So your saying no fighters from the 8th. Army Air Corp flew into flack.? the Eighth suffered about half of the U.S. Army Air Force's casualties (47,483 out of 115,332), including more than 26,000 dead. The Eighth's brave men earned 17 Medals of Honor, 220 Distinguished Service Crosses, and 442,000 Air Medals. The Eighth's combat record also shows 566 aces (261 fighter pilots with 31 having 15 or more victories and 305 enlisted gunners), over 440,000 bomber sorties to drop 697,000 tons of bombs, and over 5,100 aircraft losses and 11,200 aerial victories.
@@airportrunway3987 No one said there were no casualties or how many died. That's not my dispute. The fighter pilots said themselves that the red tails were the only fighter group to fly into the flack with the bombers..
@@adaboy4z To what advantage would that be? Why not if possible fly over it? The German Air Force would not fly into their own flack and risk being shot down.
TABLE I: FIGHTER GROUPS OF THE FIFTEENTH AIR FORCE IN WORLD WAR II Organization Total aerial victories June 1944-April 1945 31st Fighter Group 278 52d Fighter Group 224.5 82d Fighter Group 106 325th Fighter Group 252 332d Fighter Group 94...... NINETY FOUR KILLS T.A. DEAD LAST IN KILLS Sources: USAF Historical Study No. 85, “USAF Credits for the Destruction of Enemy Aircraft, World War II” (Washington, DC: Office of Air Force Histor
Why were the Tuskegee Airmen (332nd.) allowed to have 4 fighter squadrons (16 more planes) and other fighter groups only 3 fighter squadrons (16 fewer planes)?
@@nedstewart1 on the topic of your reports I call your research and finding into question due to eye witness testimony of the actual bombers and fighters There is no reason why the statistics in the archives run by an army that found every avenue to attack a particular race of people should be acredited and be used to discount testimony when many a time the army could not be trusted to treat minorities in the service with any level of decency or fairness Your entire arguement is in question at this point really
@@koc988 Theirs nothing in this world racist about me. I have mentioned before I represent a relative who flew for the 8th. Army Air Corp now deceased. I have the highest respect for the Tuskegee Airmen. Every thing I have posted has been the truth and mostly backed up official USAC records.
@@koc988 Problem is the Tuskegee Airmen kept their own records. Col. Davis would never let any one record a record which was nor true. The Tuskegee Airmen were great pilots and no one can deny that. However, they did lose bombers and did not sink a destroyer. This is 2 examples that the truth was not always told. Their are other examples. But if you check other fighter groups you will find similar errors.
Many false stories were circulated about these Heroic Men. Go to Top Ten False Claims About the Tuskegee Airmen - by the Air Force Historical Research Agency - July 2019
False stories were circulated about White pilots as well. It's part of the territory when dealing with self-reporting and with eyewitness accounts. But I have yet to see papers on the misconceptions about named White fighter groups.
@@Watkinsstudio True. But I have yet to see misconceptions about named white fighter groups being used as a political weapon to reshape society. Every historical event is an interweaving of fact and myth. Yet in some countries openly discussing or attempting to unravel the two from WW2 events is a crime. Some would rather have the warmth such an interwoven blanket provides.
They were the only fighter group with 4 fighter squadrons while the white fighter groups only had 3 fighter squadrons. The T.A. had 16 more fighters than the white fighter squadrons. Wonder why?
Would it be because they had more pilots because the US Army refused to make more than one all African American unit so the other option would be to take extra airmen and put them in the already existing squadron
Hats off to those Brave Gentlemen.
Once again...Why did they lie for so long about losing no bombers?
@@nedstewart1 So much whining, so little time.
@@nedstewart1 stop whinning
Lots of great stories
BETTER THEN THE BEST
They were the only fighters to fly into the Flac and back!!
They were the only fighters to fly into the Flac and back!!
Wrong Again! Americans bombed at daylight abd british at night time. All received flack.
