into it soon and try to find cause.
Jon, that really sucked. Just the fact that you show the good with the bad has all my respect for you and your great RUclips channel.
Thank you very much!
That is very horrible. I hope you can build a new one. This is a beautiful Jet. I think, that was Murphys Law
Thanks Ralf. Yea it's a keeper model for sure.
I'm sorry for you i know what you feel i'm just back of the airfield with my damaging f86 sabre after a rough landing on the front wheel due to a too much forward cg.
Ouch. Yea it's stinks no matter what it is.
Sorry to see this. Bummer.
Thanks. Onward and upwards!
So Sorry John. Very tough.....
Thanks Ted.
I'm sorry to see this Jon. I almost didn't watch as there is nothing fun about seeing these accidents. 😢
Thanks. Yea I want it to be a bit of a story and also a learning experience for me and others.
As the world turns. At 17:18 I after 45 years of GA and RC, I always remind my fellow "RC flyers", always love the hobby, but only care for the implement.
Thanks David! Perfect!
Nice flight, plane,, Terrible, I feel your pain,,,, Thanks for letting us see reality, the crash besides the great flight,,,,sometimes things go wrong,,,,
Thanks!
That really sucks Jonathan! So sorry man I know that jet is one of your favorites. I do have a question though. Does the Jeti radio have a global throttle trim or does it change with each flight mode position? Reason I ask is because I got bit by JRs system not having a global throttle trim on the T14 and I forgot to raise the throttle trim to full on my landing flight mode and it was at zero trim. The engine didn’t shut off till I landed because the Swiwins have a safety feature built in where if the RPM is above 25% the engine stays running. And I remember you saying that you were gonna cut the power out a bit sooner since it floats. Not sure if that’s the cause but that’s an idea that came to my mind. Once again, so sorry.
Thanks Klaus. with jeti you can choose to have global or flight mode. Throttle trim always set to global. I have an idea what it was but will hopefully start digging into it soon.
Like my experience recently, maiden was no problem, it was the second flight that bit hard. It could have been a lot worse, don't worry you'll get it fixed.
Thanks Lance.
Man, that really sucks. Hope you can determine what caused the loss of power, maybe a clogged fuel filter. Its even more frustrating when you can't determine the cause of a crash. It flew very solid so maybe a new airframe is in order.
Thanks Eduardo. yea will be a new airframe type of repair.
Hope you get back in the air soon!
Not going to fix it. hopefully a new kit.
Crashes always makes a good video.
Yea. Unfortunatley.
Please do a video series on accident repair and what it will take to hopefully get it back in the air
I don't think i'll be repairing but will do .
So sorry for the loss Jonathan…. Hope you find out the real cause of it.. 😢
Thanks David. Hopefully can figure it out.
It's so sad to see this beautiful plane crashing.
Ouch for sure!
Flaps up while needing to turn and then keeping altitude @ the same time killed the speed and this beauty too. Answer to ""what happened"
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Sorry that happened to you man.
Thanks.
So sorry to see that happen; it always gives you a sick feeling, even if it's not your own. Just my two cents worth; I have never been a fan of doing a low, slow dirty pass before landing. Once the gear is down, for me; land.
Thanks Damien. Yea it's about the worst case scenario for this to happen. Full dirty and landing speed. Tough to hold speed.
@@thelightersideofrc I had a very similar issue with a P140 rolling back to idle in a CARF Rookie. I got lucky and just landed in the rough. The Rookie is almost impossible to stall (I still have it). I hope you can get it flying again; the Bull is a truly nice model.
Damn… that’s a tough one.
Yea. She was a keeper. Onward and upward.
It hurt to see all that work laying on the ground 😢
Yea it hurts for sure.
"The heavier side of RC" sorry to see this happen 😢 Hindsight gear up and land straight ahead..but today is Monday.
Freshly turned up field would have been the same disaster I think.
@@thelightersideofrc I'm like man..6 months since I put a turbine in the air so it's going to be interesting 😇
Oh man the absolute worst time to lose power, ouch!
Yea totally hey.
My stomach sank when I saw the title. SORRY for the mishaps Mr. J
Thanks Edwin.
i feel your pain and frustrasion man.
Thanks Brahm. BIG OUCH!
I'm sorry Jon, that really sucked, doesn't matter how many times we fly this stuff it's never easy to have a crash. I hope you can figure out what happened so we can all learn from your loss.
Thanks. yea it is an OUCH for sure. I will dig into it soon.
Man that's a bummer losingany model!
Agreed!
Sorry to see this happen. You never know when.
Exactly! Sometimes the expiration date is SOON.
@@thelightersideofrc Sure wish they were marked with that date somewhere! Keep em flying, my friend!
