Daredevil vs. Vapora #1 - Atop the Fourth Wall
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Welcome to Atop the Fourth Wall, where bad comics burn. In this episode, Linkara continues PSA Hell Month with a comic that might just set itself on fire.
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Originally uploaded May 21st, 2012.
ORIGINAL INFO: Gasoline: fuel source, highly flammable, and summoner of demons.
RUMINATIONS: Now here’s one that I should make more reference to! Daredevil vs. Vapora is one of the darker PSAs I’ve ever covered. You’d think there’d be more like this, especially with a segment actually CALLED “PSA Hell,” but most of the time since the assumption is that comics are going into the hands of kids, they need to be watered down a bit, made more child-friendly. The New Teen Titans had some dark moments to be sure, but this one seems downright sadistic at times with how much people’s idiocy causes them to die in horrible accidents.
Vapora, however, is a memorable villain in her own right, despite the mythology around her character not really making any sense. Still, if they had ironed out a few of the bugs, she could have been a legitimate villain, unlike say the Asthma Monster or something.
Actually, Daredevil versus a vaporous enemy seems interesting, given the havoc it could play on his radar sense.
"Gasoline has a pretty distinctive smell."
Fun fact: it actually doesn't. In its normal form, it's odorless. They add something to it to give it that distinctive smell so you can always tell it from other liquids.
Hey wait a minute... no one ever saved that mother and baby!!!
PEOPLE JUST STRAIGHT UP BURNED TO DEATH IN THIS COMIC
Seriously makes me think this was rushed to some degree. Since they forgot to add a line of dialog afterwards confirming those 2 were okay.
I think Vapora was meant to be the pollution created monster of the week for Power Rangers, but got lost and took a wrong turn. LOL XD
I was gonna say that even Power Rangers wouldn't have her on the show but then I remembered that they made a monster out of Kimberly's purse. :(
She's like a rejected monster from Wildforce.
"WHERE IS SNOWFLAMES FUZZY SLIPPERS, WHERE IS SNOWFLAMES FUZZY SLIPPERS?!?!?!"
If it weren't for this comic, I would've had no idea one could use gasoline as a cleaning agent.
Me either.
I feel so informed. I'm going to clean several houses to celebrate!
Makes you wonder if this comic caused a resurgence of people actually trying it.
I learned about it from backwoods relatives. Also used for garden pests and beehives.
@@Lost-Lilim how backwoods where they?
I thought this would be a PSA on huffing gas fumes, not something this stupid.
To be fair, this does seem like it as well.
To be fair, some of your questions about Vapora, like the no brain thing, could also be applied to Sandman and Hydro-Man. They're both just a mass of their namesake with no internal organs at all, yet are both pretty smart. Well, they're as smart as the writer needs them to be.
I feel like vapora could be a pretty cool villain if she was somehow teamed up with arsonists who use gas. Like maybe she could possess or tempt them somehow. I dunno. If I can't think of a way to pull it off off the top of my head, I'm sure writers would find a way to fuck it up.
I'll admit, her design is pretty cool. She can be a vengeful ghost of an some pyro, letting supernaturals like Strange and Thor deal with her. This character has potential.
If only she didn't talk like a kid on his 12th coke for the day
I always thought Vapora was kinda interesting because the concept reminded me of an RPG character my mother once created. It was a female demon who literally rode on flames/could transform into flames. Her idea was executed better than the one in this story, lol.
Winter Steele It can easily be done to make vapora good theres a damn decent concept there it just needs some refining and something besides a PSA.
Your mom must be pretty awesome.
i love how this comic misses one really important fact or just could be that the characters are even more moronic than depicted. Yes gasoline vapor is flammable, but only at extremely high concentrations. I can't recall off hand but i think it's like in the tens of thousand part per million to cause gas vapor combustion. The only way you'd reach that volume is if you have an open canister over a prolonged period in an closed room with almost no ventilation. You'd be dead or delirious from the lack of oxygen before it reaches the combustion concentration.
I've never even heard of using gasoline for cleaning before this review. That's...that's just stupid.
