Originally she was gonna appear in the first Avengers film as Joss felt that Scarlet wasn’t gonna appear in the film due to schedule conflicts so in a panic he wrote in Wasp with Zooey Deschanel being eyed for the role
A bunch of crap got in the way of the original script. Not only Wasp/Janet would’ve been in the Avengers movie but Red Skull would’ve been the main villain instead of Loki.
@@antyep Red Skull would've been a better villain for the second Avengers movie with Ultron getting more time to be developed upon, Loki was a good choice for the first film, as it's a sort of callback to the first Avengers comic as Loki was the villain in it
It's a kids show Why do you want cartoon characters to have relationships. The reason anime has been smashing western animation is because they understand the concept of it's a kids show. Goku literally has 2 kids and a wife He has never said he loves any of them or showed any affection beyond protecting them. And you go to the USA and people are complaining USA: hey how come the cartoons aren't in a relationship and how come they aren't displaying human affection on screen 👀 When Americans made a parody of DBZ They added their desires into the story It's a kids show It only needs to have action,story and good animation Ben 10 was a great show Then Ben 10 got a girlfriend and Kevin got a girlfriend And everything went from great kids show Too The creators need to touch some grass. Every time cartoons try to imitate real life the show dies every time. Regular show was great then the Americans boycotted it and demanded that the cartoon animals date, killed the show instantly . Gumball great kids show again Americans boycotted it and demanded a relationship between the weird animal kids it killed the show instantly. Adventure time was a great show until the boycott. Literally everytime relationships get involved in cartoons it kills the show. Naruto ended when everyone started dating because they made that the focus. If a show starts and there is a preexisting relationship it has no effect on the show but when you use a kids show to tell a bullcrap love story it kills the show everytime. In bleach ICHIGO literally didn't have a relationship till the series ended And the show is still on top. Asian anime has it's dark corner obviously but they don't mess with kids shows or kids entertainment. Americans have too much Epstein blood in their veins hence the desire to adultify every form of entertainment as if kids don't watch that. I'm looking at you Disney,netflix, nickelodeon but cartoon network gets a pass because atleast they draw lines
@@lindamasha3552😂 Made my day with this comment. There are so many cartoons that have relationships that doesn’t ruin the show and sometimes makes them better. Avatar The Last Airbender for example is built off between the relationships between the characters. Spectacular Spider-Man also used relationships in a really amazing way imo. I’m not going to be able to change your mind but have a good day 👍
No, EMH didn’t die because of the MCU. It died due to Jeph Loeb taking over the television production of Marvel and cancelled the show under belief of creating an Avenger show that doesn’t alienate new viewers due to the serialized storytelling that the show (EMH) is known for. Which is ironic given that recent complaints of the MCU is due to all the interconnecting serialized storytelling. Point is MCU isn’t really to blame for EMH being gone.
Tbf the MCU did make superhero’s main stream so I have to give credit were credit is due. But I do think it’s dumb that the Avengers Assemble show replaced it because it had to be more similar to the MCU so it got cancelled. It sucks that it happened and that they did more seasons than EMH. Every show in the YostVerse has been cancelled in a stupid way I feel.
@@BigK13372it kind of is, the people at marvel wanted to make the cartoon more like the movies since it was such a success, that they basically watered down all the characters into children in adult bodies.
@@geeebuttersnap2433 But here’s the thing though: Avengers EMH utilizes plenty of elements popularized by the MCU in its characters & stories, as well as do some synergizing when the first movie became a major success (especially during its second season). Hell a lot of the humor in the show is a similar referential and wry comedy that is akin to the ones found in said films. The difference though with Assemble is the writers manage to seemlessly integrate said elements without directly ripping stuff off from the films and still be its own thing. Which is why I blame it all on the producers and writers for the flaws in Assemble, not the whole success of the MCU
@@BrutusTheAnimatorconsidering that the writes of X-Men 97 don’t understand how Gambits powers work on objects ya it’s definitely cut from the same cloth as the 90’s show.
x men 97 has too much nostalgia because people actually watched tv back then. Unfortunately almost nobody I know of has seen EMH, not to mention its living proof disney messed up (this was cancelled for the disney-created shows iirc) and rebooting it would mean disney has to admit it was a mistake to cancel...
EMH deserves a revival, they were the "90's X-Men" of the Yostverse and hell, even make a multiverse crossover between these shows even though it's clear that The Avengers already exist in X-Men '97 (ya know, Animated Secret Wars).
20:46 I love this moment so much. For a moment it seems hostile because that’s what the Hulk is used to. But Cap doesn’t see the Hulk for the destruction supposedly left in his wake, but for his genuine attempts to help people and stop greater threats. Cap understand better than anyone that what makes a hero comes from the inside, so this pep talk was probably really vindicating and inspiring for Hulk. TL;DR: That’s why Cap’s the goat
Excellent video.Avengers EMH in my opinion is the best marvel cartoon because it is the equivalent of justice league unlimited, where very hero and villain is done justice and to this day is my favorite version of that character. The worldbuilding is done justice in this show where it feels like a real world with real people.
There's some stuff I find weird tho, like how tbey never deal with or bring up the consequences of some catasthrophic some events (look at Graviton's battle for example). I also find it weird that WWII is this universe has nothing to do with fascism, but is just about Hydra instead, kinda weakens Captain America's character in my view. I get that they wouldn't want to talk about nazis in a kid's show, but they still have a lot of very clear nazi imagery, so I don't know, feels weird. Other than that tho, the world-building is amazing and really well planned out
I personally enjoy that Wasp was reaching out to Hulk early on in EMH, trying to joke with him, and enjoying fighting villains with him. Wish we could have seen more of it to be honest.
I agree with a lot of what you've said here, but to play devil's advocate: The MCU is a collection of films that focus on heroes, with some team ups. EMH is a series entirely focused on the relationship of these characters. The format is different. In the show, each character can learn something in 22 minutes. In a film, it'll usually take 2 hours. And that's because of the medium. So it's a bit like comparing apples to oranges. They're different because the style of storytelling is different. Tldr: bc the medium is different, it's hard to compare the MCU to the EMH.
There’s definitely an argument you can make. I just feel some of these characters should’ve been implemented better especially the Hulk. TV definitely has the advantage of exploring everyone further and that’s great but they should be exploring these characters more. Some of these movies never move the character in any direction they just stay the same or somehow make them less interesting than they were before hand. I understand the argument you’re making though and it’s a valid argument. I just want them to handle the characters with more respect. I also think they could develop the relationships between the Avengers better but that’s just me. I also wanted to make a point that this show shouldn’t be overlooked because it’s animated and not live action
Your point doesn't do MCU any favours, since, unlike EMH, the MCU have solo movies where they expand upon the characters in the Avengers to a greater extent. Granted, that's just semantics, since they usually don't expand upon their characters and just make solo movies out of commercial obligation.
Sigh. [Pulls out list] - Who Frame Roger Rabbit - Men in Black - Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles - Hellboy - The Mask - The Hellbound Heart (aka Hellraiser) - Mortal Kombat - Sonic the Hedgehog - Sonic the Hedgehog 2 - The Last of Us - Twisted Metal - Fallout - Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Mutant Mayhem - Spider-Man - Spider-Man 2 - The Batman - Guardians of the Galaxy Trilogy - Captain America The Winter Soldier - Avengers Infinity War - Logan - Deadpool - Speer Racer - Lord of the Rings Trilogy - Superman The Movie - Popeye The Movie - Scooby-Doo - Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed - Doom Patrol - Sandman - Sweet Tooth - Alita Battle Antel - One Piece - It Chaprer 1 and 2 - Spider-Verse Movies - Dungeon & Dragons Honor Among Thieves - Barbie
@@spencernaugle Dude I literally listed Peter Jackson’s Lord of the Rings, Guiellermo del Toro’s Hellboy and Netflix’s Sandman. Three works that are near perfect adaptations to the source material they are based on. Unless OP’s defimitopn of perfect is a 1-to-1 copy of the original with, which is honestly a sterialized and recessive demand for when in comes to adaptations
EMH was one of the best marvel cartoons I have ever watched and the fact it was cancelled so soon, was a real mistake Marvel did, although, there could be a chance it might return since the 90s X-Men Series came back. Nice Analysis video by the way!
Yeah, I agree it’s absolutely criminal that every show in this universe has been cancelled when all the shows were fire. It also sucks knowing that Avengers Assemble, Ultimate Spider-Man, and Guardians of the Galaxy got a lot more seasons and that universe got to go on for as long as it did compared to the YostVerse, sad to see man. Also appreciate it 🤘🏻
@@krispykrb7081 This might be a bit off topic, but I think we need to see Earth 1048's version of the Avengers and hopefully they take inspiration from EMH.
@@krispykrb7081why it suck, You are an MCU STAN, those shows are made to people like you, if you hate them & like EMH you are basically admiting the MCU is trash, my stinky & undearest BOZO 🤡
32:15 The best way to describe him in Endgame is a much less interesting version of Peter B. Parker from Into the Spider-Verse. 48:13 Plus she's played by the one and only Jennifer Hale who is easily my favorite voice actress ever, which really does make me wonder what's Captain Marvel's favorite store on the Citadel.
EMH is more developed than the MCU. Comic super materials like adamantium and Uru exist along with vibranium. The villains have access to materials that allow them to engage the most powerful heroes. The animated series more closely resembles the comic concepts and overall lore of the source material.
Great video Krispy. Hank Pym is personally my favorite character in EMH. I watched it for the first time recently and absolutely loved it as most did and was bummed that it got canned like Spectacular. Also did you notice that the Skrull that impersonated Cap wore an Ultimates inspired costume instead of his original comic book look? I also have a couple video ideas in the pipeline and would love to work with you at some point, do like a collab on our thoughts on a superhero show/character, if you're down of course.
Hank Pym is fantastic, love that version of the character too. I did notice the Skrull Cap wearing his Ultimate design, I think that such a great detail and I feel like it’s a nod to that Cap being very out of character which I find really funny. I’m definitely down to collab with anyone at some point but for now I’m just going to keep growing my channel by myself.
@krispykrb7081, since you were asking about why the MCU chose to downplay Hank Pym and make him an old mentor to Scott, it's because of his lasting "legacy" when he was Yellowjacket. He "hit" Janet because of his mental condition (this was actually because of a writing/artist disconnect where Hank was only supposed to push her away but the artist wanted Janet to be hit). Because of that, Marvel have been scared of using both him and Wasp for that reason and omitted them from the Avengers movie (not completely as Zooey Deschanel was considered to play Wasp in the first Avengers movie, but that was a thought in case Scarlett Johanssen's contract wasn't renewed) and the movie was pushed from Phase 1 to Phase 2. The last time they were in anything prominent was Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes where they were shown as founding members of the Avengers, Janet even names the team for crying out loud! The Yellowjacket slap was apparently so bad, Marvel denied the writers of the Secret Invasion storyline to retcon it by saying that Hank was replaced as a Skrull at the time because it was the most prominent thing Hank had ever done in the comics... what?! Multiple members of the Avengers who are relatively popular now have done far worse in the comics (Tony establishing a police state and locking away prisoners in an alternate dimension in Civil War, Captain Marvel wanted to arrest people just on the suspicion that they may be evil because of a mutant who can predict the future in Civil War II, etc), but I guess a miscommunication between the writers and artists is enough to blacklist Hank Pym and, in extension Janet van Dyne from being a prominent character.
