The £8,500 Optional Gearbox
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2017
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Whilst attending a VIP customer experience with Abarth in the Swiss mountains, I get my hands on a 695 Biposto equipped with the dog-ring gearbox, an £8,500 option.
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If you crash your car into a lake you can just tell the police you were trying to give it... abarth.
Jayceon of for fuck sake
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Shortly after filming this a man came along and started hitting Sam. When Sam asked why he was hitting him, the man replied I don't like your altitude.
*slow clap*
genius
Just the fact that this car exists with this gearbox should be applauded. A lot of car companies are run by people who don't give a damn about cars, I can almost imagine the Abarth guys begging Fiat in the business case to let them put this gearbox in a 500! Superb!
Fozee Black it's not road legal either. The only comparable Mini would be the GP but the reality is that's another notch up on the power scale and is only ever the run out model.
Fozee Black everyone understands it's very expensive but that's almost acceptable because of its uniqueness and rarity. Personally I still think the performance is very good from what is ultimate a modified Fiat 500 chassis. 0-60 in 5.7 and over 140mph. Without compromising the usability and reliability of the vehicle there isn't much more you can get out of such a small FWD Fiat 500! Of course if you compare it price wise apples to apples then yeah it looks horribly expensive. But it's worth understanding that very few people who buy a 695 use it as their sole car. It's aimed at people who have multiple cars and can afford to spend out somewhat lavishly on a unique toy.
Drive an Abarth... you might change your mind. Ultimately it's about the grin you have when you get out of the car and not comparing numbers on a spreadsheet.
£8500? That's bipostorous
👏Wow.
SaLAD HAHAHAHAHAHA
SaLAD he's here all week...
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get out!
That isn't a crazy price for a dog box! It's amazing they even made it an option that's seriously cool!
Blah Blah do you have anything less generic and unfunny to say?
what Im thinking !! for a real everyday car that can double as a genuine track tool can anything come close to a 695 for the money?
sugarsaint as far as an off the forecourt buy it would be hard to beat in its price point. However there are other cars on the market a little older that can be modified to do both perfectly
ah dont listen to the bumder, loving the vids. can you make more on the r34?
Bonglord thanks dude more to come soon on that! It's never worth worrying about idiots in the comments section, the whole idea in it is to discuss the content but unfunny people think they are really edgy with those replies
"Guy ruins 8,500 pound gearbox"
Lmao if the box can't handle a "getting to grips" session. It's a shit box. And i find it laughable that everyone in this comment section thinks they'd pick it up so easily. At least he's giving it a go.
These gearboxes are made to be thrashed about it can easily handle him having trouble putting it in to the right gear
that moment when your fiat is more track focused than your mclaren
not really. that moment when you write a pointless comment to get more likes. lol
That's way too much for an optional gearbox... £8,500 would buy you a VERY decent car.
if i had that id be set for a year
statesidesupercars normal price for a gearbox
statesidesupercars agreed btw I love your channel
Some people pay even more for a paint
You can prolly find used car that is faster than Abarath for that money, not better tho.
7:50 It's like watching a cow try to operate a musket.
I don't know if it's only me, but in your videos there's always some sort of glitch (for example there's one at 2:51, at least for me) and it's kinda annoying to be honest.
Update: I'm at 9 mins and it happend like 20 times.
Croc i noticed it too. I rewatched on my phone to check it wasnt my TV
yes I have it too
Croc Same here. Not really a problem with such a funny/positive dude though Thumbs up!
The first one is already at 0:22
Yep. Good thing to know other have it and it's not my graphics card going down.
7:50 sam just bashing around an 8.5k option there
University Jake lol
Sometimes with racing gearboxes they tend to be stubborn when you want to go from reverse back to first or vice versa. Some tricks to help that is pump the clutch a couple of times in neutral, or let the car slowly roll forward or backward and it should pop into gear.
With motorcycles engaging from neutral to 1st there is the same problem, but it is solved by letting the clutch slightly grab while gently press the lever into 1st gear. This results in an instant engage, no need to pump, that's why you hear most motorcycles doing that KLANK sound.