TPrower To be fair there are types of paint for heavy machinery that will not come off with water and if you don't have something specially for those types of paints gasoline will do the trick...... dad's a mechanic and i've see him do this before it also takes the paint off some things if you need to repaint them.
TPrower See, the thing is, it used to be incredibly common. Like, for real. At one point, this made sense as a PSA sort of deal because people needed to be told. People seriously would burn themselves smoking around gas fumes because both were so ubiquitous.
...but this comic was made in 1993, and that's in the ballpark of about 30 years too late. And that's a conservative ballpark.
+TPrower People used to treat toothaches with cocaine.
Not even Tara Reid is that stupid.
Starting an old car by pouring raw gas into the carburetor was an old trick (and a bad idea, too). I knew of a man who accidentally burned himself to death doing just that. By the way, that trick doesn't work on fuel-injected cars, so don't try it.
Comica almost sounds like a video game console.
Or a comic-book-related superheroine/villain.
Sadly I've worked at a gas station and why it wasn't a daily thing we did have to warn people not to smoke by the pumps.
Nick Noel did they just not know how things work? Or do they think their grip and teeth are strong enough?
Well I think it's A they don't know how things work or sometimes its they don't care they think its just an over reaction
"Burn to death?" he said glumly tapping his cig out on a stone pillar. "I should be so lucky. Fuck my life."
Seriously? When he was teaching me to drive (and pump gas into my car), my father told me to always touch my hand against my car's metal surface before removing the pump to reduce the chance of a static discharge while it's channeling fuel. And other people actually SMOKE while doing that?!
When I was five or so I got gum stuck in my hair and my grandmother wanted to use gasoline to get it out. Thankfully peanut butter did the trick while causing at least 70% less fires
Oh man...I've SEEN that cover before. I may not have owned it...maybe a friend did? Oh, and "Welcome to Atop the 4th Wall, where bad comics burn! But safely, and especially far away from any gasoline or gasoline vapors, lest there be an unsafe fire!"
They should make a sequel whee Vapora has an evil plan that involves Vaping
Well I kind of think Vapora can be used in a Deadpool story for laughs .
add her in the netflix series
I can see him useing a fan to kill her
Well considering that Linkara has now reviewed a Deadpool comic with Brute Force. This is the kind of idea that wouldn't shock me.
Maybe Vapora is a hallucination in the mind of Daredevil, caused by gasoline vapors?
He's blind.
He could still hear her.
When truck drivers and construction workers come home with oil stains, it is common knowledge amongst them to use lighter fluid on the stains because that's the only thing that will get them out. I've been using lighter fluid as a spot treatment on oil based stains for years and have never had an issue... WAY different than soaking a load in gasoline, but using flammable fluids as cleaning fluids is something that is still routinely done across the country.
Urine works pretty well for that. The natural ammonia and uric acids are also good for blood stains.
4:45 of course. Even a tiny spark inside a closed circuit inside a wall can ignite gasoline. that's just science.
this could have made more sense if they made vapora a mad woman who goes around killing people with gasoline and accidentally kill herself because of the gas and came back as a gasoline ghost because she mad a deal with the devil
+MLP Aqua-Marine UK how does crazy woman dealing with the devil make sense? at least vapora sounds like a sort of boogeyman except that instead of go to bed the moral is don't wash clothes with gasoline. It's a cliché lesser demon thing that works well in story for kids or psa
***** i was just trying to find a way to improve this
MLP Aqua-Marine UK yes but Vapora being the personification of gasoline wash danger is not a problem
Aqua-Marine UK its sad that "ghost of an arsonist" makes more sense
And I like the idea
But not really as a Daredevil villain
She had to sell her love for diesel
4:39 to quote that one comedian on World's Dumbest in regard to someone failing to ignite gasoline for the purposes of arson: "Gasoline: Not as easy to light on fire as you might think."
"But once it goes, it's... it's gonna go."
I've used petrol for cleaning before. Normally engine parts when I was working on my Dad's motorbike - it's a great solvent for breaking up oil, and it's generally readily available. Hell, when I was working on the motorbike I had a whole damn tank of the stuff right there, I just had to open the tap to pour some out into a little container.