That really sucks man. I can’t believe one comic panel fucks up the character for Marvel what a shame. I hope that he can someday come back from greatness just like he did in this show. I feel like they’re doing something similar with T’challa as the Black Panther because of Chadwick Boseman’s passing now I feel there afraid to use the character for some reason, like now he’s T’Chaka in X-Men 97 when he was originally T’challa. Stupid companies making stupid decisions, rip man.
@@krispykrb7081 I wish they handled the first Black Panther movie like the Ultimate Avengers 2 movie did with the heritage of the Black Panther and what that symbol means to Wakanda, like maybe show us that he has a son in the 2018 movie and have T'Challa teach his son about the ways of The Black Panther and when he goes to visit his dad in the Astral plane, he can ask for advice or something like that. Then when we get to Wakanda Forever, it's not just a plot point that he has a son off screen. Just a thought but I think it would make the whole Chadwick thing less awkward.
I want this show to return but I'm so concerned of the idea that Kevin would force MCU synergy basically throwing away everything that made this show special something that Hasbro tried to do with Transformers Animated for season 3, seriously seeing the original season 3 script/idea compared to the changed they had to make due to the higher ups is night and day to such a embarrassing degree
Yeah, it could either be an X-Men 97 situation or a Young Justice situation. Hopefully if it does come back they get all the same people which unfortunately they probably wouldn’t just for the fact that they weren’t able to get the people that made the original Daredevil series for the new show so it’s most likely not going to be great
To be fair, EMH did take a few aspects from the MCU like Nick fury being black, Hawkeye being a Shield agent, Jarvis being an AI and nobody has secret identities.
@@hagos9939Which was a characteristic popularized by the MCU ofter the post credit scene of Iron Man. Like in main universe and a lot of media appearance Fury is depicted as white, where he only appears black in like Ultimate Comics based adaptation like the Ultimate Spider-Man video game or Ultimate Avengers movies
16:44 Yes, the Sokovia Accords that Tony signed and later violated by going to Siberia without authorization, as well as kidnapping and blackmailing a teenager.
Love the whole video, but gotta shout out when Janet said “firemen sleep in the firehouse!” When asked why she moved into the mansion. She just loves being a hero and takes it so seriously it really was the line that made me a fan.
I've never read the comics, so I had no clue who Wasp was until watching The Ultimate Avengers and Avengers: EMH and I just LOVE her! She's so cheerful and I think it's adorable how she wanted to be a hero in the beginning of the series. While the dynamic between Cap and Iron-man is interesting in the MCU, I love how there wasn't any bitterness between them in EMH. I've only seen the first half of season one, so I don't know how different things are in season two. I probably feel this way because I've seen the MCU first, but I actually love that Tony's the leader of the Avengers in EMH rather than Cap. It's a nice switch.
EMH is great because it’s one world where everything happens. Yeh it’s way harder to do it in movies but each movie seems so inclined and sometimes it seems that other hero’s don’t exist. Love the one world where every hero mutant and super human can live
Incredible video dude!!! You got me through my terrible warehouse job today by reminding me how Passionate creative & imaginative marvel anime & OG MCU was back in the day! The animations definitely shows the potential of the MCU and how far it’s all fell form Grace today! Keep making this impeccable content my man!
I’m so glad I could help man! It’s unfortunate we’re only now just getting some good Marvel animation, it took us a decade but hopefully we can keep getting great stuff. I’m also glad I could give some insight on were the MCU is lacking. I appreciate you man 🤟🏻
@@krispykrb7081 you right about that! I hope they bring back all the greats Spider-Man 94 & Spectacular was the BEST! Hell Iron Man & Fantastic Four animated would hit super hard build it all back up like the MCU yet that’s a lot to ask lol 😂.
Bruce can talk to Hulk when he's out, but never on screen and it would've been interesting to see. Also in episode 3 when Hawkeye asked Bruce about why Hulk saved the jet he just dodges the question with a few of his own. Plus when Hulk looks to escape and turns around I can't tell if he is looking at the crashing jet or Bruce telling him/asking him or something about saving the people on the jet. Ross has a big vendetta(if that's the right word) against Hulk and Bruce (Don't know who he hates more) and I wonder if it has anything to do with Betty, who is not even mention in the show. Edit: forgot to add that when the random team ups happen or just the characters hanging out is funny and fun
Nah she would have been awesome in a similar role in the mcu. After watching EMH you definitely feel the void in the early movies. We love our well written female characters.
Easy rhetorical jujitsu against the live action for adults crowd: Most live action movies need animators for their vfx to work. Most animators do not need live action anything to get their jobs done.
46:50 you should read her solo comics, she's got four runs that I would argue are essential to her character, the Chris Claremont Ms. Marvel stuff is just her whole origin as a super hero, the 2006-2010 stuff written by Brian Reed is just flat out phenomenal and easily her best years as Ms. Marvel, the Kelly Sue Deconnick stuff is great, it's the early years of Carol as Captain Marvel and features some pretty interesting stories. Finally the Kelly Thompson run which is just a fun romp, not my favourite but definitely fun. edit: ALSO AVOID ANYTHING WRITTEN BY BENDIS, that man hates Carol I swear he writes her like a stupid meathead which she just isnt in any other stuff so there's that.
Thank You! I’ll definitely give them a look when I got some time because this show made me like her character and I definitely want to like her comic counterpart.
@@krispykrb7081 not to be that guy but try and get the name right because the Captain Marvel in this show is not Carol but her predecessor here she's called Mrs Marvel her original superhero name I used to like her as I always saw her as Marvel's Wonder Woman in terms of femininism Thor is Marvel's Wonder Woman in terms of mythology focus to his character
Whoever had the dumb idea of making Hank Pym and Janet old and retired in the MCU and Scott Lang and Hope van Dyne as the main Antman and main Wasp needs jailtime asap. Not only both of Scott and Hope were miscasted (I would pick Domhnall Gleeson for Scott and Lily Collins for Hope) but Janet and Pym are core Avengers characters and they should be on their prime on MCU.
These are adaptations, they take the source material and do whatever they want. Also Hank and Janet are okey in the MCU(it’s just my opinion and that’s it). But EMH Hank and Jan are great.
MCU Ultron does hate humanity and wants to "reset" the world, as he sees the Avengers as hypocrites because for how much they try to do good, it only ends up in more destruction - a constant loop of chaos where nothing really improves. He "acts human" because his personality programming is based on Tony's.
The fact that they had the PERFECT setup for Spider-Man fighting for battles “beneath” the Avengers and still doubled down on him taking on world enders was so odd. The mafia using supervillains as a distraction for superheroes while the real money makers do their thing was the thing of brilliance.
EMH is fantastic but a few things Ultron’s mind was based off Hank Pym’s brain waves in the comics and Tony in the MCU, hence why Ultron’s personality is very much like MCU Tony MCU’s thing is actors are more expensive to get actors even for cameos and the focus are handled differently. I agree Secret Invasion was poor, not because or solely due to Avengers not being in it, but more on how Nick Fury was handled. I don’t think it’s more limited but how it grows is different.
I got an idea! With CGI technology and the whole multiverse thing happening, Marvel Comic Book Fans could just make they’re own marvel cinematic universe that is more comic accurate to the source material. Hollywood will never be comic accurate. They only want to put things what they want. But you Y’know what? I say the hell with them! Let’s start a petition for an CGI cinematic Marvel Universe! Who’s with me!!!
New avengers: Captain America/sam Wilson Iron heart Jane foster/thor Yelena belova/crimson widow Kate bishop/hawkeye She hulk Torres the new falcon Shuri the new black panther Scott lang & hope van dyne Ms marvel
31:28 Thor seemed like the butt of the joke in Ragnarok to me. He was frightened by an automated introduction speech. He begged for his hair to not be cut. He knocked himself over bouncing a ball. I could go on but I won't, literally, I skipped Love and Thunder.
Actually Rhodey hasn’t been a Skrull since Civil War, it was said like a month ago that he wasn’t taken until after Endgame which is after Civil War, because Rhodey in Endgame still has his suit and still has the leg braces and Rhodey in Falcon and The Winter Soldier doesn’t have the leg braces anymore. And Gravik’s plan wasn’t put into effect until after the final battle in Endgame.
Finally someone has the same point of view as me as to why Ultron was such a wasted villain in the mcu 11:37 the only thing they did to his character is make him another Tony Stark knock off but a dark mirror of him when he is much more than that not to mention the fact that he was working with Scarlet witch and Quicksilver which is something that is entirely against this character because he'd rather accomplish his mission on his own than working with an organic life whether it's human or mutants because he thinks he's more superior to them 18:13 will it make sense for him to be frustrated due to everything that happens around him and because of bad timing every time he tries the figure out a plan just stop a threat or figure a solution for something he always does it in the middle of the threat invading Earth because of said threat launching their attack earlier than he expected so he has to act quick or else the earth would be Doomed add to the fact that he also suffers from constant pressure from his teammates because they cannot hold the threat for long and they are trying to buy some time for him to figure out a plan while mcu on the other hand had all the time in his hands to create Ultron to stop the threat of Thanos we all know how that went out and even with all that time he had he still wasn't prepared for Thanos and it ended up costing him his life in order to save the world so if anything I'd say Earth's mightiest heroes version of iron Man did a way better job at handling threats who are way larger than Thanos more than mcu iron Man handled their big bad the mcu has been setting up for over for over 5 7 or 10 years or whatever time that was I'm not saying that the mcu iron Man is bad in fact I agree with everything you said about him and I still think Robert Downey Jr has the best adaptation of iron Man of all time I'm just pointing that out there but for me it's a tie because I like both adaptations of the character
my biggest wish is that the mcu would just fast-track secret wars, reset/reboot the universe, and start a new mcu that is much more comic accurate and colorful and weird. would be amazing if executed properly especially with access to F4 and xmen
I think its kinda of a unfair comparisson, because EMH being serialised they had more time and space to plan and develop everyone, but man its EMH it was really good
They definitely could’ve made it better though but I will agree the other medium does have the advantage over the other. I just want all the characters to be done well and be respected unlike what the MCU has currently been doing. I still love both though don’t get me wrong.
@@krispykrb7081you kinda have to understand that movies and films have a different tone. The MCU Avengers were inspired by the Ultimates from the Ultimate universe, and of course it going to be darker than the EMH. EMH is lighter in tone and does have a lot of colourful things. Also The Avenger movies have a limited 2 hours or 3 whereas EMH is a series.
