Does it Make You Faster: First Impression of Fanatec Clubsport DD+
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0:00 - Fanatec Clubsport DD+ Intro
0:32 - Is it Better Than GT DD Pro?
0:55 - QR2 Installation and Mounting
2:05 - Clubsport DD+ Settings Discussion
3:55 - Fanatec Clubsport DD+ Settings
4:37 - Performance
6:50 - Conclusion
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Good and fair assessment - Timekiller also bought one and his summary was its just a DD Pro with more power available that you wont use or something like that
Yeah, at the moment that is the case. But what we don't know yet is what the impact of Fullforce will be in the future. Hopefully PD is quick with the implementation
Thanks for the detailed review
I just got the extreme bundle upgrading from a g29. I got the wheel rim but I also plan to get the McLaren gt3 wheel but now that way I’ll have 2 rims. Didn’t really think I needed the podium as I’m not really trying to go above 10 or 12 nm other than just for the novelty of feeling it out. I don’t want to be exhausted. But I’m super excited. Also luckily a day after I bought the bundle some guy randomly put his v3 pedals up for sale right down the street.
Now I just need to upgrade my chassis and then pc and I’m all good
Dd pro with 8nm upgrade and qr2 is your best bet these days. Fairly affordable for what you are getting.
As an DD Plus owner, I would agree. Just wondering what Full Force can bring to my DD Plus
@@giogamer4825when did you order your ddplus? I ordered oct 20, canceled jan3.
@@giogamer4825 nothing until games are using full force ?
@@giogamer4825 you don’t think the DD+ is worth the investment over the DD pro 8Nm then ? 🤔🤔
@@Calsonic8899 The DD Pro has good power, but if I look at my own case now, I have the DD+, but have the FFB to 50%, what is just above the constant torque on the DD Pro i had around 80% in game. I had the money, so that is the reason I did go to DD+. But is it a gamer changer (without Full Force at this moment March 2024), No. Just my opinion. If you have the DD Pro at max in game, then it is time for DD/DD+, as it give you enough headroom and no clipping
Even though I don't understand All the little details (for now) and can't really get better gear right now, I like to know what's out there. Love your honest point of view on these things. Thank you!
Hi very cool video i own a dd pro base and i started racing online only since last sptember. Until noe i just played gt but now i like to try out iracing do you think my wheelbase is good enough or do i should upgrade?
Thank you for the good video 👍🏻
The question I've been asking myself since the launch of the Club Sport DD+ isn't whether it's more powerful or faster than the DD PRO (i have 8 Nm), but are there more feedback details than the DD PRO that are worth €1000?
On GT7
Well if it's ps5 base yes. Because the dd prod is 600 for the 8nm base alone now. The dd+ is 999 in that case ido feel its worth it and you will never need to upgrade. Also you will have headroom in pc sim racing. I think about longevity, not just what's this money costing me up front.
But yes especially on gt7 it's worth feeling more since gt7 ffb is soso subpar. So the 15nm is going to help. Also the slew rate of 6.2nm/ms which means it is officially the fastest wheel on the market for said forced to transfer through the wheel. Well ots as fast as the best 30nm wheels that is. Also the full force coming will be a further nice addition. All I know is the dd+ has the best ffb I've ever felt.
Do you think that you should’ve just upgraded your old base to 8nm. What do you think you’re going to get out of this new wheel base that you would get out of a 8nm base upgrade when you said that you don’t really to much higher than 5nm?
Hey,
We're 3 months later. What's your opinion about the wheel now? Only playing PS5 zo mainly GT7 and F1. Should I save up to get the DD+ or will the DD pro be more than enough?
Thx
Wait till it turns itself into a paper weight and you have to wait weeks for a reply from Fanatec. Mine along with many others have had this issue.
Great review i have just done my first session witn mine in game ffb8 and wheel at 60 felt great where can i find your settings only seem to find the dd pro ones. Thanks
4:02 in the video 😆
Honest review, appreciated
I got better in F1 23 on pc with clubsport DD+ wheelbase. I had the csl DD 8nm, but i like to feel the curve and road in the wheel. 100% on the base and 50% ingame and road and curve at 65%. Maybe 8nm is not powerful to handle all that. Csl DD i had to use 70% ffb ingame. I love the 15nm on my clusport DD+ and i will never go back to less. Can't wait for fullforce to be inn the games im playing
Same idk what it is but it is the only wheelbase ive ever used that made me feel faster wnd more connected. Its almost like there is less understeer and now I can turn in way way easier.
