“Everyone in the world is swimming the 200 Freestyle the wrong way.” - Ian Thorpe
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2020
- Ian Thorpe, one of the greatest swimmers of all time, suggests that everyone in the world has been attacking the 200 Freestyle the wrong way...you got to be out faster and survive the pain.
From Episode 043 of INSIDE with BRETT HAWKE featuring IAN THORPE.
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Best advice my coach ever gave me. The two hundred is just a 100 that’s been sandwich. Basically the same idea but presented differently. Smooth first 50. Swim the middle like a 100. You should be going all out (of basically all out) on that third and don’t worry about that last 50 until you get there and just give whatever you have left.
I sorta disagree with that in the sense that in the sense that Agnel and Thorpe both didn't do this. they were both steady and fast on the middle 100 but they both accelerated and blew everyone away in the final 50.
Its really difficult maintain good technique in the last 50m doing this…
@@verward Check Thorpe’s times. He was swimming 51’s first 100 and 52’s the second 100.
He was giving everything he got in the last 50m thus making it seem like he was accelerating, but really he was trying to swim the same time in the last 50 as he did in the others.
Ian Thorpe is right, I literally tried this and it paid off when I dropped 5 seconds going from 2:14 to 2:09
Did you think he was lying?!😂
@@DublinDapper no no no LOL it's just I don't normally swim the 200 free man that's why and BTW now my times is 2:00 on the dot
Scy or LCM
commenting so i can hear your reply to Undisputedly Mediocre
A time drop of that magnitude is more than just a strategy change. It’s also a slow time for even LCM ( no offense intended ) so you’re probably either young or early in your swim journey
You do a great job of asking the right questions! You can tell Thorpe has been thinking about this topic a lot
It’s interesting to hear what Thorpe and Angel have to say on this. Angel suggests that others are taking it out too fast, people like Townley Haas and James Guy equaling Angel’s split in the first 100 but then fading to a 54 high.
Thorpe on the other hand says that you need to “deal with the pain at the end”. Looking at Thorpe’s best 200 free, set in 2001 at the world championships, he took it out in 51.47, and came back in 52.59, notably splitting 25.8 the last 50. I think some people today have the impression that Thorpe was saving up for the end, and that’s how you swim a 200, but from Thorpe’s perspective, he was simply able to maintain the speed he set in the first 100 in a way others could not. This is probably because Thorpe had endurance from his 400 and 800 swims.
From what I see, you need to have a great 400 free in you to be sub 1:44 in the 200 free. Thorpe, Agnel, Phelps, and Sun Yang all had exceptional 400 endurance, and they always closed out their races faster than anyone else could. Rapsys is proving this, winning the silver medal in the 400 freestyle at 2019 worlds, and going 1:44.38 in the 200 free shortly after. The next leap forward has to be from a 200 AND 400 swimmer.
Well put.
Thorpe was a different animal that had amazing lactic acid tolerance.
He is not the norm. If you go out to fast and a piano drops on you that last 50, you’re not swimming fast.
Winnington perhaps?
You're wrong tho (hi I'm from the future), the next step is coming from 100/200 swimmers build endurance for the 200 specifically. The top dogs right now are Scott and, who are both a lot better in the 100m free than the 400m free. They both dabble in 400m, but it's not their thing. The next big stars are Hwang Sun Woo and David Popovici who both are both 100/200 specialists. The reason why they both didn't medal as teens IMO is that they still need to improve their pacing.
My prediction is that they will both break 1:44 as teens and they will do so by using their eye popping speed.
@@verward well that’s just because the 400 free is SUUUPER soft on the international stage right now
@@verward Popovici might even break 1.42.00 as a teen. He swam 1.42.97 and barely hit 18 years old. He still has almost 2 nears to drop 0.97 which is highly likely since you only hit your peak in your mid 20’s, until then you can progress alot
So interesting. Would love to see Thorpe head one of our swimming programs.
He could easily create a generation of champions. He was one of the smoothest and most graceful swimmers I've seen. It looked like he just glided through the water.
Agnel swam 50.64 + 52.50 in London in 2012. Following the Thorpe script: he went out fast and survived the pain.
Great to hear it from the champ. I remember what worked for me was, go on the third 50, (while everyone was saving themself for the last) and ofc give it all you can on the last
I need to hear this podcast!, you have me here watching Australian Nationals from 2000 jajaja awesome content
Cool to see the big man
I was really going the 150 ez fast but I'm gonna implement this technique in my next meet and hopefully it will go well
Hello I just read this Ian Thorpe is an amazing Swimmer.
LEGEND
Would like to see Thorpe coaching a young generation
Yes
Ian Thorpe has always been my inspiration in Swimming. I was a freestyle swimmer with 100 and 200 meters India records back in years 2001 and 2002. However, due to my short stature , I couldn't cope up in the open competitions, thus, making me to leave competitive swimming.
Ohh !
