oh yeah they used it a lot before that sergovia dude came along right? thats so cool, i've heard it was tuned like into a G chord or sumn? @@annone3428
@@EvansFanilyif you think Nile is all blast beats then you know nothing about drumming my little non musician. Seriously doubt Sam knew how to do Heel-Toe or Swivel Foot Techniques plus the amount of time it takes to learn how to use those techniques correctly then comes the stamina challenge and being able to reach those very fast double bass speeds. So no little buddy, Sam could not play for Nile.
That's a profoundly true statement. Folks have been expressing anger, aggression, basically any type of foul human emotion through music since forever. Metal made it popular.
it's amazing how some of these songs I had listened to through a more modern lens and never picked up on "oh hey, that's extremely modern and forward thinking of them." Emerson Lake and Palmer even had the freaking bell of the ride. I cannot believe how spot on that is.
I own a signed set of Louie Bellson drum sticks. Those guys are the DNA of drums. Jazz drumming from the mid 20th century will always be the gold standard. Oh, you earned my subscription by the research and editing you did. You're not just a hack rip off like 97% of YT.
Same. It isn't often enough that I encounter others who understand that so much music that we think of as rock is really just jazz in different clothing, so to speak.
Popping in two years later to say that Tony Williams has several of the first recorded blastbeats that actually sound like blasts to contemporary metalheads. Check out the 1:40~ mark, and another build from the 3:00~ mark on “Vashkar” from Emergency! and I know there are examples of him doing this in some of the live releases with the Miles Davis quintet.
You know... in hindsight I can definitely see blast beats being so common throughout music because it's such a great warm up routine. In some alternative universe playing octaves being synonymous with black metal 😂
That one in Emerson lake and palmer is the more accurate form. Is already one hand on the ride and another one on the snare. Is the nearest on the list at traditional blastbeat.
Morrison was an insufferable lunkhead goon, but Manzarek, Krieger, and Densmore were a band of unimpeachable skill and unquestionable talent. Peak musicianship.
Nobody ever talks about Charles Lee Benante of SOD for some reason. It's one thing to have a chaotic drum solo and another to fit it in to a musical context so it holds emotion. ruclips.net/video/7hfaB4tjmLc/видео.html&ab_channel=HistoryofRockMusic-Mostpowerfulrocksongs
I was about to say Louie was playing a roll then just matching his feet with his hands. Usually in jazz a blast beat was more used in transitions technically a blast beat is a 8th note played at 120 bpms which the basic ride pattern of the jazz shuffle is 120 bpms
Very first true grindcore songs with speed blasts includes screams and high pitched growls(United Mutation), warning its brutal-- MEAT PUPPETS- Hair 1981- ruclips.net/video/rL86Ur7fhMs/видео.htmlsi=SiH80G0vsqROE4Va / MEAT PUPPETS Foreign Lawns 1981- ruclips.net/video/utCl9ubiEmM/видео.htmlsi=xmCllJrSUzcPgEKn / UNITED MUTATION- Combat Boots 1982- ruclips.net/video/ihi9cDaDAx0/видео.htmlsi=zPVfHWZGdGodqBWA
These guys are all good, and super fast, but they aren't playing blast beats. These played here are just fast drum solos. Generally, any beat has hands and feet repeatedly playing the same sequence of notes, as blast beats do, but fast during the course of a measure, a break, or even a whole song. Moving quickly around the toms and smashing cymbals randomly are only solos or breaks or fills. Bill Ward does give us good example of a good blast.
