think this is the Thawne from Legends being revived again for protecting the fixed point. this is probably his next mission; to fight against himself and the negative Speed and Still Forces.
@@gelachincharauli8481 it’s a paradox here, as the flash creates the reverse flash by the flash going to the future and spoiling his reveal to the world. But the reverse flash creates the flash
So, we may potentially be looking at two Eobards here. The Matt one (potentially good) & the Tom one (bad). So, this one could potentially help team flash against the evil one.
If the writers want to make this good. They could have this season end off with Matt's Reverse flash helping and building trust with Team Flash. Then somehow the Negative Force turns him to the evil Reverse Flash we know. Which eventually causes an emotional twist and trust-breaking moment with Team Flash for the next season. Ending the series off by having it come full-circle to Barry and Thawne going back in time to have their fated fight where he kills Barry's Mother
Im so glad Matt is back but after seeing his Eobard being a good person was something nice to see. and that he is Meena's lightning rod was truly something.
Character: cries Cecile: 😩 you are in a lot of grief right now and it...feels like I'm...drowning in it because we couldn't tell the character was sad from them crying
@@thefoeofdrip1184 yeah but its damn awkward for a show to tell you how a character is feeling. It's lazy writing. The show could've shown how a character feels by showing the character crying or being cooped up in a room in blue lighting or whatever-they did that correctly for Caitlin. On the other hand the writers decide to reduce Cecile to a feeling meter, so they can tell us how characters feel in words. They've reduced Cecile to a narrator, telling us how each character feels. It's Ironic, that they're given wider boundaries with film to be able to show exactly how characters feel, and yet they choose to limit themselves to the boundaries of a book, using only words to tell us how a character feels.
If this is the legend’s of tomorrow Eobard Thawne, that means he’s a Time Remnant because Ray Palmer confirmed it in season 2. Idk the show stopped using the term “time remnants”, which is something that I’ve noticed.
@@djpegao I thought they stopped using the term “time remnants” after season 3. Because when they mentioned Savitar , they would describe him as another version of Barry (which is true) but they don’t call him a time remnant anymore
@@joshabraham6715 yes this Thawne is the Time Remnant but not anymore. I think his out of the timeline, he hasn’t one, after the Black Flash killed him.
Every speedster with erased timeline are time remnants. Legends Eobard become time remnant after Barry saved his mom and created flashpoint. And speedsters who travels through time for a second also becomes time remnants, because they no longer original speedster.
It would be really interesting if that happened, and the last season is all about Thawne's redemption. It would be a good way to end the series where it began.
@@TheLastGuardian30 Well currently, rumor is that Season 9 is the going to be the last season. Though we don't know for sure since even the director of the series doesn't seem to know for sure.
''History should not change'' yeah I feel like thats why he was brought back to Meena, she figured out the Speed Force machine and Thawne gonna get his powers back as a result and history will repeat itself
When thawne eventually does use it meena is gonna die and he losses his lightning rod turning him into the original universe reverse flash who's blinded by the negative speed force to kill barry just like she tried to, which technically would make it so history doesnt change. That's my theory
@@mytharrow2197 I wouldnt mind having a good Thawne and the Evil thawne at the same time. WOUld make for a good twist/dynamic. But if Meena dies and Good THawne gets hit by that negative lightning he may get all his memories back and turn back evil, which would be tragic and sad, and that plays well in the CW shows. We''ll see! Also Still Force is taking Evil Thawne out of Lian Yu, so Evil Thawne could go straight for Good Thawne and awaken him, now that he knows there is another THawne walking around being all good
@@psytron939what if his destiny is to become this Thawne. Deon took him wiped his memories an placed him there to meet Meena. Deon is called the still force but also could be called the time force he can manipulate time so maybe he had some say in what happened to Thawne. The time wraiths are shown to be connected to the speed force and Deon was born from the speed force so could have connections with the wraiths. maybe he asked them or told them to do what they did to Thawne an we saw him just get grabbed by Deon maybe so he can be thrown into the events that led him to this episode or it is totally something else entirely I'm looking forward to see how this is going to play out
It's pretty hard to create. Because RF created Flashpoint when he killed Nora Allen. And doing so..original Flash who created in 2020 never exist. Plus..this show never show original Flash yet.
@@danirastawijaya3411 also if Barry's tries to save his mother including in the comics and show the future will be changed like even if he saves her the time dislocations that he makes there changes the future and present meaning we can't have the main timelines never again both flashpoints in comics and show that he tried are different timelines from the original Barry timeline if her mother survived
It could be but I doubt it, this thawne already knows who the flash is though he forgot. The original thawne who turned himself into Harrison wells already says that the reason he got his speed was because he wanted to be just like the flash in the future. Matt’s thawne becoming the reverse flash would mean he has to be in the future first also this thawne is a time remnant and the timeline should already know the remnant’s fate, why save it if he was going to be the reverse flash all over again, he was saved twice.
Plus Whole Thawne History Got Erased Due To Armageddon And Eddie's Death So In Future there Is No Eobard Thawne To Create Speed Force machine And Making him RF all over again
Theory: Tom RF tries to kill Meena, Matt Thawne tries to save her, but Barry saves her (or fails to save her) instead first, causing Matt Thawne to become RF and Tom RF to get his powers back.
No it won’t end like that. It’ll end with Harrison wells reverse flash escaping, attempting to kill meena and then Barry talking down the harrison wells reverse flash. Because this show is terrible and all they ever do now is talk down the villain.
