Great video! I think you did a thorough breakdown of how the system feels to use and it is an underrated metric. I've got one on the way to pair with my HDZ goggle. My initial plan was to stick it to an airplane, and I'll be sticking to that plan. Given the latency and what not my thoughts are that it will probably be best suited for mid range to short long range (lmao) planes. The extra latency shouldn't matter as much as racing or proximity freestyle applications and the image should look great on these 1080 OLED screens. Merry Christmas bro! We all appreciate the time and hard work you put into everything. Wish you the best
I ordered the vrx combo during their promo to test on one of my long range wings from a screen on my ground station. Really hoping it's a viable option for this especially during winter to get digital video past 13km
is not for racing tbh,, prefer use this system than your hdzero for freestyle, I dont care about latency and fps coz im not racer,, and better using analog for my son when flying race
HDZero VRX low latency on my Android Phone would be great But i need yhe Head Tracking included, or delivered where not yet available in my Online Store in my country. Its best alterative for my Ground station. In the context of VRX4 HDZero.
Gotta note, that using the VRX via HDMI on the HDZero goggles (just like all the others) adds about 25 ms of extra latency (people have tested it), so not all of the latency you're having trouble with is because of the walksnail system - it's quite possible that if you had the Walksnail Avatar goggles the latency would've been ok... Of course, then we're back to the problem of having to have a different goggle for each system... Often, people who run this combination will use HDZero for their whoops & proximity flying, and then Walksnail for their cruising/cinematic flying (where latency isn't as important).
My hope for this VRX is that Walksnail will be able to enable a 90 fps mode specifically for the HDZero goggles (or others that may come along). Sounds like that could improve the experience considerably. I was only able to get one test flight in with my system and was initially impressed by the image and penetration. It was very windy so I stopped at one flight cuz it didn't feel right, but it could have been the latency ruining my experience not so much the wind. Definitely excited to do more testing with it when the wind is less. Fun times we are in with these HDZero goggles!
I think the whole fanboy thing is just silly, there are exaggerations coming from every direction. I don't understand why anyone would want to limit themselves to one brand PURELY for tribal reasons. I equally use my DJI quads and HDZero quads depending on the scenario, best of both worlds IMO.
O único motivo para pessoas terem apenas quads de uma marca não é simplesmente serem "fanboys". Os preços fora dos EUA/EU para se adquirir equipamentos de FPV deixam inviáveis ter múltiplos sistemas para a maioria das pessoas.
I would rock walksnail. I just want the cheapest yet most effective way. Tho walksnail may not be as crisp as 03, it's surely crisp enough..This means I now need to consider the full goggle setup as I can tell and be affected by latency even between analog cameras.
And I really don't understand the "gotta have 'em all" attitude.I mean FFS...who wants to keep 3 systems updated and maintained ? Not me 🥴 My rejection of dji tech has a lot to do with the fact that it does not play well with others.I know that doesn't mean a lot to lone flyers but if they start flying in groups later.....it's a problem.. 🖖🏼
@@renatomarciano15 For sure, I'm more talking about the people that hate on other systems and exaggerate their shortcomings because they are bought into another system.
@@steve_beatty Building and maintaining is half the fun to me, though it honestly doesn't add much work having multiple systems. I rarely fly analog anymore, and I have dedicated goggles for both DJI (V2) and HDZero (Scout HD). Having both has opened up a lot of options on the quads I can fly and locations I can fly them at, all with digital quality. I got into both systems on a surprisingly low budget too.
I bought the hdzero module after watching all your videos on it. Paired to the meteor 75 wooping around the house. My old eyes are not the greatest any more but what a difference compaired to my anolog mobula7. Then walksnail came out and i wished I waited my purchase of hdzero. Judging by this video I am glad I did purchase the hdzero set up. Can hardly wait till spring to try it out side. Gonna grab me the meteor 85 too. Merry Chistmas to you and keep up the good work.
You'll love the Meteor85. One thing I did on mine was swap the quad blade 2020 props for some 2015 biblades, and it's way more responsive. Those stock props are way too pitchy and heavy for the little 1103 motors. I also found it was giving me "core temperature warning" with the original canopy, but I swapped it for a Mobula 6 canopy which mitigated the issue, then when I flashed to BetaFlight 4.3 the warnings went away altogether. Probably won't happen on yours as it'll be pre-flashed with 4.3 (or maybe 4.4?)
@@yonseimatt 👏 Thanks for that info. Much appreciated. Vary nice of you to respond. Definitely going to consider your upgrades. I have usually made mods here and there for better flight times.
Hello Ryan! Very good review, pretty well balanced given the subject matter. Latency is a much bigger deal for me, being old and newly developing skills as well. DJI FPV did not help at all and seemed to be a step back in the process even though the image is so good. Looking forward to the new goggles!
Thank you for the video. Like all products, this information is for consideration and how we interpret the information and utilize the device will be unique to all.
48 year old here, been in the hobby since 2014 or so. I'm pretty slow- definitely not a racer, can do gentle freestyle but nothing I'd be proud to share on RUclips. Never used another digital system but I've received this already, and my 4" long range quad is in bits on my desk as I type this waiting for me to graft in the VTX. I'll be pairing it with my Sky04X. I would never have considered it for whoops or acro quads, I use analogue for that, but I think it'll be OK in the LR quad- and I might consider putting it in my cinewhoops if I like it. Will probably migrate over to HDZero at some point in the new year for my micros, 75 and 85mm whoops, but I think I'll stick with analogue on the 65mm whoops just for weight reasons. I'm hoping I get on with the latency, but it was cheap enough to dip a toe in the water.
You absolutely right about latency also I may add your wiring of your brain, your health, vision etc come to play most flyers wont be bothered to much about the normal accepted ranges allowed for latency
I know you didn't intend to scare anyone away from Walksnail, but thank you for being honest. I have hated Walksnail since about 2 weeks after its release because I was flying at a park & as I'm in the air about 60-70 yards from myself, I noticed in my analog feed, 2 people about 10 yards to the right of where my kwad was. A few seconds later my video went to wavy black & white lines with just enough visibility to haul ass back to myself. It turned out the dudes were also fpv hobbyists & you guessed it, one was using walksnail. It affected my kwad, EASILY, up to 15 yards or so. I straight up couldn't fly if he was powered on. Luckily it was a big enough area I was able to fly away from him & enjoy the rest of my packs and he was cool enough to understand his shit messed with analog guys & seemed to genuinely care & take note. I like analog & I really want to try HDZero, but F the rest in my opinion.
Always best to make friends, not enemies in this small hobby. Most people are great, but there are a number of clique type groups that are mean and disrespectful
@@RyanQuellet For sure. We all exchanged info & plan to fly together next season, but now we know that when he powers up that we should probably not fly at that time. lol. I hate the Walksnail system, not the users per se.