There are a few important differences about blast beat / metal and grind drumming and all what came before: I think that the most important is that most of these examples are improvised solos, while blast beats are never improvised and form an integral part of the songs. Sure, the techniques may be similar, but it is IMO an error to compare extreme metal (grindcore, death metal and some black metal genres) with any other previous type of music, unless we speak about D-beat UK hardcore and a few crust bands from Scandinavia. But these bands weren't just mixing styles and giving birth to a new branch of rock, jazz or electric folk: We punks had already digested all that stuff and well aware of doing something new. New even from the point of view of the first wave of punk (Clash. Sex Pistols). The stuff was basically creating a lot of noise with 2 or 3 chords, playing fast and singing / screaming fast. The bands that were able to add a good fast drummer kicked ass. This pretty quickly became grindcore and all sorts of extreme metal while we kids were being converted into the Real True Faith: SATAN!!! \m/ which is a brand of high alcoholic Belgian ale. Nevermind, nice video!!! Now I have an excuse to show it to my Jazz-loving wife so as to have an excuse for blasting some Terrorizer ("just listen to the drummer, it's super-jazz inspired, I swear")
@@mmestari well you have to have roots also. These drummers mentioned paved the way for drummers today and if it weren't for the pioneer drummers striving to be awesome and creative we wouldn't have all the Great drummers of today.
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. You don’t get out much do you? The technical prowess of modern drumming is through the roof to say the least. I am 63 and been playing since the age of 9. In my prime I couldn’t touch the skill level of Nekrutmann and his modern colleagues.
@@bodomiller4275 I'm actually going to go back in time further. And have to say Charlie Benante had influenced the blast beats into the genre of metal, and not what punk music was doing
@@adamcruz3172Blast beat as we know it today has its roots in punk drumming. Even Benante stated he didn't invent it and gives the credit to the early 80's hardcore bands.
Yes but this video doesn't acknowledge that. Shredding on a guitar is not the same as making fast noises. Only a few of these would qualify as blast beat.
Things that were a thing in jazz before metal; blast beats, bell rides, 7 string guitars, downtuning and double bass drumming
yeah. and brazillians use 7 strings its a common thing there
So basicly metal.
Acoustic metal
@@onesyphorusactually russians too, in oldschool romances
oh yeah they used it a lot before that sergovia dude came along right? thats so cool, i've heard it was tuned like into a G chord or sumn? @@annone3428
"I guess you guys aren't ready for that yet. But your kids are gonna love it."
-Marty McFly, Godfather of Rock and Roll
This !!!
Jazz is metal as fck
Louis Bellson was also the father of double bass in drums, drawing up the idea for a double bass drum kit while still a kid in 1939.
wanting to have the patterns he learned as a tapdancer to his drumkit
@@bartrosseau7481Man he basically started one of the greatest features of metal drumming.
I’m not surprised of the Jazz roots. I once saw Whitney Houston’s drummer do a proper gravity blast at a Jazz bar in Seattle.
ts musta been amazing lol
Sam Woodyard. The godfather of blast beats. Respect.
The guy is portraying Pete Sandoval in 1960
Mofo could play for nile
@@EvansFanilymore like Last days of Humanity
@@xmw-rat4558you're not even exaggerating with that one chief
@@EvansFanilyif you think Nile is all blast beats then you know nothing about drumming my little non musician. Seriously doubt Sam knew how to do Heel-Toe or Swivel Foot Techniques plus the amount of time it takes to learn how to use those techniques correctly then comes the stamina challenge and being able to reach those very fast double bass speeds. So no little buddy, Sam could not play for Nile.
For the 1950s and beyond, that was extreme for its time.
Somebody was tearing it up long before heavy metal became a thing. Doesn't matter what style or instrument.
That's a profoundly true statement. Folks have been expressing anger, aggression, basically any type of foul human emotion through music since forever. Metal made it popular.
it's amazing how some of these songs I had listened to through a more modern lens and never picked up on "oh hey, that's extremely modern and forward thinking of them."
Emerson Lake and Palmer even had the freaking bell of the ride. I cannot believe how spot on that is.
I own a signed set of Louie Bellson drum sticks. Those guys are the DNA of drums. Jazz drumming from the mid 20th century will always be the gold standard.
Oh, you earned my subscription by the research and editing you did. You're not just a hack rip off like 97% of YT.
