GMG Reviews - KILLZONE: Gallowdark by Games Workshop
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- Опубликовано: 2 сен 2022
- The main character of this box is actually the setting itself; the Space Hulk known as the Gallowdark. This new terrain set is a departure from the previous Zone Mortalis style kits from Forgeworld and Necromunda and is designed to be infinitely re-arrangeable with an interlocking tongue and groove system. Let's check it out.
Because I divided the review into three Categories... here's some Time Stamps. All categories are out of 5.
1:52 Looks
6:09 Functionality
15:30 Fun
Overall Score
Big thanks to Games Workshop for the complimentary advance copy of the Box to review.
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I really appreciate the honest review. I assume there’s some hesitation when you feel you need to criticize the biggest player in your industry, but on the flip side reviews like this give me all the more confidence when you say something is great.
Lol I’m pretty easy to please and I tend to keep commentary to what’s things I’ve actually experienced. GW doesn’t ask me to do anything but say how I feel.
I cut off all the lashes and filled the holes in the walls with the cut-off lashes and greenstuff. Also glued the caps on all pillars except the diagonal pieces. After everything dried, using a template I drilled two 3 mm diameter holes in every part that was supposed to connect and added magnets.
With 4 magnets (2N+2S) the connections are very stable, I think even a single double sided magnetic connection could do the job.
Thanks for the heads up on this. You just saved me a lot of time and frustration. I will be digging out my dremmel for this build.
so looks like pre-sanding the fittings, clipping the tips, and masking the fittings before painting, should hopefully resolve the issue. thanks for the warning, if I had painted and found it didn't fit together I'd be pretty ticked off
Thorough review, I'd probably repurpose the terrain into bigger pieces of terrain if I were to get this set.
Hopefully GW will take this info and design the connection points for the future terrain with looser tolerances.
What do you realy think on what anyone ells it thinking? Optemist! But yes the bad build system seams to be a general complane!
Sounds like it has some of the problems Core Space had - assembly of a specific map layout is a chore and there are durability issues which will become apparent with multiple teardowns. Of course, you don't need tools to take your Core Space layouts apart!
Perhaps with a few spare columns (so you have enough I, T and + columns for any layout), trimming of the tongues on the wall sections and a thorough application of magnets, you could simplify assembly.. but that sounds like a lot of work!
I'm very curious what we'll get in boxes 2, 3, and 4. I assume it will have a compatible tongue and groove system, but will it be more of the same, or maybe (probably) themed by the teams in the box. I'm also anticipating that the next box adds verticality as well.
Thanks for the fun, engaging review (as always)!
In addition to masking the lugs as you say, there are two other things that I found really helped getting the kit to come apart easily (and feeling like an Xmas morning Lego set!):
1. Use a small, flat modelling steel file on the lugs - you can get them fitting beautifully in no time!
2. The worst culprits for caps that are hard to get off are the tops of the pillars that are built in to the middle of the large sections. In addition the tight fit is much more acute on the front and back edges of those pillar tops. Again, the steel file over just the front and back edges of these got them to pop on and off easily in no time!
Thank you so much for this review! Definitely gives some valuable insight to this kit.
Looking at this terrain's fitting, it feels like Lego is so underrated. The Terrain looks stunning though!!
Thanks for this in depth review; especially the details of the assembly issues. Maybe this is a candidate for magnets?
Thanks so much for this review and alerting of the hassles!
Well the terrain is what I'm after- I love the look, but will probably need extra sets or bits and just glue it all into several small modular sets which I won't take apart. There is no way I'd go through all that hassle of taking it apart each time
I had this set for my birthday, and ALSO a Dremel and I am happy.
Great review my mind is already going over ways to make this terrain easier to assemble and reassemble 👍
Thanks for the review Ash!
Great honest review. Thank you.
Good info here. I am going to sand all the male sides, then mask everything that is a friction fit before any painting. I'll stuff silly putty in the pillar slots to keep them clean as well.
Great review
Ash my man. Use what we used when I worked in the Oil & Gas industry. A very thin/light coat of any petrolium product. Paint - Dry - Seal - Warm Water Wash - with any dishwashing liquid and Bob's your uncle. Your done.
terrain would be nice for necromunda too
I’m really liking this. But I’ve invested way too much into Core Space. So I might just get the Kill Teams and the rule book
That's a rosier review than I anticipated given that amount of cuts and scrapes it gave you was equal to a small rabid ferret.