I'm 41, been in the hobby now around 4-5 years. Not a racer, not a hardcore freestyler..more of a cruiser/Explorer here in the UK. I own analogue, DJI, hdzero and now Walksnail from 1s 65mm to 7 inch builds (Everything in between) What I will say is that personally I can feel the latency difference but my brain soon adapts. I just love the current variety that is available to us and am looking forward to seeing more development and competition between the manufacturers
I felt EXACTLY the same flying 60 fps on the recon HD that's also stuck on 60. I was surprised how much I felt the latency and was crashing a lot more even when I kept flying all day. I love the image tho! There's a new beta firmware that improves night and overall quality but the grain is still there. it's a limitation of the sensor and im pretty sure there will be a better camera in the future. Thanks for this review !!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and confirming this feeling on the recon hd. It makes sense it would be the same. I'll try that nee beta fw, but as you said, the sensor noise is just how the sensor is
There's actually an additional problem with box goggles, that's hardly ever mentioned anywhere: Because most (all?) higher definition box goggles are using screens that were originally designed for mobile phones their native screen orientation is usually portrait mode. So the landscape video feed from the receiver has to be rotated by the display driver and this can take a considerable amount of time. After learning about this I measured the _analog_ delay with my Skyzone Cobra X V2s and my older Fatshark Scouts and it turned out to be > 23 ms or even > 40 ms, respectively. I wonder if this is still the case for the Recon HD, especially as the Scouts perform so poorly. Also, would be interested if EMAX found a display driver that performs better on their Transporter II HD. From Skyzone I got the answer that they are optimistic that they found some supplier that might improve the situation for their next release of the Cobra goggles.
@@mihyouko you are absolutely correct. I know for a fact that ScoutHD has this issue and it's very likely the Recon HD has the same screen and same issue. It's super interesting how many compromises there are on budget displays vs premium
@@mihyouko WOAH. I did not know that... So you're saying many of the high-ish definition box goggles have much higher latency than "slimline" goggles? Do you know of any video where anyone did a video about testing this?
@@Vousie yes this seems to be generally the case. I was a big fan of box goggles until I found this out. For analogue, the 23 ms are not such a big deal, I think. But as soon as you add additional delay (e.g. from a digital VRX) it's really noticable. I ended up switching to the HD Zero goggles with the Walksnail-VRX on my 80mm Whoop. And even though I'm really not a very good pilot, I feel much more confident and can fly obstacles much better after this step down in latency (90+ ms to below 40 ms). I want to build my next Whoop with HD Zero to see how the even lower latency feels like. Unfortunately, I didn't find any videos comparing the latency of box goggles with the "real" ones. I guess everybody thinks that box goggles are for noobs anyway, so it's not worth the hassle. I'm not sure if this is true. As I said, I'm really not a good pilot but for me, the difference was like night and day (at least with the additional latency of the digital VTX and on a Whoop - I guess it will be less noticeable/severe for slower aircraft).
Will the VRX run at full FPS when plugged into a 144hz PC monitor? I want to have a dedicated gaming monitor flying setup in my truck it feels and looks absolutely amazing running a gaming monitor off of the HDMI out on the avatar goggles. Almost makes me wonder why we are messing around with funny looking goggles instead of just having really nice dedicated monitors with enough backlight brightness to fly comfortably outdoors.
I think I'd much prefer HDzero for micros just because when flying micros it's all about the fast, risky proximity flight style. Very cool but still no HD system really attracts me for micro quads as yet. Merry Christmas and thanks mate.
I'm a shit pilot and I can definitely feel the latency. I bought V1 DJI a few years ago and ended up selling it and going back to analog. I've been waiting for HDZero and will probably get those this summer, but maybe pick up the walksnail for my 7" cruiser. Thanks for the video.
Ok, so there can’t be that many 1080p mini-oled displays on the market, right? Therefore I wonder if it’s possible the Walksnail and Hdzero goggles actually use the same screens but running at different rates based on the needs of the system. Anyways, just speculating and wondering is a 100fps mode could be supported on Hdzero hdmi in the future.
Do you think there will be ever a cam like the runcam nighteagle 2 pro for HDZero? I havent seen any digital systems that actually have a lowlight performance like u could have with analog starlight cams.
Hahaha watching this on external audio did get a funny look from the inlaws at that comment. Pav at our club is a perfect example that youre never too old to fly
Haha. I consider myself part of the geriatric class of racers in multigp (since I'm over 21). Seems the fastest guys are in high school or college. I have a lot of fun racing and that's all that matters
@@RyanQuellet Funny thing I remember is Thomas (my Son) racing in 2019 in Ningbo against MinChan. It was the battle of the young guns (he was 19), then 6 weeks later he was in Muncie where he won the MultiGP IO World Cup for a second time and he had just turned 20. Someone asked him his age and when he said he was 20, the person said good on you for representing the older racers!! So in the space of 6 weeks he had gone from a young gun to one of the older racers 😂
I had a feeling that this VRX might end up feeling like a dji 60fps camera, which I can absolutely feel/notice. Damn. Good information. I will be able to deal with it but I avoided the 60fps dji cameras for a reason.
@@RyanQuellet there will be many who might not truly “get it” unless they have flown a DJI 60fps cam. When we went through the big dji fpv system hardware drought in 2021 there was a reason that the 60fps cameras were so undesirable. I knew what you were talking about right away - but, it’s because we have the other systems to compare this with. It’s hard to communicate in a video, but I think you did the best you could. For a ton of others this will be their first entry into HD anything so they will have no reference point for the other HD systems. However, when they go between their analog quads and walksnail 60fps they are almost certainly going to get a shocker and feel that “HD FPV is laggy.” I can fly HDzero for a few packs and then switch to DJI 120fps and that feels different/laggy initially until I adjust. IDK if this is a good thing for caddx in the long run, we’ll see what happens.
Is HDZero = Fatshark? Walksnail is a separate thing? Im out of touch.. I'm exclusively using DJI FPV (very first gen) now, but would like to get another HD google for Whoops and alike..
Is there any news on the 1080p mode and whether it is more comparable to the other hd systems or still the hdzero look? Not that it is a bad look just different
Other than you hate it more than anything on earth its not bad. solid. cant wait to get mine. do we really need a 20 minute vided on how 60hz walksnail has more latency than hdzero?
Nice. That's a great HDZero accessory. A whole different HD FPV ecosystem. Nice fit and very easy to pop on and off. I'll be doing that as well when I buy the HDZero goggles. For now, I'm, still rocking Qrqa V1's with the VRX4. I bought the Walksnail pre-order as well and I'm super disappointed that they don't have a 4x3 sensor camera yet. I have been exclusively flying Freestyle 1 watt with Micro V2 4x3. Have a wonderful Christmas.
I don't think it is just latency tbh. Rapid motion creates big changes in video frames at low frame rates if this goes beyond a threshold it causes havoc with the h.265 compression efficiency and probably frame timing also. Running at very high fps 120fps etc makes life a lot easier for the codec and covers up the inconsistent frame timing.
This is my experience also and why I am so excited for my HDZero goggle’s arrival. I couldn’t get 100hz to work on my Avatar VRX yet, but I got it for long range, and not proximity, no way! I am super sensitive to latency and can tell a 4ms difference 100% of the time from testing, once the difference becomes 2-3ms I have a harder time to notice with 100% consistency, but 4ms and up and it’s SUPER noticeable. From what I have seen among some of my friends they are even more keen and can notice even smaller differences than me. Merry Christmas! Edit: I just realized that maybe the younger people that grew up playing video games on latent TVs are more used to delay, I never thought of this before, if you grew up playing on a CRT or in an esports setting (as I did for example) with proper displays, the way you perceive latency will likely be very different from the people playing with a huge input lag, the brain gets used to stuff like this and ignores it, I just can’t for some reason :( maybe because I didn’t grow up with it or have the exposure?
