CASE HARDENING Carburizing vise jaws
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- Опубликовано: 16 апр 2021
- This is part 1 of a 2 part video class on CASE HARDENING steel. Also known as SURFACE HARDENING or CARBURIZING. This process allows you to surface harden low carbon/mild steel such as 1018.
Here is the link for Part 2 -- • CASE HARDENING Surface...
I will use KASINIT (no longer available) powder in this demonstration.
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Another vote here for a "Metallurgy for Dummies" type of series. Watching a process can help understand it plus you have a knack for explaining what's going on and how not to hurt ourselves(and others) while doing it. Ever thought about teaching? :P
Thank you very much
theres a very good book by Verhoeven titled “Metallurgy for bladesmiths” widely available in pdf form thats very approachable and well written.
If you watched the video Rebar, you'd have heard him talk about going to the school he taught at at 6:00 AM to get the oven up to temperature before class. I think what he is doing here on his channel is also teaching and I'm sure more than one teacher recommends this to their students.
@@flick22601 Sorry, I was being facetious knowing full well he was a teacher for years. :)
@@Rebar77_real Now, I'm one of the kings of sarcasm and I couldn't figure out that you were just being funny. Think maybe I need to go back to school.
Thank you for providing the time stamp for ware the process starts. Most yt creators don't do this.
You could use a cut off wheel to cut in half then etch it with an acid and see the depth of case hardening.
Would like to see more videos on hardening, tempering, annealing. They are interesting topics. Thanks Mr. Pete for sharing.
Check out other RUclips channels. This Old Tony, clickspring, and others.
Yes, please make the additional videos in this hardening, tempering and annealing series. You do a good job of explaining these things.
well now i know what my godfather had that 5 gallon pail of cyanide for he did alot of different metal working things
Do not apologize for rambling Mr Pete. Every little nugget you drop while rambling is a tiny pearl of wisdom wee may never have found othewise. Thank you.
Thank you so much
Thanks Mr. Pete for taking the time to show us this one more vote for the hardening and annealing of tool steel videos!
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I think several generations of Americans will be redeemed by MrPete's lectures how to harden\temper\anneal tool steel.
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I love watching your video's nice job. Not by the book, but impressive results was using a heat treat oven and SS foil wrap. Making a pouch out of SS foil wrap I placed the Kasenit plenty of it into the pouch, put the parts into it, more Kasenit along with one piece of brown paper bag. Pouch then sealed. Heat treat to 1700 for enough time and Wham-o nice looking clean case hardened parts, yes the water quench is done tearing the bag over a bucket. The brown paper flashes off burning off the oxygen. Heat treated A2 in a pouch this way getting clean parts, no cleaning required. You take care, your a great teacher of the trade, Cheers!
Thank you for that good explanation
Thank you for another great video. Perfect timing for my morning coffee and looking forward to the next episode.
Love It..... I ran a Heat Treating Facility for 18 years, I had Blueprints for & manufactured over 12,000 different Industrial Knives from wood chippers, paper lathe knives & Zamboni Ice scrapers. Most of my products were 55 to 57 on the ROCKWELL. Heating pallets at 1250 for 1 hour then a cold water hydraulic press. After 6 hour into Furnace at 2200 for 2hrs, after cool once more at 2200 for 2 hours & complete.....Some specialty knives we heated only the top 1/3 in molten lead which OSHA frowned on... Upon replacing the badly worn ripped & dusty furnace gaskets I realized I was handling Asbestos & then knew why my heath was failing me. I Long to step into a Machine shop & gathering in the aroma & atmosphere again..
I bet you had a very interesting career. I hope the asbestos did not hurt you permanently. Are used to watch the big furnaces at caterpillar, were the heat treated all of the parts for fuel injectors
Thank you, Mr. Pete. As I’m building experience in my machining hobby I find I need to learn lots more about metallurgy. I appreciate your contribution!
Thanks Mr Pete. These are fascinating videos.
Yes, I remember doing a chisel in school shop class, I made a flat chisel from a piece of bar steel, heated forged and tempered with carbon powder. Was a learning experience.
We stayed so busy in metal class building panels, hay feeders, gates, fixing plows and other farm related things we never got to learn stuff like this.. I did have my butt case hardened several times in school and I do remember there was plenty of heat involved in the process.
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Interesting process. We made a center punch in school and heat treated it. Neat stuff.
You mentioned the colors as steel is treated. I enjoy watching the progression from straw to blue and so on. Amazing.
Thanks again for the work you do for us.
Thank you for the information and explanation before the actual demonstration. This was very helpful to me in understanding the process.
Good Morning Lyle, Great topic...yes more please...enjoyed..
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Excellent video. I actually had one of the technicians in our lab explain this to me a couple years ago. After about 30 minutes of brain hemorrhage, I give up and left.