Thanks for your kind words! 🙏
Same. It isn't often enough that I encounter others who understand that so much music that we think of as rock is really just jazz in different clothing, so to speak.
Thats is where metal music actually came from. Jass n classic n blues. Those are the roots of it all.
Agreed!!
Listen to Coltrane's the father and the son and the holy ghost. The drumming is chaotic. Pure art
The first guy HAS to be Dave Lombardo's dad. That double kick....
Someone should make a brutal riff to these jazz drums
Ah yes protogrind
The drum breaks in
"Wipe Out" were a must.
A lot of the drum solos were influenced by it. thanks
Black Sabbath … … my favorite jazz band !
Right about that, my fault..!
They knew how to play some jazz acctually, iommi and butler for sure
The thing about heavy bands in the early 70's is that they have influences from jazz, blues, psychedelia, rock, classical...
Bill Ward was heavily influenced by jazz
Sabbath absolutely swings
When Carl Palmer did it, it had POWER!!!! 💪
Bill Ward is SO OG it’s ridiculous!!!! He sounds METAL ALL the time 💪
Popping in two years later to say that Tony Williams has several of the first recorded blastbeats that actually sound like blasts to contemporary metalheads. Check out the 1:40~ mark, and another build from the 3:00~ mark on “Vashkar” from Emergency! and I know there are examples of him doing this in some of the live releases with the Miles Davis quintet.
❤❤❤❤ One of my favorites
Here's another good one from the 1960s: 1:30 into Tom Jones & The Senators - What'd I Say (The Beat Room, 5th Oct 1964).
1:42 hammer smashed face
2:20 Ouch! Nick Mason... I am Pink Floyd fan and it's amazing to listen him in this way🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Tony Williams is a big
Omission from this
I feel like this guy likes the Doors considering the amount of time they were given
True! But seriously, I really didnt look at the clock while making the edit/cuts, so it’s more a coincidence.
¡El blast beat siempre ha estado allí! Solo debían llegar oídos suficientemente podridos para apreciarlos
Jaja, hay blast en las sinfonías de Bach y Beethoven .
@@netzerx en cuales
Carl Palmer is a monster
Don't know if it's true or not, but I read that he was the only rock drummer that Buddy Rich thought was good.
@@robgrano6814 truth Buddy's favorite rock drummer was Carl Palmer.. he also said after he was gone that Carl would be the best...
And, it's the only clip in this video where the blast was used musically and as an actual beat.
You know... in hindsight I can definitely see blast beats being so common throughout music because it's such a great warm up routine. In some alternative universe playing octaves being synonymous with black metal 😂
Acid jazz with emphasis on acid.
Buddy Rich did a very clean/fast blast beat in "West Side Story" throughout the 1960s ... usually one of the first fills in the song.
Jazz players usually have crazy fast hands
That one in Emerson lake and palmer is the more accurate form. Is already one hand on the ride and another one on the snare. Is the nearest on the list at traditional blastbeat.
Look into ‘Flower Punk’ by Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention. First fully blast song?
Glad to see Sunny represented.
Jazz was just classical music players messing around
If [insert any musical innovation] exists, jazz did it first.
....Which Jazz artist did guttural vocals?
Lord Worm’s first earthly incarnation before he was reincarnated as Cryptopsy’s vocalist
The Doors definitely gives me chills, having watched Apocalypse Now
Morrison was an insufferable lunkhead goon, but Manzarek, Krieger, and Densmore were a band of unimpeachable skill and unquestionable talent. Peak musicianship.
We also have a blast beat in the final moments of "The End" also by The Doors
And yes.. Metal music has roots in jazz
The Doors - The End, in final section have a blastbeat!
Nobody ever talks about Charles Lee Benante of SOD for some reason. It's one thing to have a chaotic drum solo and another to fit it in to a musical context so it holds emotion.
ruclips.net/video/7hfaB4tjmLc/видео.html&ab_channel=HistoryofRockMusic-Mostpowerfulrocksongs
Here you go (at 11:30 in the 80s Video):
ruclips.net/video/gc3ZxDNq744/видео.html
Cheers mate!