@@Jeb223 first time I thought about it, I think it’s super important, all the people playing consoles on laggy TVs, are just used to it, as they have such a huge amount of experience 🤷♂️ maybe?
@@Okahui on an empty track by myself, it’s all by memory, so all is well, but… with wind, other pilots, or broken attention, the latency kills me, A LOT!
What did your goggles do when you changed it to 100fps mode? Mine (SkyZone 04X) went to a grey screen and couldn't get it back unless it held down the back button on the WS VRX for 5 Sec
My system is going on a big cruiser, so higher latency won't hurt much. It'll be my trial run to see how I like the image quality. I do really like HDZero, but when I go exploring, I want that perfect picture. If it holds up, I might grab the goggles later. That said, it kills me that the Walksnail goggle has no inputs, and no OSD recording. Maybe I'll sit tight and see if there's a second revision where they remedy that.
Do you think there is a possibility that we could sacrifice resolution to gain frame rate in the future, would it be possible that the input could be tweaked to match the Walksnail system in software to get that 100 frames per second even if we sacrifice quality? Thank you so much for putting out very informative reviews. Have a really Happy Christmas looking forward to the future of these goggles, and hopefully an improvement in the short term of this VRX. It was a real dream to have the video quality of the DJI style system with the HD Zero set up, but sadly this may not be the reality. My idea of buying this vrx was to get a higher quality in drone recording for my flights, but if it isn't that flyable then in might not be worth it.
It's flyable at 60fps, but requires changing how you fly significantly - have to be more careful and take wider lines, fly slower. We will see what Carl can do for 100fps. It's all hardware fpga controlled
Gosh, I’ve been going back-and-forth between getting a current generation DJI goggle to use fluidly with my vista and 03 unit versus getting this unit and converting the micros to WS… After watching this video, it seems that this unit might be better for casual pilot that doesn’t fly fast, in close proximity to objects,… I might be better off with my initial thought of keeping the micros on analog and updating my other DJI goggle
I think the real turning point would be once openhd/something like that is ported to hdzero goggles. Since the linux firmware is pretty much open source.. it should be very doable. then you wouldnt even need an external module like this. Just a wifi adapter inplace of the analog module.. Do make sure the chip inside wifi adapter is one of the supported ones from OpenHD ones. typically RTL8812AU, AR9271 etc.. ones
Did you ever own (or at least try) the infamous Eachine analog goggles from a couple years ago that had terrible latency? If so, how would you compare the Walksnail VRX experience to that? I have the VRX coming, and will put it on my Skyzone 04Xs. But now I'm concerned, as I used to have those Eachine goggles and thought I sucked as a pilot when I had them, when it was actually just the terrible latency. I got 04Xs and immediately... I could fly 10000x better. So now I'm hoping I'm not out $417 (VRX + another kit).
Walksnail for hd looks far better than hd zero but the hdzero goggles are the ones to buy because giving you 2 systems to work with which is what I'm doing, walksnail is the best freestyle hd system for the money and hdzero the best race system so have both
Thanks for bringing the latency to everyone’s attention. I feared this would be a major issue with the Walksnail VRX. I think I made the right decision to pass on the system. Still nice to have options though.
I’m looking forward to getting the HDZ googles and intend to keep my whoops on analog via the module port. You mentioned lap timers - I’ve been waiting for the LapRF to restock forever… is there another similar timer you can recommend that’s available?
@@rbFPV Thanks! Yeah, I’m finding several timers that all use that same layout - super simple and will be easy (and cheap) to build! Thanks for putting me on this path guys.
FYI, Running walksnail at 60hz 720p will have about 12-16ms less latency than 1080p at 60hz. 50mb mode also tends to reduce latency in ideal signal strenght. I assume your running at 1080p since thats what your goggles support. That probably why the lag is so noticable
No, this was 720p60 25mbps. I measured it at 54ms for a whole frame latency (vs 19ms analog). I tested later on at 50mbps and that improves latency by 4ms about. The lag is quite real I'm afraid. Low latency mode helps a lot though
@@RyanQuellet Tthat doesnt seem right as thats the typical latency time for 1080p60 . 720p60 usually gets around 39ms for whole frame. Did you test the frame latency with another display? i wonder if there is extra latency on the HD zero goggles over HDMI. HDMI processing time can be significally higher on some goggles/displays
@@RyanQuellet oh that's interesting. I wonder if the HDMI module on the VRX adds latency and then the goggles might have poor latency on the HDMI input as well. Until now most people didn't really care about HDMI latency on goggles.
Bardwell told you not to go past 3.1 volts in his older video on this . . . . . also this is why I refuse to fly my Dominators in anything others then 720p 120FPS because more frames is the way to go. Also i fly on 50mbps 700mw on channel 3 and if the analog flyer is on channel 6, 7, or 8 its not an issue to fly at the same time. you turn it down to 25mbps and run it on a lower mw your even better with flying with multiple pilots.
I have the VRX and VTX combo deal. I also bought the Walksnail Goggles for the oled screens. The VRX will end up on a 10 inch Monitor for FW flying. Latency won't be an issue for me, even on my 5 inch quads. I couldn't cope with HD zero because of the constant breakup...Been flying analogue for years too...🙄😳😏🇬🇧
Guess for my use and my current flying skills It doesnt matter. I own hdzero and love It in my whoops. But when It comes to my 7"cruiser i'm kinda disapointed. Already ordered ws vrx. And i loved the hdzero goggles + ws vrx combo. You can fly everything with it
Right, for cruising, this is probably a fine combo. Put it on 1080p60 and enjoy. Just doesn't work for technical flying, which is what hdzero is good at. One goggle for all the things
Hi guys I don't know if this could be useful. I found that if you run with elrs an higher packet rate such as 150, 250mhz o even 500 your responsiveness increase a lot to the point that indoor flying with close proximity is possible.. I encourage everyone even Ryan to try this out. My test could be faulty cause I did it with analog box Googles connected via an HDMI adapter to my TV with the video signal upscaled up to 1080, but just to clarify, before changing the packet rates the whoop was unflyable even by putting the game mode in my TV.
I started on analogue and moved to DJI v1, I tried one of the 60fps cameras and hated it. Switched to walksnail recently and tried the 1080p mode which is capped at 60fps and had the same experience.