EMH/Spectacular always kinda made me feel sum typa way about all the movies, like prime MCU was great, but it never really matched these shows i grew up with
I know people will say “BUT BUT SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN ISNT PART OF THE YOSSVERSE”. To that I say, it was always meant to be part of it, Josh Keaton recorded his lines as Peter Parker for the Avengers episodes but at the last minute they replaced him with Drake Bell. Thats literally the only flaw with EMH, that they replaced Josh Keaton.
Yeah and that’s technically not even the shows fault, it’s Disney forcing them to do it because of the Ultimate Spider-Man show. Even though the creator doesn’t agree that he wasn’t supposed to be Spectacular, we can assume that he went through everything the main Spectacular did because he was intended to be Spectacular. It’s kinda like the Across the Spider Verse movie were the creator also doesn’t think that’s Spectacular but we can assume he also went through everything the main one did.
I agree with most of what you say about the mcu but one thing I disagree with is when a hero is in Their solo film and dosen’t call other heroes for help there’s a reason for that because it’s not there movie and by another hero showing up it steals the thunder from that main character who of the film that’s like Hulk calling iron man man to help him fight abomination in a Hulk film that dosen’t make sense because it’s a hulk film not an iron man film. Plus the heroes come together when they face a threat they absolutely CANNOT face alone like thanos but if Iron man is facing the mandarin his arch nemesis that he can defeat by himself, then bring in other heroes is unnecessary
That's one thing that always irritates me when people say where is this character or this team because you idiots when you read watch or play superhero stories you came for the main hero
@@Spider-Fan006 thank you! And it also take away the characters agency to bring in other heroes to bail them out and plus the avengers is a team that assembles to take on world ending threats not earthly matters that one hero can face alone
New sub here! Looking forward to see more of your content I want to add, I kind of wished Spider-Man would be more integrated into the avengers team after season 3, I looked at the season 3 synopsis and it doesn’t include Spider-Man in any of these episodes. Would’ve been fun to see how his interactions would be with the other avengers.
I appreciate that! You never know it might’ve just not be in the plot synopsis for the certain episodes. There probably wasn’t an episode centered around him and they just have him as an extra but unfortunately will never know.
Great video. I think you're right and you explained all the reasons well. My only criticisms are that you gave MCU Black Widow the point over EMH Widow. EHM Widow had a fluid arc that was planned since her first appearance to the end of the Skrull invasion, and her relationship with Hawkeye and SHIELD was great. MCU Widow seems to just be clouded in "Johansson hot" and no one seems to address that, outside of CA2: Winter Soldier and maybe Iron Man 2, she was an abysmal character. Her development with hawkeye also left to a shockingly terrible contradiction to the soul stone in endgame, but people still seem to think that Hawkeye cared about Widow in that scene, despite Hawkeye basically dooming over the loss of his family. Meanwhile Widow stalked Hawkeye for 5 years and, since Avengers 2: Age of Ultron, she was basically trying to latch on to anyone desperately for family. Her dying ruined Hawkeye's payoff. The only other criticism is how little you talked about Wasp. We know she's obviously better in EMH, but despite how amazing the series was, its possible to argue she was the star performer with how well she brought out her high energy personality and meshed well with both her team and in playful aggravation of the enemies.
Great points! I actually had forgotten her development with Hawkeye so I forgot to mention it. I did also gloss over Wasp a little bit definitely should’ve dived a bit deeper into her character.
OMG I HAD NO IDEA THAT SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN WAS LINKED TO ANY OTHER SHOW. You have no idea how happy that makes me. Literally one of if not the best super hero show ever, but tbf Im extremely biased lol
That’s a lot of cap that Spidey didn’t go through anything until NWH. He was already Spidey in the 6 months before Civil War. He got his identity revealed, died and came back to life, girl troubles, trying to be a hero and get accepted by his peers instead of seeing as a kid or nuisance. He was figuring out what being Spidey means and what responsibilities means. I don’t think anything about Tom Holland Spidey was confusing, yes Spectacular Spidey is better but I don’t think Tom Holland Spidey was that bad in Homecoming or NWH
Me neither. I was talking about consequences, he did have consequences in Homecoming but nothing big and then in the other movies he doesn’t have any consequences. This Spider-Man never had any big consequences until NWH
@@krispykrb7081 I think it’s like Harry Potter as he grows older , each film gets more serious as he matures. Homecoming was intentionally light hearted to switch up from what the studio deemed the darker ASM film. Peter in Homecoming learns the benefit of being a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man and not trying to grow up too fast. Far From Home has him now caught up now living up to stepping up while dealing with his guilt and insecurity of everything that happened in Infinity War and learning he works best being his own hero and learning to trust himself including taking Mysterio down using his spider sense and resourcefulness ( in a way Peter’s arc is very similar to Tobey’s arc in Spider-Man 2 - him trying to escape from the responsibility of being Spider-Man and live as Peter, winning MJ love but FFH has a more global story while being on high school vacation) and No Way Home was a culmination of that arc and learning from other Spider-Men. Each arc in each movie got to deal with each aspect of being Spidey means from friendly neighborhood protector to being an Avenger level hero and the overall responsibility and sacrifices that come with it. I would argue being dead for five years in Infinity War and coming back to a world where everything has changed , having his whole identity revealed to the entire world in Far From Home, then coming back from death to loosing his mentor in battle and dealing with the guilt of that ( MCU Peter and Tony’s relationship was heavily inspired by the Ultimate comics Peter being a huge Tony fan boy and Civil War and early New Avengers Peter working for Tony) are fairly big consequences in MCU Peter’s life especially considering this happens on the span of him being 14-17. I think that’s the thing in comics, cartoons and movies Spider-Man: not every thing has to be big life changing consequences. Sometimes it can be late on rent or utilities, or getting grounded by Aunt May for coming home late (Ultimate Spider-Man#21), or missing a big battle because of humorous situations at his High School (USM#28). Parker Luck is general all around badness or misfortunes that just happened. But here each story the scope and the troubles with Spidey grow.
Yeah, I definitely agree. I was saying that he had no big consequences till no way home and I do get that he did have some in Homecoming and that it’s okay for him to have tiny consequences but for a movie I feel like a big consequence should be there but that’s just me because it’s used in a way to give so much more development for that character. I don’t think Tony’s death was a consequence for him since he couldn’t do anything about it. I don’t hate any of his movies and I respect what they were going for, I just wish it could’ve been more.
Spider-Man 1- Uncle Ben's Death, Peter's Fault Spider-Man 2- Spider-Man is ruining Peter Parker's Life and that's causing his relationships to fail Spider-Man 3- Ruins relationships he has when wearing the Black Suit and also made Venom Amazing Spider-Man- He help create Lizard and Uncle Ben died again Amazing Spider-Man 2- Gwen dies because he didn't keep Captain Stacy's promise Then we have Homecoming, he gets detention.
This show should get the x-men'97 treatment it's the best marvel universe i still like the mcu even after they fell off but they will never be the same
Avengers:EMH did everything better than even the best MCU films. If you had a gun to my head and said choose one to keep and one to erase from history, I would choose to keep Avengers:EMH every time.
I agreed with most of your analyis until the spiderman segment. I don't think MCU Spidey "messing up a lot" is a point against him, he's one of the youngest incarnations of the character and even a lot of incarnations of the character makes detrimental mistakes, sometimes often. He also did have struggles and his mistakes or actions did often lead to consequences, like his overreaching to stop Vulture or him trusting Mephisto with the Iron Man tech. The consequences may not be completely life altering like as seen in NWH, but it still had effects on his relationships and personal well being. I also just hate the concept of all the movies prior to No way home being considered his "origin story". I've always seen his presence in the later films as him further developing his already established spiderman identity rather than it all culminating towards him becoming a "proper spiderman". I didn't mind him being different, at his core he still had the hallmarks of the spiderman persona.
New sub! Definitely need a follow up to this! Maybe a deeper dive into how xmen 97 & Invincible are a return to form in a way & how emh can be looked at as inspiration for the new universe after secret wars? Idk just throwing out ideas but good work 👍🏽
Season 3 would had focused more on the involvement of the X-Men, Scarlet Witch, and even Dr Strange. Its insane what an amazing Season we missed just to get Avengers Assembled
EMH Hulk is by far the best version of the character outside of comics, although I wish we got to see more of Banner. His dynamic with the Hulk was so intresting but always seemed unfair to Bruce, We could have seen him helping out the Avengers with science stuff on occasion but Hulk was selfish and unwilling to share their existance. Had the show continued I would have liked to see the relationship develop with Hulk learneing to accept Banner just as he had learned to accept the Hulk.
They made a deal in season 2 were he can come out once every week (it might’ve been month I can’t remember) so I did like that but yeah, I do wish we got more of Banner
One of them was not really remembered and ended but now it is remembered as an underrated gem,the other was loved by people from the get go but now it is just gotten worse over time and just needs to end.
What’s even sadder about the Wasp in the MCU is that she became one of the biggest plot holes after Endgame. As in Endgame Scott explains that time works differently in the Quantum realm so for everyone else it was 5 years, but for him it was 5 hours. So then if we’re going by that logic how the hell did Janet age? If she was in the Quantum realm since the 80’s then wouldn’t that mean for her she’d been only down there for 2 days for her at the most? Shouldn’t she still be young and not the same age as Hank, but the same age as her Daughter? Unless they some how explained it in Quantumania, but considering that Kang was trapped there because it was outside of time then Janet shouldn’t have been older.
Earth's Mightiest Heroes deserves the X-Men '97 treatment and maybe even make Spectacular Spider-Man actually canon (yeah, Spectacular wasn't really canon to both EMH and Wolverine and the X-Men).
Iron man 2 wasn’t about Tony not wanting to give up power, it was that he knows what ppl can do with HIS name and HIS gear so he doesn’t give anyone a chance to use it for war like the government
the fact that wasp in endgame appears in literally one scene where she is noticeable and her presence amounts to something is when they say "you got it cap" and she's never significant again and captain marvel in EMH thank god for it was NOT everything captain plank in MCU modelled by modern marvel comics was spiderman in MCU is a wasted potential and a lot of waste at it civil war establishes that he already saw uncle ben die and "with great power" and what not so sure he gets a better suit from tony and just because they teamed up once he thinks he's above the school, that every thursday will be big fight and has to learn that he's not gonna be ultra special hero ok let tony give him iron spider why not take that away from him in far from home he's iron boy junior for some reason and while it is understandable that too much pressure and last thing tony gave him would push him towards giving it up it's a movie where things went bad to the point of people in this universe being complete morons and in no way home things get even worse, apparently "with great power" never happened for him before, uncle ben seems to have never existed AND ZENDAYA STILL RUINS ENTIRE MOVIE WITH EVERY SCENE SHE'S IN AND SPEAKS so while it is within character's range to get as angry as he gets because green goblin killed aunt may he is acting like it's the first time he lost someone close and important that is evident proof that writers didn't even bother googling previous movies and MCU effectively died with tony stark
Agree hope mcu learnt from Avengers Earth's Mightiest Hero and xmen 97 how to tell good stories. Disney should bring back Avengers Earth's Mightiest Hero
Thor in the MCU is a joke now. That hurts me because he's my favorite comic book character. Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes Thor is the best adaptation of the character thus far.