@@49HEALTH Sadly, that wouldn't surprise me these days. Lol That being said, if you remember, when Tom RV explains why he hates Barry, he says that it's because Barry saved the crowd that _he_ was meant to save. His whole reason for hating Barry is because Barry stole his thunder. He's _that_ petty. So, even though a _normal person's_ reaction is to be grateful, Thawne *isn't* a normal person. As a result, I wouldn't put it past him to become jealous of Barry, if Barry were to save Meena. Keep in mind that it is also canon that Eobard Thawne initially idolized Flash and part of what drove him to creating the negative speed force and ultimately becoming the RF was disovering that he could never be the Flash and was instead destined to become the Flash's nemesis. Perhaps, the crowd that Tom RF referred when he talked about the crowed that _he_ was "meant to save" (but was saved by Barry) is part of an attempt to woo Meena; and that is part of what makes Thawne so angry. Another thing that just occurred to me is that upon deciding to devote a his life to becoming his opposite, to destroying the Flash, and taking on the mantle of the _Reverse Flash,_ Thawne doesn't refer to the artificially-developed source of his speed as the _Reverse_ Speed Force, after himself, as one would expect from someone as arrogant as Thawne is. He calls it the _Negative_ Speed Force. What if he calls it the NSF because that's the name he first heard used for it...from Barry. It would actually fit the paradoxical nature of the character perfectly. We are watching the origin of the Reverse Flash and how Barry unwittingly _creates_ him, just as Thawne _intentionally_ created the Flash in season 1 with the particle accelerator. Thus, we come full circle.
Ok so theory: When Barry took thawnes speed back in Armageddon it went to the air so maybe it affected the weather and now it’s trying to find a new host
Makes sense as she did call flash avatar of the speedforce and saying that the real her was gone into the machine lighting that may be negative speedforce itself talking showing somewhat of thawne personality phasing hand and red eyes and with the negative speedforce gone to sky like the other forces were born and Armageddon it might be taking over other forces like Deon acting like thawne when betraying Barry and helping thanwe and he says we not me or I as also reflecting on Thawne personality and how long thanwse had the nagative speedforce and as he created powered by his anger and hatred becoming apart of the force ifself it may try and replace Nora speedforce and make the othe forces her. Family going back to older season style Barry and Nora alone against them Barry might lose speed might not as all forces working together lead to his current speed lvl and having maybe this thanwse get speed too even temperory and helping fight his reverse counterpart maybe changing him or merging and becoming one good guy with more power and skill or something leaving to him becoming flash museum curator and so forth
@@HaloPrime212 exactly what thawne would want and he created the nagative one and how long hes been using it may have become more sentient and wants to serve his wish may want to get back to him might be why Deon is breaking him out and what's controling Deon
@@saminahsan477 They kind of are, they do live in symbiosis to their avatars, and have a sentient will of their own, as shown with the speed force itself. So in a way, they are. But not like the Venom symbiote which is actually more like a parasite, it's that brock lets it feed on other things so it doesn't feed on him like those symbiotes normally would for sustenance.
I wonder if Matt Letscher as good Thawne is here to stay or he’ll die by end of the season. Imagine if he joins the main cast next season and becomes a part of Team Flash.
In some ways this was Barry’s way of finally accepting reverse flash and forgiving him for everything he’s ever done . Almost beautiful to see them become friends for once
Why does Allegra assume that thawne died a hero he would came back as a “hero” because the “Harrison” thawne that’s locked in Argus said that each version of him looks out for himself, this could all still be a trap
I am hoping that Allegra and Chester start dating next season. Hoping they get involved romantically though. I am still waiting for them to confess their feelings for each other. I thought they were going to kiss just by see there emotions. Are they officially together?
Well thawne may not even truly know himself since he's insane, if he used to be good before he could have versions of himself that are good. But since he's insane he has distanced himself from his sane version and doesn't view it as the real him
@@aliyuals6709 not a relatable comment dude this show is all about Flash and Thawne+speedsters rivalry. meanwhile Allegra and Chester love story doesn't add much to the main story but Cisco and Caitlyn's story added so much value but writers fuckin removed cool nicknamer from the show.
@@chirag47 I am hoping that Allegra and Chester start dating next season. Hoping they get involved romantically though. I am still waiting for them to confess their feelings for each other. Is Allegra and Chester going to be officially together next season Hoping they kiss
I think I know how they tapped into the negative speed force. When Barry severed Thawne’s connection to the negative speed force during Armageddon, and all that energy was shot up into the sky their machine connected to it
Well yeah, but maybe she hadn’t connected to the negative speed force yet. Their machine draws natural lighting from the upper atmosphere and that’s how she got her speed all this time. One day the negative speed force merged with the electricity in the atmosphere and their machine picked up on it
Ironically enough, all he actually wanted was someone to Protect! And the whole reason for his hatred towards The Flash. And now he has one. But i believe he'll die in the end for A-Hole Thawne to get his powers back.
It’s good they’re using reverse FLASHbacks from Legends to actually explain Thawne’s current existence instead of just tossing it in and forcing us to find the LOT episode for a vague explanation.
But the Thawne storyline was really good in the last season. I don't think it would matter whatever the Legends were doing because CW have made up their mind.
Truthfully I feel like this is Reverse Flash's origin story. I think that somehow Meena is going to die and Thawne is going to blame Barry for it then he's going to be obsessed with hating him and he's going to somehow get his powers.