I have every top goggle system except HDZeros goggles which instead I have the Skyzone 04X/HDZ VRX for now. HdZeros whoop lite system was compelling until recently but now that Walksnail has a system within a gram of HDZeros while having on board video logging and 1080p I can't imagine many saying "oh but the 30ms latency". I buy it all to try myself as it's difficult to convey things like DJIs V2 goggles FOV vs Walksnails key holes or analog whoops agility in flight at 23-25g with battery. Honestly if it weren't for the indoor stuff my DJI v2 goggles would be king as the Walksnail and HDZs range is a joke by comparison. Should have the goggle 2s next month to compare. I care little for any brand name and would sell out to something better in a heart beat and I'm always looking for the next big thing.
sorry..ws /dji within a gram ? HDZERO WHOOP LITE VTX Weight: 4.5g HDZERO NANO LITE CAMERA Weight: 1.5 g dipole antenna weight .8 g Under 7g in Weight AVATAR HD NANO CAMERA Weight: 3.5g AVATAR MINI 1S VTX MODULE Weight: 6.8g for an all up weight of 10.3 g but wait...there's more ! WALKSNAIL AVATAR VTX ANTENNA Weight: 1.5g a whopping 11.8 g makes for a lot more than "within a gram" of HDZero 🥴
its motion blurring together at very high speeds analog is predictable , digital is random never the same flying super fast and getting motion blur close to ground , the patches of motion blur are larger and unpredictable with digital
Guess now we know why it's so "cheap" and why they wanted as many people onboard as possible before actually releasing it. Still, could be worse, didn't Eachine release goggles with 150ms of latency 🤭😂
The truth is that whole latency story is the one big bogus and it looks like Video links war, I remember such a similiar war of RC links for latency and right now nobody is talking about. The truth is that our brains quickly adapts to this latency so generally I agree that is more like personal preference and feeling no more no less. My advice is fly something and don't bother some 30ms latency 🤣
35 milliseconds is within the range of human perception. 4 milliseconds is not. I’m still not ready to shell out the money for either yet. Not everyone likes the idea of having snow in their video signal.
All the girls in the room here started laughing when you rattled off those guys as world's best. Humor is always appreciated, but try not to kill anyone. When you said Bubby some of the expressions almost made eyes pop out haha. We'll be cracking that one for years to come. Maybe just a suggestion, get off the drl / racegow koolaid? Hey Anna, who's the best pilot in the world. It's Bubby, of course, Le Drib's little MiniMeflunkie still in diapers... everyone knows that! Evan "ANgle Mode" Turner my @55.... Here, hand me your whoop, your rates are absolutely awful. Let me guess. Defaults...
Ryan - I usually respect the videos you put up as informative and mostly non-bias. This one is not one of those. I don't understand why you and others in HDZero camp feel you have to try SO hard to sing the merits of HDZero compared to the other HD options. This WS VRX was meant for cheap entry into HD ($200) if you already had a viable Google. Remember when SharkByte was the cheap option? I resent when you want to call others spreading lies about the effect of latency, it is more a personal thing. I am 64 and I am telling you that compared to analog versus DJI or WS, I will take the image and penetration over analog latency everyday. I don't fly my analog rigs anymore. So just provide the usually useful info you do and leave the other stuff out of you don't want to lose respect from others that are not so HDZero fans
By your own admission your reaction time and reflexes are too slow, so that means Ryan isn't allowed to talk about how the system feels? Fuck right off. Also who the fuck do you think you are demanding he "just provide the 'usually useful' info"? You sound like a raging narcissist.
@@dooddrones6521 Your the idiot, and typical response of HDZero fanboy. No where in my comment do I say anything about my reaction time or reflexes, so how about you f@#$ off. Obviously you must be impaired if you can't handle flying a system with better image and penetration with variable latency.
I totally agree with you on this. I just flew back to back between dji vista and the WS today and tried to nitpick latency like Ryan did and I could barely notice anything. I think his difference between the whoops he was flying was the real issue here. Probably a 5 gram weight penalty on the WS whoop and that's a huge deal for whoops. Very biased review here defending HDzero again....
@@RyanQuellet yes, i noticed this as well. It looks like the issue we were seeing on the alpha version of the goggles and 90fps cam. But amplified even worse. How did they not catch this in testing?
![☀ Цифра за пять копеек. Нашлёпка Walksnail на аналоговых очках. [WS VRX Stock Test]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Pd8X1TJzJPg/mqdefault.jpg)
How do you think this VRX will work for your type of flying? Comment below
Great video! I think you did a thorough breakdown of how the system feels to use and it is an underrated metric.
I've got one on the way to pair with my HDZ goggle. My initial plan was to stick it to an airplane, and I'll be sticking to that plan. Given the latency and what not my thoughts are that it will probably be best suited for mid range to short long range (lmao) planes. The extra latency shouldn't matter as much as racing or proximity freestyle applications and the image should look great on these 1080 OLED screens.
Merry Christmas bro! We all appreciate the time and hard work you put into everything. Wish you the best
I ordered the vrx combo during their promo to test on one of my long range wings from a screen on my ground station. Really hoping it's a viable option for this especially during winter to get digital video past 13km
is not for racing tbh,, prefer use this system than your hdzero for freestyle, I dont care about latency and fps coz im not racer,, and better using analog for my son when flying race
HDZero VRX low latency on my Android Phone would be great
But i need yhe Head Tracking included, or delivered where not yet available in my Online Store in my country.
Its best alterative for my Ground station.
In the context of VRX4 HDZero.
Merry Christmas to you too. Thanks for being a key factor in increased options for FPV, and HDZero's continued existence.
Thanks. Merry Christmas
Gotta note, that using the VRX via HDMI on the HDZero goggles (just like all the others) adds about 25 ms of extra latency (people have tested it), so not all of the latency you're having trouble with is because of the walksnail system - it's quite possible that if you had the Walksnail Avatar goggles the latency would've been ok... Of course, then we're back to the problem of having to have a different goggle for each system...
Often, people who run this combination will use HDZero for their whoops & proximity flying, and then Walksnail for their cruising/cinematic flying (where latency isn't as important).
My hope for this VRX is that Walksnail will be able to enable a 90 fps mode specifically for the HDZero goggles (or others that may come along). Sounds like that could improve the experience considerably. I was only able to get one test flight in with my system and was initially impressed by the image and penetration. It was very windy so I stopped at one flight cuz it didn't feel right, but it could have been the latency ruining my experience not so much the wind. Definitely excited to do more testing with it when the wind is less. Fun times we are in with these HDZero goggles!
Hey Ryan, would be interesting to hear if there are any updates in 2023/2024 that change this + or -
I think the whole fanboy thing is just silly, there are exaggerations coming from every direction. I don't understand why anyone would want to limit themselves to one brand PURELY for tribal reasons. I equally use my DJI quads and HDZero quads depending on the scenario, best of both worlds IMO.
O único motivo para pessoas terem apenas quads de uma marca não é simplesmente serem "fanboys". Os preços fora dos EUA/EU para se adquirir equipamentos de FPV deixam inviáveis ter múltiplos sistemas para a maioria das pessoas.
I would rock walksnail. I just want the cheapest yet most effective way. Tho walksnail may not be as crisp as 03, it's surely crisp enough..This means I now need to consider the full goggle setup as I can tell and be affected by latency even between analog cameras.
And I really don't understand the "gotta have 'em all" attitude.I mean FFS...who wants to keep 3 systems updated and maintained ? Not me 🥴 My rejection of dji tech has a lot to do with the fact that it does not play well with others.I know that doesn't mean a lot to lone flyers but if they start flying in groups later.....it's a problem.. 🖖🏼
@@renatomarciano15 For sure, I'm more talking about the people that hate on other systems and exaggerate their shortcomings because they are bought into another system.
@@steve_beatty Building and maintaining is half the fun to me, though it honestly doesn't add much work having multiple systems. I rarely fly analog anymore, and I have dedicated goggles for both DJI (V2) and HDZero (Scout HD). Having both has opened up a lot of options on the quads I can fly and locations I can fly them at, all with digital quality. I got into both systems on a surprisingly low budget too.