There is no comparasion, my unestimated BOZO *EMH WAS MADE OUT OF PURE LOVE & RESPECT FOR THE SOURCE MATERIAL, C.U.M. was made by people who openly despises the comics where is based off(LET'S NOT FORGET THEY RACE-SWAPPED & GENDERSWAPPED TASKMASTER, one of the most important Gay & Mexican Characters in all comic history)*
I agree and I get the basics of what your saying. The mcu tried being serious and didn't embrace it's comic book side while EMH did and it was held back by movie rights to certain characters 4:00 what filter?
I don’t agree that it should’ve embraced its comic side, unless you’re talking about taking good things from the comics but I could care less if the medium isn’t comic book accurate as long as their getting to the core of the characters that’s all I care about. I just don’t feel all the characters were handled with respect in the movies. It’s a blue filter they added to the screen. For some reason MCU movies don’t look good because they add a filter like that over everything for some reason and it’s definitely present in Endgame, if you look up why Marvel movies look bad on RUclips it’s mostly because of the damn filter lol
Ultron and Hank Pym are some of my favorite characters in Marvel (They ain’t beating Spider-Man though). So when the MCU adapted them I was very disappointed with the result though Hank got an incredible moment in Antman Quantamania and Ultron might be coming back in Vision Quest. I also just hate how MCU Ultron looks I don’t understand why they couldn’t go for the comic look.
I agree Hulk doesn’t get developed as much as he should but honestly that’s a problem that’s due to Universal Studios and Marvel Studios having to share the Hulk, and he can’t have a solo film of his own. And The Incredible Hulk film , the ending was not about controlling the Hulk, but coming to terms with the monster inside and directing him to do good (there were scenes earlier with Bruce and Betty, discussing about Hulk knowing how good he could), which is something he was learning to do at the end of TIH. The reason they had Professor Hulk was more about doing a What If Scenario in how people coped with the ending of IW. It just feels like we needed development. But Yostverse Hulk was better
I still think they could’ve gave him development in the Avengers movies because other characters got development. I looked up what the ending meant and it said that he learned how to control the Hulk but maybe it’s wrong
@@krispykrb7081Hey pal, first of all I'm sorry if u r disturbed by my comments. First of all, I want to ask which superheroes u want to appear in Insomniac verse? There is Wolverine game and even for X-Men in future. Personally I want Ms. Marvel/Kamala Khan due to mainly third point. Due to my future fanfic crossover "My Dress-Up Spidey" with combination of multiple Spider-Man media (Anti-Ock Suit with spider legs, Spectacular Kraven's mutation, WoS Venom's Symbiote invasion and 5 headed kaiju form, etc.) with Marin Kitagawa from My Dress-Up Darling becoming love interest for either Peter or Miles as they both will be teenagers (with other getting shipped by Ms. Marvel). I am not forcing u or promoting my fanfic. Just asking ur suggestion for 2nd point. Again sorry if I annoy you.
@@krispykrb7081no I mean like analyzing the episodes but yeah it would be cool if this was revive i can also finally watch now, if something doesn't pop up, I'll leave a review later or tomorrow
@@krispykrb7081 You did very well, gave everybody a fair and understandable review. Here's some other thoughts to think about I guess. Marvel What If should do episodes based on canceled projects, Edgar Wright was supposed to do an Antman film before Avengers, plus Oscorp from Amazing Spiderman was supposed to be in the background in Avengers, but at that point the film was already done being made, even Fury himself was supposed to say Mutants and Wall Crawler in the end of Ironman They did Bruce very well in the show but I wished we had more of him, especially his personal relationship with Betty. The Continuity is something that crosses my mind a lot, specifically the timeline in general. Using Peter as example, he just started his Sophomore year when the FF debuted. And became Spiderman himself in like March and he was a senior ot just graduated by the time he was in Avenger, personally I think he should have been college age, 19 at least, he just looks older is all. As for Wolverine and the X Men, not to far into the future but time has passed and all. Questions, 1 your thoughts and possible plans in season 3 and do you plan to breakdown the episodes or do other stuff?
@@OtakuBoy2022 I would think Hulk would be dope to see, also I would really love if they did a Hulk game. Also I wanna see Deadpool because I love those characters. No problem man, I always enjoy hearing people out, and that's awesome that your making a fanfic crossover, hope all goes well 👍
Chris Hemsworth wanted to be Fat Thor so they let him. Hulk wasn’t scared of Thanos he hated Bruce and didn’t wanna be used only for fighting, he wanted respect.
I don’t care that he’s fat but I want him to be an actual character instead of just a joke. I don’t think this was explained too well in the movie, they never gave a reason inside the movie
If there is something that EMH surpasses the MCU, it is that in the cartoon the world really needs the Avengers, while in the movies they are the cause of every problem there is.
¿Otra vez tú? & que m*mdas andas diciendo ¿& como te puede gustar esta serie si el prota es Iron Man & tu odias a Iron Man 😂? A, & esta serie TAMBIÉN es para niños, asi que doble 🤣
@@mayotango1317 ¿& Yo en que momento defendí Omniverse? ¿que tu pleito conmigo no era porque me gustaba Iron Man Aventuras de Hierro? Tan paranóico estas que ya ni difieres a todos tus enemigos, mayoneso 🤣🤣
Man everytime I think about EMH Carol compared to her MCU version, I just get sad because she was one of my favorites. She's just a honest down-to-earth person despite being one of the most powerful and destructive Avengers on the team. I could listen to her ramble about her time in the military for hours and be completely invested. Meanwhile, I'm struggling to find any noteworthy in MCU Carol that doesn't end in either complete apathy or annoyance.
Yeah unfortunate. I hope that MCU Carol does get better but it doesn’t seem like that’s happening. EMH Carol actually felt like friends with everyone and had such a great personality too bad we didn’t see more of her
Saying that the progression to Professor Hulk is the problem is misguided. Professor Hulk is one of the best Hulk Comic lines, and it leads directly into the much better Maestro Hulk timeline. How the MCU handled the story is the real issue. They took my favorite superhero’s story and obliterated it. They also obliterated She Hulk’s story, and I hope third time’s the charm with Harrison Ford
The thing with emh I like that it had over the mcu; it never fell off. It might have had only two seasons, but at least that meant it will be remembered fondly, unlike the mcu, which has been making poor quality films and tv shows for last 4 years.
Not only Spectacular Spider-Man IS NOT the same from EMH, But even if it was he comes from a separate show made by different people who made EMH, your "ANALISIS" is if I said TFP is a bad show just because RID exists
He was intended to be, which was said by Joshua Fine so we can assume that he went through everything Spectacular Spider-Man did even if he’s not the same version. It still can make sense of Spectacular being in the world and I don’t find it hard to believe even if other people worked on it.
EARTH'S MIGHTIEST HEROES IS STILL THE BEST MARVEL COMICBOOK ANIMATED ADAPTATION TO THE SCREEN. X-MEN 97 IS ALSO COMING VERY CLOSE SO FAR SINCE SEASON 1.
at first when I was younger I used to enjoy the mcu and it has a few moments I enjoy, but I feel this show actually did what a billion dollar studio never could: honor the source material and treat the fans with respect, the mcu is a crappy joke now and it makes me very sad, but despite the mcu trying to taint what I love, I can always enjoy the comics 1940-2010, I feel like those decades truly are the marvel age of comics, and this show obviously way better than the crappy egos and scum that is easily Hollywood, this show understands these characters and will always hold a special place in my heart 👍
Im sad Janet isnt as prominent of a figure in the MCU. She is the glue that holds the team together in EMH.
Originally she was gonna appear in the first Avengers film as Joss felt that Scarlet wasn’t gonna appear in the film due to schedule conflicts so in a panic he wrote in Wasp with Zooey Deschanel being eyed for the role
@@UltimateNut Zooey would just have been live action EHM Jan.
A bunch of crap got in the way of the original script. Not only Wasp/Janet would’ve been in the Avengers movie but Red Skull would’ve been the main villain instead of Loki.
@@antyep Red Skull would've been a better villain for the second Avengers movie with Ultron getting more time to be developed upon, Loki was a good choice for the first film, as it's a sort of callback to the first Avengers comic as Loki was the villain in it
ngl it's hella depressing that carol didnt get to bond with the real cap when she joined that always made me mad man
Yeah, that sucks. I really wanted to see this Carol interact with everyone more because she’s amazing in this show
It's a kids show
Why do you want cartoon characters to have relationships.
The reason anime has been smashing western animation is because they understand the concept of it's a kids show.
Goku literally has 2 kids and a wife
He has never said he loves any of them or showed any affection beyond protecting them.
And you go to the USA and people are complaining
USA: hey how come the cartoons aren't in a relationship and how come they aren't displaying human affection on screen 👀
When Americans made a parody of DBZ
They added their desires into the story
It's a kids show
It only needs to have action,story and good animation
Ben 10 was a great show
Then Ben 10 got a girlfriend and Kevin got a girlfriend
And everything went from great kids show
Too The creators need to touch some grass.
Every time cartoons try to imitate real life the show dies every time.
Regular show was great then the Americans boycotted it and demanded that the cartoon animals date, killed the show instantly .
Gumball great kids show again Americans boycotted it and demanded a relationship between the weird animal kids it killed the show instantly.
Adventure time was a great show until the boycott.
Literally everytime relationships get involved in cartoons it kills the show.
Naruto ended when everyone started dating because they made that the focus.
If a show starts and there is a preexisting relationship it has no effect on the show but when you use a kids show to tell a bullcrap love story it kills the show everytime.
In bleach ICHIGO literally didn't have a relationship till the series ended
And the show is still on top.
Asian anime has it's dark corner obviously but they don't mess with kids shows or kids entertainment.
Americans have too much Epstein blood in their veins hence the desire to adultify every form of entertainment as if kids don't watch that.
I'm looking at you Disney,netflix, nickelodeon but cartoon network gets a pass because atleast they draw lines
@@lindamasha3552 bro, what are you on?
@@lindamasha3552 Quit yer yapping
@@lindamasha3552😂 Made my day with this comment. There are so many cartoons that have relationships that doesn’t ruin the show and sometimes makes them better. Avatar The Last Airbender for example is built off between the relationships between the characters. Spectacular Spider-Man also used relationships in a really amazing way imo. I’m not going to be able to change your mind but have a good day 👍
I can’t help but look at the mcu now and say “EMH died for this?” Kind of wish it didn’t exist so this show could go on.
No, EMH didn’t die because of the MCU.
It died due to Jeph Loeb taking over the television production of Marvel and cancelled the show under belief of creating an Avenger show that doesn’t alienate new viewers due to the serialized storytelling that the show (EMH) is known for.