Cool review 👍
Thanks! 👍
I had the DD Pro 8nm on my reinforced Playseat Challenge, but sold the base for a good price and went to the DD Plus. It is really strong and I did dial the FFB down to around 50% on F1 2023 and ACC. Both on Ps5. I still feel the FFB power is very constant while driving. Looking forward to what Full Force can brings. If I had to look at value/quality, I would have stay on the DD Pro 8nm but would have gone to the QR2, just because of clipping. But for now, I am happy with my DD Plus base on my reinforced Playseat Challenge with the V3 pedals and Formula V2.5 wheel
Have you played the PS4 Assetto Corsa with the CS DD+? I have the 8nm DD pro and find it plenty strong especially for GT7, ACC and F1.
The only reason I’m thinking of upgrading to DD+ is maybe for a bit more strength in some ACC cars but especially for AC Ultimate Edition PS4 game which I think is a good game but lacks force feedback strength.
@@Wotwudino I dont have AC, so cannot say anything about the FFB. I know AC2 is coming this year.
@@giogamer4825 thanks mate, worth it if you can find it cheap and looks decent on PS5. Yeah hanging for AC2!
@Wotwudino it's crazy because imo OG ac has some of the best ffb but just not on direct drive wheels haha. That's a game that proves it was made for belt driven wheels because god the cswv2.5 was good on it!
But the 15nm on the dd+ makes it so that feeling comed back yes you will like it alot more on ac. You almost need it because of how the game was designed and you will finsply get to feel the potential it had the whole time.
@@reviewforthetube6485 thanks mate, yeah just got my CS DD+ last week but haven’t tried AC yet only ACC.
Funny what you said about belt driven wheels and OG AC. I think I had the csl elite when I first bought it.
I just remember telling mates how good it was for force feedback especially for an old game, mind you Project Cars 2 still feels great. I’m only on PlayStation though so can’t comment on PC versions of anything.
The CS DD+ is sooo strong, still gotta fine tune it I guess.
I just wish there was a game that had the best of everything like GT7 graphics with PC2 cars and circuits with ACC FOV adjustments and a mix of force feedback from ACC, AC and PC2.
Hopefully AC2 is close to that!
i ordered on nov 7 but orders on nov 24 got shipped out first.. im so pissed off with fanatec.. bloody hell ship by order basis
Now i have a thrustmaster t300 is it better to go to a DD Pro (8Nm) or to go for the DD+??
Hard to do a complete review when full force hasn’t been implemented yet in any game. Maybe it won’t take that long. I’m curious to see how and if it’s worth it to upgrade
Why do you have the natural damper so low while having it on 50 on the dd pro???
I reduced that to 25 later, but on this wheelbase it just feels like too much dampening.
Idk about yall but it did indeed somehow make me faster. Even the first day 1/10th every lap on avergae . Next day made my PBs for entire runs. Idk what it is about this wheelbase but it makes me feel more attatched and somehow makes me feel like I have less unsersteer. Blows my mind guys. Even super gt was shocked when he made 3 of his best lap times and yall know hes been playing gt7 for years.
First base I can truely say made me faster or I should say more consistent which made me faster lol.
Absolutely love mine. However, I had to dial down the FF with the 270mm F1 wheel due to hand cramping and fatigue. My 320mm TURN rim is amazingly smooth with this base and I'm turning better times than with the F1 rim.
That’s f1, gotta build those muscles for it for sure . 320 is very unrealistic for f1 cars imo
@@erikgonzalez2486 agree. It feels big and goofy too but man I hit those apexes with it.. I have a 290 GT wheel coming which I think will be the sweet spot for me.
@@bobdonovan34 that’s true 290 is in fact the sweet spot for f1!
How do you adjust the power on the wheelbase?
Okay thanks for this impression.
I have the DD Pro but the only downside is the QR1-lite system.. after some time I got noises and a nasty rattle on the wheel. I fixed it by putting a piece of tape on the shaft. Now the wheel is firmly connected with zero play. 5NM for me is more than enough.. I play at 33% too! {in-game setting at 3} so basically 1.6 ffb for me I think😅 but it feels the same as my own real car 😊.