Will be interesting to see if Caddx will add more adjustable fps modes. A 90 fps to work well with the HDZero goggles would be amazing.
I bought the hdzero module after watching all your videos on it. Paired to the meteor 75 wooping around the house. My old eyes are not the greatest any more but what a difference compaired to my anolog mobula7. Then walksnail came out and i wished I waited my purchase of hdzero. Judging by this video I am glad I did purchase the hdzero set up. Can hardly wait till spring to try it out side. Gonna grab me the meteor 85 too. Merry Chistmas to you and keep up the good work.
You'll love the Meteor85. One thing I did on mine was swap the quad blade 2020 props for some 2015 biblades, and it's way more responsive. Those stock props are way too pitchy and heavy for the little 1103 motors. I also found it was giving me "core temperature warning" with the original canopy, but I swapped it for a Mobula 6 canopy which mitigated the issue, then when I flashed to BetaFlight 4.3 the warnings went away altogether. Probably won't happen on yours as it'll be pre-flashed with 4.3 (or maybe 4.4?)
@@yonseimatt 👏 Thanks for that info. Much appreciated. Vary nice of you to respond. Definitely going to consider your upgrades. I have usually made mods here and there for better flight times.
@OnTele-Gram-Ryanquellet Will do. Ty.
Hello Ryan! Very good review, pretty well balanced given the subject matter. Latency is a much bigger deal for me, being old and newly developing skills as well. DJI FPV did not help at all and seemed to be a step back in the process even though the image is so good. Looking forward to the new goggles!
Thank you for the video. Like all products, this information is for consideration and how we interpret the information and utilize the device will be unique to all.
48 year old here, been in the hobby since 2014 or so. I'm pretty slow- definitely not a racer, can do gentle freestyle but nothing I'd be proud to share on RUclips. Never used another digital system but I've received this already, and my 4" long range quad is in bits on my desk as I type this waiting for me to graft in the VTX. I'll be pairing it with my Sky04X. I would never have considered it for whoops or acro quads, I use analogue for that, but I think it'll be OK in the LR quad- and I might consider putting it in my cinewhoops if I like it. Will probably migrate over to HDZero at some point in the new year for my micros, 75 and 85mm whoops, but I think I'll stick with analogue on the 65mm whoops just for weight reasons. I'm hoping I get on with the latency, but it was cheap enough to dip a toe in the water.
You absolutely right about latency also I may add your wiring of your brain, your health, vision etc come to play most flyers wont be bothered to much about the normal accepted ranges allowed for latency
I know you didn't intend to scare anyone away from Walksnail, but thank you for being honest. I have hated Walksnail since about 2 weeks after its release because I was flying at a park & as I'm in the air about 60-70 yards from myself, I noticed in my analog feed, 2 people about 10 yards to the right of where my kwad was. A few seconds later my video went to wavy black & white lines with just enough visibility to haul ass back to myself. It turned out the dudes were also fpv hobbyists & you guessed it, one was using walksnail. It affected my kwad, EASILY, up to 15 yards or so. I straight up couldn't fly if he was powered on. Luckily it was a big enough area I was able to fly away from him & enjoy the rest of my packs and he was cool enough to understand his shit messed with analog guys & seemed to genuinely care & take note. I like analog & I really want to try HDZero, but F the rest in my opinion.
Always best to make friends, not enemies in this small hobby. Most people are great, but there are a number of clique type groups that are mean and disrespectful
@@RyanQuellet For sure. We all exchanged info & plan to fly together next season, but now we know that when he powers up that we should probably not fly at that time. lol. I hate the Walksnail system, not the users per se.
@@kingkieck Odds are, you could figure out what channels are being used. Should be fairly easy to de-conflict the two and fly simultaneously.
@@jaysonrees738 that much is true. That's one of the things we discussed briefly in our short time together.
@@jaysonrees738 would have been better if dji hadn't designed such an intrusive system in the first place...
Thanks very much, Ryan. Your thorough reviews are really appreciated. Happy festive season to you and your family ;-)
I'm 41, been in the hobby now around 4-5 years. Not a racer, not a hardcore freestyler..more of a cruiser/Explorer here in the UK.
I own analogue, DJI, hdzero and now Walksnail from 1s 65mm to 7 inch builds (Everything in between)
What I will say is that personally I can feel the latency difference but my brain soon adapts.
I just love the current variety that is available to us and am looking forward to seeing more development and competition between the manufacturers
I felt EXACTLY the same flying 60 fps on the recon HD that's also stuck on 60. I was surprised how much I felt the latency and was crashing a lot more even when I kept flying all day. I love the image tho! There's a new beta firmware that improves night and overall quality but the grain is still there. it's a limitation of the sensor and im pretty sure there will be a better camera in the future. Thanks for this review !!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and confirming this feeling on the recon hd. It makes sense it would be the same. I'll try that nee beta fw, but as you said, the sensor noise is just how the sensor is
There's actually an additional problem with box goggles, that's hardly ever mentioned anywhere: Because most (all?) higher definition box goggles are using screens that were originally designed for mobile phones their native screen orientation is usually portrait mode. So the landscape video feed from the receiver has to be rotated by the display driver and this can take a considerable amount of time. After learning about this I measured the _analog_ delay with my Skyzone Cobra X V2s and my older Fatshark Scouts and it turned out to be > 23 ms or even > 40 ms, respectively. I wonder if this is still the case for the Recon HD, especially as the Scouts perform so poorly. Also, would be interested if EMAX found a display driver that performs better on their Transporter II HD. From Skyzone I got the answer that they are optimistic that they found some supplier that might improve the situation for their next release of the Cobra goggles.
@@mihyouko you are absolutely correct. I know for a fact that ScoutHD has this issue and it's very likely the Recon HD has the same screen and same issue. It's super interesting how many compromises there are on budget displays vs premium
@@mihyouko WOAH. I did not know that... So you're saying many of the high-ish definition box goggles have much higher latency than "slimline" goggles? Do you know of any video where anyone did a video about testing this?
@@Vousie yes this seems to be generally the case. I was a big fan of box goggles until I found this out. For analogue, the 23 ms are not such a big deal, I think. But as soon as you add additional delay (e.g. from a digital VRX) it's really noticable. I ended up switching to the HD Zero goggles with the Walksnail-VRX on my 80mm Whoop. And even though I'm really not a very good pilot, I feel much more confident and can fly obstacles much better after this step down in latency (90+ ms to below 40 ms). I want to build my next Whoop with HD Zero to see how the even lower latency feels like.
Unfortunately, I didn't find any videos comparing the latency of box goggles with the "real" ones. I guess everybody thinks that box goggles are for noobs anyway, so it's not worth the hassle. I'm not sure if this is true. As I said, I'm really not a good pilot but for me, the difference was like night and day (at least with the additional latency of the digital VTX and on a Whoop - I guess it will be less noticeable/severe for slower aircraft).
Will work out fine for me Ryan. I’m using it on my fixed wing planes.
