the reason toriel showed up was because flowey went and told her the human was dead, undyne didnt care about the fact he killed the kid she was angry because sans took the souls for himself
To be honest Seraphim isn't really a god tier. The humans souls work differently in different AUs, its all left to the author's interpretation so they can't be used to scale a character. For example, just one human soul is enough to scale Delta to city block level while 6 human souls wouldn't make Ultra sans even close to wall level. If we try to scale Seraphim with actual feats and statements then i don't see how he could scale any higher than small building level, and i'm being generous. He has been stated by Asgore to be a god only among monsters and that he wouldn't stand a chance against humanity, while people like Error could just effortessly destroy universes. Seraphim's best feat is also beating a featless Gaster so yeah. People like Nightmare and Error would make quick work of him.
That’s fair, thats why I was on the fence about it going off “Maybe’s” instead of definitives. Going off feats alone Seraphim is wack. But going off assumptions, he maybbeeee could be a lot stronger than we are lead to believe but well probably never see the creator say who there stronger against so idk lol
@@Happeey12 we probably will never see him using his full potential against a strong opponent since the canon comic is 7 years old, he could have been a lot stronger, but seeing by what he has shown to be capable to do in the comic and feats-wise he's probably a wall to small building level. In Alphatale on the other end Seraphim has shown to be a full on God power level wise, he kept up against 404 (404 got a lot stronger now, it was just an early and untrained version of him) and yeeted Error away without problems.
Eh there’s some statements from Chara sans that basically says he is universal ( seraphim says he can rebuild the undertale world + defeating fanon gaster + being able to control the files) so he is decent I can say he beats error quite easily but stops there
@@bruhntastic3021 All Seraphim has been stated to be able to do is reset the timeline like Frisk and that it could possibly lead to the universe's destruction because the timeline was collapsing. Nothing more. The code based abilities won't scale him anywhere without contex, he hasn't shown to do anything impressive with them. That Gaster was littlerally featless and statementless but Seraphim still struggled against him. And to be fair, Error is low complex multiversal, the dude isn't even close, not even canon Chara is.
Undyne was angry due to sans taking the souls. Undyne only knows that sans stats are only 1 so she is angry that asgore did not absorb the souls who's stats are far greater than sans not knowing that sans alone can level the whole underground by himself.
From my understanding of the story heres what happens Sans covers camera at the start of ruins, Sans teleports frisk to the judgement hall,steals soul. thats my understanding of what happens since it covers the covered camera at the start when alphys said it along with the fact that papyrus has seemingly no clue on who the human is with lines such as "my brother would probably flood you with a torrent of awful puns" So that leads to my understanding of undyne possibly thinking that they snuck the human past her to kill them which from that perspective it seems fucked up
In terms of story seraphim got the best after alivetale Powerscaling seraphim is actually hard heck am a say he is from building to maybe universal( am saying universal bc of the statement that basically can put him at it ( the statement from sans Chara and even gaster said seraphim by just continuing he gonna make the world collapse which is insane thing + Chara saying that seraphim can literally destroy the world + seraphim making a coby of his own world )
This is just because the timeline is unstable, it wouldn't randomly scale Seraphim to universal dude. Seraphim can reset, just like Frisk, he can't destroy the world and has never been stated to be able to, at the end of the comic they are forced to choose beetween going forward with the possibility of the timeline getting erased or reset everything. That's it.
@@idk-cj8mn seraphim sans is by far one of the most strongest sans to the point error avoids his timeline as seraphim sans was able to hurt 404 sans or "the god of multiverses".
Powerscaling for this guy is really hard and confusing, lets take ultra sans for example which is sans with 6 souls and he probably be able to destroy everyone up to chars like nightmare and others, some aus work differently when it comes to the power of souls, but if we take the stats of monsters seriously, then he does have infinite stats(based on asriel) which would technically make him a god, the only way i can see him losing is by erasure by people like error404 and possibly fatal error? Theres one thing for sure, hes a beast but a confusing beast that varies.
