I'd go with the new seal, you have alot of time into this mower. So just repair it and keep it for yourself as a back up. It's definitely a good looking mower with an excellent motor. Great content as always. Keep it coming, I've learned so much from your channel
I bought the same mower with similar issues. That mower is good, I purchased everything needed & even new labels etc. It looks new again & runs new.. good mowers
Nice video. Ive never found any specs on gearbox lube on lawn mowers despite looking. I fall back on my motorcycle/scooter gearbox experience and only fill gearboxes 1/4-1/3 full. More than that ofter create too much pressure the gearbox, and thereby blow seals.
The lawnmower lady is right you don't want it completely full but I always thought it was more like 1/4 - 1/2 full and also may depend on if its vented or not vented as vented gear boxes allow pressure to escape and non-vented build pressure as the get warm or heat up
I know you’re not a fan of the blade stop system, but I really like it for my yard. I have it on my 86 Honda HR214 SMA and it’s really helpful for when I have to stop to pickup sticks, because I never have to kill the mower and restart it!
In your opinion, do you think Honda's quality of cut is a noticeable difference say between the Honda vs. Lawn Boy with a Briggs engine? Can you one day do a comparison of the differences between the types of blades one can use in their mower? For example, if I don't bag, but instead mulch, which blade provides the best mulching capabilities vs. a 3-in-1 type of blade or a blade specific to bagging. Keep up the great work!
I would put grease in the trans & just mow with it. I like a rear wheel drive mower but if it was a front wheel drive I probably would keep it for parts 🤣
@@RaysLaughsAndLyrics thanks bud. As far as Honda motorcycles, I love the NSR. I just knew they wouldn't work in the joke. While the S2000 is another rear wheel drive, and the Isuzu Rodeo/Trooper based Passport/SLX, the NSX certainly fit a bit better. Have a good day!
I would fix it, it’s a strong engine and with a little care it could be returned to service. Like you say, a shop would rape you on the cost of repairing it . But if you’re handy, like yourself, it’s worth fixing, The shop manual advises using 10w-30 oil, capacity is 65cc or 2.2oz. There is a case O-Ring that forms the seal on the case, (between the reduction cover and the transmission case) that may be missing on that mower, hence the oil leak.
Replace the seal also you may need to clean the drive shafts up a little bit to keep from damaging the new seal especially if the seal has to slide over the shaft any damage or rough areas could or may damage the seal when installing
I don’t think I have ever seen rear wheel or drive wheels missing there traction material like that. I am wondering if someone did not cut the material off the wheels to get better traction on a hillside lawn???
I was working on a mower yesterday an the bolts on the mower were completely rusted, so i tried the penetrating fluid, didn’t work, it was some thick rust, so I asked my dad, and when he tried, the bolt crumbled, so we took the drill And had to drill the rest of the bolt out of the hole, it was pretty bad,this is the bolts that hold the engine to the deck. We got some new bots, and put some medium strength thread Locke on them, and tightened them down, they wont rust for. A long time, hat is the worst rust on any piece of equipment you have worked on.
I would vote for replacing the seal or packing with grease. I have the same issue. I also had to replace the wheels and replace the bearings on the axle. Now, what to do with the leaking transmission seal? I was thinking of packing with grease. But, like you, Honda used light oil for a reason? I am going to sell this mower, so I am leaning to pack with grease and hope.
i know its a year later but trying to psuh one of these isnt as easy as a normal mower the trans gearing is always engaged. you would hasve to pretty much gut the trans. the transmissions are a lil expensive.
no, on this transmission, the wheels are ratcheted, like a on bicycle. Pushing is forward doesn't turn the trans, but pull it backwards will. Try lubricating the wheels, It will be much easier to push.
I would pull the seal, read the numbers on it which is the size measurements and head to your local industrial supply shop and pick up a new seal for a fraction of the cost of the Honda OEM seal. Seals are seals. I buy most of my bearings and seals that way. Even at $18 it's worth repairing the transmission.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE no worries, industrial shops are also a great source for belts as well. I have a very good relationship with Motion industries here and I order all kinds of bearings seals and belts.
You already have time and money invested in this mower. I'm betting the $18 seal will fix it. However, if the new seal doesn't fix the oil leak just fill with thicker oil or pack grease in the transmission like a gear reduction drill.
What do most user manuals specify as lubricant for the transmission? Motor oil? What weight? If you can find the seal in automotive part numbers it would probably be $2.