So if I'm understanding correctly, since flashpoint there has been another Eobart Thawn, a time remnant to be clear. Funny how if you think about it, Barry created another version of his enemy that almost killed his friends.
no, this is not a younger Thawne. are you guys actually paying attention? this Thawne was good WITH HIS MEMORIES. so if he gets his memories back he will not turn evil. what about that are yall not getting? just pay attention
Thawne needs her to become more negative and once the hatred of the negative speed force reaches it's fever pitch he will absorb it all from her and **BECOME THE REVERSE FLASH AGAIN**
There is a lot of handwaving in this show. "How did this guy come back to life??" "Maybe it's crazy, but I think the Universe really liked him." "I guess you're right!" Man, some scientists.
In an universe where a speedster dressed in yellow is erased and returns, invasions from another planet and worlds happened, the living embodiement of the Speed Force lived with Barry and, finally, Ray's team colleague, Oliver, died and then returned to reset the Multiverse, thinking that a person revived because the universe liked him is not farfetched.
@@Oliveiraverde Sure, it tracks. I'm just saying, I would expect for scientists to be a little more curious and analytical than to greet it with a shrug.
@@assassinsknight Hm maybe yea but if this good Thawne does turn evil it;d be a cool way to have Matt back as Reverse Flash and we see this versions downfall into hating barry then he is in the rest of the show
It’s cool seeing Matt Letscher back on this show and it is refreshing to see Eobard as a good guy, but the explanation as to why he’s back is still a little convoluted and confusing to me.
i mean were talking about a series where you gotta watch like 5 shows at once to get the full story they even showed clips from season 7 of legends to show thats the case dont get me wrong i like ever growing universes for stories like this as much as the next guy but if i have to watch 7 shows at once for 1 story your doing it wrong heck at least with marvel the majority of the story is in the movies and the disney plus shows just started this but there not as long as cw dc
That’s probably because it’s more of a theory than an explanation. They don’t 100% _know_ how/why this is happening, and are guessing based on out of context information (always the trouble with Speed Force & Speed Force accessories).
am i the only one that thinks that the person in the shadows looks like killer frost if so than that means caitlin got her mother to help revive killer frost or maybe she didn’t die and her soul got sent the the dimension of death storm and she somehow got out of it finding a new host body
@@nescomadethis6058 now all she needs is a formidable advisory who rivals her abilities to fight against i know there’s top but she is in custody. I 💭 who that woman in white was that was observing her
"Retirement drinks with nate" so from where legends left off after getting tricked by booster gold they escape the time zone or would this be before it happened? Confusing anybody know?
Matt Letscher is my favorite character in The Flash for sure. No shame to Tom, but Matt has that thing I can't point out but that I love. (Oh and that girl with Cecile is 99% Top, I know she looks a lot like Frost, but Top just makes more sens with Cecile)
They need do an episode...Thawne vs Thawne. The one (actor) that was Barry's mentor...vs the one that has different actor. Reverse Flash vs Anti-Flash ... kind of.
Wasnt the thawne in legend's erased though? He was being chased by the death black flash as thawne died and was erased at the end of s1 of the flash? Barry kep meeting past versions of him up to the version of the one in the year 2000 whenthawn kills barrys mother. That was thawne before he was erased. Yet passed versions of him still exist? Also how is thawne back in legends and a good guy now? If thats the thawne after flashpoint. I'm confused.
See there Barry goes again potentially creating another villain. I mean heck they were both even saying that they shouldn't even mess with it because the risk was too great then Barry's sumbass has to be all positive and motivate them to try it anyway....when will he ever learn to stop meddling?
One, Matt is the definitive Eobard wiyh emotions. And second, I now want to see an fight with good versus bad Eobard without the friendship is the key to victory bs
This new thawne is their protector of the timeline so thawne is the left hand and black flash is the right hand of these time wraiths. Thawne job is to stop speedster from becoming the reverse flash.
Unless they are tricking us into thinking its flashpoint thawne then it wont be, the only version of thawne that exists is paradoxs version, original thawne doesnt know meena seemingly because she was supposed to die
grants flash inspires me to keep trying to walk with mettle legs and hips after being completly ran over by a car last july.. im always in pain but the flash tv show helps me keep fighting to live an to walk again.. it would kill me if something happend to the flash tv show
So, from what I understand about this, that evil Eobard Thawne from the future... went back and forth in time... became good in the past, died, and reborn as a good man.
"Hey, we need a way to bring back the same character over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, but we're running out of ideas for how to do that. Ah, just throw in some yada yada timey wimey mumbo jumbo, we've written ourselves into 50 different corners for like 6 years now"
ok i see: ray good to see you back for a moment and explain thawne return interesting watch him as good guy but strange cecile you scaring me now and who is that girl? frost?
no, this is not an origin story for Eobard becoming Reverse Flash. there will basically be a good and evil Thawne, who are played by Matt and Tom Cavanagh.
@@sakaririchard8810 I never said it was an origin story, I said this could be the reason why he hates flash so much as something obviously happens to Meena, BIG difference.
This season need to address the issue with eobard thawne and Barry Allen once and for all, it's getting really boring to find out he will be the big bad of the season again
I have a feeling this is leading into a Season 9 Eobard Thawne "Origin story". Origin being in quotes because it's kinda fucky with Flashpoint and Crisis both.
guys...PAY ATTENTION. watch 1:50 on. Ray Palmer literally explains that this is the Flashpoint Thawne. the Flashpoint Thawne was turned good by the timewraiths after he got erased by the Black Flash, which is the "Legends Thawne", and he still had his memories. so even if this Thawne got his memories back, he would not be evil. basically what I'm saying is, this is not an "origin story" for Thawne.