@@THEGREAT_PAPYRUS Actually he does and even has a dialogue for it "I tried to negotiate with him, but he wouldn't budge so I had no choice but to take them by force, a single life for a better future isn't that bad of a deal after all, a king must do anything for his peoples safety."
i really like your videos but there is just one thing i don't really like about your channel, and it's the audio. like at the start of the video it's really loud for no reason then once you cut to you talking it's quiet, so either have all the audio be quiet or have all the audio be normal sounding. don't really got any complants besides from that, very imformitive and fun to watch videos and i can't wait to see what's next
Thanks for the criticism, the mic I have makes me come out as quiet most of the time so I try to level it out by raising it to a certain level. When I heard it over it sounded fine. I’ll try to fix that next video
Unfortunately Seraphim Sans is weak due to many things Lack of feats: the fights is based on stats, it doesn't scale them anywhere 2: he has 1 hp and 1 atk....do I have to explain this? 3: all we can do is Scale him from classic at best..
the reason toriel showed up was because flowey went and told her the human was dead, undyne didnt care about the fact he killed the kid she was angry because sans took the souls for himself
We also need to remember thet he was weaken in the fight and (not exsperience in his body and ability) not 100% willing to fight gaster
welp seraphim sans without the souls can beat a off guard frisk making him top tier fiction but if he gets the 7 souls he becomes fodder cool.
I remember reading this and i loved this thanks for reviewing this au
It's funny. I find this when I just watch revolver animation of our favorite gods skeleton boy versus ultra sands
Same lol
Because I've haven't seen someone talk about this but. Canon Ultra! Sans doesn't use 6 souls in the original animation.
To be honest Seraphim isn't really a god tier. The humans souls work differently in different AUs, its all left to the author's interpretation so they can't be used to scale a character. For example, just one human soul is enough to scale Delta to city block level while 6 human souls wouldn't make Ultra sans even close to wall level. If we try to scale Seraphim with actual feats and statements then i don't see how he could scale any higher than small building level, and i'm being generous. He has been stated by Asgore to be a god only among monsters and that he wouldn't stand a chance against humanity, while people like Error could just effortessly destroy universes. Seraphim's best feat is also beating a featless Gaster so yeah. People like Nightmare and Error would make quick work of him.
That’s fair, thats why I was on the fence about it going off “Maybe’s” instead of definitives.
Going off feats alone Seraphim is wack. But going off assumptions, he maybbeeee could be a lot stronger than we are lead to believe but well probably never see the creator say who there stronger against so idk lol
@@Happeey12 we probably will never see him using his full potential against a strong opponent since the canon comic is 7 years old, he could have been a lot stronger, but seeing by what he has shown to be capable to do in the comic and feats-wise he's probably a wall to small building level. In Alphatale on the other end Seraphim has shown to be a full on God power level wise, he kept up against 404 (404 got a lot stronger now, it was just an early and untrained version of him) and yeeted Error away without problems.
Eh there’s some statements from Chara sans that basically says he is universal ( seraphim says he can rebuild the undertale world + defeating fanon gaster + being able to control the files) so he is decent I can say he beats error quite easily but stops there
@@bruhntastic3021 All Seraphim has been stated to be able to do is reset the timeline like Frisk and that it could possibly lead to the universe's destruction because the timeline was collapsing. Nothing more. The code based abilities won't scale him anywhere without contex, he hasn't shown to do anything impressive with them. That Gaster was littlerally featless and statementless but Seraphim still struggled against him. And to be fair, Error is low complex multiversal, the dude isn't even close, not even canon Chara is.
Someone Has Said That Seraphim Had Went Against Error404 And Cut Off his Arm But Once Error404 Got Slightly Serious He Made Seraphim His Puppet
Undyne was angry due to sans taking the souls. Undyne only knows that sans stats are only 1 so she is angry that asgore did not absorb the souls who's stats are far greater than sans not knowing that sans alone can level the whole underground by himself.