Of course, I was working in a well ventilated garage and was well aware of the potential dangers and how to handle it safely. But it's certainly a thing.
Huh but I’m still gonna call the part where the kid cleaning he’s bike with the gasoline stupid. And probably because he’s doing it differently then you.
@@mycontentcreation5264 Oh definitely - they're going out of their way to show people doing it wrong, because it's a PSA. Just saying that it _is_ a thing.
“WHERE IS SNOWFLAME’S FUZZY SLIPPERS?!” Don’t make SNOWFLAME love and tolerate the crap out of you to give them back.
Now i want Vapora and the Astma monster to team up.
My grandpa had me coat a truck bed extension (made of wood) with a mix of diesel and motor oil to keep the wood from rotting. I guarantee you people still do this because of one reason: It's cheaper.
Everyone should watch the Rifftrax short "More Dangerous than Dynamite" that he's referring to. In a live version, Adam Savage is the guest riffer and he's absolutely baffled by this insane idea.
I'd like Vapora more if she was voiced by Tim Curry
Ha! Oily rags collection! Great MST reference
I'd like to see a Daredevil arc where it's mostly Matt doing his lawyer work with his superpowers. He's more interesting as a lawyer.
How's he seeing her? Hearing her and smelling her, sure but how does sonar pick up gas?
" Gas.. beneath me... Gas up above... oh you love my... ah... ah... ah... Flammable love..."
Serious... this is Hexxus
"Oh!... Ah! my old comic... huh, that's rather nice~"
"GREEEEEEN with envy...CRAWLIIIING from my ass...MMM, you smell my to-to-to...toxic gas!"
Nah, Hexxus had a personality.
I usually remember Hexxus as a slime for some reason.
I read this one when I was a kid. My father works with firefighters, so maybe that's why he came across this particular one (there's no comic industry in my country, and known comics aren't sold popularly around here. ), translated to spanish. I remember liking it! But back then, the "story" wasn't my focus- I remember loving th art! Wishing I could drew like that. Hahah, even today, my art has improved a lot since then, and I still wish I could replicate that feeling that certain artstyle used in the comic gives me.
Oh man! I remember this comic! This was actually my first experience with comics. I was really young, so I didn't understand why Vapora wasn't shown in other comics.
I'm waiting for the crossover that ships Vapora with the Human Torch.
More Dangerous Than Dynamite was made in 1941.
This comic was made in 1993.
4:30-4:58 Now I think his new enemy gonna be a "Light switch Demon Lord."
This is the most awesome PSA comic ever.
Seriously, Vapora needs to make a comeback!
Best villain ever!!!!!111!!11!!!111!1ONE
9001/5 stars
-IGN
Watching this again, and I think Vapora would fit in Chronicles of Darkness as a spirit. Definitely not as a Daredevil villain.
Probably an Arson spirit. Which even makes sense why its vicious and cruel, its a spirit of murder but specifically with fire.
A blind person might ask "did you see that?" because they wouldn't know if what made the noise was visible...
"all I have to say is that this is some kind of a stupid...thing...a...stupida!!"
you might almost say it's "idiostuperific," eh, Linkara?
I was going to make a joke on how this comic totally ripped of the Aladdin animated series episode 'the vapor chase'. Except i then learned it was published a full year before said episode aired, so the similarities are probably just an coincidence.
Base on the title, I thought it was going to be DD fighting vaping.
Daredevil versus Vapora except she’s a vape cloud and the smell of jelly donuts confuses the hell out of him.
I just love PSA Hell.
same here
Silent Hill must been an oil town for Vapora to exist.
"Reputable Dry Cleaning Company" is this an alternate version of the Legitimate Businessman's Social Club?
If they had just made Vapora a real supervillain, this comic would be a lot less stupid. Not nearly good, mind you, but less stupid
You know, weirdly enough, I was given this comic in like, 2002 when the local fire department came to my school to do some kind of safety thing, kinda wish I still had it out of curiosity
They used to give these out every year when my elementary school did fire safety day. I swear to god I probably had 3 copies of these things at one point when I was a kid
I can't wait until link reviews Daredevil shadowland, the only blemish on matts perfect record.