Ohh right fair enough.. But with my Skyline pumping used to work, never knew that letting it grab slightly would work too but thanks :)
Just put it on 5 and after 1st
It's the fact that synchromesh will align gear teeth, this doesn't though, so by letting the clutch spin the input shaft of the gearbox, you are able to shove it into gear while the teeth are spinning.
Can't figure out he needs to double declutch at 8:13 to get into 1st from reverse... lol
James Baggaley not every one is a racer like u
yeah, all he needed to do was lift up the clutch or let it roll back a bit
It's the same for some normal manuals too that don't synch first.
LEXUS-RX300 almost every manual car does that. It's because the gear teeth are lined up and selector fork can't push it in.
Suprahhh completely agree with that, on a dirtbike or motorcycle sometimes you have to roll to shift into first at a stop. most people dont realise they park in neutral aswell so half of that double shifting is already done
You said in the beginning of the video that the gearbox is working the other way around and that first gear is down and right. But When you didn't get in first after reversing you where putting the stick in top left. So is it or is it not a reverse gearbox?
Eric van der Meer ikr I was thinking the same thing
Eric van der Meer Yeah I thought the same at 7:20 😏
Doesn't look like a reversed. The gated thing is just at the bottom under the hinge.
I reckon reverse as in he's sitting on the correct side of the car maybe? It's kinda hard to imagine, but I figured brits and aussies are used to having to push out to get the first, and on right hand drive it's obviously pull (which is the way it's supposed to be, because it's very logical to have the least used gears further away from you).
It's just the standard H-pattern.
He's too much used to use paddle shifters to realize that there is nothing reversed in this gearbox :D
Try letting the car roll a few centimeters to shift between first and reverse.
I'm not an expert but I think that in case of an accident these racing harnesses would crush your internal with the way you are wearing them
BrianCKC95 4 point harnesses are unsafe no matter what. And harnesses in general without a helmet and a full cage are unsafe as well.
Joey Kissinger so i should not wear a helmet so my nose smashes against the windscreen?
But harnesses are still safer than a normal seatbelt, aren't they?
Bratwurst5000 not without a full cage and a helmet
Bratwurst5000 they are
try lifting the clutch pedal slightly when trying to select first gear
Hello. Can you please tell me why would you do that?
If two gears are tooth on tooth, lifting the clutch a bit will make one gear turn a little bit, so you can get it in.
Same applies to motorcycles.
I think you are doing the harness thing wrong. If you wear them like this you will just submarine out in the event of an accident. You have to have to tighten the sidebelts first and do it as tight as you can and afterwards you tighten the upper ones. The lock has to be further down.
Are those the roads on the swiss alps that are in forza motorsport? >.>
Tiametmarduk it‘s the st.gothardo
What's up with those ''glitches'' and flashes on the screen ?
I love that track screen with the gears on it.. looks really cool
should try a Caterham 620R - sequential box allows full-throttle no-lift no-clutch shifting
Jason Genova 0-60 mph in under 3 seconds
My Cobalt allows for full-throttle, no-lift shifting...
rbeaton16 cobalt still requires use of the clutch pedal, and isn't anywhere near as quick as a Caterham
And the Caterham actually offers stunning performance for it's price unlike this ball of crap. Imagine what cool track cars you could build yourself for the ca. 65k€ this thing costs in that spec on the basis of an M135i, GTI clubsport, Megane RS, Cupra 290, etc.
In Dubio Pro Porsche Thanks to import fees, assembly costs, and dealer markup, a 620R costs $100,000 here in the US
Great video Sam. FYI, when you weren't able to put it into first... it's because of how you described the gears, they literally mesh up without a syncro. So just let the clutch out a tiny bit as you are putting it into first to help align the gears. It's pretty common with these gear boxes.