Try and chase up a seal for the transmission because the whole transmission is probably only available as a unit & are going for about $80-$100 AUD or so in Australia on eBay !
Great vid again mate. I would buy the seal but not go any further. If the seal fixes it. sell, you will easily recoup you money. If not you have great new and used parts mower. Cheers.
I was just given a Honda mower similar to this, I guess its a newer model. the entire deck is rusted out and looks Ike Swiss cheese. I decided to buy a new deck, do a full swap so I can then sell it and make about a 75$ or more profit total.
Does the Honda engine have a switch that shuts the engine when the blades get bogged down? I have a similar mower and if I run into high grass or wet grass it stalls. Can this be disabled?
no there is no "high Load Switch" that shuts the engine off. I would suggest 3 things, first your engine might be worn out, second your blades are dull and need sharpening, and last, you're cutting too much grass in one pass.
Measure the inner and outer diameter of the seal. You can likely locate some universal seals of the same size slightly cheaper than genuine Honda seals, but honestly, $18 sounds pretty cheap to me!
i.d replace the transmission seal as the engine is good and the pulley and belt works well so i don,t see why not go for it and patch and seal up the leak i say and she,s good as gold.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE same here and if your intended to try that option you can always say a good comment from a Australian RUclipsr suggested it on this topic next video upload etc.
on the one with no spark, I would remove the ignition coil, clean the metal where it makes contact with the engine. reinstall it and use a business card to set the air gap to the flywheel. For the one that has no compression, more than likely the valve seat has come loose.
yes fix it. i love watching "junk" returned to service. i despise our disposable culture. my grandparents kept all their stuff running from the 50s til the day they died.
I'd just go with some thicker lubricant and maybe fill it only half full. You've got $40 in the mower, and as long as the gear is lubricated it'll probably work fine, but if not you've still only got $40 in the mower. I'd say something different if you were selling it though.
You have put too much oil in the gearbox. Ideally, the gear should slightly submerge in the oil, and it picks up the oil as it turns. At full, the oil should sit below the seals when not in use.
Why not just put grease in the transmission instead of oil? You wont need to worry about it leaking. I cant imagine it being a bad idea seeing how china dolls run grease right on the output gear from the crank to the big clutch gear beside it. I go 46km an hr with it like that. Sometimes there are situations where somethings are just plain over engineered..... Surprised tho at honda for not putting a guard plate over the drive axel tho. On my brute self propelled it is the same and it easily gets long grass and vines wrapped around it. If i get time this winter i will see if i can rig up a guard for it.
I would change that oil again with how bad it looked, it probably got black already so I would 100% change it and not risk damaging the motor. I got a pressure washer with super dark oil and it was low so clearly no oil changes were done and I completely drained out the oil, put new oil in, and after using it once it was black again so I changed it completely with fresh oil. Do you do the same thing if the oil is really dark?
I was wondering, if I'm the only one that hears some kind of knock on low idle from the engine? Buy the seal, don't see why it shouldn't fix the problem?
I'd go with the new seal, you have alot of time into this mower. So just repair it and keep it for yourself as a back up. It's definitely a good looking mower with an excellent motor. Great content as always. Keep it coming, I've learned so much from your channel
That's the plan! Once I get done, I'll have to decide what to do with it.
All this videos of yours are teaching me a lot about weed trimmers, mowers, etc.
thank you
Im my school lawn mower repair man so your videos help me
thank you Ian Ursino!
I bought the same mower with similar issues. That mower is good, I purchased everything needed & even new labels etc. It looks new again & runs new.. good mowers
oh yes, very good in deed. thank you Ivan Hernandez
Nice video. Ive never found any specs on gearbox lube on lawn mowers despite looking. I fall back on my motorcycle/scooter gearbox experience and only fill gearboxes 1/4-1/3 full. More than that ofter create too much pressure the gearbox, and thereby blow seals.
you're the first person to mention gearbox pressures! thank you The Lawnmower Lady. I'll open it and some out.
The lawnmower lady is right you don't want it completely full but I always thought it was more like 1/4 - 1/2 full and also may depend on if its vented or not vented as vented gear boxes allow pressure to escape and non-vented build pressure as the get warm or heat up
I know you’re not a fan of the blade stop system, but I really like it for my yard. I have it on my 86 Honda HR214 SMA and it’s really helpful for when I have to stop to pickup sticks, because I never have to kill the mower and restart it!
you're right, it is handy in that situation. I usually pick the sticks up first before I mow.