"Yes, your house is more dangerous than a World War 1 Trench filled with Lions!"
While I know that Linkara ONLY burns a bad comic if it's TRULY awful, I feel that he should have set THIS one ablaze purely out of sheer irony.
I've not watched this episode in years but Wow. Linkara's hilarious in this one. I'd say he's "on fire", but that would be in bad taste
The thing is that Vapora is actually a great idea for a villain, but in such a shit comic and one that is so stupid at its own ideas. Vapora should be bright back but as a proper villain and maybe not to daredevil who is one of the most realistic superheroes and his villains are as well (at least the good ones).
6:53
damn... that's horrifying...
I'd actuall risk the reputation of the awesome Netflix tv show by having her on it just to see that scene in full cgi glory...
would she fit the show? no, but marvel tv could make it work, first order of business...make vapora's origin and story less stupid...
for as bad as the comic was, I actually think vapora is an interesting idea for a character. so much so, that I created a redesign of her character/backstory. giving her the mentality of a small child and having her not understand the consequences of her actions, explaining that she's a wind elemental that was accidentally created with gasoline vapors (making her a fire AND wind elemental), dropping the god awfully stupid "don't clean things with gasoline" PSA message, explaining why she wears clothes & how she has a gender, and finally- changing how she got the name "vapora" to something less idiotic (she overheard matt trying to say "vapor" while choking on gas fumes, mistook him for saying "vapora" and thought that was her name).
edit: another way to look at it is: my version of vapora is like nano from tmnt ‘03, but as a wind/fire elemental.
This is definitely one of my favorite reviews. That light switch joke was amazing!
PSA HELL! I love that corner so much. Everytime I see it, just like Millar Time, I know I'm in for a treat XD
Gasoline is preety good for Oil stains or any other hard stains, but dont uxe it regulary or keep something with gasoline near a ligth, heat, spark, plug or anithing
Sadly the Snowflame comic too my knowledge has been abandoned. Only finishing with one of it's chapters done.
You folks have no idea how many jobs use petroleum solvents. A typical car parts store has at least a dozen cans that are nothing but petroleum products for breaking down thicker oils and grease. And many like brake cleaner are MORE flammable than straight gasoline.
Hey Linkara, I dunno if anyone else has said this, but I think when the narrator said 'Cut from the patterns of humanity" he meant it was human like in appearance.
Then why not say that it has a shape or a silhouette of a human?
Because patterns make you think it has thoughts and behaviour of a person.
I have this one. I think I got it from a D.A.R.E. presentation in gradeschool.
So… Vapora is a psycho from Borderlands? She's gonna be my new meat bicycle! Uhm… vapor bicycle.
I like how the new daredevil series goes more into the lawyer aspect kinda like this comic did and we get to see him do real cases
They better have Vapora ready for season 2 or 3....
Lol that would be awesome, or terrible, if they can actually do that
God this was my first ever linkara episode, I remember watchin this on my grandmas ipad when I spent the night with her.... it's been way too long since I've seen this
Probably should have made Vapora be a Doctor Strange villain instead of Daredevil. At least there her more ethereal nature would have made more sense. Maybe have her be some minor demon that grows stronger from hurting people in fires or getting people to start fires.
Or maybe have her be part of Ghost Rider's rogue gallery.
18:45 Or hell, even just a wet rag and some elbow grease? I find that works just fine more often than not.
okay one more 6:22-6:36 can't stop laughing at that.
OH GOD, MY LEGS!
MY LEG!
7:11 that's a perfect Grant Morrison impression.
On the subject of kids and babies being attracted to the gasoline cans, to be fair, as someone who's gotten stuck with an infant niece in the past few months, a baby being more interested in things they shouldn't get into than their own toys doesn't sound that ridiculous.
All the people in the comic are basically how Dr House see's everyone (and I could totally believe it)
Will we get to see this in Netflix's Daredevil Season 3 ?
