Peter Hitchens | Freedom of Speech and Right to Offend | Proposition
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The Motion: This House Believes the Right to Free Speech Always Includes the Right to Offend.
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Peter Jonathan Hitchens (born 28 October 1951) is an English journalist and author. He has published six books, including The Abolition of Britain, The Rage Against God and The War We Never Fought. Hitchens writes for Britain's The Mail on Sunday newspaper and is a former foreign correspondent in Moscow and Washington. He continues to work as an occasional foreign reporter and in 2010, in recognition of his foreign reporting, he was awarded the Orwell Prize.
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I totally agree with Peter Hitchins. There are many examples on the internet of idiots who attempt debate then revert to personal insult because they can not deal with the comments made.
+byron elenica You must be of part of the internet of idiots also.
+byron elenica I am not a fan of the Hitchins in general but I would get behind him on this.
+byron elenica to the people who disagree with my opinions and who go about attacking me via insult i say BRING IT ON! i don't need ad hominem attacks to make someone look stupid.
so you put the person above the subject of the debate.?
+byron elenica This is exactly the case. And when i say exactly, i mean pretty much bang on the mark. I posted a link to thereligionofpeace.com, i hadn't even said anything about anyone. And i was instantly attacked as being a racist, i started getting messages from people i don;t even know, calling me everything from a Nazi to a Donald Trump supporter. These people are so brain dead, it's almost impossible to have rational discourse with them. They reduce them selves to personal attacks within the first 5 minutes.
I don't agree with Peter on many issues, but I respect his right to say them all. This is not only, exactly his point, but it also shows that it's worth letting intelligent people have their own opinions, because you may find them actually defending the ones you share just as strongly as the ones you don't.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." Aristotle
Hey I like that one.
I notice that it’s always those that never impacted by “freedom of speech” are the one that will defend it, or another word for it is hate speech.
@@izzatirfan1995 define by who? I mean who defines it as hate speech? You? I hate to tell you this, the human kind is polarized, so what maybe hate speech for is very well maybe the kind of conversation the folks on the other side of isle want to have.
If you want to deny their rights for free speech, because you're being triggered, then you're very well killing the fundamental right of having different opinion to what you believe is true.
That's like killing any competition before even there's a product.
Add to that, your comment is very vague, because you don't say who exactly defends the freedom of speech, because they love hate speech. However, I shared my two cents anyway.
@@izzatirfan1995 Hate speech was a very nasty concept it was never about hate it was about setting up a regulatory system that would allow the structure of speech control in other words it is solidly totalitarian in ideal and outcome. You are a scary individual the SOVIET union were on at the UN demanding the adoption of hate speech concepts they were of course as you are, very caring, in between the millions who they exterminated but they were worried about Hate Speech OH YEAH SURE WERE !
As a dyslexic alcoholic with a dangerously short attention span. I agree with Peter Hitchens 100%.
HAHA
If you're black or gay you get extra points.
Don't you mean 001%?
Let me guess, you didn't sit through the whole thing, did you? XD
You spell well. Considering.
Based Hitchens.
*****
In simple terms it's just an internet meme word. Used for people who have an opinion and say it, not caring what others think.
+Connor D Like Based Mom. All hail Based Mom.
+MrCool Mug Hail, Based Mom!
He's so cool it's unreal. Maturity and wisdom is strength. Can't get enough.
if you think Peter is cool... you should look up his late brother Christopher... genuinely one of the best thinkers of our times
Panagia mou
@@ayeeniko greek people
Me too I just love him !
*Morality Intensifies*
+Guido Farage Good to see you Farage
Crafty Ape Ty m8
Guido Farage God save our gracious meme
“I disapprove of what you say,
but I will defend to the death your right to say it”
VOLTAIRE.
I love how the Hitchens brothers managed to show that two sane individuals could hold entirely different religious and political views.
Of course they did converge on certain things.. In Peter's favour was his abject refusal to fall for the jingoism that was the Brexit Leave campaign, something I'm sure his younger brother would have concurred with had he not been forced to cash in his chips early.. Peter didn’t actually campaign *for* Remain but that would be a little too much to ask, sharing a bed with all those degenerate leftists.
Peter used to share his older brother's views, but he grew out of them.
@@SagaciousFrank Nah, that's just crass oversimplification. Both Peter and Christopher (were he alive) would describe it as such.