In your opinion, do you think Honda's quality of cut is a noticeable difference say between the Honda vs. Lawn Boy with a Briggs engine? Can you one day do a comparison of the differences between the types of blades one can use in their mower? For example, if I don't bag, but instead mulch, which blade provides the best mulching capabilities vs. a 3-in-1 type of blade or a blade specific to bagging. Keep up the great work!
I will definitely consider it but it will require a lot of preparation then my normal video. thank you RoBB's Mind.
I had lawn boy and honda.. honda is best ..
thank you Alfredo Rubio
I truly appreciate your videos.
I grew up thinking that you just had to get a new mower every year.
The only thing worth testing vs a honda is a toro super recycler. The rest just don't mulch as well
Yes try and fix it
thank you Alan Lake
I would put grease in the trans & just mow with it. I like a rear wheel drive mower but if it was a front wheel drive I probably would keep it for parts 🤣
you're right about that. thank you Mike Jones.
A rear wheel drive Honda? That's rare!
**Insert NSX joke here.**
Mr. Penguin.. check out Honda motorcycles... yes I do get your joke as it applies to automobiles. Best to you and yours.
@@RaysLaughsAndLyrics thanks bud. As far as Honda motorcycles, I love the NSR. I just knew they wouldn't work in the joke.
While the S2000 is another rear wheel drive, and the Isuzu Rodeo/Trooper based Passport/SLX, the NSX certainly fit a bit better.
Have a good day!
Fix it! Always wanted to see a transmission reseal video. Taryl Dactyl doesn't have one on his channel either. Really like your videos. Thank you.
no problem and it should be the next video.
Hi, you have over filled the trans ,just fill to bottom of shaft so as it does not weep past shaft when mower is idle.
thank you Geof HAM, I've already adjusted the amount in the trans.
I would fix it, it’s a strong engine and with a little care it could be returned to service. Like you say, a shop would rape you on the cost of repairing it . But if you’re handy, like yourself, it’s worth fixing, The shop manual advises using 10w-30 oil, capacity is 65cc or 2.2oz. There is a case O-Ring that forms the seal on the case, (between the reduction cover and the transmission case) that may be missing on that mower, hence the oil leak.
thank you Tony M for the information. I appreciate you looking that up .
Replace the seal also you may need to clean the drive shafts up a little bit to keep from damaging the new seal especially if the seal has to slide over the shaft any damage or rough areas could or may damage the seal when installing
you are correct, I should have done that
I don’t think I have ever seen rear wheel or drive wheels missing there traction material like that. I am wondering if someone did not cut the material off the wheels to get better traction on a hillside lawn???
your guess is as good as mine.
I was working on a mower yesterday an the bolts on the mower were completely rusted, so i tried the penetrating fluid, didn’t work, it was some thick rust, so I asked my dad, and when he tried, the bolt crumbled, so we took the drill And had to drill the rest of the bolt out of the hole, it was pretty bad,this is the bolts that hold the engine to the deck. We got some new bots, and put some medium strength thread Locke on them, and tightened them down, they wont rust for. A long time, hat is the worst rust on any piece of equipment you have worked on.
wow, I've never had to deal with that sort of situation before. Are you located near the ocean?
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE yessir, 20 minute ride from my house to the jersey shore
nice!
Try replacing rusty fasteners with stainless steel fasteners. Your problem may be electrolysis compounded by a salty environment. Take care.
@@RaysLaughsAndLyrics thank you for that information, it is greatly apreciated, have a great night bud.
I've seen fibers like that before from mowing over (and shredding) old landscaping cloth.
thank you Mark Phillips, I wasn't sure what it was.
I would vote for replacing the seal or packing with grease. I have the same issue. I also had to replace the wheels and replace the bearings on the axle. Now, what to do with the leaking transmission seal? I was thinking of packing with grease. But, like you, Honda used light oil for a reason? I am going to sell this mower, so I am leaning to pack with grease and hope.
you make a good point, thank you Chuck McMullen, the video for this fix is coming this week.
i know its a year later but trying to psuh one of these isnt as easy as a normal mower the trans gearing is always engaged. you would hasve to pretty much gut the trans. the transmissions are a lil expensive.
no, on this transmission, the wheels are ratcheted, like a on bicycle. Pushing is forward doesn't turn the trans, but pull it backwards will.