Which is ironic given that recent complaints of the MCU is due to all the interconnecting serialized storytelling.
Point is MCU isn’t really to blame for EMH being gone.
Tbf the MCU did make superhero’s main stream so I have to give credit were credit is due. But I do think it’s dumb that the Avengers Assemble show replaced it because it had to be more similar to the MCU so it got cancelled. It sucks that it happened and that they did more seasons than EMH. Every show in the YostVerse has been cancelled in a stupid way I feel.
@@BigK13372 mcu has the fault got man thanks for making it clear
@@BigK13372it kind of is, the people at marvel wanted to make the cartoon more like the movies since it was such a success, that they basically watered down all the characters into children in adult bodies.
@@geeebuttersnap2433 But here’s the thing though: Avengers EMH utilizes plenty of elements popularized by the MCU in its characters & stories, as well as do some synergizing when the first movie became a major success (especially during its second season). Hell a lot of the humor in the show is a similar referential and wry comedy that is akin to the ones found in said films.
The difference though with Assemble is the writers manage to seemlessly integrate said elements without directly ripping stuff off from the films and still be its own thing.
Which is why I blame it all on the producers and writers for the flaws in Assemble, not the whole success of the MCU
God, I miss this show.
But if X-men 97 got a revival, then this can too.
The og 90s X-Men was overrated, I would've had a revival of Evolution or WATXM INSIDE
@@BrutusTheAnimator finally someone w taste
@@BrutusTheAnimatorconsidering that the writes of X-Men 97 don’t understand how Gambits powers work on objects ya it’s definitely cut from the same cloth as the 90’s show.
x men 97 has too much nostalgia because people actually watched tv back then. Unfortunately almost nobody I know of has seen EMH, not to mention its living proof disney messed up (this was cancelled for the disney-created shows iirc) and rebooting it would mean disney has to admit it was a mistake to cancel...
EMH deserves a revival, they were the "90's X-Men" of the Yostverse and hell, even make a multiverse crossover between these shows even though it's clear that The Avengers already exist in X-Men '97 (ya know, Animated Secret Wars).
20:46 I love this moment so much. For a moment it seems hostile because that’s what the Hulk is used to. But Cap doesn’t see the Hulk for the destruction supposedly left in his wake, but for his genuine attempts to help people and stop greater threats. Cap understand better than anyone that what makes a hero comes from the inside, so this pep talk was probably really vindicating and inspiring for Hulk.
TL;DR: That’s why Cap’s the goat
Excellent video.Avengers EMH in my opinion is the best marvel cartoon because it is the equivalent of justice league unlimited, where very hero and villain is done justice and to this day is my favorite version of that character. The worldbuilding is done justice in this show where it feels like a real world with real people.
There's some stuff I find weird tho, like how tbey never deal with or bring up the consequences of some catasthrophic some events (look at Graviton's battle for example).
I also find it weird that WWII is this universe has nothing to do with fascism, but is just about Hydra instead, kinda weakens Captain America's character in my view. I get that they wouldn't want to talk about nazis in a kid's show, but they still have a lot of very clear nazi imagery, so I don't know, feels weird.
Other than that tho, the world-building is amazing and really well planned out
I personally enjoy that Wasp was reaching out to Hulk early on in EMH, trying to joke with him, and enjoying fighting villains with him. Wish we could have seen more of it to be honest.
Nice video man! Thanks for including my edit🙏 It definitely wasn't the one I was expecting you to choose hahaha but I think you picked well
No problem! Love your stuff ❤
Which edit is it? May I ask?
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I agree with a lot of what you've said here, but to play devil's advocate: The MCU is a collection of films that focus on heroes, with some team ups. EMH is a series entirely focused on the relationship of these characters. The format is different. In the show, each character can learn something in 22 minutes. In a film, it'll usually take 2 hours. And that's because of the medium. So it's a bit like comparing apples to oranges. They're different because the style of storytelling is different.
Tldr: bc the medium is different, it's hard to compare the MCU to the EMH.
There’s definitely an argument you can make. I just feel some of these characters should’ve been implemented better especially the Hulk. TV definitely has the advantage of exploring everyone further and that’s great but they should be exploring these characters more. Some of these movies never move the character in any direction they just stay the same or somehow make them less interesting than they were before hand. I understand the argument you’re making though and it’s a valid argument. I just want them to handle the characters with more respect.
I also think they could develop the relationships between the Avengers better but that’s just me.
I also wanted to make a point that this show shouldn’t be overlooked because it’s animated and not live action
@@krispykrb7081 That's 100% fair! Thanks again for your video, I really enjoyed it.
Your point doesn't do MCU any favours, since, unlike EMH, the MCU have solo movies where they expand upon the characters in the Avengers to a greater extent. Granted, that's just semantics, since they usually don't expand upon their characters and just make solo movies out of commercial obligation.
Hollywood will never make perfect representations of popular books, games & comics & that’s okay.
Well EMH was basically made in Hollywood
But true
Sigh.
[Pulls out list]
- Who Frame Roger Rabbit
- Men in Black
- Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
- Hellboy
- The Mask
- The Hellbound Heart (aka Hellraiser)
- Mortal Kombat
- Sonic the Hedgehog
- Sonic the Hedgehog 2
- The Last of Us
- Twisted Metal
- Fallout
- Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Mutant Mayhem
- Spider-Man
- Spider-Man 2
- The Batman
- Guardians of the Galaxy Trilogy
- Captain America The Winter Soldier
- Avengers Infinity War
- Logan
- Deadpool
- Speer Racer
- Lord of the Rings Trilogy
- Superman The Movie
- Popeye The Movie
- Scooby-Doo
- Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed
- Doom Patrol
- Sandman
- Sweet Tooth
- Alita Battle Antel
- One Piece
- It Chaprer 1 and 2
- Spider-Verse Movies
- Dungeon & Dragons Honor Among Thieves
- Barbie
@@BigK13372You just proved their point. None of those are a perfect representation of the source material. Even though they are insanely good movies.
@@spencernaugle Dude I literally listed Peter Jackson’s Lord of the Rings, Guiellermo del Toro’s Hellboy and Netflix’s Sandman.
Three works that are near perfect adaptations to the source material they are based on.
Unless OP’s defimitopn of perfect is a 1-to-1 copy of the original with, which is honestly a sterialized and recessive demand for when in comes to adaptations
Not OK if you're a Hulk fan like me. MCU Hulk is a disgrace to the character
EMH was one of the best marvel cartoons I have ever watched and the fact it was cancelled so soon, was a real mistake Marvel did, although, there could be a chance it might return since the 90s X-Men Series came back.
Nice Analysis video by the way!
Yeah, I agree it’s absolutely criminal that every show in this universe has been cancelled when all the shows were fire. It also sucks knowing that Avengers Assemble, Ultimate Spider-Man, and Guardians of the Galaxy got a lot more seasons and that universe got to go on for as long as it did compared to the YostVerse, sad to see man. Also appreciate it 🤘🏻
@@krispykrb7081 This might be a bit off topic, but I think we need to see Earth 1048's version of the Avengers and hopefully they take inspiration from EMH.
@@krispykrb7081why it suck, You are an MCU STAN, those shows are made to people like you, if you hate them & like EMH you are basically admiting the MCU is trash, my stinky & undearest BOZO 🤡
@@Thecoolgalaxywhich version is that?
@@geeebuttersnap2433 The Insomniac version of the Avengers.
It’s so cool that in 9:54 the skrull cap has a shadow of a skrull
A 1 hour video on EMH vs the Mcu?! I'M ABOUT TO EAT WELL.
Hope you ate well my friend lol
@@krispykrb7081 Indeed, great video.
@@krispykrb7081I didn't, I stopped once You clown speak about a totally unrelated show to EMH in the Spidey section
32:15 The best way to describe him in Endgame is a much less interesting version of Peter B. Parker from Into the Spider-Verse.
48:13 Plus she's played by the one and only Jennifer Hale who is easily my favorite voice actress ever, which really does make me wonder what's Captain Marvel's favorite store on the Citadel.
Being down bad for Wasp, Enchantress and Marvel is so real. Man, they really made a lot of characters attractive.
EMH is more developed than the MCU. Comic super materials like adamantium and Uru exist along with vibranium. The villains have access to materials that allow them to engage the most powerful heroes. The animated series more closely resembles the comic concepts and overall lore of the source material.
Great video Krispy. Hank Pym is personally my favorite character in EMH. I watched it for the first time recently and absolutely loved it as most did and was bummed that it got canned like Spectacular. Also did you notice that the Skrull that impersonated Cap wore an Ultimates inspired costume instead of his original comic book look? I also have a couple video ideas in the pipeline and would love to work with you at some point, do like a collab on our thoughts on a superhero show/character, if you're down of course.
Hank Pym is fantastic, love that version of the character too. I did notice the Skrull Cap wearing his Ultimate design, I think that such a great detail and I feel like it’s a nod to that Cap being very out of character which I find really funny. I’m definitely down to collab with anyone at some point but for now I’m just going to keep growing my channel by myself.
@@krispykrb7081 Sounds good! Just let me know.
@krispykrb7081, since you were asking about why the MCU chose to downplay Hank Pym and make him an old mentor to Scott, it's because of his lasting "legacy" when he was Yellowjacket.
He "hit" Janet because of his mental condition (this was actually because of a writing/artist disconnect where Hank was only supposed to push her away but the artist wanted Janet to be hit).
Because of that, Marvel have been scared of using both him and Wasp for that reason and omitted them from the Avengers movie (not completely as Zooey Deschanel was considered to play Wasp in the first Avengers movie, but that was a thought in case Scarlett Johanssen's contract wasn't renewed) and the movie was pushed from Phase 1 to Phase 2.
The last time they were in anything prominent was Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes where they were shown as founding members of the Avengers, Janet even names the team for crying out loud!
The Yellowjacket slap was apparently so bad, Marvel denied the writers of the Secret Invasion storyline to retcon it by saying that Hank was replaced as a Skrull at the time because it was the most prominent thing Hank had ever done in the comics... what?!
Multiple members of the Avengers who are relatively popular now have done far worse in the comics (Tony establishing a police state and locking away prisoners in an alternate dimension in Civil War, Captain Marvel wanted to arrest people just on the suspicion that they may be evil because of a mutant who can predict the future in Civil War II, etc), but I guess a miscommunication between the writers and artists is enough to blacklist Hank Pym and, in extension Janet van Dyne from being a prominent character.
That really sucks man. I can’t believe one comic panel fucks up the character for Marvel what a shame. I hope that he can someday come back from greatness just like he did in this show. I feel like they’re doing something similar with T’challa as the Black Panther because of Chadwick Boseman’s passing now I feel there afraid to use the character for some reason, like now he’s T’Chaka in X-Men 97 when he was originally T’challa. Stupid companies making stupid decisions, rip man.