+GamerPony Her design and character COULD actually work, with a little tweaking. If she were an arsonist, for instance, who painted themselves in ashes and was mistaken for a ghost, that could be quite an interesting villain.
No. And definately not in session 4 🤣🤣🤣
Maybe Born Again?
At this point. I can imagine the MCU turning Vapora into a vengeful spirit of a woman who perished due to arson.
Re-watching this after Nash's recent coverage of an auto body shop but tried to cover the smell gas Vapors by lighting incense
It's a good thing we don't see crap like this in either the Daredevil movie or the Daredevil TV series.
I just can't stop laughing looking on Vapora's goofy happy face and hands drwan by a five year old 11:41
Aren’t kids the main audience for comic books? Kids just love cleaning!
I didn't know this was a thing until I saw this review. The real head slapping thing for me is when I mentioned it to my supervisor he was like "oh yeah I do that all the time."
Some people had to be doing it in 1993 as they made a psa on it.
12:15 A genie with a metal home? Daredevil, stop vapora before she makes a stupid rap song that references Dr. Seuss, and bathes in front of a little kid.
I'm pausing this at the five minute mark to say if that light switch doesn't turn out to be a villain, I'm going to be very disappointed.
How much you want to bet that first little girl is totally going to become a super villain...
Before I watched this, I assumed it was a psa about getting high on fumes.
So, do you think the mom and baby are dead? I mean we see an explosion and then we cut to the motorcycle cleaning.
I dont read many comics cause I'm not a fan of the vast and confusing DC and marvel universes but I've been marathoning this show from its beginning and well over a hundred videos in this is the weirdest one so far cause I've read this comic.
Dont know when, dont know why. I wasn't even born when it came out. I probably just saw daredevil on the cover and got excited.
All in all a very strange and hilarious trip down memory lane.
The lady with the baby was the best part.
SCREW YOU! I'M HAVING BOTTLED VAPORA!
Huh. My elementary school gave out copies of this one. I think it might have had a different cover, but it's been so long that I don't actually remember anymore.
6:54 what is that expression?? it looks like the "when something goes just right" meme
14:28 Dear incompetent Dumbass! 17:33 Harder better faster stronger! 19:47 It’s next very stupid victim!
I remember getting this comic in school when firefighters came to visit :-) I'm 34 now I still have it, it is one if the ones I was able to save from the time my Dad burned all my comics in the grill (bought with my ding-dang babysitting money)
PhoenixHealing why would your dad burn your comics? And on a grill?
He was trying to purge me of evil non-Christian influences.
yikes
PhoenixHealing Oh, your dad was one of those people who think that Comics, TV shows, Video games, Rock music, Dungeons & Dragons, Magic the gathering and any other form of escapist media that has nothjng to do with Christianity, and or traditional american values is a product of Satan to indoctrinate, desensitize, corrupt, and brainwash children into a generstion of evil, violent, homosexual, aclu, liberal, wiccan, degenerate, devil worshippers?
Forget if Windex didn't exist in the Marvel universe, what about water? Most of the stuff featured here to clean could be washed down with some soap and hot water. Most guys I know that own Motocycles clean them the same way people wash their cars, dish soap and a hose.
I mean, I know they were kids, but their father could have told them that, which meant it was implied that he taught them to clean it with gasoline....the fuck?
It's almost like combing a METAPHOR for a disaster with THE REAL THING in a PSA comic just leads to stupidity and confusion. What's next, an Earthquake Safety Tips comic that explains earthquakes are caused by Mole People?
My fifth grade math teacher let me keep his copy of this issue. Now I know why.