@@airportrunway3987 Not the bombers the fighters... Its parts of history accept it
So your saying no fighters from the 8th. Army Air Corp flew into flack.?
the Eighth suffered about half of the U.S. Army Air Force's casualties (47,483 out of 115,332), including more than 26,000 dead. The Eighth's brave men earned 17 Medals of Honor, 220 Distinguished Service Crosses, and 442,000 Air Medals. The Eighth's combat record also shows 566 aces (261 fighter pilots with 31 having 15 or more victories and 305 enlisted gunners), over 440,000 bomber sorties to drop 697,000 tons of bombs, and over 5,100 aircraft losses and 11,200 aerial victories.
@@airportrunway3987 No one said there were no casualties or how many died. That's not my dispute. The fighter pilots said themselves that the red tails were the only fighter group to fly into the flack with the bombers..
@@adaboy4z To what advantage would that be? Why not if possible fly over it? The German Air Force would not fly into their own flack and risk being shot down.
They handled their business. Props.
Why did they lie for so long about losing no bombers?
Dead last in kills as P-51 pilots for the 15th. Army Air Corps
TABLE I: FIGHTER GROUPS OF THE FIFTEENTH AIR FORCE IN WORLD
WAR II
Organization Total aerial victories June
1944-April 1945
31st Fighter Group 278
52d Fighter Group 224.5
82d Fighter Group 106
325th Fighter Group 252
332d Fighter Group 94...... NINETY FOUR KILLS T.A. DEAD LAST IN KILLS
Sources: USAF Historical Study No. 85, “USAF Credits for the Destruction of Enemy
Aircraft, World War II” (Washington, DC: Office of Air Force Histor
@@nedstewart1 Whine, whine.
Eugene Bullard First African American Pilot Flow for the French....25 year before America had it first African American Pilot.
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Did any squadron or group keep the Red Tail?
A little edit done on the Strom Thurmond remark. When Davis was telling them to stay with the bombers, Thurmond was a LCOL with the 82nd Airborne.
That's some record- so much for being "racially inferior" as many in their day claimed!
Why were the Tuskegee Airmen (332nd.) allowed to have 4 fighter squadrons (16 more planes) and other fighter groups only 3 fighter squadrons (16 fewer planes)?
@@nedstewart1 why are you everywhere do you also have a source for that nvm a reason for this that doesn't sounds incredibly racist?
@@nedstewart1 on the topic of your reports I call your research and finding into question due to eye witness testimony of the actual bombers and fighters
There is no reason why the statistics in the archives run by an army that found every avenue to attack a particular race of people should be acredited and be used to discount testimony when many a time the army could not be trusted to treat minorities in the service with any level of decency or fairness
Your entire arguement is in question at this point really
@@koc988 Theirs nothing in this world racist about me. I have mentioned before I represent a relative who flew for the 8th. Army Air Corp now deceased. I have the highest respect for the Tuskegee Airmen. Every thing I have posted has been the truth and mostly backed up official USAC records.
@@koc988 Problem is the Tuskegee Airmen kept their own records. Col. Davis would never let any one record a record which was nor true. The Tuskegee Airmen were great pilots and no one can deny that. However, they did lose bombers and did not
sink a destroyer. This is 2 examples that the truth was not always told. Their are other examples. But if you check other fighter
groups you will find similar errors.
Did you know that's my uncle😀❤️
Many false stories were circulated about these Heroic Men. Go to Top Ten False Claims About the Tuskegee Airmen - by the Air Force Historical Research Agency - July 2019
False stories were circulated about White pilots as well. It's part of the territory when dealing with self-reporting and with eyewitness accounts. But I have yet to see papers on the misconceptions about named White fighter groups.
@@Watkinsstudio True. But I have yet to see misconceptions about named white fighter groups being used as a political weapon to reshape society.
Every historical event is an interweaving of fact and myth. Yet in some countries openly discussing or attempting to unravel the two from WW2 events is a crime.
Some would rather have the warmth such an interwoven blanket provides.
They were the only fighter group with 4 fighter squadrons while the white fighter groups only had 3 fighter squadrons. The T.A. had 16 more fighters than the white fighter squadrons. Wonder why?
What I si know is that they did their job, and the germans didn't like it.
@@tonyrebel63 Yes, they did do their job despite those who opposed them.
Would it be because they had more pilots because the US Army refused to make more than one all African American unit so the other option would be to take extra airmen and put them in the already existing squadron
@@koc988 The USAAF also sent some Tuskegee airmen on ground attack missions.