If you can afford it get rid of the QR lite and get at least the QR1. You will not regret it
@@savageduck4487Yes I agree but i want the QR2, that's much more sturdy and stable.. I'll wait for a nice black friday deal😊
i recommend you to buy the 8nm boost kit for your dd pro,its a great upgrade
8nm DD Pro sucks, fanatec changed mainboard of mine still same heating issue. Maybe they solved heating issue on this wheel, but I still have doupts...
Never had heating isuue
@@jimlansa7098me nether. Never even heard about a heating issue.
Any coil whine on urs?
Wow you really don't like center forces do you? That's kind of the plus with dd wheels. But great video man. I will say people are to worried about lower settings but sometimes it can feel great. This wheel is very very strong like wow strong for a 15nm base because it's center forces stay 100% of the time they have 0 dips so it feels stronger then most and all forces it can hold for an unlimited amount of time which is why most will find themselves using less overall ffb strength.
Let you know if i ever get it pre ordered in nov and new bundles are being received within two weeks id say im selling my new ecosystem unused with or without the wheel and base
I tried those settings but for me it’s very light and can’t feel enough details.
When I bought the 8Nm booster kit for my DD pro it made a huge difference in the feel of the car’s grip levels in GT7 for me, so why wouldn’t the DD + be even better ?
I kept my force feedback on 100 on the wheel and I’m running between 8-10 in game depending on what car.
I had 8-10 too but when you Set it to 6 then you have much more Feedback. Yes, less Power but I feel it much faster when I lose the rear
@@cenkeragdas5729 is that still with 100% force feedback on the wheel ?
At lower levels the car just feels like it’s floating on the track and it’s hard to judge the tyres grip level.
@Calsonic8899 yes with force 100. Rory Alexander has a Short with the setting gt World Tour driver use. I just lowered the damper and ingame I made max torque to 6 (they use 3)
@@cenkeragdas5729 but what wheelbase are they using ?
I’ve tried using Rory’s settings before and they are just far too soft for me … I’m using similar settings to what Kie25 uses and find it much better.
Yes the dd+ will give you even more while not needing to go 8 to 10. The way the peak torque works you will will be using it around 6 and going holy crap why is it so much stronger even only using 60% lol. The details and weight feel. The biggest difference for me is the weight feel so you feel the car slipping so much easier. Catches are so much easier because of the constant torque it can create. Instead of being slightly loose then loosening more you will feel the car and it will be nice and heavy the good kind of heavy when you dive into a corner and then it will loosen but try to catch and you will feel it. Its so do nice and all of the fine details are so good! So all of the clipping ypu will get with the inm won't be there running it at 6 and you are getting more performance.
Settings for forza Motorsport please, there’s no manual pdf download on Fanatec’s for the abbreviated settings on the base
I'm still rocking my CSL Elite since 2018. 😅
It was pretty decent for GT Sport.
But since GT7 released I feel like I am significantly slower.
For example, I used to turn 1:59's in Bathurst with soft racing tires in GT Sport (League racing with high tyre wear).
In GT7 I struggle to even get under 2:01's.
Would you recommend upgrading?
TheKie25 is using the elite and he is extremly quick😅
@@cenkeragdas5729
Nope, he uses the GT DD Pro.
It's clearly stated on his RUclips channel. 😅
Its not the wheelbase of course
The difference can be maximum like 1/2 tenths when you are used to it
Hi Yannick. I’m also using the CSL elite. I’m struggling to find good settings. Can you share yours please ? 😊
@@YannickS1984 haha sorry. It really looks like an elite when streaming
What are your thoughts on the formula 2.5 now with the additional weight? Also, what are your button assignments for gt7? Great review! Thanks!
I too, would like to know your button assignment on your wheel.
I'll check out and post on discord tomorrow
Not much, really, the QR1 is not significantly lighter. I think it would be slightly better with QR1 (more details) but overall I'm really happy with the base. I'll post tomorrow when I get on the rig.
@@DigitRacingDG I finally installed my QR2 last night on my DD Pro, GT and McLaren wheels. The wheel side QR1 is 292 grams, and the QR2 is 409 grams. The base side QR1 is 190 grams, forgot to weight the QR2 before I installed it. I didn't notice the weight increase.