No worries on my end Charlie will always be one of the best metal drummers ever.
Louie Bellson already played with double bass drums. I'm shocked 😮
Dude, you made some NEAT RESEARCH
Love's "7 and 7 Is" has some ferocious drumming from Alban "Snoopy" Pfisterer.
also 1523 blair by outcasts
I think you should've included Tony Williams
After hearing the ELP track, I put on Yezda Urfa's Sacred Baboon album, which then reminded me of Righteous Pigs.
Really interesting to hear blasts used in a song / musical way outside of a drum solo as early as 1970
I was about to say Louie was playing a roll then just matching his feet with his hands. Usually in jazz a blast beat was more used in transitions technically a blast beat is a 8th note played at 120 bpms which the basic ride pattern of the jazz shuffle is 120 bpms
Talk about a “blast” from the past!
ELP.... Awesome!!!
Crippled society: the womb of blast beats
You forgot Fireball, first proto speed metal song.
I can literally hear some brutal 7 string riff being played for the second one 😂
Siempre encuentro algo nuevo del jazz que me impresiona, gracias.
Have you heard the proto metal etc pre Sabbath? Some scary stuff
Most of the stuff are not actually blasts, but extended fills...
This man even did a whole dance move for you during
1:32 is so funny to me cos it makes sense in context but just realising oh yeah ofc its blastbeatish too
I need more videos with an investigative quality as found in this video, congratulations, your research is very deep 🤘🙌💪🪖👍
Who’s the drummer before Pink Floyd’s clip
Sunny Murray
Some jazz requires a metal mentality for sure.
The Doors sounded like they were attempting minimalist music, rather than blast beats. 😂
Yeah, I heard no blasting
More of a traditional psych rock freakout jam imho, and may I add it’s a v good one at that. Some things just never go out of style 🤘
What a video! Love me some blast beats.
What are the doors doing there ??? What about budy rich?? Thus is I complete .
That Emerson, Lake and Palmer song SLAPPED lol
ELP was fundamentally incapable of ever not GOING HARD AF 💯, dig in to their catalog (welcome to your new obsession, btw 😅) and you’ll see 🙌
Very first true grindcore songs with speed blasts includes screams and high pitched growls(United Mutation), warning its brutal-- MEAT PUPPETS- Hair 1981- ruclips.net/video/rL86Ur7fhMs/видео.htmlsi=SiH80G0vsqROE4Va / MEAT PUPPETS Foreign Lawns 1981- ruclips.net/video/utCl9ubiEmM/видео.htmlsi=xmCllJrSUzcPgEKn / UNITED MUTATION- Combat Boots 1982- ruclips.net/video/ihi9cDaDAx0/видео.htmlsi=zPVfHWZGdGodqBWA
These guys are all good, and super fast, but they aren't playing blast beats. These played here are just fast drum solos. Generally, any beat has hands and feet repeatedly playing the same sequence of notes, as blast beats do, but fast during the course of a measure, a break, or even a whole song. Moving quickly around the toms and smashing cymbals randomly are only solos or breaks or fills. Bill Ward does give us good example of a good blast.
1:00 но вот эта техника игры, очень похожа на современную технику игры blast beats.А так вы правы,в этом видео нету blast beats.
"acshually 🤓"
Agree with this
WOOOOWOWOOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW
F-ing awesome
Give this one a try, it's a great example from the 1960s: 1:30 into Tom Jones & The Senators - What'd I Say (The Beat Room, 5th Oct 1964).
Coletrane's Interstellar Space. Rasheed Ali on drums.
We will dominaaaaaate!
There are a few important differences about blast beat / metal and grind drumming and all what came before:
I think that the most important is that most of these examples are improvised solos, while blast beats are never improvised and form an integral part of the songs.