@@dee_seejay , Peter has said that growing up and seeing the real world not fit the prejudiced depiction of his atheist socialist views is what changed his mind. What I said was a summary of that process. He grew up. Christopher Hitchens didn't, a grown man who liked Tony Blair of all people, and supported the invasion of foreign countries based on complete lies, and because he 'knew' there was no God from being a child, aggressively maintained that view.
Vigorous defense of freedom of speech was a point of overlap between the two of them.
YA CANT BEAT THE PETE!
can't ditch the witch
+fear the fish Can't fear the fish
gtfo
the fact that we are having debates like this is incredibly scary..
Scary, but it shouldn’t be surprising. It’s all written regardless of what people will do
It’s pretty obvious who wants what and why..
Peter is a national treasure.
So is his brother lol
In such cases value knows no national or political borders. The species is better for him having been born.
I find this kind of hero worship unwise. He is a man. He is interesting. He says some things which make sense and other which don't. Just the same as everyone. We put too many people on pedestals and then become reluctant to disagree with them.
brilliant logical straightforward talking,keep it up Peter,never lose your voice. You simply say what people feel but can't express
Imagine if the Hitchens brothers took on the free speech debate together... RIP. Christopher.
I have seen some of their debates togeather .very captivating and you have to be quick because they whizz through them.
Christopher Hitchens equals never ending war in the Middle East.
Pity he didn’t follow Orwell and go himself.
Re question time BBC
It's almost absurd how much above his opposition Hitchens was here.
Brilliantly put. I don’t hate you, Peter. I disagree with many of your views, but I’m glad you have them and broadcast them. Freedom of speech is the cornerstone of modern democracy.
You’ve got to love the Hitchens brothers and their defence of free speech. In fact, I almost expected for Hitchens to say scream “Fire!” when the applause ceased.
The man commands respect.
He speaks so eloquently, I could listen to him all day. Oh wait, I have - procrastinating.
ditto :D
Never really liked Peter Hitchens much but that was a very powerful and well delivered address. Possibly his best as far as I can recall.
I truly hope and wish that more people in the world could comprehend what this man is trying to say. It's a dangerous path were going down and suppression of speach is the first chapter of complete control.
With Peter Hitchens (typo in title) i disagree on almost everything. But not on principle of free speech.
+Wulfgar I'm the same, he's full of terrible ideas, but the foundation of free speech is something that is absolutely core to a civilized society, the erosion of free speech in the UK is nothing short of disgusting.
+Frosty True, he has lots of terrible ideas, but he also has lots of good ones, and not just about free speech. NOBODY is right about everything, and equally, nobody is wrong about everything. Each proposition, position, or cause stands or falls on its own merits, and we must avoid ad hominem arguments like the plague.
+DieFlabbergast What are some of his terrible ideas and what are some of his good ones, in your view? Can you give one or two examples?
+Wulfgar
That's really big of you. Congratulations on finally being right about something such a free speech.
+godriczimmerman His views on marijuana and drug addiction are deplorable and idiotic. He once said drug addiction is a fantasy, which is not only a ridiculous untrue statement but completely counter productive in tackling the issue. He's also against legalizing or even decriminalizing marijuana for personal use. The man's a fool.
hearing the audience gigging and dismisses Peter was awful.
+CosmicCommander yes it's sad as political correctness rules the youth of today. But NO common sense.
+CosmicCommander Wow, how stuck up can they get?
+TheGava4 They were giggling and dismissing Peter because what he was saying clearly demonstrated his scientific illiteracy and embarrassing lack of research. What he said about the actual subject of debate however was completely valid and valuable.
CosmicCommander
It's scientifically illiterate because dyslexia has been shown to exist through empirical methods. To not believe it exists despite not having any counter-research shows one to be willfully ignorant of this fact.
+Nipah Auauau Dyslexia 'diagnosis' relies too heavily on subjective indicators and not objective tests.
After extensive searching I have never found the right not to be offended. Thanks Peter.
Mr Hitchens, you are a hero
Having a society where everyone is compelled to think and behave the same would be like living in some kind of horror movie.
A profound speech from Mr. Hitchens. I hope we all take heed.
You go, Peter!!!
A man cursed at Buddha.
Buddha smiled.
The man asked "why aren't you mad? i insulted you"
Buddha said: "If you give me a gift, and if i do not accept it, to whom does that gift belong to?"
words are not offensive. it's only offensive if you accept it.
The problem is your ego.
The Freedom to Offend is Absolute. Freedom from Offense is a Fantasy. If you do not understand this utterly simple concept of human existence, you also have the Freedom to Off Yourself.
Good day, sir/madam. Good day.