@@scottelam9270what do you think about the upgrade to QR2 ? Does it feel any better ?
I’ve got a 8 Nm DD pro with a QR1 just wondering if it’s worth the upgrade.
Hi Mihael. Your observation that 5nm is all that is needed is an important one. I agree.
Your additional comment about the rationale for getting a wheel with greater torque is equally valid. ie. to avoid clipping. I, too, have a DD Pro (8nm) which I was by and large happy with
I have bought a Logitech G Pro, which I'm VERY happy with, and have set the DD Pro up on my weekend rig (at my partner's - Anita says "Hi!" - house). It was only when I had my first session back on the DD Pro, after a long break, that I realised that I'd been experiencing clipping.
I fixed that by reducing the torque, as you suggested, to remove clipping. God, the wheel beforehand just went dead for a split second under load, when I most needed to 'feel' feedback.
The new Fanatec wheel does look awesome. I hope the company fixes their customer support issues, because the community needs more competition.
Well done, my friend.
What settings are you using?
Is there a way of measuring how many NMs you're using ? Even the CSL Elite has 6nm but I have no idea how much I use and how that translates compared to the DD Pro 5nm or 8nm.
Also Fanatec always recommend high wheel setting and lower in-game settings as signals from games can damage the wheel if in-game settings are too high, noted that some players get a sudden heavy wheel whilst playing GT7 , well that's why, for me 7 10 in-game is way too high, I think mine is half that on both like 4 5 , everything on CSL 100 but FEI is off because of clipping
For example when you have the base at 35 like I have now, that is multiplied by the max base output = 15nm x 0,35 (35%) = 5,25 Nm and then further multiplied with in-game settings. 7 FFB in-game is 70% x 5,25 NM = 3,675. And we can say that I have a dynamic range of 5.25 Nm and further limited the base to 3,68 Nm. It's hard to find balance, but I guess you simply have to try and see what feels better.
@@DigitRacingDG When you say you have the base at 35 where does that figure come from ? A setting ? Cheers
That's the FFB setting on the wheel
@@DigitRacingDG Got ya sort of makes sense, like I mentioned Fanatec do recommend 100 on FFB and also on the fanatec forum you'll find settings set by Maurice for all wheels, CSL, DD Pro.
Some players on GT have issues with a stiff wheel and I think it's because in-game settings are too high.
I tried the settings you showed.. but something didn't feel right, at first i thought wauw amazing stuff but then i kept crashing and making allot mistakes. With your settings apart from the ffb {on my dd pro} the wheel didn't feel "natural" ... On a straight line it was okay but as soon i turn the wheel a slightly bit it felt weird and took allot of my attention 😢 i couldn't get used to it..
Im now using auto custum settings in standard mode {turned down only FFB to 40} and it felt allot smoother and did a lap without any crashings or mistakes.. i dont know man.. i think your settings gave me too much information or something too less? Kept crashing and spinning without notice {very little information coming trough?}
When it comes to wheel force and how you feel 5Nm is enough, can you make a video going into more description about this? My wheel goes to 11. I've tried it everywhere from 3-11 and have settled on 9 giving me the most consistency. I know that things can vary from one manufacturer to another for settings and feel, but aside from clipping, I'd like to know if there are other reasons to use less force.
So...... Ffb is trying to simulate more than what you would experience in a real car. It is putting through info that you would in a real actually experiencing through your butt. 5nm is more than enough to know what the car is doing without over loading the base, ur senses and actual force needed to get a solid consistent lap time.
What are your in-game settings?
I'd have the wheelbase set to maximum then adjust in game for the force level you prefer. As far as i'm aware that's how to get the most definition in the force feedback.
I recently just bought an aftermarket power supply to get the 8nm from my csl dd and the main difference was no clipping which gave me increased feel of the lower end forces.
With the 5 nm i was getting a dead feeling every time the force spiked high and caused clipping.