@@krispykrb7081 I wish they handled the first Black Panther movie like the Ultimate Avengers 2 movie did with the heritage of the Black Panther and what that symbol means to Wakanda, like maybe show us that he has a son in the 2018 movie and have T'Challa teach his son about the ways of The Black Panther and when he goes to visit his dad in the Astral plane, he can ask for advice or something like that. Then when we get to Wakanda Forever, it's not just a plot point that he has a son off screen. Just a thought but I think it would make the whole Chadwick thing less awkward.
I want this show to return but I'm so concerned of the idea that Kevin would force MCU synergy basically throwing away everything that made this show special something that Hasbro tried to do with Transformers Animated for season 3, seriously seeing the original season 3 script/idea compared to the changed they had to make due to the higher ups is night and day to such a embarrassing degree
Yeah, it could either be an X-Men 97 situation or a Young Justice situation. Hopefully if it does come back they get all the same people which unfortunately they probably wouldn’t just for the fact that they weren’t able to get the people that made the original Daredevil series for the new show so it’s most likely not going to be great
To be fair, EMH did take a few aspects from the MCU like Nick fury being black, Hawkeye being a Shield agent, Jarvis being an AI and nobody has secret identities.
And then there is kamala and all of the minority heroes.
@@comicbookking3446Eh in all fairness Nick Fury being black was from the Ultimate universe
@@hagos9939Which was a characteristic popularized by the MCU ofter the post credit scene of Iron Man.
Like in main universe and a lot of media appearance Fury is depicted as white, where he only appears black in like Ultimate Comics based adaptation like the Ultimate Spider-Man video game or Ultimate Avengers movies
16:44 Yes, the Sokovia Accords that Tony signed and later violated by going to Siberia without authorization, as well as kidnapping and blackmailing a teenager.
Love the whole video, but gotta shout out when Janet said “firemen sleep in the firehouse!” When asked why she moved into the mansion. She just loves being a hero and takes it so seriously it really was the line that made me a fan.
Would've loved to hear the Vision take too, but I ain't complaining about length. Awesome job man, love the shows and the channel.
They really need to bring this show back.
I've never read the comics, so I had no clue who Wasp was until watching The Ultimate Avengers and Avengers: EMH and I just LOVE her! She's so cheerful and I think it's adorable how she wanted to be a hero in the beginning of the series. While the dynamic between Cap and Iron-man is interesting in the MCU, I love how there wasn't any bitterness between them in EMH. I've only seen the first half of season one, so I don't know how different things are in season two. I probably feel this way because I've seen the MCU first, but I actually love that Tony's the leader of the Avengers in EMH rather than Cap. It's a nice switch.
cool video thanks for making and sharing it with me
I'm so glad I found your channel. Great video, and your channel is so cool!
I appreciate it 🤟🏻
EMH is great because it’s one world where everything happens. Yeh it’s way harder to do it in movies but each movie seems so inclined and sometimes it seems that other hero’s don’t exist. Love the one world where every hero mutant and super human can live
Incredible video dude!!! You got me through my terrible warehouse job today by reminding me how Passionate creative & imaginative marvel anime & OG MCU was back in the day! The animations definitely shows the potential of the MCU and how far it’s all fell form Grace today! Keep making this impeccable content my man!
I’m so glad I could help man! It’s unfortunate we’re only now just getting some good Marvel animation, it took us a decade but hopefully we can keep getting great stuff. I’m also glad I could give some insight on were the MCU is lacking. I appreciate you man 🤟🏻
@@krispykrb7081 you right about that! I hope they bring back all the greats Spider-Man 94 & Spectacular was the BEST! Hell Iron Man & Fantastic Four animated would hit super hard build it all back up like the MCU yet that’s a lot to ask lol 😂.
Bruce can talk to Hulk when he's out, but never on screen and it would've been interesting to see.
Also in episode 3 when Hawkeye asked Bruce about why Hulk saved the jet he just dodges the question with a few of his own. Plus when Hulk looks to escape and turns around I can't tell if he is looking at the crashing jet or Bruce telling him/asking him or something about saving the people on the jet.
Ross has a big vendetta(if that's the right word) against Hulk and Bruce (Don't know who he hates more) and I wonder if it has anything to do with Betty, who is not even mention in the show.
Edit: forgot to add that when the random team ups happen or just the characters hanging out is funny and fun
Eyy fellow wasp fan. Felt like I was the only one
Nah she would have been awesome in a similar role in the mcu. After watching EMH you definitely feel the void in the early movies. We love our well written female characters.
You have the smoothest brain if you thought that.
Easy rhetorical jujitsu against the live action for adults crowd: Most live action movies need animators for their vfx to work. Most animators do not need live action anything to get their jobs done.
Still wish this show never died
46:50 you should read her solo comics, she's got four runs that I would argue are essential to her character, the Chris Claremont Ms. Marvel stuff is just her whole origin as a super hero, the 2006-2010 stuff written by Brian Reed is just flat out phenomenal and easily her best years as Ms. Marvel, the Kelly Sue Deconnick stuff is great, it's the early years of Carol as Captain Marvel and features some pretty interesting stories. Finally the Kelly Thompson run which is just a fun romp, not my favourite but definitely fun.
edit: ALSO AVOID ANYTHING WRITTEN BY BENDIS, that man hates Carol I swear he writes her like a stupid meathead which she just isnt in any other stuff so there's that.
Thank You! I’ll definitely give them a look when I got some time because this show made me like her character and I definitely want to like her comic counterpart.
@@krispykrb7081 not to be that guy but try and get the name right because the Captain Marvel in this show is not Carol but her predecessor here she's called Mrs Marvel her original superhero name I used to like her as I always saw her as Marvel's Wonder Woman in terms of femininism Thor is Marvel's Wonder Woman in terms of mythology focus to his character
Whoever had the dumb idea of making Hank Pym and Janet old and retired in the MCU and Scott Lang and Hope van Dyne as the main Antman and main Wasp needs jailtime asap. Not only both of Scott and Hope were miscasted (I would pick Domhnall Gleeson for Scott and Lily Collins for Hope) but Janet and Pym are core Avengers characters and they should be on their prime on MCU.
These are adaptations, they take the source material and do whatever they want. Also Hank and Janet are okey in the MCU(it’s just my opinion and that’s it). But EMH Hank and Jan are great.
MCU Ultron does hate humanity and wants to "reset" the world, as he sees the Avengers as hypocrites because for how much they try to do good, it only ends up in more destruction - a constant loop of chaos where nothing really improves.
He "acts human" because his personality programming is based on Tony's.
The fact that they had the PERFECT setup for Spider-Man fighting for battles “beneath” the Avengers and still doubled down on him taking on world enders was so odd. The mafia using supervillains as a distraction for superheroes while the real money makers do their thing was the thing of brilliance.
EMH is fantastic but a few things
Ultron’s mind was based off Hank Pym’s brain waves in the comics and Tony in the MCU, hence why Ultron’s personality is very much like MCU Tony
MCU’s thing is actors are more expensive to get actors even for cameos and the focus are handled differently. I agree Secret Invasion was poor, not because or solely due to Avengers not being in it, but more on how Nick Fury was handled. I don’t think it’s more limited but how it grows is different.
32:19 I just wish they’ve kept his eyepatch. It showed his maturity
I got an idea! With CGI technology and the whole multiverse thing happening, Marvel Comic Book Fans could just make they’re own marvel cinematic universe that is more comic accurate to the source material. Hollywood will never be comic accurate. They only want to put things what they want. But you Y’know what? I say the hell with them! Let’s start a petition for an CGI cinematic Marvel Universe! Who’s with me!!!
Avengers Assemble:
Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Black Widow
Hawkeye
Hulk
Black panther
Vision
Falcon
Ant man and the wasp
New avengers:
Captain America/sam Wilson
Iron heart
Jane foster/thor
Yelena belova/crimson widow
Kate bishop/hawkeye
She hulk
Torres the new falcon
Shuri the new black panther
Scott lang & hope van dyne
Ms marvel
@@jackytran4885😢
@@brandonrivera3 OG avengers meets the new avengers
Not “She-Hulk” catching strays 😭😭
31:28 Thor seemed like the butt of the joke in Ragnarok to me.
He was frightened by an automated introduction speech.
He begged for his hair to not be cut.
He knocked himself over bouncing a ball.
I could go on but I won't, literally, I skipped Love and Thunder.
Yeah, that’s fair. I just felt like those weren’t as horrible as how they did it in Love and Thunder because of small they were.
Hey krispykrb, and to anyone else who sees this there may be a way we can save EMH by signing a petition about it if you look up Avengers EMH petition
SUBBED. CHEERS! GREAT VID
Actually Rhodey hasn’t been a Skrull since Civil War, it was said like a month ago that he wasn’t taken until after Endgame which is after Civil War, because Rhodey in Endgame still has his suit and still has the leg braces and Rhodey in Falcon and The Winter Soldier doesn’t have the leg braces anymore.
And Gravik’s plan wasn’t put into effect until after the final battle in Endgame.
Didn’t know that, so that’s my bad. It still wasn’t done well though.
Finally someone has the same point of view as me as to why Ultron was such a wasted villain in the mcu 11:37 the only thing they did to his character is make him another Tony Stark knock off but a dark mirror of him when he is much more than that not to mention the fact that he was working with Scarlet witch and Quicksilver which is something that is entirely against this character because he'd rather accomplish his mission on his own than working with an organic life whether it's human or mutants because he thinks he's more superior to them 18:13 will it make sense for him to be frustrated due to everything that happens around him and because of bad timing every time he tries the figure out a plan just stop a threat or figure a solution for something he always does it in the middle of the threat invading Earth because of said threat launching their attack earlier than he expected so he has to act quick or else the earth would be Doomed add to the fact that he also suffers from constant pressure from his teammates because they cannot hold the threat for long and they are trying to buy some time for him to figure out a plan while mcu on the other hand had all the time in his hands to create Ultron to stop the threat of Thanos we all know how that went out and even with all that time he had he still wasn't prepared for Thanos and it ended up costing him his life in order to save the world so if anything I'd say Earth's mightiest heroes version of iron Man did a way better job at handling threats who are way larger than Thanos more than mcu iron Man handled their big bad the mcu has been setting up for over for over 5 7 or 10 years or whatever time that was I'm not saying that the mcu iron Man is bad in fact I agree with everything you said about him and I still think Robert Downey Jr has the best adaptation of iron Man of all time I'm just pointing that out there but for me it's a tie because I like both adaptations of the character
my biggest wish is that the mcu would just fast-track secret wars, reset/reboot the universe, and start a new mcu that is much more comic accurate and colorful and weird. would be amazing if executed properly especially with access to F4 and xmen
I think its kinda of a unfair comparisson, because EMH being serialised they had more time and space to plan and develop everyone, but man its EMH it was really good
They definitely could’ve made it better though but I will agree the other medium does have the advantage over the other. I just want all the characters to be done well and be respected unlike what the MCU has currently been doing. I still love both though don’t get me wrong.