It's Hitchens.
I have been and remain in love with this man.
Definitely agree with that notion. I don't like a lot of the things he believes in... but his idea of free free speech is something I would align myself with
Get Hitch slapped.
I'll listen to this once a quarter from now on. It might help preserve my sanity on the interwebs.
Im not right wing, but I agree with Peter on this subject. Free speech is a important pillar of western society and yes you might be offended by some ideas and viewpoints. I consider the times I get offended a excellent time for reflection on my beliefs and evaluation of other beliefs, I suggest you do the same.
+bayes yoyoyo So classical liberalism.
Why is speaker 4 (the one that follows Hitchens) in this series a private video? Why are we not allowed to view all 6 speakers? Is this not censorship and suppression of a debate about censorship and suppression? How ironic is that?
Coz Kate Brooks (the screaming feminazi) demanded that the channel take it down because she hates how she was destroyed by those she took interventions from. She's a daft bitch who can't accept she was wrong & wanted to delete the evidence, basically
@@joshkenovan7876 She said later in an interview with Sargon that she was playing devil's advocate and didn't actually oppose the motion. But why she debated in the manner that she did was undoubtedly poor
Unfortunately we're not allowed to see it because we all like to make fun of itshe gets a shipwreck by the entirety of the Oxford Union.
Every "S" he says is like the sound of a basketball match.
Ya dun no mate
I’m just amazed to sit here in 2022 and listen to him describe today so clearly from over 6 years ago.
I agree with Hitchens: "Moral indignation is a technique used to endow the idiot with dignity" (Marshall McLuhan)
Remarkable! I've read all of Hitchens' books and just when I think I can't be amazed, I''m amazed...
Excellently spoken.
What is the point of having freedom of speech if it *doesn't* include the right to offend? It's not like inoffensive freedom of speech requires legal protection.
As long as you let them leave their lives with dignity, then yeah. A certain line has to be drawn.
Mgec no, a certain line doesn’t need to be drawn. The only line is when the speech immediately calls for violence with the expectation that it will be obeyed.
The problem being precisely that. Ultimately everything we say will be deemed to be capable of being taken as being offensive by someone either personally or even more alamingly by third party. See the Harry Miller case.
Like saying there is no jehovah I beleive that true so it's my perogative to say so ,as in freedom of speech.but it offends a jehovah witness.no swearing byt it is offensive,maybe offence is only in some eyes .we can all see the same thing differently from our own eyes.
ah the Hitchen boys how I love them
Learn how to spell, OxfordUnion.
+MaxwellBennett The uploader was probably dyslexic.
+askmeifi'mjacknoff That's offensive. Clearly it was ADHD. Or possibly the byproduct of some addiction.
+Mike South Or a _progressive_ education.
+MaxwellBennett Do they teach spelling anymore?
+Tom Greene No, just like they don't teach grammar. The word "anymore" is used only in negative statements in written English (British OR American). Its use in positive statements is colloquial. You should recast your statement either as "they don't teach spelling anymore" or "do they still teach spelling?"
Oxford, the last bastion of free speech
Peter Hitchens: A true Christian, conservative, and a man to model yourself after.
Yes, but he was interviewed with Owen Jones in a great interview, but God rather Peter Hitchens got some rocks and bashed him with it.
I wish the comment dislike button still worked...
Speaking one truth doesnt make him a person to model yourself after.
This is probably one of the only times, Christopher Hitchens (if he was still alive) and Peter Hitchens would've shared the same opinion at a debate.
Very, very good speech!
4:22 What a line!
I don't believe I'm actually on the same page as Peter on this. I feel scared and concerned. This is unprecedented!
can't stitch the hitch
If Purblind Arrogance is a virtue, then Peter Hitchens is the best man ever.
Morality man needs to be an MP
He wouldn’t be allowed to by the establishment, he said that himself during a question time appearance
INDEED: 8 years have passed since this speech, and Cancel Culture has only gotten more tyrannical, more voracious and more terrifying...
youre the one with a phobia
This man is so good and so right that the very witnessing of his words makes me halfway a modern scholar.
He makes valid points.
He truly is the worlds greatest extra.
Why the fuck is the right suddenly the only ones defending free speech. I'm an American and all I care about is the first 10 amendments of our constitution. Not even fellow Americans know these or care about them. Here we see a man speaking nothing but the dignity of freedom, and guffaws are sent his way. It's insane the direction this is all headed.