@@neilbezuidenhout9284 this is why I'm trying to figure it out. I've been doing auto x and track days for a number of years and every car has a different steering feel/weight which can then be manipulated by tire size/width and compound. I tend to drive better with cars that have a heavier feel irl. Now I am trying to figure out how mimic this for the game since I am pretty new to it
@@DigitRacingDG torque has been back and forth between 6-7, sensitivity has been 10 for a few months. I'm guessing rim diameter will play a role as well since a larger rim will make it easier to overcome torque. My rim is 300mm
What an odd take to say only 5nm is needed. You lose so much fidelity by neutering the output power that much.
Another honest review…huge respect for telling the truth 👍❤️ this will help a lot of people make an informed decision about a potential purchase…GG Mihael
I appreciate that!
Are u still happy with these settings or have u changed much since?
Still working on them, I'll update soon on that
hey im new i have the club 2.5 base and the formula 2.5x do i need podium hub for the dd+ base or only qr2 system
DD+ comes with qr2, so you only need wheel side qr2
@@DigitRacingDG thx alot!
If you want to know what Full Force is like. Ask your friends for Dualsens PS5, connect it via USB to the PC, set audio output through Dualsens ps5 and connect headphones to Dualsens ps5. Go to any game, preferably F1. And you will understand what we are talking about and what Fanatec is trying to bring to the table with the help of sound effects. Personally, in my opinion, this will interfere with the DD motor since it is literally interference, or more precisely noise, for the quality of the FFB. So I'm sure 90% of people will say WOOW this is cool but I won't use it. So I don’t need to feel the gear shift using the steering wheel. Feeling the rotation of the engine will not help me in terms of lap speed. Also, I don’t need the sounds of curbs because there is an effect of curbs initially. This is the conclusion you will come to.
Is this the same dimensions as the csl dd but just longer?
yep
worth selling my dd2 for this wheel base?
I have a thrustmaster t300, should i get the dd pro? Because the im fed up with the t300 it got old and the ffb is not that strong so does the dd pro worth it?
Simply said, yes
@@DigitRacingDG thanks digit your the best
I have a T300 too and looking a DD option. This is really useful. 👍
That was exactly my upgrade and it’s worth it for sure. Unfortunately some games need a lot of adjusting to make them feel good and the t300 is it’s best always depending on the game
Your wheel looks pretty heavy. Possibly it‘s beneficial to lower NFR. Or even set it to OFF.
It seems you have allot of knowledge. I have the DD Pro, I play mainly GT7. I want all the details {but very smooth etc} not the strength turning the wheel ending up the race with my pants wet and muscle strain the next morning 😊
What do you recommend?
@@N-e.osmoothness is done by increasing INT. Details by lowering dampening NDP.
@@vb_matic4166 will try this out thanks 🙏🏽
You can't say somebody doesn't need more than 5nm. Gt3 cars are around 8 or 10 nm in real life. Old f1 cars are around 20 nm. So please know this fact
Same. Those who are using low forces either are oblivious to what real cars are like, or only care about lap times and not realism.
The DD+ is perfect for anyone wanting to replicate GT3 class.
But for anyone wanting to replicate old race cars or open wheel, the DD+ will end up clipping.
@@liquidsk8s I had the dd1 n i now have the dd plus. I doubt the dd plus will clip
@@moStallion it depends on what car you’re trying to replicate. IE if you try to run max force and want average cornering forces of 15Nm for say a GT car, then the DD+ will end up clipping. But if you plan to stay closer to 10Nm it will be fine.
@@liquidsk8s who said the new ddplus will clip at 15nm?
@@moStallion it’s simply a fact. If you want to have your average cornering force at 15Nm, then you have nothing left for other forces. So if suddenly the game tries to send it 16-18Nm, you’ll get clipping.
Interesting that you intentionally limit the maximum possible Torque Output to just 5.25Nm by reducing FFB strength to 35%... With such a Low FFB setting the CS DD+ is overkill and you might be better suited with the GT DD PRO and save some money...😅
He explained why.. to avoid clipping in some other games. {Even though the base handles 8NM} but there are some problems with the QR 1 lite, it is too weak to handle those forces constantly.
@@N-e.o well when you actively limit the maximum possible Torque Output to 5.25 Nm then you actually will get more clipping in every game as the motor cuts every Signal which is stronger than 5.25 Nm... With that setting and in GT7 strength set to 7 you actually WILL get clipping...