Try lubricating the wheels, It will be much easier to push.
I would pull the seal, read the numbers on it which is the size measurements and head to your local industrial supply shop and pick up a new seal for a fraction of the cost of the Honda OEM seal. Seals are seals. I buy most of my bearings and seals that way. Even at $18 it's worth repairing the transmission.
Great tip! thank you patthesoundguy
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE no worries, industrial shops are also a great source for belts as well. I have a very good relationship with Motion industries here and I order all kinds of bearings seals and belts.
I notice at 1:03 when you took the oil dipstick out the oil color was green and was wondering what oil was in that lawn mower
I believe that was the remnants of the Engine restore, it's it more blue than green.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE oh okay I was just wondering why it looked that way
have you thought of retreading the rear wheels with rubber from front wheels, some times you can do this to save $$$ and just get front wheels
yes I have thought about that. the only thing is what my plans are for this machine.
You already have time and money invested in this mower. I'm betting the $18 seal will fix it. However, if the new seal doesn't fix the oil leak just fill with thicker oil or pack grease in the transmission like a gear reduction drill.
you are absolutely right, We'll see how the seal works out. thank you Mark Nadams.
What do most user manuals specify as lubricant for the transmission? Motor oil? What weight? If you can find the seal in automotive part numbers it would probably be $2.
unfortunately they are all different. Some are grease, others are Oil.
I will fix the leak I think that would be the better option they’re excellent mowers👍
that makes sense to me Efrain Vazquez
Try and chase up a seal for the transmission because the whole transmission is probably only available as a unit & are going for about $80-$100 AUD or so in Australia on eBay !
you are absolutely right.
drain the oil below the seal that will be enought for lubrication and it wont leak
I'd put grease in it. 00 grease. Would stop the leak and still make it functional.
that would work too.
Nice mower. I'd replace the seals if available, & see how that goes, or put moly grease in the transmission.
Great point! If the seal doesn't work, the moly grease is next up.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE cool. I'm sure the moly grease will work.
Great vid again mate. I would buy the seal but not go any further. If the seal fixes it. sell, you will easily recoup you money. If not you have great new and used parts mower. Cheers.
Totally agree, thank you Aussie nebula.
I was just given a Honda mower similar to this, I guess its a newer model. the entire deck is rusted out and looks Ike Swiss cheese. I decided to buy a new deck, do a full swap so I can then sell it and make about a 75$ or more profit total.
wow, how much was the Deck?
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE new deck was 100$. but I figure i can easily sell this after it look brand new for 2-250
Sorry to bother you, but what did you use for Trans fluid?
according to the manual it wanted synthetic oil, but yours may not be the same
Fill the Trans with CORNHEAD grease Solid when cold, Liquid when warm
thank you Paul E. Maurice.
Yeah pack it with light grease is the simple option. Think the left front wheel axle needs a little tweaking. Cheers 🦘🇦🇺
thank you Tyrone Clarke.
New deal for the transmission
But I would just put sealant around the case only
thank you KingCarpio
What oil you used for transmission?????
regular automotive oil
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE I believe it takes Honda hydrostatic fluid. I'm guessing you used oil to see if it was leaking.
no this one is just oil. I do have a mower coming up the pike that is Definitely hydrostatic, it even says so on the deck.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Oh, ok. My bad. I was thinking about taking apart my Personnel pace gear box. Have you ever done that?
no not on the personal pace, do you have a model number, I'll take a look at it and see if I've worked on something like it.
Does the Honda engine have a switch that shuts the engine when the blades get bogged down? I have a similar mower and if I run into high grass or wet grass it stalls. Can this be disabled?
no there is no "high Load Switch" that shuts the engine off. I would suggest 3 things, first your engine might be worn out, second your blades are dull and need sharpening, and last, you're cutting too much grass in one pass.
Just buy the seals might get them after market
I didn't see any aftermarket so I got Honda parts.
Measure the inner and outer diameter of the seal. You can likely locate some universal seals of the same size slightly cheaper than genuine Honda seals, but honestly, $18 sounds pretty cheap to me!
that's a great idea. I didn't think about that.
i.d replace the transmission seal as the engine is good and the pulley and belt works well so i don,t see why not go for it and patch and seal up the leak i say and she,s good as gold.
hopefully it works
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE same here and if your intended to try that option you can always say a good comment from a Australian RUclipsr suggested it on this topic next video upload etc.