Great review, let's a lot of us get ready for the fun and frustration ahead. Terrain is the 3rd player in every game. I think I might end up building a static board for quick and easy games.
Really useful review
I understand why they did the tongue and groove as you'd be forever knocking walls over if they were loose. Thanks for learning these lessons for me. I'll be sanding the tongues and the tops of the pillars back a lot so it's not as stiff. Looks sick though!
Probably a good idea. I'm currently debating removing all the lips and using magnets to snap the elements together.
@@dekai7992 I saw a video on magnetizing the set and it looked pretty sweet. I just started painting my terrain up and have gotten all the big wall sections done. I taped off all corner cap sections and the end connection sections before priming. I then sanded down the end connectors and the exposed cap sections really well and I can put my caps on and take them off with little effort and they still provide a snug connection. Also my walls go togther fairly easy without me killing my self to get them in and out and they also are still snug enough. But yeah if you wanna put in the work you can magnetize which would be really nice once it's finally done!
@@redpill4145 Hey, thanks mate. In fact, I've got the whole set done and pretty much did the same thing as you. Just some sanding and masking and everything goes together great, no magnets required (which would have been an additional amount of hassle, too). One thing I learned, however, is that the inside face of those upper hooks on the tabs need to be shortened a bit to keep the assembled set from "curling" upwards. Cheers!
Micro mask or blue tack in those sockets before priming will help a lot.
You can't just not paint the pillar sockets. Some of them will be left empty for particular layouts so the unpainted nook in the pillar will stick out like a sore thumb.
Excellent!
How the hell have you managed to do such a good paint job for this amount of terrain -- unbelievable.
Those orange Lego block levers look like they might be useful here
I don’t think it would have lugs to grip on but I understand the idea!
Thanks for the review. Really enjoy your channel. Could you cut the tabs off and magnetize the various sections?
Interesting, I wonder if there's a good way to magnetize the sections to make it more user friendly to set up and break down?
You could possibly shove some poster tack in the recesses before you prime it with painters tape over the bits that stick out. I am going to try this when my box gets here and throw it up on my channel to see how it turns out.
Looking at this terrain I wonder if you would review Space Station Zero by Vince and Adam. Thanks
I just bought the Battle Systems: Gothic Core Set instead after watching this video. $60 for more terrain and I don't have to paint it.
Great insights into the issues with the kit. The last thing you need. Not ideal.
Thank you for your review.
I've been looking at the Death Ray Designs corridor terrain, would you recommend that product and purchasing the book, rather than this kit?
Can we have a video of how you painted them? I would love to see that!
Thanks for the no BS review. Saved me a ton of cash. It definitely isn't worth the hassle, and for a couple hundred there shouldn't be these issues.
i picked up 3 copys of the terrain going to love painting but building it could you remove the connectors and use magnets?
A little frightened when you chose a massive knife to remove the caps 🤣🤣
Lol that’s just my every day pocket knife
@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames As usual with this sort of thing, I was baffled why you (or anyone else) would need a huge honking 'everyday pocket knife' but then I remembered you live in Canada so having to fight off a pack of bears on a stroll through the woods to the grocery store is probably a daily occurence.
Hm. Sounds like it would take some mods to the connectors, maybe magnetize the whole thing. Which is a lot of added work.
For the inside of the pillars, you could perhaps use Blu-Tack before priming. Regardless, the fitting issue seems pretty damning since while it appears that you had to learn the hard way, even sanding the connection parts didn't solve your problem. Have you had any better luck with this set since this video was made?
Thanks for the info. To avoid the taping of the female end pieces (could be done but would be time consuming), I was wondering if inserting the wall piece into a corner piece on each end, and then priming would protect the slots (both male and female) this avoiding so much sanding?
Sure! Just so long as you’re okay with the faces of the walls having unprimed parts in those sockets
So basically, I'm going to find a layout I like that I can get the most out of and stick to that. Maybe cut some tabs off for modularity...
It's a project! I wonder if they'll release floor tiles for this set and if it is compatible with the old floor tiles from necromunda?
Hi Ash thanks for the review of this new box set. It really looks great and I cannot wait to work on it. Would you recommend to sand down the connectors and hatches so everything ain’t too tight so it won’t break when building different map layouts?