Yes, I think it'll do fine for that
Will the VRX run at full FPS when plugged into a 144hz PC monitor? I want to have a dedicated gaming monitor flying setup in my truck it feels and looks absolutely amazing running a gaming monitor off of the HDMI out on the avatar goggles. Almost makes me wonder why we are messing around with funny looking goggles instead of just having really nice dedicated monitors with enough backlight brightness to fly comfortably outdoors.
nice you answered this in the video already i got all excited at the prospect and commented before watching the whole thing
Right, gaming monitor to the rescue, but I'm not lugging this monitor to the field with me
Good job
Love from indian fpv community😍
I think I'd much prefer HDzero for micros just because when flying micros it's all about the fast, risky proximity flight style. Very cool but still no HD system really attracts me for micro quads as yet. Merry Christmas and thanks mate.
I'm a shit pilot and I can definitely feel the latency. I bought V1 DJI a few years ago and ended up selling it and going back to analog. I've been waiting for HDZero and will probably get those this summer, but maybe pick up the walksnail for my 7" cruiser.
Thanks for the video.
Hey Ryan, wondering if you have identified the transmitting antenna of the module. Hope I could put a crosshair on it once I receive mine.
TY for the info. Probably an X for me with the 60fps limit. Makes sense.
Ok, so there can’t be that many 1080p mini-oled displays on the market, right? Therefore I wonder if it’s possible the Walksnail and Hdzero goggles actually use the same screens but running at different rates based on the needs of the system. Anyways, just speculating and wondering is a 100fps mode could be supported on Hdzero hdmi in the future.
Yes, I think the OLED panel is the same as the WS goggle. It is maybe possible
Do you think there will be ever a cam like the runcam nighteagle 2 pro for HDZero?
I havent seen any digital systems that actually have a lowlight performance like u could have with analog starlight cams.
Certainly possible. Also, if you remove the ir block filter from the micro v2 cam, I think you'll be impressed with its low light capabilities
Fantastic video as usual, however I do disagree with one aspect!! As a 34 year old you're still a baby 😜
Hahaha watching this on external audio did get a funny look from the inlaws at that comment. Pav at our club is a perfect example that youre never too old to fly
Haha. I consider myself part of the geriatric class of racers in multigp (since I'm over 21). Seems the fastest guys are in high school or college. I have a lot of fun racing and that's all that matters
@@RyanQuellet Funny thing I remember is Thomas (my Son) racing in 2019 in Ningbo against MinChan. It was the battle of the young guns (he was 19), then 6 weeks later he was in Muncie where he won the MultiGP IO World Cup for a second time and he had just turned 20. Someone asked him his age and when he said he was 20, the person said good on you for representing the older racers!! So in the space of 6 weeks he had gone from a young gun to one of the older racers 😂
Really good, blanaced and honest thoughts there. Can't see any reason to disagree with anything you've said 👌
Thanks
Good review Ryan, I'm curious what you will think outside when the weather is nicer.
I am dying to fly outside again. Its going to be a while though
Well said... Merry Christmas 🎄❄️
Merry Christmas
I had a feeling that this VRX might end up feeling like a dji 60fps camera, which I can absolutely feel/notice. Damn. Good information. I will be able to deal with it but I avoided the 60fps dji cameras for a reason.
Yes, exactly. I will still use it for cruising and stuff, but not technical flying
@@RyanQuellet there will be many who might not truly “get it” unless they have flown a DJI 60fps cam. When we went through the big dji fpv system hardware drought in 2021 there was a reason that the 60fps cameras were so undesirable.
I knew what you were talking about right away - but, it’s because we have the other systems to compare this with. It’s hard to communicate in a video, but I think you did the best you could.
For a ton of others this will be their first entry into HD anything so they will have no reference point for the other HD systems. However, when they go between their analog quads and walksnail 60fps they are almost certainly going to get a shocker and feel that “HD FPV is laggy.” I can fly HDzero for a few packs and then switch to DJI 120fps and that feels different/laggy initially until I adjust.
IDK if this is a good thing for caddx in the long run, we’ll see what happens.
Some of the walksnail will do 720p 120fps, I'm betting that's where this shines. 60fps is definitely noticeable.
@@DustinLKimble I’m trying it out soon and will fly walksnail 60fps and then dji 120fps and see how much of a difference I notice. 👍
I'm very interested in your experience with 60fps ws vrx
Is HDZero = Fatshark? Walksnail is a separate thing? Im out of touch..
I'm exclusively using DJI FPV (very first gen) now, but would like to get another HD google for Whoops and alike..
Thank you for this very informative review..so is the latency you are experiencing with the vrx same as when people have the walk snail goggles?
Yes, the latency at 60fps should be the same as 60fps on walksnail goggles
@@RyanQuellet 🤯
Is there any news on the 1080p mode and whether it is more comparable to the other hd systems or still the hdzero look? Not that it is a bad look just different
Other than you hate it more than anything on earth its not bad. solid. cant wait to get mine. do we really need a 20 minute vided on how 60hz walksnail has more latency than hdzero?
Nice. That's a great HDZero accessory. A whole different HD FPV ecosystem. Nice fit and very easy to pop on and off. I'll be doing that as well when I buy the HDZero goggles. For now, I'm, still rocking Qrqa V1's with the VRX4. I bought the Walksnail pre-order as well and I'm super disappointed that they don't have a 4x3 sensor camera yet. I have been exclusively flying Freestyle 1 watt with Micro V2 4x3. Have a wonderful Christmas.
Right, the 4:3 mode on this actually crops the 16:9 view. Pretty odd and I should have mentioned that
@@RyanQuellet will this still use the full displays in the Orqas v1 goggles
@@Ijem7v I don't think so. It seems the output is 16:9 only
Merry Christmas! :D
Merry Christmas!
I can definitely feel the latency with the 60fps cameras takes couple packs to adjust that's flying planes with servos. Quads probably really bad
I don't think it is just latency tbh.
Rapid motion creates big changes in video frames at low frame rates if this goes beyond a threshold it causes havoc with the h.265 compression efficiency and probably frame timing also.
Running at very high fps 120fps etc makes life a lot easier for the codec and covers up the inconsistent frame timing.
Higher fps does help hide it. It also reduces the pipeline time. Still has the same feel as DJI retransmission architecture
This is my experience also and why I am so excited for my HDZero goggle’s arrival.
I couldn’t get 100hz to work on my Avatar VRX yet, but I got it for long range, and not proximity, no way!
I am super sensitive to latency and can tell a 4ms difference 100% of the time from testing, once the difference becomes 2-3ms I have a harder time to notice with 100% consistency, but 4ms and up and it’s SUPER noticeable. From what I have seen among some of my friends they are even more keen and can notice even smaller differences than me.
Merry Christmas!
Edit: I just realized that maybe the younger people that grew up playing video games on latent TVs are more used to delay, I never thought of this before, if you grew up playing on a CRT or in an esports setting (as I did for example) with proper displays, the way you perceive latency will likely be very different from the people playing with a huge input lag, the brain gets used to stuff like this and ignores it, I just can’t for some reason :( maybe because I didn’t grow up with it or have the exposure?
its all part of muscle memory man. enough practice should get u over that 4ms
That's a really interesting point about laggy tv.
@@Jeb223 first time I thought about it, I think it’s super important, all the people playing consoles on laggy TVs, are just used to it, as they have such a huge amount of experience 🤷♂️ maybe?