From my understanding of the story heres what happens Sans covers camera at the start of ruins, Sans teleports frisk to the judgement hall,steals soul. thats my understanding of what happens since it covers the covered camera at the start when alphys said it along with the fact that papyrus has seemingly no clue on who the human is with lines such as "my brother would probably flood you with a torrent of awful puns" So that leads to my understanding of undyne possibly thinking that they snuck the human past her to kill them which from that perspective it seems fucked up
Good explaining friend, keep it up. Maybe do revenge papyrus next?
In terms of story seraphim got the best after alivetale
Powerscaling seraphim is actually hard heck am a say he is from building to maybe universal( am saying universal bc of the statement that basically can put him at it ( the statement from sans Chara and even gaster said seraphim by just continuing he gonna make the world collapse which is insane thing + Chara saying that seraphim can literally destroy the world + seraphim making a coby of his own world )
This is just because the timeline is unstable, it wouldn't randomly scale Seraphim to universal dude. Seraphim can reset, just like Frisk, he can't destroy the world and has never been stated to be able to, at the end of the comic they are forced to choose beetween going forward with the possibility of the timeline getting erased or reset everything. That's it.
@@idk-cj8mn seraphim sans is by far one of the most strongest sans to the point error avoids his timeline as seraphim sans was able to hurt 404 sans or "the god of multiverses".
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this is so cool u should do killer sans or dusttrust
Powerscaling for this guy is really hard and confusing, lets take ultra sans for example which is sans with 6 souls and he probably be able to destroy everyone up to chars like nightmare and others, some aus work differently when it comes to the power of souls, but if we take the stats of monsters seriously, then he does have infinite stats(based on asriel) which would technically make him a god, the only way i can see him losing is by erasure by people like error404 and possibly fatal error? Theres one thing for sure, hes a beast but a confusing beast that varies.
Correction: Ultra Sans doesn’t have 6 souls
@@coolgaming9868 there are a lot of fan games where sans kill asgore and takes the six souls to turn into ultra sans.
@@harshitchoudhary2759sans didn't kill asgore that's probably dusttale ultra
@@coolgaming9868yes he does bro
@@THEGREAT_PAPYRUS Actually he does and even has a dialogue for it "I tried to negotiate with him, but he wouldn't budge so I had no choice but to take them by force, a single life for a better future isn't that bad of a deal after all, a king must do anything for his peoples safety."
2:57 the arms are likely like that to show he is kinda beyond humans and monsters he is a skeleton with giant wings and not very skeleton like arms.
For undyne it because sans his one of the weakest moster (from her precspectiv) and asgore needed to absorb them. sans had no autority to do this
i really like your videos but there is just one thing i don't really like about your channel, and it's the audio.
like at the start of the video it's really loud for no reason then once you cut to you talking it's quiet, so either have all the audio be quiet or have all the audio be normal sounding.
don't really got any complants besides from that, very imformitive and fun to watch videos and i can't wait to see what's next
Thanks for the criticism, the mic I have makes me come out as quiet most of the time so I try to level it out by raising it to a certain level. When I heard it over it sounded fine. I’ll try to fix that next video
Unfortunately
Seraphim Sans is weak due to many things
Lack of feats: the fights is based on stats, it doesn't scale them anywhere
2: he has 1 hp and 1 atk....do I have to explain this?
3: all we can do is Scale him from classic at best..
For 2 he has a base stat of 1 but has theoretical inf stats (like asriel)
Hey quick question I know the qna ended but what madness sans stats sorry if this to late lol
Flawer fell sans vidéo ?
Wait... i want know. Did Player spare Toriel or killed her?
I guess spare, since we still see Toriel confront Seraphim sans
@@Happeey12 that was one thing that confused me. Cuz we saw Frisk hold knife but Toriel alive it all over. It confuse to me when saw it firste time.
@@Unknow680 more like the player was playing pacifist but sans killed frisk
@@Deflamed_Sphere probye
Well, seeing as with just 6 souls, flowey was able to alter and crash the game, he might be quite powerful, i dunno.