I would definitely have sanded them down before painting so that they were a looser fit
@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames Or you could just not prime/paint the connection points, no ?
Do you know if there is some kind of compatibility with the Zone Mortalis kit from Necromunda? Things like same wall height, similar width or length on some pieces, etc... I wonder if those two kits can be combined in some way. Thanks for the review!!
They are not compatible. Different heights, lenghts and widths. 2x2 squares on the Kill Team board are roughly the dimensions of a single Zone Mortalis board square so you can try fiddling with it, but even that isn't an exact fit.
@@toferkrz946 thanks for the answer!
How do they fit with the necromunda walls?
Might be way tp prime and paint the pilers without getting paint into the connection. point You could buy a spare wall ebay or amazon etc and insert it into the piler then prime the piler and paint only down side it might be time consuming. Or maybe try bluetack or even tissue and stuff it in the holes and then prime the area, Then use twizzers to get it out once you have painted.
Hey Ash that sounds like a nightmare taking them apart, could you not use something like blue tac or white tac, which ever you have, to put into the groves to stop paint going into them ?? Just a thought!
Problem is you would end up with, well, unpainted grooves in the wall, detracting from the overall look, since not all of the wall sockets are used at the same time.
@@toferkrz946 ah ok, maybe a black ink or something would work as it's not leaving as thick a layer as paint ??
@@TheBeardyDragon182 Inks won't stick to bare plastic.The only solution I can see is priming everything as normal and later sanding down the wall keys so that they fit better into the pillar slots. It's a lot of work and still not ideal. I'm honestly baffled by the entire thing, the engineering of the parts is clearly at odds with the the game design intent.
@@toferkrz946 hhmm massive oversize then! Can only imagine they tested fitted unpainted!
In your honest opinion.. would you go back cut the tabs off and use magnets? It won't fix the top cap issues but you may not have to pop those off if the sides attachments were magnetic?
It would be more work than just sanding the tongues
The only real issue, the terrain is NOT measured right and doesn’t fit together without a TON of sanding labor
Thank you Ash for the useful safety warnings for this product. It's helpful to know that you can actually get hurt from using it.
Seeing this, my criticism is that it does not look like an alien ship at all. It looks like just another human Imperium ship. Also and as usual Games Workshop is quite chinsey on how many walls it supplies while charging out the butt for their products. If something breaks, you have to glue it or you are out of luck. There are no spares. They also way over charge for everything they produce. I worked for a plastics company for years, so I know how much materials cost. Tooling the production line does not fly as an excuse either, since once they sell a certain number of copies that is paid for pretty quickly. As long as there are much cheaper options, which every other option is cheaper, I will stay away.
If you watch a few tutorials on terrain making on RUclips, you can make all of this yourself with some patience, effort, and creativity for just a few dollars.
This one is supposed to represent a human ship. Later versions will probably be alien ships.
G.W used to be pretty cool on no-hassle replacements in the past but not sure if that's the same nowadays.
How do you sand down the pieces? What tool do you recommend
Just a standard block and some sandpaper
Are the walls compatible with zone mortalis/necromunda/ sector Mechanicus (same height)?
They are same height, but the connection points are different.
How feasible would it be to magnetise the walls and columns?
I think it comes down to wanting to play the missions in the book. It would be challenging to do it in such a way as all the pieces were useable I think. Not saying it’s impossible but it would be a ton of work.
MY goodness! Well. I have a question, I have the DRD Notcromunda pillars kit from way back when GW dropped the munda tiles. How do *those* look on this set up? This terrain looks really great, but wow. It seems like there are some real hidden costs to all those positives.
Also, dang that pipe @11.36 broke ALL the way back when you first took the knife out to do the unhinge demonstration. @7.52
I know you’re a really fast painter, what was the paint scheme? It looks amazing.
There’s no excuse for having no allowance, ESPECIALLY since we design things digitally. I learned all about building in tolerances in high school - over 30 years ago! There’s simply no excuse for this - their designers done f- up.
Yeah it is a huge pain to fix this
How suitable do you think Zone Mortalis terrain is for Kill Team?
Sounds like a job for a dremel more than just sanding paper.