@@Okahui on an empty track by myself, it’s all by memory, so all is well, but…
with wind, other pilots, or broken attention, the latency kills me, A LOT!
My understanding is that you can adapt to longer fixed latency (within limits) but the variable opens up your window of error
Yes, both of these matter
Great info, thank you!
What did your goggles do when you changed it to 100fps mode? Mine (SkyZone 04X) went to a grey screen and couldn't get it back unless it held down the back button on the WS VRX for 5 Sec
Same, had to hold the baxk button for 5sec
@@RyanQuellet What happened when you did the same thing on the HD Zero goggles?
So is the input on the hdz goggle 60 hertz only? Or would it work with a 90 hertz input?
90hz 720p is coming soon. Otherwise, it is 1080p60 or 720p60
Want to see about changing the vrx patches. I hear walksnail antennas aren't the best
Hi Ryan, when will the hdzero goggles comes in stock? Any plans for new form factor vtx like 16*16 or a stacked one?
2 weeks
My system is going on a big cruiser, so higher latency won't hurt much. It'll be my trial run to see how I like the image quality. I do really like HDZero, but when I go exploring, I want that perfect picture. If it holds up, I might grab the goggles later. That said, it kills me that the Walksnail goggle has no inputs, and no OSD recording. Maybe I'll sit tight and see if there's a second revision where they remedy that.
For cruising you'll probably want the 1080p60 mode anyway. In which case, this might be a fine goggle and vrx for you
do you need to have antennas attached to the hdzero sma connectors when using walksnail or analog?
No, I just kept them on because I was lazy 😄
@@RyanQuellet so you are able to power up the goggles without the Hdzero antenna and not damage the vrx system?
Hi any idea when are we starting to get our goggles thanks ❤
Nice one. Is it possible to connect to laptop or android?
I'm waiting the re-stock of the HDZero goggles!
Do you think there is a possibility that we could sacrifice resolution to gain frame rate in the future, would it be possible that the input could be tweaked to match the Walksnail system in software to get that 100 frames per second even if we sacrifice quality? Thank you so much for putting out very informative reviews. Have a really Happy Christmas looking forward to the future of these goggles, and hopefully an improvement in the short term of this VRX. It was a real dream to have the video quality of the DJI style system with the HD Zero set up, but sadly this may not be the reality.
My idea of buying this vrx was to get a higher quality in drone recording for my flights, but if it isn't that flyable then in might not be worth it.
It's flyable at 60fps, but requires changing how you fly significantly - have to be more careful and take wider lines, fly slower. We will see what Carl can do for 100fps. It's all hardware fpga controlled
@@RyanQuellet thanks for the feedback. It is exciting times for sure, so many potential opportunities to explore.
Gosh, I’ve been going back-and-forth between getting a current generation DJI goggle to use fluidly with my vista and 03 unit versus getting this unit and converting the micros to WS… After watching this video, it seems that this unit might be better for casual pilot that doesn’t fly fast, in close proximity to objects,… I might be better off with my initial thought of keeping the micros on analog and updating my other DJI goggle
I think the real turning point would be once openhd/something like that is ported to hdzero goggles. Since the linux firmware is pretty much open source.. it should be very doable. then you wouldnt even need an external module like this. Just a wifi adapter inplace of the analog module..
Do make sure the chip inside wifi adapter is one of the supported ones from OpenHD ones. typically RTL8812AU, AR9271 etc.. ones
how is your face cam video quality so good? for the first time im realizing i have a 4k monitor
Did you ever own (or at least try) the infamous Eachine analog goggles from a couple years ago that had terrible latency? If so, how would you compare the Walksnail VRX experience to that? I have the VRX coming, and will put it on my Skyzone 04Xs. But now I'm concerned, as I used to have those Eachine goggles and thought I sucked as a pilot when I had them, when it was actually just the terrible latency. I got 04Xs and immediately... I could fly 10000x better. So now I'm hoping I'm not out $417 (VRX + another kit).
Whats the model of Eachine that you're talking about?
how is it 16 x 9 mode on the skyzone googles vs analog 4 x 3 .. man thats a killer no 4 x 3 on skyzone
If I got this for Christmas I would give it to someone else as a present.
Walksnail for hd looks far better than hd zero but the hdzero goggles are the ones to buy because giving you 2 systems to work with which is what I'm doing, walksnail is the best freestyle hd system for the money and hdzero the best race system so have both
every body walksnail module vrx or hdzerro ? for cinewhoop/cinematic😅
it would be a neat feature to be able to add delay into a flight sim.
Thanks for bringing the latency to everyone’s attention. I feared this would be a major issue with the Walksnail VRX. I think I made the right decision to pass on the system. Still nice to have options though.
I’m looking forward to getting the HDZ googles and intend to keep my whoops on analog via the module port. You mentioned lap timers - I’ve been waiting for the LapRF to restock forever… is there another similar timer you can recommend that’s available?
Might build a rotor hazard timer. These are open source diy timers
@@RyanQuellet Cool, thanks 🙏🏼
Hadn’t heard about that one.
@@modquad18 also check out the quadrank timer, an ESP32, an RX5808 and a few resistors, and the build is done, really simple
@@rbFPV Thanks! Yeah, I’m finding several timers that all use that same layout - super simple and will be easy (and cheap) to build! Thanks for putting me on this path guys.
FYI, Running walksnail at 60hz 720p will have about 12-16ms less latency than 1080p at 60hz. 50mb mode also tends to reduce latency in ideal signal strenght. I assume your running at 1080p since thats what your goggles support. That probably why the lag is so noticable
No, this was 720p60 25mbps. I measured it at 54ms for a whole frame latency (vs 19ms analog). I tested later on at 50mbps and that improves latency by 4ms about. The lag is quite real I'm afraid. Low latency mode helps a lot though
@@RyanQuellet Tthat doesnt seem right as thats the typical latency time for 1080p60 . 720p60 usually gets around 39ms for whole frame. Did you test the frame latency with another display? i wonder if there is extra latency on the HD zero goggles over HDMI. HDMI processing time can be significally higher on some goggles/displays
@@MachuPichuu I just tested Sky04x at 720p60 WS VRX and see full frame latency of 60ms. Not stellar
@@RyanQuellet oh that's interesting. I wonder if the HDMI module on the VRX adds latency and then the goggles might have poor latency on the HDMI input as well. Until now most people didn't really care about HDMI latency on goggles.
Bardwell told you not to go past 3.1 volts in his older video on this . . . . . also this is why I refuse to fly my Dominators in anything others then 720p 120FPS because more frames is the way to go. Also i fly on 50mbps 700mw on channel 3 and if the analog flyer is on channel 6, 7, or 8 its not an issue to fly at the same time. you turn it down to 25mbps and run it on a lower mw your even better with flying with multiple pilots.
I have the VRX and VTX combo deal. I also bought the Walksnail Goggles for the oled screens. The VRX will end up on a 10 inch Monitor for FW flying. Latency won't be an issue for me, even on my 5 inch quads. I couldn't cope with HD zero because of the constant breakup...Been flying analogue for years too...🙄😳😏🇬🇧
How much I need to compensate for 25+ more years ?😊😊😮
The 2 whoops are not identical. You can't just say that the latency is to blame. Weight and other things will make a difference.