@@krispykrb7081you kinda have to understand that movies and films have a different tone. The MCU Avengers were inspired by the Ultimates from the Ultimate universe, and of course it going to be darker than the EMH. EMH is lighter in tone and does have a lot of colourful things. Also The Avenger movies have a limited 2 hours or 3 whereas EMH is a series.
I could talk about EMH all day long
Carol (in the comics) as Ms Marvel and Warbird i always liked but once see became Captain it was like a totally different character.
I can never get enough EMA love videos
EMH/Spectacular always kinda made me feel sum typa way about all the movies, like prime MCU was great, but it never really matched these shows i grew up with
I know people will say “BUT BUT SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN ISNT PART OF THE YOSSVERSE”.
To that I say, it was always meant to be part of it, Josh Keaton recorded his lines as Peter Parker for the Avengers episodes but at the last minute they replaced him with Drake Bell. Thats literally the only flaw with EMH, that they replaced Josh Keaton.
Yeah and that’s technically not even the shows fault, it’s Disney forcing them to do it because of the Ultimate Spider-Man show. Even though the creator doesn’t agree that he wasn’t supposed to be Spectacular, we can assume that he went through everything the main Spectacular did because he was intended to be Spectacular. It’s kinda like the Across the Spider Verse movie were the creator also doesn’t think that’s Spectacular but we can assume he also went through everything the main one did.
19:03 this is why I prefer Captain America and not Captain Carter. She has his strength, talent, and resilience she doesn’t have his heart or perse
I agree with most of what you say about the mcu but one thing I disagree with is when a hero is in Their solo film and dosen’t call other heroes for help there’s a reason for that because it’s not there movie and by another hero showing up it steals the thunder from that main character who of the film that’s like Hulk calling iron man man to help him fight abomination in a Hulk film that dosen’t make sense because it’s a hulk film not an iron man film. Plus the heroes come together when they face a threat they absolutely CANNOT face alone like thanos but if Iron man is facing the mandarin his arch nemesis that he can defeat by himself, then bring in other heroes is unnecessary
That's one thing that always irritates me when people say where is this character or this team because you idiots when you read watch or play superhero stories you came for the main hero
@@Spider-Fan006 thank you! And it also take away the characters agency to bring in other heroes to bail them out and plus the avengers is a team that assembles to take on world ending threats not earthly matters that one hero can face alone
@@Josiah-ko2wf true they're Marvel's Justice League in that sense but a superhero duo story like Deadpool and Wolverine is always welcome though
New sub here! Looking forward to see more of your content
I want to add, I kind of wished Spider-Man would be more integrated into the avengers team after season 3, I looked at the season 3 synopsis and it doesn’t include Spider-Man in any of these episodes. Would’ve been fun to see how his interactions would be with the other avengers.
I appreciate that!
You never know it might’ve just not be in the plot synopsis for the certain episodes. There probably wasn’t an episode centered around him and they just have him as an extra but unfortunately will never know.
Great video. I think you're right and you explained all the reasons well.
My only criticisms are that you gave MCU Black Widow the point over EMH Widow. EHM Widow had a fluid arc that was planned since her first appearance to the end of the Skrull invasion, and her relationship with Hawkeye and SHIELD was great. MCU Widow seems to just be clouded in "Johansson hot" and no one seems to address that, outside of CA2: Winter Soldier and maybe Iron Man 2, she was an abysmal character. Her development with hawkeye also left to a shockingly terrible contradiction to the soul stone in endgame, but people still seem to think that Hawkeye cared about Widow in that scene, despite Hawkeye basically dooming over the loss of his family. Meanwhile Widow stalked Hawkeye for 5 years and, since Avengers 2: Age of Ultron, she was basically trying to latch on to anyone desperately for family. Her dying ruined Hawkeye's payoff.
The only other criticism is how little you talked about Wasp. We know she's obviously better in EMH, but despite how amazing the series was, its possible to argue she was the star performer with how well she brought out her high energy personality and meshed well with both her team and in playful aggravation of the enemies.
Great points! I actually had forgotten her development with Hawkeye so I forgot to mention it. I did also gloss over Wasp a little bit definitely should’ve dived a bit deeper into her character.
We also saw Skrull Captain America kidnap the real Captain America in Avengers EMH.
OMG I HAD NO IDEA THAT SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN WAS LINKED TO ANY OTHER SHOW. You have no idea how happy that makes me. Literally one of if not the best super hero show ever, but tbf Im extremely biased lol
That’s a lot of cap that Spidey didn’t go through anything until NWH. He was already Spidey in the 6 months before Civil War. He got his identity revealed, died and came back to life, girl troubles, trying to be a hero and get accepted by his peers instead of seeing as a kid or nuisance. He was figuring out what being Spidey means and what responsibilities means. I don’t think anything about Tom Holland Spidey was confusing, yes Spectacular Spidey is better but I don’t think Tom Holland Spidey was that bad in Homecoming or NWH
Me neither. I was talking about consequences, he did have consequences in Homecoming but nothing big and then in the other movies he doesn’t have any consequences. This Spider-Man never had any big consequences until NWH
@@krispykrb7081 I think it’s like Harry Potter as he grows older , each film gets more serious as he matures. Homecoming was intentionally light hearted to switch up from what the studio deemed the darker ASM film. Peter in Homecoming learns the benefit of being a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man and not trying to grow up too fast.
Far From Home has him now caught up now living up to stepping up while dealing with his guilt and insecurity of everything that happened in Infinity War and learning he works best being his own hero and learning to trust himself including taking Mysterio down using his spider sense and resourcefulness ( in a way Peter’s arc is very similar to Tobey’s arc in Spider-Man 2 - him trying to escape from the responsibility of being Spider-Man and live as Peter, winning MJ love but FFH has a more global story while being on high school vacation)
and No Way Home was a culmination of that arc and learning from other Spider-Men. Each arc in each movie got to deal with each aspect of being Spidey means from friendly neighborhood protector to being an Avenger level hero and the overall responsibility and sacrifices that come with it.
I would argue being dead for five years in Infinity War and coming back to a world where everything has changed , having his whole identity revealed to the entire world in Far From Home, then coming back from death to loosing his mentor in battle and dealing with the guilt of that ( MCU Peter and Tony’s relationship was heavily inspired by the Ultimate comics Peter being a huge Tony fan boy and Civil War and early New Avengers Peter working for Tony) are fairly big consequences in MCU Peter’s life especially considering this happens on the span of him being 14-17.
I think that’s the thing in comics, cartoons and movies Spider-Man: not every thing has to be big life changing consequences. Sometimes it can be late on rent or utilities, or getting grounded by Aunt May for coming home late (Ultimate Spider-Man#21), or missing a big battle because of humorous situations at his High School (USM#28). Parker Luck is general all around badness or misfortunes that just happened. But here each story the scope and the troubles with Spidey grow.
Yeah, I definitely agree. I was saying that he had no big consequences till no way home and I do get that he did have some in Homecoming and that it’s okay for him to have tiny consequences but for a movie I feel like a big consequence should be there but that’s just me because it’s used in a way to give so much more development for that character. I don’t think Tony’s death was a consequence for him since he couldn’t do anything about it. I don’t hate any of his movies and I respect what they were going for, I just wish it could’ve been more.
Spider-Man 1- Uncle Ben's Death, Peter's Fault
Spider-Man 2- Spider-Man is ruining Peter Parker's Life and that's causing his relationships to fail
Spider-Man 3- Ruins relationships he has when wearing the Black Suit and also made Venom
Amazing Spider-Man- He help create Lizard and Uncle Ben died again
Amazing Spider-Man 2- Gwen dies because he didn't keep Captain Stacy's promise
Then we have Homecoming, he gets detention.
Peter Parker already became Spiderman by the time of Captain America Civil War.
This show should get the x-men'97 treatment it's the best marvel universe i still like the mcu even after they fell off but they will never be the same
Avengers:EMH did everything better than even the best MCU films. If you had a gun to my head and said choose one to keep and one to erase from history, I would choose to keep Avengers:EMH every time.
I agreed with most of your analyis until the spiderman segment.
I don't think MCU Spidey "messing up a lot" is a point against him, he's one of the youngest incarnations of the character and even a lot of incarnations of the character makes detrimental mistakes, sometimes often. He also did have struggles and his mistakes or actions did often lead to consequences, like his overreaching to stop Vulture or him trusting Mephisto with the Iron Man tech. The consequences may not be completely life altering like as seen in NWH, but it still had effects on his relationships and personal well being.
I also just hate the concept of all the movies prior to No way home being considered his "origin story". I've always seen his presence in the later films as him further developing his already established spiderman identity rather than it all culminating towards him becoming a "proper spiderman". I didn't mind him being different, at his core he still had the hallmarks of the spiderman persona.
I was a EMH fan before a MCU. I remember being a bit dissapointed when I saw Avengers, bcs Wasp and AntMan were missing lol
New sub! Definitely need a follow up to this! Maybe a deeper dive into how xmen 97 & Invincible are a return to form in a way & how emh can be looked at as inspiration for the new universe after secret wars? Idk just throwing out ideas but good work 👍🏽
Thank You! I might try these ideas but I already have a lot atm but I appreciate the ideas.
Season 3 would had focused more on the involvement of the X-Men, Scarlet Witch, and even Dr Strange. Its insane what an amazing Season we missed just to get Avengers Assembled
EMH Hulk is by far the best version of the character outside of comics, although I wish we got to see more of Banner. His dynamic with the Hulk was so intresting but always seemed unfair to Bruce, We could have seen him helping out the Avengers with science stuff on occasion but Hulk was selfish and unwilling to share their existance. Had the show continued I would have liked to see the relationship develop with Hulk learneing to accept Banner just as he had learned to accept the Hulk.
They made a deal in season 2 were he can come out once every week (it might’ve been month I can’t remember) so I did like that but yeah, I do wish we got more of Banner
One of them was not really remembered and ended but now it is remembered as an underrated gem,the other was loved by people from the get go but now it is just gotten worse over time and just needs to end.
That's my opinion feel free to tell me your opinions respectfully.
What’s even sadder about the Wasp in the MCU is that she became one of the biggest plot holes after Endgame. As in Endgame Scott explains that time works differently in the Quantum realm so for everyone else it was 5 years, but for him it was 5 hours. So then if we’re going by that logic how the hell did Janet age? If she was in the Quantum realm since the 80’s then wouldn’t that mean for her she’d been only down there for 2 days for her at the most? Shouldn’t she still be young and not the same age as Hank, but the same age as her Daughter?
Unless they some how explained it in Quantumania, but considering that Kang was trapped there because it was outside of time then Janet shouldn’t have been older.
Earth's Mightiest Heroes deserves the X-Men '97 treatment and maybe even make Spectacular Spider-Man actually canon (yeah, Spectacular wasn't really canon to both EMH and Wolverine and the X-Men).