This is very informative and interesting, thank you Mr. Pete
Yes, do continue with the subject of heat treating.
I find this topic and the others you mention possibly making interesting. It seems good to know how to do it in a home shop. Thank you for making the videos. I am looking forward to watching the next part or parts.
Good morning Mr. Pete !
This has brought back my time in junior high school shop class, when I first learned about case hardening and the process of making the different types of metals. I can't wait to see the rest of the series on this subject!
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I saw the disassembly series; actually watched it several times. Watching working machine tools is a joy
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I LOVE .finding content like this! I subscribed before this first part was done. So besides taking the time to make this video, to share your knowledge with the world. I (even though I never attended your class, or even the school that you taught in). I want to thank you for teaching thousands of students (including everyone watching your videos). Teaching, is still an honorable profession. Thank you.
Thank you so much for watching and subscribing. I have 1500 videos you know.
As always, Thank you for sharing your time and many, many talents! Bring on the tool steel hardening videos!
Good morning chuck
When I was in college, I learned to use a metallograph (plus the equipment to make samples for the metallograph) and could photograph and estimate the thickness of the carburized layer. We used coke that was obtained somewhere and the oven was vented to release the fumes. A thermocouple was used to monitor the oven temperature, and an optical pyrometer was used to measure the temperature of the test sample.
A great job here. Your loyal viewers were anxious to see this, and your project was crying out for this surface treatment. I don't see very many case-hardened products anymore. I used to see it mostly on lower-cost tools (screwdrivers) and the like.
Amazing.Brings me back to trade school when questions about these topics were on our exams.How much I forgot and you gave back again.Thank you.
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Mr. Pete, you're a legend and I love your videos.🙂 In our workshop we now use the Cherry red compound. Just not the same as the Kasenit which works well.
I was totally unaware of this product and process. Very interesting! I am eager for the next video about it! Thanks for making this for us!
It's unlawful to use this where I live. Cyanide.
Thanks for yet another great edutainment video. I sort of remember doing this in metal shop about a million years ago. Had to come back for an edit. I remember now we made some chisels and case hardened them.
Yes, these things seem like we did them 1 million years ago
You are like many of the shop teachers I have had over the years, only wish younger me actually knew the knowledge you were laying down and appreciated it more. Great video, thank you!
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It was a pleasure to watch your video. Great job!
Wonderful as always Mr Pete thank you for sharing
Thanks for a GREAT low-tech and VERY enjoyable video!!! Waiting for Part 2!
Another "yea" vote for a heat treating series.
Thanks for this one.
God morning Mr. Pete, Good video and content. Something I will use in the future.
Thanks for all the effort you put into these videos. Always learn some new!👍👍👍
Thank you very much
What I love most about Mr Pete videos, The Detours, Don't stop, You have our attention.
One of your Year 60 students.
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You're still getting better at this teaching shop to youtubers business! I remember the field trip - that was a good one too - the proprietor had ingenious shop-made almost robot mechanisms attached to his lathes so they would cycle parts by themselves - like little money machines.
Absolutely we will join you for part 2, as always Thanks for sharing
Very interesting Mr. Pete. I have heard the term case hardening but have never heard how it is done. Thank you for this informative video.
Good morning Lyle - brings back memories of the metallurgy course, spring semester 1968 for this retired mechanical engineer. Very good practical explanation of the steel Eutectic Diagram that we had so much fun with back there. Great video - I'm looking forward to seeing the next one and trying this myself in the little home made furnace that I picked up at an auction a few years ago. Was built by a former shop teacher here who lived to a ripe old age - my brother in law followed him in that job. Will be fun to try. Keep up the good work.
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On a side note, I have an older flint-lock muzzleloader that wouldn't spark anymore. I read an old article that instructed how case harden the frizzen so it would throw sparks again. Essentially, take the old frizzen off and clean it. Next, wrap the frizzen in leather and then wrap it up real tight. Throw it an old soup can and then bend the mouth of the can closed to semi-seal the can. Throw the can and all in a fire for about an hour and then throw the can in some water. Next, remove the frizzen and clean it again. I did this about a year ago and it worked like a charm!
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Well done Lyle. Works great.
Hello, great topic! Color case hardening is still done - Bobby Tyler at Tyler's Gun Works does it. To borrow for educational purposes, Mike Venturino states, "There are two basic types of color case hardening. One is done by a chemical process using cyanide. The other method consists of packing the part in a dry mixture, baking it to very high temperature and then quenching it suddenly in water. This second method is called pack hardening. It’s a lot more complicated than this paragraph might indicate."
Check out turnbull restoration, beautiful gun restorations including color case hardening.