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I want to believe that this is the version of Thawne if he's not obsessed of being the Flash or hating the Flash, where he found someone to protect.
think this is the Thawne from Legends being revived again for protecting the fixed point. this is probably his next mission; to fight against himself and the negative Speed and Still Forces.
Imagine this is origin story but with rewritten timeline he name reverse flash early in timeline in this timeline
The flash creates the reverse flash
@@decendingz7885 no bro reverse flash creates flash
@@gelachincharauli8481 it’s a paradox here, as the flash creates the reverse flash by the flash going to the future and spoiling his reveal to the world. But the reverse flash creates the flash
Odds of Meena getting killed that triggers Eobard's rage is quite high IMO. 😬
I doubt Meena will be killed, she is replacinf caitlin on the team.
What if she does die and he ends up getting his memories back 😲
I was literally thinking of this today
Evil thawn kills Meena causing good thawn finding out it was himself and he was destine to be reverse flash
So, we may potentially be looking at two Eobards here. The Matt one (potentially good) & the Tom one (bad). So, this one could potentially help team flash against the evil one.
there's definitely two Thawne's. Tom-Thawne is the same Thawne we've been seeing since season 4. Matt-Thawne is from the flashpoint timeline
This is starting to remind me of apex legends lol
@@Cosmicmorales Awesome game, but how exactly does it relate to the Flash according to you?
If the writers want to make this good. They could have this season end off with Matt's Reverse flash helping and building trust with Team Flash. Then somehow the Negative Force turns him to the evil Reverse Flash we know. Which eventually causes an emotional twist and trust-breaking moment with Team Flash for the next season. Ending the series off by having it come full-circle to Barry and Thawne going back in time to have their fated fight where he kills Barry's Mother
@@TheMortalLand That's pretty ingenious actually. Good thought!!!
Im so glad Matt is back but after seeing his Eobard being a good person was something nice to see. and that he is Meena's lightning rod was truly something.
Yeah Matt is also a cool thawne
Please stop that lighting rod line it's straight up cringe
I have a feeling that Cavanaugh Thawne will kill Meena and cause Letscher Thawne to become the Thawne we all know
Thawne got hit with that Season 7 Power of Love 😂
Yeah but that’s only because he lost his memory
I like to see Cecile finally get to use her powers to help people instead of using them to tell us how people are feeling
Character: cries
Cecile: 😩 you are in a lot of grief right now and it...feels like I'm...drowning in it
because we couldn't tell the character was sad from them crying
She been helping people with her powers
@@thefoeofdrip1184 all she has been doing was tell the viewers (Us) what each character has been feeling when it’s really obvious
@@thefoeofdrip1184 yeah but its damn awkward for a show to tell you how a character is feeling. It's lazy writing. The show could've shown how a character feels by showing the character crying or being cooped up in a room in blue lighting or whatever-they did that correctly for Caitlin. On the other hand the writers decide to reduce Cecile to a feeling meter, so they can tell us how characters feel in words. They've reduced Cecile to a narrator, telling us how each character feels. It's Ironic, that they're given wider boundaries with film to be able to show exactly how characters feel, and yet they choose to limit themselves to the boundaries of a book, using only words to tell us how a character feels.
@@Popoff.indigo Did you forget she's a meta-attorney?
If this is the legend’s of tomorrow Eobard Thawne, that means he’s a Time Remnant because Ray Palmer confirmed it in season 2. Idk the show stopped using the term “time remnants”, which is something that I’ve noticed.
They stopped when they dropped the time travel adventures to alternate earths
@@djpegao I thought they stopped using the term “time remnants” after season 3. Because when they mentioned Savitar , they would describe him as another version of Barry (which is true) but they don’t call him a time remnant anymore
@@joshabraham6715 yes this Thawne is the Time Remnant but not anymore. I think his out of the timeline, he hasn’t one, after the Black Flash killed him.
@@ArrowverseSeries zoom
Every speedster with erased timeline are time remnants. Legends Eobard become time remnant after Barry saved his mom and created flashpoint. And speedsters who travels through time for a second also becomes time remnants, because they no longer original speedster.
this is actually really cool. a good and evil Thawne that potentially could come to hate each other that are played by Matt and Tom Cavanagh
It would be really interesting if that happened, and the last season is all about Thawne's redemption. It would be a good way to end the series where it began.
@@Hei_Darkfire Might happen someday, this ain’t the last season tho
@@TheLastGuardian30 Well currently, rumor is that Season 9 is the going to be the last season. Though we don't know for sure since even the director of the series doesn't seem to know for sure.