Iron man 2 wasn’t about Tony not wanting to give up power, it was that he knows what ppl can do with HIS name and HIS gear so he doesn’t give anyone a chance to use it for war like the government
the fact that wasp in endgame appears in literally one scene where she is noticeable and her presence amounts to something is when they say "you got it cap" and she's never significant again
and captain marvel in EMH thank god for it was NOT everything captain plank in MCU modelled by modern marvel comics was
spiderman in MCU is a wasted potential and a lot of waste at it
civil war establishes that he already saw uncle ben die and "with great power" and what not
so sure he gets a better suit from tony and just because they teamed up once he thinks he's above the school, that every thursday will be big fight and has to learn that he's not gonna be ultra special hero
ok let tony give him iron spider why not take that away from him
in far from home he's iron boy junior for some reason and while it is understandable that too much pressure and last thing tony gave him would push him towards giving it up it's a movie where things went bad to the point of people in this universe being complete morons
and in no way home things get even worse, apparently "with great power" never happened for him before, uncle ben seems to have never existed AND ZENDAYA STILL RUINS ENTIRE MOVIE WITH EVERY SCENE SHE'S IN AND SPEAKS
so while it is within character's range to get as angry as he gets because green goblin killed aunt may
he is acting like it's the first time he lost someone close and important
that is evident proof that writers didn't even bother googling previous movies and MCU effectively died with tony stark
Agree hope mcu learnt from Avengers Earth's Mightiest Hero and xmen 97 how to tell good stories. Disney should bring back Avengers Earth's Mightiest Hero
But the MCU does tell good stories.
Thor in the MCU is a joke now. That hurts me because he's my favorite comic book character. Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes Thor is the best adaptation of the character thus far.
There is no comparasion, my unestimated BOZO
*EMH WAS MADE OUT OF PURE LOVE & RESPECT FOR THE SOURCE MATERIAL, C.U.M. was made by people who openly despises the comics where is based off(LET'S NOT FORGET THEY RACE-SWAPPED & GENDERSWAPPED TASKMASTER, one of the most important Gay & Mexican Characters in all comic history)*
I agree and I get the basics of what your saying. The mcu tried being serious and didn't embrace it's comic book side while EMH did and it was held back by movie rights to certain characters 4:00 what filter?
I don’t agree that it should’ve embraced its comic side, unless you’re talking about taking good things from the comics but I could care less if the medium isn’t comic book accurate as long as their getting to the core of the characters that’s all I care about. I just don’t feel all the characters were handled with respect in the movies.
It’s a blue filter they added to the screen. For some reason MCU movies don’t look good because they add a filter like that over everything for some reason and it’s definitely present in Endgame, if you look up why Marvel movies look bad on RUclips it’s mostly because of the damn filter lol
@krispykrb7081 I mean the goofy parts. I feel like the mcu being to serious also made some of the character designs worse
Thank you this was wayyy better than mcu especially hulk and thor
EMH > MCU
Ultron and Hank Pym are some of my favorite characters in Marvel (They ain’t beating Spider-Man though). So when the MCU adapted them I was very disappointed with the result though Hank got an incredible moment in Antman Quantamania and Ultron might be coming back in Vision Quest. I also just hate how MCU Ultron looks I don’t understand why they couldn’t go for the comic look.
I didn’t mind the look too much and I absolutely love his voice but I’m glad they were treated with a lot more respect in this show
1:02:01 I would say Batman and Superman supporting cast are good
I agree Hulk doesn’t get developed as much as he should but honestly that’s a problem that’s due to Universal Studios and Marvel Studios having to share the Hulk, and he can’t have a solo film of his own.
And The Incredible Hulk film , the ending was not about controlling the Hulk, but coming to terms with the monster inside and directing him to do good (there were scenes earlier with Bruce and Betty, discussing about Hulk knowing how good he could), which is something he was learning to do at the end of TIH. The reason they had Professor Hulk was more about doing a What If Scenario in how people coped with the ending of IW. It just feels like we needed development. But Yostverse Hulk was better
I still think they could’ve gave him development in the Avengers movies because other characters got development.
I looked up what the ending meant and it said that he learned how to control the Hulk but maybe it’s wrong
44:08 never thought about it but pause. that boat isn’t docked. it’s still got cargo and probably crew on it and Ant man just yeats it
Yo bro! I can't watch cause of work but I hope this gets the same treatment as Spectacular, remember the trivia stuff o gave? Also bye, watch later!
Did you mean the same treatment as X-Men 97? Also appreciate it
@@krispykrb7081Hey pal, first of all I'm sorry if u r disturbed by my comments.
First of all, I want to ask which superheroes u want to appear in Insomniac verse? There is Wolverine game and even for X-Men in future. Personally I want Ms. Marvel/Kamala Khan due to mainly third point.
Due to my future fanfic crossover "My Dress-Up Spidey" with combination of multiple Spider-Man media (Anti-Ock Suit with spider legs, Spectacular Kraven's mutation, WoS Venom's Symbiote invasion and 5 headed kaiju form, etc.) with Marin Kitagawa from My Dress-Up Darling becoming love interest for either Peter or Miles as they both will be teenagers (with other getting shipped by Ms. Marvel).
I am not forcing u or promoting my fanfic. Just asking ur suggestion for 2nd point.
Again sorry if I annoy you.
@@krispykrb7081no I mean like analyzing the episodes but yeah it would be cool if this was revive i can also finally watch now, if something doesn't pop up, I'll leave a review later or tomorrow
@@krispykrb7081
You did very well, gave everybody a fair and understandable review. Here's some other thoughts to think about I guess.
Marvel What If should do episodes based on canceled projects, Edgar Wright was supposed to do an Antman film before Avengers, plus Oscorp from Amazing Spiderman was supposed to be in the background in Avengers, but at that point the film was already done being made, even Fury himself was supposed to say Mutants and Wall Crawler in the end of Ironman
They did Bruce very well in the show but I wished we had more of him, especially his personal relationship with Betty.
The Continuity is something that crosses my mind a lot, specifically the timeline in general.
Using Peter as example, he just started his Sophomore year when the FF debuted. And became Spiderman himself in like March and he was a senior ot just graduated by the time he was in Avenger, personally I think he should have been college age, 19 at least, he just looks older is all. As for Wolverine and the X Men, not to far into the future but time has passed and all.
Questions, 1 your thoughts and possible plans in season 3 and do you plan to breakdown the episodes or do other stuff?
@@OtakuBoy2022 I would think Hulk would be dope to see, also I would really love if they did a Hulk game. Also I wanna see Deadpool because I love those characters. No problem man, I always enjoy hearing people out, and that's awesome that your making a fanfic crossover, hope all goes well 👍
Chris Hemsworth wanted to be Fat Thor so they let him.
Hulk wasn’t scared of Thanos he hated Bruce and didn’t wanna be used only for fighting, he wanted respect.
I don’t care that he’s fat but I want him to be an actual character instead of just a joke.
I don’t think this was explained too well in the movie, they never gave a reason inside the movie
If there is something that EMH surpasses the MCU, it is that in the cartoon the world really needs the Avengers, while in the movies they are the cause of every problem there is.
¿Otra vez tú?
& que m*mdas andas diciendo
¿& como te puede gustar esta serie si el prota es Iron Man & tu odias a Iron Man 😂?
A, & esta serie TAMBIÉN es para niños, asi que doble 🤣
@@ArcTrooper269 Lo dice el enfermo que se burla de la guerra en Ucrania.
@@ArcTrooper269 Lo dice el qué defiende una porquería como Omniverse. Que hipócrita.
@@mayotango1317 ¿& Yo en que momento defendí Omniverse? ¿que tu pleito conmigo no era porque me gustaba Iron Man Aventuras de Hierro? Tan paranóico estas que ya ni difieres a todos tus enemigos, mayoneso 🤣🤣
@@mayotango1317 ¿Omniverse? ¿cuando dije que me gustaba esa serie? ¿& qué tu pleito conmigo no era porque me gustaba Iron Man Aventuras de Hierro?
mcu is such a wasted potencial
Man everytime I think about EMH Carol compared to her MCU version, I just get sad because she was one of my favorites. She's just a honest down-to-earth person despite being one of the most powerful and destructive Avengers on the team. I could listen to her ramble about her time in the military for hours and be completely invested. Meanwhile, I'm struggling to find any noteworthy in MCU Carol that doesn't end in either complete apathy or annoyance.
Yeah unfortunate. I hope that MCU Carol does get better but it doesn’t seem like that’s happening. EMH Carol actually felt like friends with everyone and had such a great personality too bad we didn’t see more of her
Personally, I still prefer MCU Hawkeye over EMH Hawkeye.
Understandable, both are great 👍
Saying that the progression to Professor Hulk is the problem is misguided. Professor Hulk is one of the best Hulk Comic lines, and it leads directly into the much better Maestro Hulk timeline. How the MCU handled the story is the real issue. They took my favorite superhero’s story and obliterated it. They also obliterated She Hulk’s story, and I hope third time’s the charm with Harrison Ford
The thing with emh I like that it had over the mcu; it never fell off. It might have had only two seasons, but at least that meant it will be remembered fondly, unlike the mcu, which has been making poor quality films and tv shows for last 4 years.
The mcu at best was mid in comparison to its potential
Not only Spectacular Spider-Man IS NOT the same from EMH, But even if it was he comes from a separate show made by different people who made EMH, your "ANALISIS" is if I said TFP is a bad show just because RID exists
He was intended to be, which was said by Joshua Fine so we can assume that he went through everything Spectacular Spider-Man did even if he’s not the same version. It still can make sense of Spectacular being in the world and I don’t find it hard to believe even if other people worked on it.
EARTH'S MIGHTIEST HEROES IS STILL THE BEST MARVEL COMICBOOK ANIMATED ADAPTATION TO THE SCREEN. X-MEN 97 IS ALSO COMING VERY CLOSE SO FAR SINCE SEASON 1.
Ok even though I love MCU Ultron, I prefer EMH version better
Lore of Avengers Earth's Mightiest Hero's vs MCU momentum 100
"She's smart she's badass she's understanding she's-" not Captain Marvel.
at first when I was younger I used to enjoy the mcu and it has a few moments I enjoy, but I feel this show actually did what a billion dollar studio never could: honor the source material and treat the fans with respect, the mcu is a crappy joke now and it makes me very sad, but despite the mcu trying to taint what I love, I can always enjoy the comics 1940-2010, I feel like those decades truly are the marvel age of comics, and this show obviously way better than the crappy egos and scum that is easily Hollywood, this show understands these characters and will always hold a special place in my heart 👍
I’m a simple man I see a krispy krb video I click it. It also helps that you talk about things I love
Haha appreciate that 😂
why did you put Spiderman on the list, why didn't you put vision, Spiderman isn't even member of the avengers in earths mightiest heroes.
Captain marvel did improve a lot in the Marvels. The movie wasn’t good per se, but it wasn’t unwatchable. She was a lot more of a person in that on
I’m glad to hear that, hope they keep making her a better character with each of her appearances that would be awesome