I could definitely say something like that but the video is downloaded to the server already. Thank you Patrick Stapleton.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE sounds like a good idea mate as i have a bunch of people who work with Honda mowers etc.
Fix!
Mine has no spark my other one has no compression key is ok on that one
Help thank
on the one with no spark, I would remove the ignition coil, clean the metal where it makes contact with the engine. reinstall it and use a business card to set the air gap to the flywheel. For the one that has no compression, more than likely the valve seat has come loose.
I think that since you’ve come this far in the repair, I think if it’s just the seal, you should go ahead and replace it. It is a Honda, after all.
that's the plan. next week should be the other part of this video.
yes fix it. i love watching "junk" returned to service. i despise our disposable culture. my grandparents kept all their stuff running from the 50s til the day they died.
thank you chukzombi
There should be numbers on that seal. I would figure out the od and I’d and get a $3 seal off eBay
that's a great idea, thank you Charles Bale.
Try to fix it
thank you bosch wfk 2800.
I'd just go with some thicker lubricant and maybe fill it only half full. You've got $40 in the mower, and as long as the gear is lubricated it'll probably work fine, but if not you've still only got $40 in the mower. I'd say something different if you were selling it though.
I understand Anthony Hawkins. thanks for the comment.
You have put too much oil in the gearbox. Ideally, the gear should slightly submerge in the oil, and it picks up the oil as it turns. At full, the oil should sit below the seals when not in use.
yes I remove the oil and didn't put as much in there the second time, thanks
Seal definitely
yes sir, easy job.
Why not just put grease in the transmission instead of oil? You wont need to worry about it leaking. I cant imagine it being a bad idea seeing how china dolls run grease right on the output gear from the crank to the big clutch gear beside it. I go 46km an hr with it like that. Sometimes there are situations where somethings are just plain over engineered..... Surprised tho at honda for not putting a guard plate over the drive axel tho. On my brute self propelled it is the same and it easily gets long grass and vines wrapped around it. If i get time this winter i will see if i can rig up a guard for it.
I could but I put what was in it.
why not news seals for transmission. O rings.
I need up replacing them in a later video
I would change that oil again with how bad it looked, it probably got black already so I would 100% change it and not risk damaging the motor. I got a pressure washer with super dark oil and it was low so clearly no oil changes were done and I completely drained out the oil, put new oil in, and after using it once it was black again so I changed it completely with fresh oil. Do you do the same thing if the oil is really dark?
yes But after I drain the oil, I flush the engine with about 10 oz of old gasoline and slosh it around for several minutes and pour out the old gas.
Replace the seals in it
thank you
Either fix the seal, or simply fill the transmission with bearing grease.
that's the idea.
go for he seal im sure that will solve it
Thank you Roy, I'm glad to see your comment. How are things?
No use oil in transmission. Fill with grease. ^_^
I'm sure it will work but I wonder how long?
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE A long time if you use high temp marine grease. ^_^
One more vote for replacing the seal (or seals if there’s another one).
I have it down as one for the seal.
I always vote for parts but the seal might be cheap enough to justify it
it's definitely worth a shot.
fix it!
Absolutely!
I was wondering, if I'm the only one that hears some kind of knock on low idle from the engine?
Buy the seal, don't see why it shouldn't fix the problem?
thank you Christian Larsen
You went this far, you may as well go all the way.
very well phrased
I would fix the transmission
that's the plan
Fix the trans cuz it's heavy it's meant to be self propelled
you're absolutely right about that
0:50 bro there are no tires only rim
you might be onto something.
I would disable it again . The speed of the wheels seems to fast anyway.
really? I might have to measure the speed.
What do you mean? It is the built-in exercise feature!
nice!
Fix it
thank you Lost In Iowa
Parts it up to fix another mower bro. I think that it's too costly to be repaired
that may be the case.
These self-propelled Honda mowers are not viable for push mower use, in my opinion. Perhaps on a small, flat lawn but that's it.
thank you ttnyny
Fix the transmission
thank you Trevor Benes
It’s fixable......
it most certainly is.
If Could Get The Parts Cheap Enough I Would Fix It
that's the plan Albert Peterson.
C'mon fix the seal. I want to see the seal fix.
sure, video will be released tomorrow right after lunch.
K.I.S.S rule (Keep It Simple Stupid)
you got that right.