Haha. No kidding! I’ll just avoid flying that day😂😂
Really weird. I hope you get to know the real cause! 👍 Chin up and start the repair work!! Thanks a lot for another good video. PS: in real aviation you shall NEVER try to get back to the runway. Just fly straight and concentrate on flying the airplane. Cheers Thomas
he was heading for the road. didnt have much choice I think
Thanks Thomas. Yea it's a tough call in this one. Field had been freshly turned over so a landing in the field would have been a disaster as well. I was already in landing phase so was hoping it would work out.
the picture is deceiving. The road is very far away but yes I was hoping to put it down nice and safe.
My 2 flying buddies fly turbines alot when they aren't flying their 3d planes and one of them just maidened a voyager xl with a 260 on it and this is the sight you never want to see.....balsa and smaller planes aren't as sad to see crash but when 6 to 20k setups crash its a pain full situation....thoroughly surprised that it stayed so well intact for literally cartwheeling....sorry brother but thank you for showing us the good with the bad
Thanks Tory!
Well thats a bummer Jon as she's a great Flyer very stable and Loud. That particular part of the approach you were to low to do much although leaving the Flaps out would have given the edge. As you upped the Flaps the Stall speed would have been higher. Hey it happens new Fuse ya be good to go. Right NEXT. ;0)
Thanks Nick. Yea unfortunately with flaps down, even in take off it robs airspeed so it's a bit of catch 22. And the sucky part is you only get 2 seconds to make these decisions when your in the landing pattern.
Trying to get back to the runway, depending on circumstances of course, but most commonly after engine failure after takeoff, is often in general aviation called "the impossible turn". Not enough energy to keep up the necessary airspeed while making the turn results in a stall and a spin. Keep that airspeed up, and repeat for yourself, don't stall it, don't stall it, don't stall it, next time. Look around and make a plan when you're on the field for alternative places where to put it down before takeoff in case something like this happens again. Almost anything is better to land on than a stall and spin into the ground.
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My smaller turbine has survived its share of impossible turns after flameouts but I cheat a bit by having an AoA sensor and "alpha protection" on my planes... Here's one incident where I simply had to make a 270 degree turn to get to a flat spot suitable for a gear-up soft field forced landing ruclips.net/video/H72s9oBt4Xw/видео.htmlsi=C2qCgtX_NK0ggYH8&t=325
@@johanveltheim4331 Nice. A plane can stall at any airspeed, but only at one critical angle of attack.
That sucks. 😢😢😢
Thanks Ray. Yea it's an OUCH for sure.
Damn bro! So sad.😕
Ouch for sure!
Noooo 😢 that hurts
Yea, it's an OUCH for sure.
Hey jon, its been a couple of weeks since the Bull Jet suffer a bit of deceleration stress, do you know why the the turbine went to idle yet.
Filming it and investigating it now.
Sorry to see that on a brand new plane. Have you checked the turbine controller?
Hey Juergen. Haven't dug into it yet but hopefully soon.
Trying to make it back to the runway was a mistake, we all do it eventually. Should have kept the gear, flaps and airspeed up and landed in the field on your belly. The fuselage appears fixable. I've seen worse rebuilt nicely. Sorry this happened to you. Best regards.
How do you keep the airspeed up when you've lost power?
dont forget that the road is in the background. He would have been trying to avoid that at all costs.
@@daysdesigns Keep the nose down, keep the flaps and gear up.
@@paulhatfield498 @16:41...He would need full power to get to that road...but this is hindsight.
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with experience you'll learn that in these situations its best to land it immediately than try for the runway and crash
Agreed! Unfortunately with the field surrounding the runway just turned over it would have ended bad as well. Thanks for watching!
Beautiful aircraft I hate that happened for sure but there's only so much you can do when you lose power without having altitude.
Thanks Chase. Your absolutely correct. This was about the worst time for this to happen.
That sucks mate
Ouch is right!
Sorry, for you, it is better to fly and take a risk than to watch your planes in your garage. 🇨🇭
Very Well Said Michel!!!!
Oh man that sucks jonathan.
Ouch!
Miss the days of my $100 Forty Size planes with $80 engines. I never crashed one beyond minor landing damage but even if I totaled one it would not be a huge financial loss. Feel for you, that will be very $$$$ to fix.
Thanks John.
Remember, any RC Pilot who says they've never crashed either is inexperienced or lying. Though losing a new plane on the first or second flight is always a blow. All of my planes are 3D printed which is great for learning to fly, if I crash (which I have done multiple times), I can just run off a new fuselage/wing/whatever and I'm back in the air a few days later at minimal cost.
Very True!
only gave a like to help the channel,sorry about the hard landing
Thaks Richard.