The roads through the Swiss alps are amazing. Riding a bus through the alps is awesome. Looking down across a valley in the alps at the tunnel you will be driving through in 20 minutes in a bus is seriously more exciting than driving a fun car on a "fun" road. There is nothing like it. It is like driving through a painting created by angels who were car nuts. Just looking down at a zig zagging road that will in 10 turns take you down through the clouds....bliss. absolute bliss. I am a total loser so I will never get to experience it again but driving a lotus through the alps was one of the most intensely joyful experiences of my life and I was incredibly lucky to have the opportunity to enjoy it
The Susten pass is an incredible road! I was lucky enough to drive it in some pretty special cars last summer. Can't imagine how deadly it must be in winter!
Is your front camera glitching out in this video? Lots of black flashing going on throughout the video.
7:06 : is that you? Jeremy?
Seems a bit of a headache, but it's still cool! I'm glad there's manufacturers out there that do things like this!
That's awesome and from what I see worth every penny just for the fun factor!
Rah. Retrofit one pls
TGE TV new video this week?
You can change gear without a clutch on any car. You just need to make sure the revs are going up. Pretty easy on the up shift, disconcerting when you need to rev for a downshift
Rev matching the downshift is pretty easy though?
@@blzt3206 It's not difficult. It's just odd to press the accelerator to shift down
Amazing video again!:D
like the grey colour too!
Refreshingly honest video, both in the editing and narration.
The dogring gearbox seems a bit like a motorcycle gear box. Don't really need the clutch other than starting out and maybe first to second for smoother transition, but other than that just let off the gas and into the next gear. Seems like you'd want the dogring to be sequential imo. Thanks for showing something different! Very interesting and hope that you get another chance with one to get the hang of(And maybe get to track) for the full experience.
Montygue that's because motorcycle gearboxes are dogboxes
Is no heating in this car or why do you wear this ridiculous latex jacket?
Is this your first time driving a hand shifted car? Its hard to watch...
I love the roads near Andermatt! The ski slopes are pretty nice there too.
I'm more used to seeing sequential dog boxes, but the H-pattern makes WAY more sense for a vehicle that will experience significant speed changes (pulling up to an intersection, and then finding out you can yield rather than full stop and you change the target gear for example) than running a sequential. When I pinged Quaife about one and talked to other companies over the years, it was quite common to tear down the unit several times in a season and have quick ratio swap options. So they get pricey.
Also, that dog box probably has some sort of helical LSD (you know, Quaife) built into it which would also raise the price. You could probably get a clutch-type, 1-way LSD as well but the helical units are generally preferred in that FWD layout, along with some AWD combinations using it in the front and a clutch pack hybrid for the center and rear differentials.
Should of got it in yours. The hilariousness is worth it
could have, not should have.
Well at least is optional.
If you rev match you can upshifts gears and if you get a standalone ecu system and get ignition cut you can change gear without lifting of the gas as it cuts engine power for a brief second
Sweet ride! I have a 2015 Black Abarth with 230 hp but mods you must have. Go pedal, ECU, Pulley, Throttle body, intercooler, cool air intake
sam your videos glitching
Rizwan Alam I thought i was crazy, guess im not the only one.
I think the camera wasn't working well due to the temperature being too cold
Sam is going to become an Abarth 695 Biposto collector
You can change gear on any manual without using the clutch, if you release the throttle and time your shifts correctly. You can blip to downshift too. You only really need the clutch for manoeuvring and pulling away.
Hey Sam, love ur vids and your my biggest inspiration and favourite RUclipsr
That gearbox looks sick!
For that money you can buy something like a bmw e46 m3!
If it won't go into 1st at a standstill, this is because the dog teeth are not lined up. Neither the input or output shaft are spinning when the car is still and the clutch down. So, leave it in neutral, bring the clutch up, blip the throttle to spin the input shaft, and clutch back down again. Then it will go into gear! Also works for old cars with no synchro on reverse (and often 1st), and worn gearboxes.
Sam, you can do clutchless shifts with a standard gear box. Apply a bit of pressure to the gear stick, decent revs, lift off and it'll shift.