Yes, I don't really need more than 5nm. Everything else feels like I'm fighting the wheel and not getting enough focus on the track and driving. I tried keeping the wheel FFB at 100 and lowering in-game settings to 2. There was a lot of feedback, but not really the necessary one; in my view, it was simply distracting. I found my balance there; some may like it, some may not.
Just to mention ACC here, the reduction of "gain" in the game is simply something I wanted to avoid since it just cuts all the information from the base. Therefore, I reduced the FFB and increased the gain to 75.
To me, having to fight the wheelbase is simply distracting, and I am not really getting the benefit of it, even if the base is sometimes clipping.
iRacing on the other hand, was really good.
Additionally, heating issue may arise when using the wheel at maximum torque. Lifespan will be better as well when using wheel in lower torque.
@@paianys not true. The motor can handle the full Power with no issues, heat is absolutely no issue on a CS DD, unlike competitor bases.....
Yeah "you don't need more than 5nm" lol that's your choice id say around 8nm is where you want to be and for some cars up to 12nm. My old CS 2.5 belt drive is 8nm can't really imagine going down to 5nm on a DD.
I dont think imporving lap time is answering the question of if the wheelbase is good, there's too many variables.
The problem is all opinions and reviews are invalid when full force comes out. Full force may be nothing or may be the best thing in the world. We just don’t know. What we do know is Fanantec is really selling the technology of full force and until its implement we don’t know.
I am personally running a CSL Elite and waiting for the full force to come out. I may buy a second hand DD pro or get a DD + as in my opinion. They are the exactly same unit just will full force and more NM. Only time will tell.
I just wanna know how it works. Playing wreck fest. GT7 and games like that are just polished super Mario kart
Natural frequency, inertia and interpolation makes it feel worse for me, I like those off with maxed out FFB and FOR on the wheel base. I feel like I'm missing something if I go with a lower FOR on the base.
The issue is absolutely not 8nm, but rather the game and the worst FFB optimization. Since the game is initially created for Dualsens and XBOX gamepad. As soon as you enter Motorist or ACC or other simulators. You have a certain woow effect, is it possible that my DD 8nm base wants to break my hands. At the same time, the 900° base driver has 100% power, but in the game it is only 55-60%. So the point is absolutely not that 8nm is not enough, but that the F1 developers have not changed FFB since the release of GRID AUTOSPORT. It is quite similar to the game of 2014 and F1 of all FFB championships has not been changed for almost 10 years.
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on PC much better effects as PS5 GT
Thumbs down because you said “all you need is 5nm”. Not good advice.
I upgraded from 5 to 8. Big difference, more realistic, more detail etc. the podium is 20nm, sooo…
“Headroom” is important, by that I mean, having more available power isn’t only to make it harder to steer. By having “left over” power you can channel it to things like engine vibration, wheel spin/slip, collisions, road details etc. The things that are mentioned regarding the upcoming full force upgrade being worked on with PD. Not to mention the new protocols, motor config etc.
This is a (not fully implemented) good step in a good direction. Not to mention that the connector is better as well.
I have had the QR1 for a year after ditching the horrible 1st gen GT pro wheel, garbage.
The QR1 was better, but… now I am noticing that it is wearing out and getting loose 😮. I am by no means a pro and only race about 1.5 hours per day, EVERY day, should it really be slipping already 🤷🏻
5nm when your built like a. Duck run it max nm n ffb if you want all the details
Bro with all du respect. 5Nm is too much. Tried it once and it felt like turning a concrete mixer😮
Never again😂
I am slower. I am moving from a controller!!
The whole point is to get detail with high end wheelbases, and immersion and realism, not lap times, yes it will help very slightly in lap times aswell but thats not the point. Ur settings are wrong and u even admitted it, just put the in game setting to about 2 or 3 and leave the wheel ffb to 100. U cant really review the wheelbase when u clearly reduced the detail n admitted to it of the base when that is the whole point of the base.
"Realism not laptimes" may be some peoples objective, but it's equally valid to have enough detail to understand what the car is doing and have a comfortable force for long sessions. Many sim pro drivers run very light ffb.
@@DingbatToast and use grip hacks to exploit and maximise the imperfect physics of the game code, they should become accountants and play excel sheets next, better prize money
It doesn't because Fanatec don't send orders out lol
Sponsored?
No he bought with his own money a few months ago it only just arrived