Sure, the techniques may be similar, but it is IMO an error to compare extreme metal (grindcore, death metal and some black metal genres) with any other previous type of music, unless we speak about D-beat UK hardcore and a few crust bands from Scandinavia. But these bands weren't just mixing styles and giving birth to a new branch of rock, jazz or electric folk: We punks had already digested all that stuff and well aware of doing something new. New even from the point of view of the first wave of punk (Clash. Sex Pistols). The stuff was basically creating a lot of noise with 2 or 3 chords, playing fast and singing / screaming fast. The bands that were able to add a good fast drummer kicked ass. This pretty quickly became grindcore and all sorts of extreme metal while we kids were being converted into the Real True Faith: SATAN!!! \m/ which is a brand of high alcoholic Belgian ale. Nevermind, nice video!!! Now I have an excuse to show it to my Jazz-loving wife so as to have an excuse for blasting some Terrorizer ("just listen to the drummer, it's super-jazz inspired, I swear")
Bro.... in simple terms.. "This video is a massive stretch" haha.
Great vid dude!
What is the Albert Ayler song featured here named?
I think it was a variation of the song „ghost“
@@bodomiller4275Thank you. I ended up finding the originally recording. Here it is, for everyone interested. ruclips.net/video/nuCxMd8SfNE/видео.html
Carl Palmer... So fucking Great
It's weird why modern drummers don't strive to this kind of perfection
blame pop music culture.
Underground.
I think the new Signs of the Swarm album Amongst the low and empty
Is a drummer's album.
What are you talking about? There's lots of drummers alive today that far better than any shown in this video.
@@mmestari well you have to have roots also. These drummers mentioned paved the way for drummers today and if it weren't for the pioneer drummers striving to be awesome and creative we wouldn't have all the Great drummers of today.
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. You don’t get out much do you? The technical prowess of modern drumming is through the roof to say the least. I am 63 and been playing since the age of 9. In my prime I couldn’t touch the skill level of Nekrutmann and his modern colleagues.
Sam Woodyard Is incredible drum man
Rip❤
This was so fuckin interesting
5:26 beautiful
I would like to mention that the drummer of Pantera probably the first to blast beat as it would be played in it's genre
In which song?
@@bodomiller4275 I'm actually going to go back in time further. And have to say Charlie Benante had influenced the blast beats into the genre of metal, and not what punk music was doing
@@adamcruz3172Blast beat as we know it today has its roots in punk drumming. Even Benante stated he didn't invent it and gives the credit to the early 80's hardcore bands.
@@robertoricci3393 I think we're on the same page
Fuck Dude!! I was, oh, shit that's really fucking fast!!! Until I noticed that I had set the speed at 2x, LOL.
i don't think what you're talking about is complex enough to have an evolution, just prior coincidences
01:35 John Zorn's Painkiller o.O
Yea kinda! 😅
Where is Mr Baker?
These are all super fast rolls. Closest thing was Sam Woodyard.
Nick Mason straight up single foot trad-blasting lmao
Woodyard*
How did you miss Ginger Baker?!?
first one sounds so much like meander by textures
(well, the other way around)
1:31 what record is this please
ruclips.net/video/qPslczm0V_Y/видео.htmlsi=0xiSAdFSkH9KB8te
Must be a variation of the ghost recordings
Thanks 🤘🏼
Jazzcore 🤟😎
And Buddy Rich?
Comes with the update.
3:35 almost started to sound like wont get fooled again
Keith Moon or John Bonham?
Do you have an example where they blast?
Todo se trata de los queridos rudimentos 🎉🎉🎉
2:46 sounds like something dilla would chop 😂
you missed Billy Cobham
Professor explicando a prova
Eu com duas canetas que achei no chão:
Is there a difference between a trash can ending and blast beats?
Yes but this video doesn't acknowledge that. Shredding on a guitar is not the same as making fast noises. Only a few of these would qualify as blast beat.
Billy cobham. 😉