So prime the pillars with a brush might actually be more time saving? That's annoying! Conceptually it's super cool though! Maybe they should've done it with hooks, where you slit the components into the pillars from above and then put on the cap to secure it?
Assemble it before priming it and then take it apart could work as well
@@Yurt_enthusiast7 Godd point. Your supposed to pre assemble and glue it to a point anyway. The used modules are single and double wall with or without door or pillars anyway. That simplifies the matter a bit.
Few things in the hobby suck as much as a big pile of terrain that is difficult and complicated to build. GW normally do pretty well on that too, wonder why this got over-engineered without proper testing.
Thanks so much for this review. I just dodged a bullet - Completely happy playing Octarius, so there is no point in going through this pain :)
Is the board size different? Looks more square.
24x28
How big is the board?
24x28
I suppose it's better to start tight & need to shave, rather than be loose from the beginning. No paint in/on the joins I think.
Problem is that you don't necessarily use every single pillar socket in a layout. So you need at least some dark paint in there or the grey plastic will show through in places where you don't have a wall attached.. So it looks like you'd have to file down every single one of the wall tabs for a looser fit... and they still might scratch at the paint inside the pillar grooves. And sanding down the pillar tops feels like even more hassle. Overall design just feels not thought through for what they were going for. If you just glue everything together for a fixed layout, it's great. But having it modular and expect you to assemble/disassemble it on the regular, which just doesn't work with how they designed and engineered the parts.
And even if they really, really wanted to do it this way for some reason, with the tight fricion locking and everything, it's weird they got the tolerances wrong. On many modern kits you can friction-lock a lot of the turrets/weapons and have them easily swappable with no need for magnets, but somehow they dropped the ball on a thing that was supposed to be built from the ground up to be swappable with friction... Really feels like the terrain was designed as a stand alone 40k thing that was adapted to 'work' for Kill Team after it was already manufactured.
@@toferkrz946 It is certainly something to plan for. Hmm.
Damn, that's kinda off-putting for me. I am not the most dexterous of people, so time to breakage would be measured in the minutes and probably not in hours. Maybe sanding it to be a looser fit is the way forward, but I think I'm going to wait and see what people recommend as a workaround, before picking up a copy.
Glasshalfdead had to scape his paint also.
Kind of happy actually it wasn’t just me and I’m not taking crazy pills.
@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames sucks for me. I bought 4 sets of the terrain. Lol
Does it have to actively try to kill you for something to get a 1😆
at least the scenary is cheap, right?... right???
It should have been designed with magnets as a option.
For the price they’re asking these should be way better.
Hmm this was an auto buy now I’m on the fence as I was mainly picking it up for the terrain, really appreciate the review Ash.
I by no means am big brein boy. However this looks designed without any thinking. It's just so very impractical from any standboy. Not to mention the people working at geedubs must be aware of magnets and this being 3d designed they could easily cut some groves in for magnets (that of course if the terrain was designed to better fit). I mean it takes less than 1 minute to cut a few magnet grooves. Sure the kit doesn't come with magnets but it's a quality of life change for those that wish to use it, expecially tournament organizers. The caps themselves should have some pointy bits that stick out and the pillars have top groves in them for example, you just lift them up and tada, no rubbing against the paint job trying to unhinge them... there are soo many design choices, even if you search online and just copy somebody else's ... it's baffling... it's like looking at someone making a wheel and their wheel out of all the choices turns out to be a thin square shape...
Disappointing. Not sure why they designed and engineered it this way. Why not just have notches all the way down the pillar, allowing the wall sections to slide down into those notches like the Necromunda/Zone Mortalis doorways? It could have a much looser tolerance and still wouldn't come apart during regular gameplay if you notched and keyed it right. It feels like they really, really wanted the entire thing to be absolutely rock solid once put together, so you could pick up the entire layout without it coming apart... But honestly I don't get the point in that. I'm not gonna pick up my assembled layout and prance down the street with it or anything.. and they really sacrificed a lot of the ease of use and modularity that way.
Especially surprising since all of their modern terrain kits have all been brilliantly thought out and manufactured. Even the AoS stormvault terrain that's essentially just square plastic hills can go together and combine is surprisingly clever ways. I was excited about this set andI never expected they would drop the ball on it with a track record like that. Can't help but wonder they might have had someone leave the terrain design team and this was done by someone new and a bit less seasoned at identifying sticking points in the design?