he is not good. he is grow to hate the flash in season 9 since that's the last season to come and they will go full circle
@@Hei_Darkfire no wtf. it needs to go full circle. him hating the flash. killing his mom in the past
''History should not change'' yeah I feel like thats why he was brought back to Meena, she figured out the Speed Force machine and Thawne gonna get his powers back as a result and history will repeat itself
Nah I’d like to think there giving us a thawne who isn’t blinded by his hate anymore. I think they gave him a 2nd chance to live life
When thawne eventually does use it meena is gonna die and he losses his lightning rod turning him into the original universe reverse flash who's blinded by the negative speed force to kill barry just like she tried to, which technically would make it so history doesnt change. That's my theory
nah man he is not remember his another life and he is good like that ı hope so they wont change it because thawne finally good and they wont change it
@@mytharrow2197 I wouldnt mind having a good Thawne and the Evil thawne at the same time. WOUld make for a good twist/dynamic. But if Meena dies and Good THawne gets hit by that negative lightning he may get all his memories back and turn back evil, which would be tragic and sad, and that plays well in the CW shows. We''ll see! Also Still Force is taking Evil Thawne out of Lian Yu, so Evil Thawne could go straight for Good Thawne and awaken him, now that he knows there is another THawne walking around being all good
@@psytron939what if his destiny is to become this Thawne. Deon took him wiped his memories an placed him there to meet Meena. Deon is called the still force but also could be called the time force he can manipulate time so maybe he had some say in what happened to Thawne. The time wraiths are shown to be connected to the speed force and Deon was born from the speed force so could have connections with the wraiths. maybe he asked them or told them to do what they did to Thawne an we saw him just get grabbed by Deon maybe so he can be thrown into the events that led him to this episode or it is totally something else entirely I'm looking forward to see how this is going to play out
Nice cameo. Looks like Ray's in the middle of his "Sword of the Atom" years offscreen.
Sword of the atom?
At least someone finally was able to tell us more how thawne made sense between the flash and legends
IKR
@UncleMikeNJ the show was terrible after season 4.
I wish there was a way that they could show the original flash timeline like before the reverse flash killed Barry’s mother
It's pretty hard to create. Because RF created Flashpoint when he killed Nora Allen. And doing so..original Flash who created in 2020 never exist. Plus..this show never show original Flash yet.
We need savitar again
I swear
@@danirastawijaya3411 also if Barry's tries to save his mother including in the comics and show the future will be changed like even if he saves her the time dislocations that he makes there changes the future and present meaning we can't have the main timelines never again both flashpoints in comics and show that he tried are different timelines from the original Barry timeline if her mother survived
Like arrow flashbacks
I think this is how his story begins.. he will turn into RF as this goes on
Yes!
It could be but I doubt it, this thawne already knows who the flash is though he forgot. The original thawne who turned himself into Harrison wells already says that the reason he got his speed was because he wanted to be just like the flash in the future. Matt’s thawne becoming the reverse flash would mean he has to be in the future first also this thawne is a time remnant and the timeline should already know the remnant’s fate, why save it if he was going to be the reverse flash all over again, he was saved twice.
how? they literally said this is the Thawne from legends, barry also said that when armageddon happened it erased thawne´s past so NO origin story
NAH...As The Tom's Thawne Said, When He Was Younger He Created, Invented Every Way Possible to Achieve Speed And He Did
Plus Whole Thawne History Got Erased Due To Armageddon And Eddie's Death So In Future there Is No Eobard Thawne To Create Speed Force machine And Making him RF all over again
Theory:
Tom RF tries to kill Meena, Matt Thawne tries to save her, but Barry saves her (or fails to save her) instead first, causing Matt Thawne to become RF and Tom RF to get his powers back.
exactly what i was thinking when that black time guy appear
No it won’t end like that. It’ll end with Harrison wells reverse flash escaping, attempting to kill meena and then Barry talking down the harrison wells reverse flash. Because this show is terrible and all they ever do now is talk down the villain.
@@49HEALTH
Sadly, that wouldn't surprise me these days. Lol
That being said, if you remember, when Tom RV explains why he hates Barry, he says that it's because Barry saved the crowd that _he_ was meant to save. His whole reason for hating Barry is because Barry stole his thunder. He's _that_ petty. So, even though a _normal person's_ reaction is to be grateful, Thawne *isn't* a normal person. As a result, I wouldn't put it past him to become jealous of Barry, if Barry were to save Meena.
Keep in mind that it is also canon that Eobard Thawne initially idolized Flash and part of what drove him to creating the negative speed force and ultimately becoming the RF was disovering that he could never be the Flash and was instead destined to become the Flash's nemesis. Perhaps, the crowd that Tom RF referred when he talked about the crowed that _he_ was "meant to save" (but was saved by Barry) is part of an attempt to woo Meena; and that is part of what makes Thawne so angry.
Another thing that just occurred to me is that upon deciding to devote a his life to becoming his opposite, to destroying the Flash, and taking on the mantle of the _Reverse Flash,_ Thawne doesn't refer to the artificially-developed source of his speed as the _Reverse_ Speed Force, after himself, as one would expect from someone as arrogant as Thawne is. He calls it the _Negative_ Speed Force. What if he calls it the NSF because that's the name he first heard used for it...from Barry.
It would actually fit the paradoxical nature of the character perfectly. We are watching the origin of the Reverse Flash and how Barry unwittingly _creates_ him, just as Thawne _intentionally_ created the Flash in season 1 with the particle accelerator. Thus, we come full circle.
@@truerealrationalist the cw is not capable of that kinda nuance tho
@@SkunkLifeMedia
Oh, yeah. They'll totally screw it up.