Shmee should have joined the yellow crew with his gtr
Richard Evans 100%
Jason Genova an Mercedes AMG GT-R
I wouldn't pay £8,500 for the whole car never mind the gearbox 😂😂
That's cos you probably drive an Audi or Skoda which is the same thing 😄
Graeme Kinslow bmw, but nice try 😄
@@callumpenman5992 BMW are good had a few Mini's in the past been driving Alfa's for the last 9 years love em can't afford the Alfa that I want ...I've just put a deposit down on a 1series...Hate Audi's sooo overated n mainstream
Sam when you're unable to select the gear at standstill release the clutch and then depress again. Do that anytime you are unable to select. Also try revmatching between gears.
that is a cool box. and its not that bad considering the cars start used at £38k and harnesses sam can be picked up fairly reasonably at demon tweeks or gpr.
LOL,can pick up an e46 m3 for the cost of that...smh
You would have to completely insane to even spend £1 upgrading one of those cars.
Maybe for a standard 500 but abarths are pretty sick
For that much money they should have put premium parts in the car, the AC controls, and dashboard just look way too basic all plastic parts. Disappointing
Johnoè there’s a sequential gearbox and a racing harness in there. Who the hell would want a leather dashboard or heated seats? People who buy a 695 or even a 595 want performance and sporty handling.
You are the Abarth 500 patriarch. As an Abarth owner, I love these vids! Keep up the great work.
Sam,your video's are a pleasure,more content,and produced the way these video's should be imo. Keep up the good work. Best youtuber in England by far...
You don't need an over $10K gear box to do that. clutch is only necessary for 1st and maybe 2nd gear. anything above you can shift without clutch as long as you match engine rpm to speed .
hey want to hear a joke, fiat race car.
whosAltoon look up the Fiat s76 I know it's only a 4 cylinder but...see for yourself
Not a fiat
We drove on that same exact road last year! It was too scenic to care about going very fast.
When the box doesn't want to go into gear go into neutral, disengage the clutch re-engage the clutch and try again, then it should work. Happens to me at time and that solves the issue.
You don't like it because it's not a banana coloured car
8500 pounds for a dogbox that is not i repeat NOT SEQUENTIAL .are you serious mate abarth have lost their mind
Crushonius for good sequentials you need at least 15000€
***** you can get good sequential dog boxes for around 11-12k € roughly 10k gbp . so its totally feasible as they remove the original gearbox which costs around 3k
Crushonius you're right didn't think about that..
@Seen Through Glass
When the gearbox doesnt go into first, try to accelerate a bit while you try to engage.
If that also doesnt work, put into second then into first.
Just saw you near Chelsea Harbour/Lots Road - wanted to say hi but you were heading off! The Mclaren looked amazing though!
Racing gearbox and racing harnesses on a car with less power than my motorcycle. How stupid.
Comparing cars with motorcycles, how stupid!
Anyone who knows anything about cars... know Fiats are polished crap. Same boat as Peugeot & Renault! No quality just sold for quantity. I only forgive you STG because you own a McLaren.
They charge a premium for these cars because they are terrific fun. Drove the reg 500 and I loved it can only imagine what a blast the biposto is!
you can pull your gearstick out of any gear and push it into any other gear in sequence whilst the vehicle is moving without the clutch anyway if your good at matching the revs.
btw, fwd cars are the fastest to make 180° turn on slippy surfaces. put it in reverse, let it go for a bit (2-3km/h), start appling the hanbrake and give it a good thortle and angle at steering wheel. turning arround in 1.3 your cars lenght.
what's the deal with the gearbox? is it the other way around as he said im the beginning of the video? because i saw first at top left
Are the seats lower than the standard Abarth? I have heard the standard ones drive like a van seating position.
A cool little gear box. older technology now. If clutchless changes get confusing for you. Imagine a modern motorcycle gearbox which is still manual shift but sequential and now come with not only quick shifter to go up the box but a blipper to come back down without the clutch....
Love this car and this gearbox !
Man that gearstick is beautiful sigh...a dogbox + racing harnesses for street use though? Might be fun to drive to the track and back you'd need some serious patience to daily that.
As difficult as these gearboxes are to use, you feel like such a boss when you do it right. They don't ever show a good angle, and he doesn't explain it, but at the bottom of the shifter is a chrome gate with a 6-speed pattern. Look for the only chrome part, you'll see it. 1st is bottom right, 6th is top left. The shifter mechanism reverses your throw, so you still shift normally, but the visual reference is backwards.