*The following are the musings of a Salty SEAGULL named EARL who just shows up in my posts whenever he feels like it!*
[EARL the Salty SEAGULL:] 3:18 - "You know, I get the feeling Vapora is actually a fan of the tagline ATOP THE FOURTH WALL where BAD COMICS BURN to the point I think she'd probably be happy to see Linkara douse the comic with gasoline and letting it burn! Guess Linkara realized that was the case and decided not to turn the comic into kindling!" 4:40 - "I just love how this part of the comic that points out the blatantly obvious that Gasoline should be used MOTOR FUEL ONLY! Seriously it renders the comic's existence into a mostly pointless PSA!" 12:52 - "I hate to say it but there are people this stupid, as I watched a video about Darwin Award winners which sadly featured a woman who was using gasoline for cleaning and ended up burning to death when she caught fire cause a lit candle fell! So yeah, this comic was likely made with those kinds of incidents in mind! Still the Vapora concept is kinda dumb! Superheroes fighting drug dealers makes sense! Captain America fighting the Ashma Monster, goofy but at least its entertaining! Vapora sounds like a lazy way for the writers to avoid pointing out how dumb it is to use gasoline for cleaning purposes!"
Ewww! "Washing" clothes in gasoline?! I'd rather keep them dirty than to smell like that.
i heard of people starting fiers at gas stashon just by staic eletrisady on their cloths
10:34 This is some type of comic thing! A comica!
Apparently a Texan woman died after her shoes (that were previously clean with gasoline) caught on fire in 1998. So it seems that it’s still relevant.
How did she catch fire? Where her shoes wheelies with sparkers?
Why are there no spaces between Vapora's words? Also, how can she talk without any vocal chords?
plz tell me that this daredevil comic wasn't made by frank miller
My dad used to wash his hands with gasoline all the time, and he'd spill it all over the floor in the process.
Goronic - Really depends on what you have on your hands if you've got the rigth stuff on it namely if your a mechanic or such water won't get it off.
Hopefully he didn't have a sudden urge to light up a cigarette or wash off the gasoline with sulfuric acid.
Okay. A few issues or observations I had during this review.
First, with the cover and your "that kid is fine" comment, SHE'S HANGING DIRECTLY OVER DAREDEVIL! Why does that automatically mean the kid should be choking too?
Next, the 20 ft. jump. The difference between you and Daredevil is that Daredevil trained to be an acrobat and could do something like roll at the last minute, thus turning his downward momentum into forward inertia (God, I hope I got that right), while you are an out-of-shape dude like me and have the acrobatic skill of the average platypus; namely, none.
Then on to the whole "Brainless but Aware" thing. The way they describe Vapora kinda reminds me of the Deities in the Persona video game series. In those games, the deities (mostly the villainous forces) are constructs formed by the collective conscious of humanity, representing a single aspect of mankind (the need to destroy oneself and the world around it, escape pain via death, delude oneself from truth, etc.). With one exception, all of these beings have personality, are capable of thought and planning, and orchestrate the schemes in each game. However, they can be considered mindless, as what they do is solely dictated by what they believe mankind's will truly wants, no matter how detrimental it is, and never put any thought to any alternatives until a strong enough will channeling the will of others comes and proves them wrong. In this light, Vapora could be considered to represent mankind's absentmindedness and how it will ultimately cause harm. And don't tell me she can't be sadistic. The very first villain of Persona, Nyarlothotep, was a scheming sadist who loved seeing humanity suffer. Mind you, my thoughts might be giving this comic WAY too much credit.
Hey, wait a minute! The mom and sister came up the stairs to get to the morons. How can they be in a garage? Most garages tend to be at ground level or the lowest floor of a building. And this room doesn't look like it's part of a parking deck. This makes the cleaning of the motorcycle even more idiotic. Also, I'm pretty sure the friend was the one who was supposed to say "Don't sweat it, bit the artist screwed up.
Also, you are wrong about how "sound doesn't work that way." Or did you forget about dog whistles and how their sound is at a frequency humans can't hear? Now, I'll admit to being a very casual fan of Daredevil, and thus don't know if he can hear sounds at frequencies normal humans can't. But even if he can't, that's not what you said, Link.
Finally, I'm surprised you didn't make the obvious joke with 90's Kid. And before you say anything, at this point in the show, he totally would've said something stupid like this:
"DUUUUDE! I just figured out the most metal way to clean stuff. WITH GASOLINE! The only way it could be more awesome is if you shot the gasoline out of GUUUUUUUUNS!"
Then again, maybe you didn't want to portray him as being as stupid as these nimrods in the comic.
Other than all that, great episode for a comic that deserves the burns.