Ray Palmer wtf. I didn’t see that and Dig cameo coming at all
When you remember that ray is a knight and after retirement he probably got his sword from the arturian era or just got himself a similar sword
Ok so theory: When Barry took thawnes speed back in Armageddon it went to the air so maybe it affected the weather and now it’s trying to find a new host
Makes sense as she did call flash avatar of the speedforce and saying that the real her was gone into the machine lighting that may be negative speedforce itself talking showing somewhat of thawne personality phasing hand and red eyes and with the negative speedforce gone to sky like the other forces were born and Armageddon it might be taking over other forces like Deon acting like thawne when betraying Barry and helping thanwe and he says we not me or I as also reflecting on Thawne personality and how long thanwse had the nagative speedforce and as he created powered by his anger and hatred becoming apart of the force ifself it may try and replace Nora speedforce and make the othe forces her. Family going back to older season style Barry and Nora alone against them Barry might lose speed might not as all forces working together lead to his current speed lvl and having maybe this thanwse get speed too even temperory and helping fight his reverse counterpart maybe changing him or merging and becoming one good guy with more power and skill or something leaving to him becoming flash museum curator and so forth
@@fireredninja9320 she also said her goal was to destroy the flash
@@HaloPrime212 exactly what thawne would want and he created the nagative one and how long hes been using it may have become more sentient and wants to serve his wish may want to get back to him might be why Deon is breaking him out and what's controling Deon
yo the speed force (or the negative speed force) is not a symbiote
@@saminahsan477 They kind of are, they do live in symbiosis to their avatars, and have a sentient will of their own, as shown with the speed force itself. So in a way, they are.
But not like the Venom symbiote which is actually more like a parasite, it's that brock lets it feed on other things so it doesn't feed on him like those symbiotes normally would for sustenance.
I wonder if Matt Letscher as good Thawne is here to stay or he’ll die by end of the season. Imagine if he joins the main cast next season and becomes a part of Team Flash.
More than likely he gone die, they always kill off the wrong people, just like they killed the old guy who was apart of firestorm
Its going to be cancelled by next season like the rest of the cw Verse
I mean Thawne still has to go back in time to kill Barry's mom and that was during a crisis in 2024. It's currently 2022 right now so...
So Reverse Flash would be a part of Team Flash. It’ll end where it began.
@@Jay-cy3wt makes since 💯, I guess they’ll show the reason why he hates the flash
In some ways this was Barry’s way of finally accepting reverse flash and forgiving him for everything he’s ever done . Almost beautiful to see them become friends for once
Lmao no definitely not, he accepted him as someone else. There is no forgiving what he’s done that’s just self righteous talk
Why does Allegra assume that thawne died a hero he would came back as a “hero” because the “Harrison” thawne that’s locked in Argus said that each version of him looks out for himself, this could all still be a trap
I am hoping that Allegra and Chester start dating next season.
Hoping they get involved romantically though. I am still waiting for them to confess their feelings for each other.
I thought they were going to kiss just by see there emotions. Are they officially together?
Well thawne may not even truly know himself since he's insane, if he used to be good before he could have versions of himself that are good. But since he's insane he has distanced himself from his sane version and doesn't view it as the real him
@@aliyuals6709 not a relatable comment dude this show is all about Flash and Thawne+speedsters rivalry. meanwhile Allegra and Chester love story doesn't add much to the main story but Cisco and Caitlyn's story added so much value but writers fuckin removed cool nicknamer from the show.
@@chirag47 I am hoping that Allegra and Chester start dating next season. Hoping they get involved romantically though. I am still waiting for them to confess their feelings for each other. Is Allegra and Chester going to be officially together next season
Hoping they kiss
@@aliyuals6709 just friends with benefits 👌👀
Eobard becoming Meena's lightning rod, sort of makes me think of lyrics from a Beatles song. Love is all you need.
I like that in crossover of season 3 flash they ignored the fact that they met Eobard Thawne, but Barry still knows about events of season 2 LoT
I think I know how they tapped into the negative speed force. When Barry severed Thawne’s connection to the negative speed force during Armageddon, and all that energy was shot up into the sky their machine connected to it
But she’s had powers for a year
Well yeah, but maybe she hadn’t connected to the negative speed force yet. Their machine draws natural lighting from the upper atmosphere and that’s how she got her speed all this time. One day the negative speed force merged with the electricity in the atmosphere and their machine picked up on it
So pretty much the Negative Speed Force was just looking for someone to connect to
I really want to see thawne vs thawne
Like good thawne gets his speed back to help Barry stop the evil thawne in some way that would be so epic
Ironically enough, all he actually wanted was someone to Protect! And the whole reason for his hatred towards The Flash. And now he has one. But i believe he'll die in the end for A-Hole Thawne to get his powers back.
It’s good they’re using reverse FLASHbacks from Legends to actually explain Thawne’s current existence instead of just tossing it in and forcing us to find the LOT episode for a vague explanation.
it's damn shame legends deserve a another season
Nope. Lot was toogoodtobe part of this horrible shared verse. It would get crossover what was the worst thing happening to the show
nah it was a mess to watch
@@Wolverine.925 still infinitely better than The toilet Flush, Supergay and Louise, starvag*na
But the Thawne storyline was really good in the last season. I don't think it would matter whatever the Legends were doing because CW have made up their mind.
@@vecnahenrycreel1300 Supergirl became too woke.
I want this Thawne to be happy
Truthfully I feel like this is Reverse Flash's origin story. I think that somehow Meena is going to die and Thawne is going to blame Barry for it then he's going to be obsessed with hating him and he's going to somehow get his powers.
So if I'm understanding correctly, since flashpoint there has been another Eobart Thawn, a time remnant to be clear. Funny how if you think about it, Barry created another version of his enemy that almost killed his friends.
"Seriously; don't laugh!" Don't worry, Chester; we're in no danger.
It would be nice to see Allegra and Chester get involved romantically though
@@aliyuals6709 Another mixed race relationship, cw sure loves them.