Mario Kart is a drinking game, so I'm gonna love this. Lol
Still waiting on mine. Im hoping for the HDZ goggles become an established platform.
Do we know a eta when more Hdzero goggles back in stock?
January 😉
I wish I could afford Walksnail system 😭 analog for life
Guess for my use and my current flying skills It doesnt matter. I own hdzero and love It in my whoops. But when It comes to my 7"cruiser i'm kinda disapointed. Already ordered ws vrx.
And i loved the hdzero goggles + ws vrx combo. You can fly everything with it
Right, for cruising, this is probably a fine combo. Put it on 1080p60 and enjoy. Just doesn't work for technical flying, which is what hdzero is good at. One goggle for all the things
Hi guys I don't know if this could be useful. I found that if you run with elrs an higher packet rate such as 150, 250mhz o even 500 your responsiveness increase a lot to the point that indoor flying with close proximity is possible.. I encourage everyone even Ryan to try this out. My test could be faulty cause I did it with analog box Googles connected via an HDMI adapter to my TV with the video signal upscaled up to 1080, but just to clarify, before changing the packet rates the whoop was unflyable even by putting the game mode in my TV.
I started on analogue and moved to DJI v1, I tried one of the 60fps cameras and hated it. Switched to walksnail recently and tried the 1080p mode which is capped at 60fps and had the same experience.
I am flying 60fps ws some more now to see if I like it more with time
I have the system too and it won't save the unlocked channels even after selecting a channel
Might try in on a fixed wing or long range quad?
Yes, when winter passes I'll try this
For long range. What goes further. HDzero or WS?
according to walksnail documentation: 1080P/60FPS,720P/120FPS
wow walksnail is not really 60, you can see the individual frames, unlike hdzero :O
I have same feeling when flying 60fps mode. Unflyable.
Isn't it a review from/of a direct competitor?
Very good review. You have covered questions that other reviewer will "Forget".
I have every top goggle system except HDZeros goggles which instead I have the Skyzone 04X/HDZ VRX for now. HdZeros whoop lite system was compelling until recently but now that Walksnail has a system within a gram of HDZeros while having on board video logging and 1080p I can't imagine many saying "oh but the 30ms latency". I buy it all to try myself as it's difficult to convey things like DJIs V2 goggles FOV vs Walksnails key holes or analog whoops agility in flight at 23-25g with battery. Honestly if it weren't for the indoor stuff my DJI v2 goggles would be king as the Walksnail and HDZs range is a joke by comparison. Should have the goggle 2s next month to compare. I care little for any brand name and would sell out to something better in a heart beat and I'm always looking for the next big thing.
sorry..ws /dji within a gram ?
HDZERO WHOOP LITE VTX Weight: 4.5g
HDZERO NANO LITE CAMERA Weight: 1.5 g
dipole antenna weight .8 g
Under 7g in Weight
AVATAR HD NANO CAMERA Weight: 3.5g
AVATAR MINI 1S VTX MODULE Weight: 6.8g
for an all up weight of 10.3 g
but wait...there's more !
WALKSNAIL AVATAR VTX ANTENNA Weight: 1.5g
a whopping 11.8 g
makes for a lot more than "within a gram" of HDZero 🥴
The VRX only does 16:9?
Essentially it only does 16:9, yes
@@RyanQuellet Is it with just that particular camera, or the VRX can only do 16:9?
@@rbFPV not sure. I've only tried the nano camera
I’d only trust a delay number by measuring it externally.
I might measure the latency externally. I'm curious
👍🏼...🖖🏼
its motion blurring together at very high speeds analog is predictable , digital is random never the same flying super fast and getting motion blur close to ground , the patches of motion blur are larger and unpredictable with digital
Check Chris Rossers new vid about i think it was acro modde n angle mode ,interesting ,hope it helpsnthank you for sharing!
Guess now we know why it's so "cheap" and why they wanted as many people onboard as possible before actually releasing it. Still, could be worse, didn't Eachine release goggles with 150ms of latency 🤭😂
i need it. but im at Germany ....
VR is not the same as FPV - the head tracking is the problem there, causing the nausia with higher delays.
The truth is that whole latency story is the one big bogus and it looks like Video links war, I remember such a similiar war of RC links for latency and right now nobody is talking about. The truth is that our brains quickly adapts to this latency so generally I agree that is more like personal preference and feeling no more no less. My advice is fly something and don't bother some 30ms latency 🤣
35 milliseconds is within the range of human perception. 4 milliseconds is not. I’m still not ready to shell out the money for either yet. Not everyone likes the idea of having snow in their video signal.
All the girls in the room here started laughing when you rattled off those guys as world's best. Humor is always appreciated, but try not to kill anyone. When you said Bubby some of the expressions almost made eyes pop out haha. We'll be cracking that one for years to come. Maybe just a suggestion, get off the drl / racegow koolaid? Hey Anna, who's the best pilot in the world. It's Bubby, of course, Le Drib's little MiniMeflunkie still in diapers... everyone knows that!
Evan "ANgle Mode" Turner my @55....
Here, hand me your whoop, your rates are absolutely awful. Let me guess. Defaults...
I don't understand any of what you just said, are you drunk? lol
Ryan - I usually respect the videos you put up as informative and mostly non-bias. This one is not one of those. I don't understand why you and others in HDZero camp feel you have to try SO hard to sing the merits of HDZero compared to the other HD options. This WS VRX was meant for cheap entry into HD ($200) if you already had a viable Google. Remember when SharkByte was the cheap option? I resent when you want to call others spreading lies about the effect of latency, it is more a personal thing. I am 64 and I am telling you that compared to analog versus DJI or WS, I will take the image and penetration over analog latency everyday. I don't fly my analog rigs anymore. So just provide the usually useful info you do and leave the other stuff out of you don't want to lose respect from others that are not so HDZero fans
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By your own admission your reaction time and reflexes are too slow, so that means Ryan isn't allowed to talk about how the system feels? Fuck right off. Also who the fuck do you think you are demanding he "just provide the 'usually useful' info"? You sound like a raging narcissist.
@@dooddrones6521 Your the idiot, and typical response of HDZero fanboy. No where in my comment do I say anything about my reaction time or reflexes, so how about you f@#$ off. Obviously you must be impaired if you can't handle flying a system with better image and penetration with variable latency.
@@steve_beatty Merry Christmas Steve lol
I totally agree with you on this. I just flew back to back between dji vista and the WS today and tried to nitpick latency like Ryan did and I could barely notice anything. I think his difference between the whoops he was flying was the real issue here. Probably a 5 gram weight penalty on the WS whoop and that's a huge deal for whoops. Very biased review here defending HDzero again....
The only reason I went with walksnail was price, I paid 629 for the goggle and moblite 7. If I wanted go hdzero, I would have to pay way more...
Damn that low light is trashhh lol
Yes, it's not something to be proud of. Looks like it needs better power filtering or something
@@RyanQuellet yes, i noticed this as well. It looks like the issue we were seeing on the alpha version of the goggles and 90fps cam. But amplified even worse. How did they not catch this in testing?
Ahh. The hdzero cults just protecting their own turf
shame the dji folks created a division in the first place..
The more money DJI makes the closer we are to losing our freedom to fly recreational.