A Sequential speed shift box would be awesome.
If the car does not go into first gear when stopped in this type of non-synchromesh transmissions, you should put in neutral, release the clutch, press the clutch and try to put it in gear quickly again.
This is because you need to have at least one axle of the gearbox turning to allow gears match on which each others, just like in a motorcycle gearbox.
Many of the same issues as on a motorcycle dog/slot gearbox... perhaps cold gearbox oil... perhaps a bit iffy adjustment from the factory or due to use (dogs/slot gearboxes are sensitive to clearance), not surprised it got balky. Maybe engage the clutch a bit to get the trans-side slot to move, or if on a slope roll a tiny bit, should slot in.
Hello buddy, when you want to go on first gear after being on reverse. Go on Neutral, than clutch and go on second gear and let go on the clutch a little to make the gears connect and then go back on first and it will get to place. Keep up the videos and see you at Modball
Aren't harnesses unsafe without some sort of neck support and the 5th point between your legs to keep yourself from submarining in an accident?
Did you go to the St. Gottard pass? :D on 10:17 there is a roundabout.. on that roundabout i saw an FF.. and drove right to the st. Gottard tunnel which is 19km long -.-
Sam, don't use racing harnesses without a full roll cage. Basically, if you are strapped in in a racing harness, you cannot move your body sideways, and if you roll the car over, and the roof collapses, your head will be crushed as it cannot move out of the way of the roof coming down...
"I am not technically minded but I'll try to explain"
Chucks phone in bin
Maybe if you tried rev matching would of helped when driving at lower speeds, and with not going in to 1st, clutch out and back in (Y)
If it doesn't go into first, have you tried slipping the clutch a little bit ? Lol. It gets the cogs to move a little lol
Loving the Alps content, get back there ASAP!
YOU have on different place the turbo indicator and that is the perfect size !
Your description sounds like it's a sequential box, but I'm surprised they felt the need to format it in a modified H, as most of them follow the motorcycle, straight line layout. Perhaps, for safety, they felt the need to cross through neutral in the transition every shift, though that seems to defeat the quickness of the gearchange.
The reason why it wouldn't go into first is because you have no syncro gear on a dog ring and the teeth aren't lining up, so if you let your clutch out a tiny amount (like just before it bites) you can get your gears spinning and then they can align
Is it a quaife gearbox? I was looking at their mid engined gearbox for a project and 8.5sterling was the the price.
double clutch and a small blip going in to first will help a lot
with dogring gear box's you sometimes have to rev the engine a smidge, like 200 rpm or let it roll and engage 1st while rolling. happens on bikes quite a bit since they have a similar design. abarth really should have made it sequential though
Though a good harness, the centre buckle should be positioned lower towards your lap. As it is, in a crash, there would be an unnecessary amount of force on your mid section and a chance of submarining.
Great honest opinion Sam. To be fair it looked a bit of a nightmare. I wouldn't want it in my Abarth. Have driven a quaife sequential in the famous Autolusso Alfa 156 GTA on track, which was sublime. And i think a quaife sequential would be a better idea than the £8500 dog ring anyhow in the Abarth for day to day. If you felt obliged to go that way. Look forward to your mountain drive trip in your little banana one day. :-)
sometimes with Dr gearboxes, you need to quarter clutch to get the countershaft spinning, allowing the gears to mesh.
With non-syncromesh gearboxes you need to double clutch for putting it into gear at low speeds. Strange option, I would've expected some type of DCT for that price, also not available on the US version, we get the regular manual only.
Those mini Maserati wheels are so damn cool!!!
STG+Michael Scott = instant thumbs up!
these are straight cut gears when you are reversing sometimes you need to roll a bit forward or backwards to engage the 1st gaer
Watched a lot of reviews of this car. Shmees for example, but havent seen one actually use the gearbox how its meant to be used. Shmee is too much of a coward and doesnt want to make a mistake. But you did it, I like it!