I mostly do blacksmith stuff rather than machining. The way I have seen it done is to pack the part in bonemeal and then heat it
The trick to making it work is avoid the work piece making contact with the air before quenching. As Liberty points out it takes some planning to make it work. The results are beautiful when successful.
Certainly interested in more content about hardening. I always enjoy your delivery.
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Thank you Mr Pete.
I like this very much and would love to see more about any kind of treatment of metal.
I hope you are enjoying some spring time weather and getting outside.
It’s cold again today
What a legend this guy is!
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Hello Lyle. I have a can of Kasenit that I bought 50+ years ago, still gets used now and again. Heat treatment of metals is an interesting field and was part of my trade course. I have also spent many hours in heat treatment shops and foundries, designing and installing gas burner equipment to provide the heat source. Seen many skilled people who had no formal training, other than years of practice and common sense, producing work that could not be bettered. I am now retired, pottering in my shed and loving it.
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great video, mr pete...the colored temperature heat index of metal chart is some seriously good stuff...now i know!!! thanks!!!
Very interesting process! Well done in the presentation Mr.Pete! Thanks for sharing.
I missed out on one of our schools best shop teachers.Just prior to my freshman year the school discover that Dock Chilson was not certified in industrial arts after teaching it for close to 40 years. They made him step down and finish his career teaching math. He ran a tight ship and kept the kids and tools in their places. The new teacher opened the tool crib and read books while the boys ran wild. The shop was closed shortly after due to lack of tools and supplies.
I often wonder what I missed out on due to regulation.
Very sad story. But do not underestimate the stupidity of the administration.
@@mrpete222 I often wonder if the common sense that is imparted by working with your hands is what the administration fears the most and may be why they seem hell bent on eliminating shop classes. Thanks I know you are busy so no reply is needed.
Very sad story, guy put his life into that job
Accreditation always takes precedence over competence and experience.
@@bobweiram6321 I think that is not the case at the college level. Seems kind of bass akwards to me.
Great video, really enjoy learning from experience.
Another brilliant video Mr Pete, thanks so much for this. Have tracked down a copy of the Tempil Chart and it will now go up in my workshop. Cheers, Alan.
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We had a natural gas oven in our HS Shop. We used a bone meal and charcoal compound for case hardening in our HS Shop. Very interesting video, with good information. Thank you.
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6 am I have my coffee and ready to watch
lol, you caught the annealing right as I thought it. "I have seen you astanding, but never annealing..."
Damn I love that! Can I use that line royalty free?
Haha, I see whatcha did there!
Looking forward to Part 2.
I have been a journeyman millwright for 20 years. A machinist for 15 years before becoming a journeyman. Our toolroom was eliminated about four years ago. They had a five gallon can of Kasonite about 3/4 full floating around. Nobody around anymore that knew what it was used for - looking to toss it out. Yes, I am one of the old guys. So I brought it home. Only used it once at work - toolroom guys instructed. Your video was perfect timing. Thank You for your time and very informative instruction.
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Fabulous! Interesting, crystal clear as to what is involved and in the practical doing. Something I have never done, but it sure looks interesting and super useful. Thank you for sharing!
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Thanks a lot Mr. Pete for this very interesting video.
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Hi Lyle, I have just found this tip on the internet for making your own Case Hardening Compound, I will have to badger the neighbours to save their fruit stones. Regards from Australia. Try using the old gunsmiths trick, fruit stones heated until they change to charcoal, smash with a hammer until a fine powder then use as Kasenit.
Different fruits will give different colours.
The best bit is its free.
I need to buy a bushel of peaches
Thank you Mr. Pete
I've used this case hardening compound to make spring steel for small springs. I use A2 tool steel alot. It is air hardening. Hard to machine but finishes nice.
Love the sense of humour Mr Pete 😀
I was a sparked in a 65 man maintenance shop. Only had 2 older guys who know how to harden parts. We had some obsolete machines that a couple of times a year they would machine replacement parts. Kinda of remember they put some kind of powder on it ( can not remember before or after they placed parts in hot oven. They would pull the parts out and submerge them in oil. Can remember tool & die shops had to take in account how much a part or die will change after sending out to be hardened. Great vid.
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Very interesting video...
Always been interested in the process of Harding steel
Really nice Job, Thanks for all you do, Its great to learn all this and your explanations are great.
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I've bought a can of cherry red hardening compound, in anticipation of this video. But because of my lack of patience, tried it in my propane blacksmith forge. It worked well on a small concrete coding adaptor, but WOW! The smoke and fumes from introducing the red hot piece into the compound was unbearable, and drove my friend and I out of the barn, after I put it back in the forge!! So for those who will try this, beware, it is powerful smoke!! Thank you so much for the video, Mr Pete!!