Prediction I think that meena we’ll die and thawn we’ll be full of anger and rage and he we’ll get his speed back
I was crazy happy to see Ray Palmer reappear.
there's a high chance that this is the last time we're seeing ray
When matt thawn sees reverse flash he is gonna tell him u are destined to become a villain not a hero, then matt is gonna be a villain
no, this is not a younger Thawne. are you guys actually paying attention? this Thawne was good WITH HIS MEMORIES. so if he gets his memories back he will not turn evil. what about that are yall not getting? just pay attention
@@sakaririchard8810 No He does not remember his past self/the on that was erased were u not listening ?
Thawne needs her to become more negative and once the hatred of the negative speed force reaches it's fever pitch he will absorb it all from her and **BECOME THE REVERSE FLASH AGAIN**
So is Cecile like the new vertigo
Is it me or she looks fine in that leather
@@alexplays_roblox1k373 She does tho
Speaking of which was that Vertigo watching her?
@@vinceunknown1935 I thought it was Esper
@@vinceunknown1935 I think so but wasn't she brain dead after despero fried her brain
There is a lot of handwaving in this show.
"How did this guy come back to life??"
"Maybe it's crazy, but I think the Universe really liked him."
"I guess you're right!"
Man, some scientists.
In an universe where a speedster dressed in yellow is erased and returns, invasions from another planet and worlds happened, the living embodiement of the Speed Force lived with Barry and, finally, Ray's team colleague, Oliver, died and then returned to reset the Multiverse, thinking that a person revived because the universe liked him is not farfetched.
@@Oliveiraverde Sure, it tracks. I'm just saying, I would expect for scientists to be a little more curious and analytical than to greet it with a shrug.
Did anyone else think the doctor when Ray showed up
It’s super evident that Meena is gonna get Fridged.
This is crazy I wonder if we’ll see this Thawne turn evil I feel we’ll have to
Probably not, his origin does not match his counterpart at all. Odds are powerless Thawne will kill him.
@@assassinsknight Hm maybe yea but if this good Thawne does turn evil it;d be a cool way to have Matt back as Reverse Flash and we see this versions downfall into hating barry then he is in the rest of the show
this is not his origin story, the episode made that very clear
Too bad the Legends' story ended with them going to prison. Thanks a lot CW for giving them an ending they didn't deserve.😡😡😡
They should have had a better ending or come back. To leave it the way they have is poor storytelling.
@@ianhirst1148 I agree.
I think they will continue that storyline just like they continued Diggle's.
@@Oliveiraverde impossible
@@wc4606 It is only a matter of time.
I don’t understand how the flash show will end when the original timeline that was set from season 1 is now messed ip
The original timeline doesn’t exist anymore
Yeah
It’s cool seeing Matt Letscher back on this show and it is refreshing to see Eobard as a good guy, but the explanation as to why he’s back is still a little convoluted and confusing to me.
i mean were talking about a series where you gotta watch like 5 shows at once to get the full story they even showed clips from season 7 of legends to show thats the case dont get me wrong i like ever growing universes for stories like this as much as the next guy but if i have to watch 7 shows at once for 1 story your doing it wrong heck at least with marvel the majority of the story is in the movies and the disney plus shows just started this but there not as long as cw dc
That’s probably because it’s more of a theory than an explanation. They don’t 100% _know_ how/why this is happening, and are guessing based on out of context information (always the trouble with Speed Force & Speed Force accessories).
Can they explain what happened to the other Legends
They got canceled
Oh and they’re in a time prison
am i the only one that thinks that the person in the shadows looks like killer frost if so than that means caitlin got her mother to help revive killer frost or maybe she didn’t die and her soul got sent the the dimension of death storm and she somehow got out of it finding a new host body
i think that She Is Top
I KNEW IT! Cait turn herself into frost but as a evil version for sure.
Cecile a bad bitch! I actually like her character and I've been wanting her to go all in on using her powers. Plus she fine! Hahahaha!
Frfr
@@nescomadethis6058 now all she needs is a formidable advisory who rivals her abilities to fight against i know there’s top but she is in custody. I 💭 who that woman in white was that was observing her
"Retirement drinks with nate" so from where legends left off after getting tricked by booster gold they escape the time zone or would this be before it happened? Confusing anybody know?
Nate left
Nate left before the Legends got trapped
Ahhh ok 👍 thanks for the reminder
Guys I think the girl that was at the end of the video is frost but how did Cecile not see her and how frost became alive again
looks exactly like Top though
@@aiasx probably top
that girl don't like look frost or top
3:41 I thought top was dead
Loving that Thawne Is a good guy so far. No Barry they’re not like you and Iris. Iris has been your Lightnin’ Rod before you were flash, not the same.
I honestly thought they forgot about legends 😂
How did Nate have drinks with Ray?
Isn't Nate in the totem?
He can still some out from time to time but he would need zari and her brother
@@JustAStronzoOnYT exactly. So...how did he have drinks with Ray? Was this before the absolutely unnecessary finale of Legends S7?
@@calsh14 it’s after. nick and zari come out the totem every once in a while and nick would probably go see ray
Are you in the UK because in America it’s Wednesday and it hasn’t came out yet
It did come out
@@Popoff.indigo what?
@@lazerwitdextah same I don’t see anything
Matt Letscher is my favorite character in The Flash for sure. No shame to Tom, but Matt has that thing I can't point out but that I love.
(Oh and that girl with Cecile is 99% Top, I know she looks a lot like Frost, but Top just makes more sens with Cecile)
Was that frost at the end looking at Cecil. Remember Caitlyn said she wanted to bring her back, and that person had white hair
or maybe It was Top again
They need do an episode...Thawne vs Thawne. The one (actor) that was Barry's mentor...vs the one that has different actor.