Sorry, greetings from Mexico.
Thanks Manuel.
ECU has detected an anomaly(P WM ?) and enter in Fail safe mode,? What engine??
No failsafe. Found the answer yesterday after this video was released! Update coming Tomorrow!
What a bummer .Let us know what you find out about the loss of power.
Thanks Gary. Will do. I'll start digging soon and try to find cause.
Heartbreaking😢. Sorry 👍
Ouch for sure!
Im sorry my friend. Hurts to see it. Hopefully you can figure out why the throttle was unresponsive .
Thanks Sal. I'll start digging in soon.
A Testla Turbine Engine on a Ducted Fan could get really interesting !!!
X 4 , 1 for each end .
A giant quad copter ???
Thats Nic. Testla about 1909 massive HP small size !!!
They didn't have materals we do now !!!
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That sucks man. Mike c
Thanks Mike. Yea it happens.
☹️That’s no good!! Sorry man
Thanks Steve. Yea it sucks but move on!
The darker side of rc. I know the pain...😢
HAHA. Exactly! Thanks Henrik.
With turbines and crashes you have to also look at the positives , in this one , no fire still got all the gear huge positive, looks like you might get away with a fuse and probably a wing,
Hey Rob. Totally agree! It was pretty minor compared to what it could have been.
Was that fuel running out of it at 1:17 to 2:03, seemed to be a lot?
Just fuel coming out of the vent line as I went straight out with vent line. No issue.
This is just an analysis, not a criticism! None of us have never made a mistake!
That last turn for the runway was the mistake, it was never going to make it. The wing loading and drag was never going to allow it. The best choice would have been on the downwind leg to accept no power, and retract the gear and lift the flaps and turn in diagonally to try and belly the grass. Done right the model would not have been pointed at the pits looking at the field layout.
You'd have had some scratches but little else.
The other choice would have been to retract the gear, land straight ahead lifting the flaps before touchdown. If the flaps are on a slow timer then you'd have to guess the timings. That would have given more scratching and perhaps a little damage and maybe some servo stripping/flap damage. But it would have been safest.
It's never easy in the instant, and I repeat, it's not a criticism. I learnt the hard way myself about situations like this. Congratulations by the way for being so cool and sanguine about it! That's a far better attitude than many, many others!
Thanks! 😎
Hate to see that happen but as you know, when you fly these things no matter how much you have invested in them, the chance of something like this is going to happen. Did you ever find out why the engine would not respond?
You got that right Hank! It's been sitting in a pile for a few weeks now. Haven't had the motivation to dig into it. Now that the video is out will start digging.
Boy, I really feel bad for the loss. But something can be learned out of this. The crash was completely avoidable. Flying straight, pulling the gear up. Would have save the aircraft, get the nose down and glide to the ground. As slow as it was, there is really no way to make a turn and use the elevator without absolutely slowing the plane to stall. If you are slow and going down, just keep the nose down and fly straight. Obviously if you have enough residual speed it’s not a problem. I have made it 360° from only 15 or 20 feet because it had a lot of speed to make a proper landing. but making any turns while you’re slow will catch your air speed really fast.
How would he have avoided the road in the background?
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@@paulhatfield498 It looked like he could. He actually hit up elevator and tried to gain altitude. He could have turned quite a bit to simply adjust. From where I saw, he probably could have made the runway if the nose kept down. This is NOT a criticism of the pilot... Seriously. In the moment it is hard and I would never fault anyone for doing what felt right at the moment. If you know who I am, I do a lot of instructing. This is simply a teachable issue...
@@thelightersideofrc watch as the nose went up, the speed just dropped critically
Remember a few things guys. Yes. This is a learning experience which is why I share this stuff.
1. Engine didn’t flame out. Was still running. So you have a few seconds to make decisions. A few of those seconds were realizing that there was no throttle response. 2. Then in 0.5 seconds you get to decide what to do. Field had been freshly turned over. So landing in field with gear up or down would have been bad.
3. Flaps up and turn to runway. Flaps up to maintain speed. Had the engine quit 2 seconds earlier and audibly quit like normal, I would have turned right away and made it to runway no problem.
4. Be careful judging people with stuff like this. I have dead stick landed F18’s, tutor multiple times, 1/4 scale L39 multiple times and many others. Timing, altitude, airspeed, position, airframe etc are all factors.
Learn, learn, learn
What was the reason that engine did not respond? FS ?
Started digging into it yesterday. Will release a video with my findings
@@thelightersideofrc Thank you so much! Appreciate it..
Very sad for you. Shit happends some times in our hobby.
Thanks. Yea it's frustrating but onward and upward!
Sorry
Thanks!