Then I guess I could not use that compound in the basement
Once in the factory I worked in many years ago we case hardened a shaft using the cast iron chips from one of the planers.
Neat stuff there Mr. Pete.
I was a dental tech. for 25 years. That was the same oven we used for casting the gold and porcelain metal understructures. We use the lost cast method. Wax up the tooth, invested it in a plaster type substance, let it get hard, burned out the wax and casted it. Same way they do Jewelry.
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Great video! Many memories brought back from my younger days. Had my own can of Kasonite to harden the frizens on flint locks.
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Interesting process. I remember case hardening frizzens for flintlock rifles with my uncle. He used a combination of charcoal and leather with some antler filings mixed in. It did a good job.
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Thanks for these videos, very interesting.
Thank You Mrpete Very informative!!!
Yes, please do videos on tempering and annealing and all that!
Awesome Kennedy tool box!
Excellent video, as always Mr. Pete! We would soak for many hours to get usable case depth, and then the part might be finish ground to size. We would also include a scrap piece of metal to check case depth on, by either breaking the scrap piece, or etching. If you have .030 to .045" case depth, when you break the scrap piece you can clearly see the hardened layer.
Please do more on this. I have never really go my head around case hardening, annealing, and so on. I need educating!!!
I’m 58 years old, worked around metal my whole life. Heard the phase “case hardened”, never knew what it was until today. Thank you Mr Pete!
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Very impressive display of "a kneeling."
I learned something new right off the bat this morning, I guess I can take the rest of the day off. thanx
Yes, sit back and relax for the rest of the day
Very interesting and useful information. Thanks Lyle.
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Hi, Its great that you do this. Someone I did a small repair favor for that is a (proud) expert machinist, did me the favor of for repairing a small hardened some what precise machinist vise I use for electronics, that had stripped threads on the jaw that moves (the underside screw to hold it to the bed). He remade the part and it looked beautiful but he basically refused to give it to me until he sent it out for case hardening along with some other stuff he had going, then grinding it. I got the feeling that I was asking an expert home builder to leave me with taped up Sheetrock rather then painted walls... this is going to be the true sign of a quality repair.
I asked him if he could maybe cut a thread into it so I can try to use a helicoil (I thought it might be possible with carbide tools), he just laughed at me and when i came back the next week there was a fully new part made of tool steel. When I tried to do it with a M42 drill myself, just to enlarge the original hole, I just got squealing. (I thought maybe I could buy a carbide tap rethread it for helicoil).
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Just be sure to test the temperature, though that one looks pretty good since it has a analog display, sometimes the crappy 'labeled' heat settings have the knob slowly slide along the years and displace the setting, but I found that the thermocouple circuits are pretty stable over the years, so long the electronics is good (check the capacitors in the measurement circuit more then anything). But I found equipment that had full sealed internal display dials behind glass, with both being offset, on stuff thats barely touched. I have NO IDEA how those parts moved, but I had to take the entire thing apart to reset the dials (but this is for precision electrical standards that have moving parts, i.e. capacitors).
Very informative. Thank you.
Interesting video Lyle, thanks for sharing. We used to be able to get Kasenit in the UK, I remember using it 30 odd years ago in a small company I worked for. The tin was slightly different but pretty sure the contents were the same. Cheers, Jon
Dam more things to try, shop going to have to get bigger. Thanks for the lesson.
Had one class of metal shop in the 9th grade, made a chisel and a tinners hammer. No fun stuff like heat treating or brazing, maybe we were not of the correct personalities.l Anyhow, I thoroughly enjoyed your class on case hardening and would enjoy a further journey into making metals hard. Thanks for presenting those adventures if you so choose.
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This was a very interesting video. You are an awesome teacher!
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Thank you. This was a great video. I remember case hardening projects in high school.
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I worked in a factory that did large scale case hardening. The furnaces would be injected with carbon tetrachloride to provide the carbon for the carburization. I have a couple of knives I've made that were case hardened, hardened, and then tempered in that process.
Yes to more videos on this.
At work we have several different heat treat
methods. Nitrex for case hardening, in the
Tool Room they still have Brine treatment
which is highly poisonous.
When you quench, my Metallurgy book says
Instead of a slow figure 8, to vigorously shake and
or move the part around to create a lot of tiny
bubbles around the part. I can’t remember word
for word but that it’s supposed to help
Thanks for sharing!
This video was awesome. That's all I got - Awesome.
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Another excellent video. Not too long. I would have watched a longer one. I hope you do the other videos in this interesting topic. Thank you for posting
THANK YOU...for sharing. Enjoyed.
I would be interested in more heat treating and anealing videos. I have an oven in my queue of projects to get going for my shop and would find the information extremely useful.
Thanks for all the information presented in this video as well, I am off to watch the next one!