Reverse Flash vs Anti-Flash ... kind of.
Wasnt the thawne in legend's erased though? He was being chased by the death black flash as thawne died and was erased at the end of s1 of the flash? Barry kep meeting past versions of him up to the version of the one in the year 2000 whenthawn kills barrys mother. That was thawne before he was erased. Yet passed versions of him still exist?
Also how is thawne back in legends and a good guy now? If thats the thawne after flashpoint. I'm confused.
See there Barry goes again potentially creating another villain. I mean heck they were both even saying that they shouldn't even mess with it because the risk was too great then Barry's sumbass has to be all positive and motivate them to try it anyway....when will he ever learn to stop meddling?
That’s the truth. Even if others don’t think so. It’s not like him and Iris.
Ok that woman in the end there watching Cecile could be Top
One, Matt is the definitive Eobard wiyh emotions. And second, I now want to see an fight with good versus bad Eobard without the friendship is the key to victory bs
The newest hero Spectra!
Would you prefer Emo Spectra from "Emotional Spectrum"?
This new thawne is their protector of the timeline so thawne is the left hand and black flash is the right hand of these time wraiths.
Thawne job is to stop speedster from becoming the reverse flash.
It seems my grand grandson will watch the flash too.
So I’m guessing that from now on Matt will be referred to as the flashpoint reverse flash now. At least we got him back though 🤷♂️
I assume this version of Thawne will die, again in this season. You know, as the 'big death' like each and every seasons have.
Who was that silver haired lady in the background? :)
When I saw the ending to this episode I was like
Ohhhhhh she gunna get a villain arc ohhhh
What if somehow, it's actually the subconscious of her inside Thawne. 😯🤯
I love Eobard and Barry relationship and look at each other
So I was just watching Star Wars videos and I was like "Grand Admiral Thrawn and the Flash? What is happening here?"
1:24 the part you came for
Ahahah thanks
That smile at 0:57 🔥
Idk if i should believe og thawne is a good guy or not but, anything is possible
Okay so code names for Cecile I'm thinking Fracture since she just fractured that dude's mind
That frost at the end I bet on it
So my theory about this is, basicely if Thawne used The Block instad of her that would create the Reverse Flash Origin Story
Unless they are tricking us into thinking its flashpoint thawne then it wont be, the only version of thawne that exists is paradoxs version, original thawne doesnt know meena seemingly because she was supposed to die
grants flash inspires me to keep trying to walk with mettle legs and hips after being completly ran over by a car last july.. im always in pain but the flash tv show helps me keep fighting to live an to walk again.. it would kill me if something happend to the flash tv show
So, from what I understand about this, that evil Eobard Thawne from the future... went back and forth in time... became good in the past, died, and reborn as a good man.
"Hey, we need a way to bring back the same character over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, but we're running out of ideas for how to do that. Ah, just throw in some yada yada timey wimey mumbo jumbo, we've written ourselves into 50 different corners for like 6 years now"
This is just getting confusing now and a bit like the writing is just saying that's why with no real explanation
ok i see: ray good to see you back for a moment and explain thawne return
interesting watch him as good guy but strange
cecile you scaring me now and who is that girl? frost?
Yes Cecile is, and I thought the same thing frost has to that be that girl
@@janninedawkins4288 she is scaring you too?
2 episodes left. I wonder what this is leading up to
So this is how flash finds out why eobard thawne hates him so much.
no, this is not an origin story for Eobard becoming Reverse Flash. there will basically be a good and evil Thawne, who are played by Matt and Tom Cavanagh.
@@sakaririchard8810 I never said it was an origin story, I said this could be the reason why he hates flash so much as something obviously happens to Meena, BIG difference.
Is that frost
I bet it is
Or catilain
how is that frost lol
pretty sure that’s Top
She kinda bad tho, is that frost?
Why does Eobard look like Toby Maguire?
Nice to see Ray and this is set after the ending of Legends S7.
Please tell me that’s not Top again ! She sucks.
Where can I download this movie from
it's not a movie
Is anyone else worried that Cecile may turn bad?
I want that to happen
this episode ı was sad about good eobard thawne
This is before thawne hates the flash
no, they explained that this Is the Thawne from Legends
This season need to address the issue with eobard thawne and Barry Allen once and for all, it's getting really boring to find out he will be the big bad of the season again
I agree, they should introduce cobalt blue and red death instead of using Thawne again and again
They finally brought him back again
ok creepy 3:37 who are you? caitlyn have you been experimenting on the ice drops again?
It’s good to see ray again
Wait did that lady actually stop when the crazy knife guy told her to lol 😆
which season is this?,I thought the flash ended at season 8
this Is season 8.
The flash has been renewed Months ago for a season 9
Is tup going to help her?
I have a feeling this is leading into a Season 9 Eobard Thawne "Origin story". Origin being in quotes because it's kinda fucky with Flashpoint and Crisis both.
guys...PAY ATTENTION. watch 1:50 on. Ray Palmer literally explains that this is the Flashpoint Thawne. the Flashpoint Thawne was turned good by the timewraiths after he got erased by the Black Flash, which is the "Legends Thawne", and he still had his memories. so even if this Thawne got his memories back, he would not be evil. basically what I'm saying is, this is not an "origin story" for Thawne.
Ray.😭😭😭
The amount of bullshit that spews from this series is absolutely incredible.