0:59 “These are matters of conscience, morals and good behaviour”
All too often, we need ‘should’ statements to be clarified as matters of legality or not. Free speech is a legal right, despite matters of conscience, morals and good behaviours of the citizens.
Peter Hitchens has to be the most brilliant English thinker of the late 20th and early 21st centuries.
I believe him to be peerless and also believe he will be sorely missed when he's gone.
Fuck yeah! Speak your mind...
The most important thing in life is our freedom of speech and religious belief , and we must fight vigorously to keep these freedoms, even if we disagree.
Peter Hitchens as always eloquently makes a stand against those that would seek to silence those of differing opinions .
The right to offend. Love it.
So cogent and articulate. - Puts all others to shame.
Everyone has gone through the puberty, had incredible thoughts for humanity being always right.
I love this man
What he is basically saying to those who deny free speech is be careful what you wish for because...
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out- because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me." Martin Niemoller.
Agreed
That oriental girl in the blue dress is freaking gorgeous!
This is a really really good speech.
There is no special right to offend someone but it simply comes with free speech. It’s unavoidable even when being polite.
Dictatorship of rage….. in three words Peter Hitchens demonstrates the brilliance of brevity focused. Bravo sir.
Never forget please, other than physical violence, nothing can offend unless you choose to be offended.
Peter Hitchens - What a legend
Hitchins? Come on people.
Thank you.
Well Said.
FAITH in FREE SPEECH 🇬🇧
Shame on the Oxford Union posting false copyright claims on other RUclips channels.
#EthicsMatter #FreeSpeechMatters
Nice to know that even if I don't agree with the man administering it, that the Hitchslap is alive and well.
Lots of kudos to this great man!!!
May not agree with his views on religion but politics man this guy is such a genius
How true are these words now
Blimey. I find my self in the unusual position of agreeing with most of what Mr P Hitchins is saying... will wonders never cease ?
Him and Chris couldn’t be more different, but it’s so interesting when they reach points of agreement
He is a very intelligent man, but Christopher Hitchens remains my kind of Hitchens.
+Andy Smith With your Labour thumbnail… that doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
+Andy Smith The problem with Christopher Hitchens was his complete inability to make a decent cup of tea. Apparently, before 911 he always added too much milk, and after, went completely the opposite and it was far too strong. He also had the habit of putting the sugar spoon back into the bowl. causing annoying brown lumps. His brother Peter on the other hand is a master tea maker.
It was comedy without the humour.
***** Hmmm. I didn't used to like Christopher until I heard him talking about Religion. I'm with him all the way about that. I like Peter's views on EU, education, law and order etc. Christopher was a very inelligent bloke, and had a much better sense of humour than Peter who can come over quite stuffy. I think people would take more notice of him if he didn't talk like he does. By the way all that about tea making was just my own rather Pythonesque humour.
I think when Christopher was alive it sometimes seemed as if the main objective of both brothers was to be as different as possible from the other. But I think Christopher was the more different of the two.
Peter Hitchins always had a great level of intelligence and rational debate. His brother was a little better I think, but nonetheless I enjoy listening to him as well.
You need to send a copy of this speech to Facebook
Simply peerless.
The one, totally vital, thing Peter and Christopher Hitchens agreed upon was the central importance of real free speech in a free society,
Peter Hitchen talking absolute sense.
But boy those long posh words sound soooooo good.
One look at and one earful of the spokespeople for restricting offensive speech shows clearly the danger of permitting ANYBODY to have the power to limit or stop speech of any kind. Bores, scolds, and holier-than-thou, they are a kind of net-Victorianism that is truly a nightmare to imagine.
There is no stopping him.
I agree the "f-word" is so abused as to just demean the speaker.
Authentic, real, absolutely correct
Freedom of speech is the fundamental aspect of human life
How do you find out which side won? Is there a vote at the end? Do they publish that?
That is the first time I've ever agreed with something I've heard Peter Hitchens say
Hello please upload speaker number 4. Thank you!
The right to offend is legitimate, as long as we don't take it to mean a right to be gratuitously offensive. Freedom of speech is one thing, but mindless vitriol is quite another. In any responsible state, public safety must always take priority over individual rights, and if freedom of speech has to take second place to keeping the peace, then that's a sacrifice worth making. There is no country - anywhere in the world - where you can say what you like, to whom you like, without consequence. It's just a pipedream; like world peace, utopian communism and other concepts, it simply does not work in the real world. The sooner some people get this into their thick heads, the better.
It's disappointing that so many in the hall laugh at every opportunity and don't get the fact that Peter is being serious