Exactly. I loved watching Chad LeClos blast the first 100 (and, albeit, die) for his Olympic Silver. Granted he is really not a freestyler but jeez, you train 12-15000m/day. The first 50 will be there. Build the thing starting at the middle 100. Hang on and deal with the racers and pain at the end. Ian Thorpe went 1:44 nearly TWENTY YEARS AGO!!! In the States the 200 SCY freestyle stagnated at 1:32-1:33 since 1980 (when Rowdy Gaines first popped a 1:33 in the NCAAs at Harvard). Only recently did a bunch of studs (Blake Pieroni, Townley, Kieran Smith, and a Harvard's fearless Dean Farris) pump on the first 100 and hang on for dear life for a bunch of 1:29's. Phelps never really swam yards at full taper, but he would have taken down the 1:30 barrier. He was never afraid of pain in a race. He hated losing to Ian Thorpe and PVD in 2004 and learned not to let people get away from him again. Total studs, all three of those guys. These new guys need to grow some stones and not pitty-pat around for 150 meters. Let's see that rubber suited 1:42.0 go down in Tokyo!
1.42 isnt going down anytime soon
@@haraldfranck9 The South Korean Kid had the right idea today in the prelim heat of the 200. Out in 50.12
Still only 1:44.22. If Popovici develops his 200, he has a shot at 1:42 or 1:43.
@@jryan1024 you have to be able to swim the 400m well to swim the 200m that way
@@swimfan752 yeah, Maybe Kieren Smith Dunk Scott or Rapsys can handle a fast 100.
200 is a sprint in running and should be all out and evenly paced especially now we have 15m underwater 😊
I'm a beginner and my 200 time is 2:47. I've been working really hard during practice this season and I have my final game tomorrow. I'll use this strategy and tell you how it goes.
I forgot to come back but I improved my time to 2:30. Something I learned that I will change next time, swim faster! More effort! I did my first 50 with ease and I regret it. I need to seek discomfort
@@kay.510 Kindly update us more. Congratulation on your new record!
Anyone have a link to race charts Thorpey suggested. Always thought provoking to models already used.
Michael Klim was the perfect example of that strategy, gave it everything in the 3rd 50. His legs were so burnt out by the 4th he finished races with dolphin kick
Did he ? Where can I see that
My strategy? "Make it without dying."
I think that this has definitely changed, especially after watching the British trials
It didn’t change, they caught on and did something about it after this podcast came out
His one qualifier makes the difference “ knowing the background of the person “. That being said. For the majority of swimmers. He’s spot on
C'est genial d'avoir son avis d'expert sur les 200m, c'et très interessant les choses qu'il dit. J'aime beaucoup sa technique. Pour moi, il est le meilleur nageur de freestyle and he's the best swimmer;
Wow Ian Torphe!!! The best swimmer of all time!!
@Tony yes i did. but Thorpe is in his class.
it nothing have with medals. it has with his way of swimming.. and medals he won.
phelps is irrelevant for me.
he is great swimmer but Thorpe is something else… something unique, different…
@@silviosarunic3234 best freestyle swimmer yeah. Thorpe is in a class of his own. Best overall swimmer though means Phelps can’t be irrelevant to anyone.
@@silviosarunic3234 unfortunately unique and different do not = goat... unique and different is subjective and one could say that about anyone... swimming being a "pure" sport (not influenced by referees or umpires or officials) is very much objective, where the impartial and indifferent clock decides the winner... thorpe may be the second gretaest...? alexander popov, p. vdh, mark spitz for sure has to be in that convesation... i don't know who would be second, a lot to choose from...
Michael Phelps?
Just sprint it😀
Until this Olympics I really believed everyone was training for the relay as opposed to the individual race since up until Tokyo the US was winning relay with the other method as opposed to this one.
Also the suits helped the 200 free a lot it’s hard to break those records in a textile one
Thank you for loving the comment I am intrigued how do you know Ian Thorpe?
Teammates for 6 years.
That is amazing I am intrigued what do you like about Ian Thorpe?
What do you like about Ian Thorpe?
Haas and Rapsys are the most aggressive.
Blake Peroni too, look at his 2018 sc worlds 200 free
Le Clos as well
And Thorpie was proven correct with the times swum in the Olympic final today - although he still would have medalled.
I think Duncan Scott went out in 51.0 so he wasn't really correct. It is incredible that Dean managed to hold on and outtouch Scott but to my eye that way mostly due to Dean's giant reach. If Scott had won (the difference is literally down to a couple of cm btw) this whole take would have been wrong.
@@verward 9 of 12 sub 1:45 swims this year were all out under 51 some of them far under.
HWANG 50.12 1:44.62 25/07/2021 Olympics
SCHEFFER 50.25 1:44.66 27/07/2021 Olympics
SCOTT 50.25 1:44.47 18/04/2021 British Trials
MATSUMOTO 50.42 1:44.65 05/04/2021 Japanese Trials
DEAN 50.46 1:44.22 27/07/2021 Olympics
TOM 50.57 1:44.58 18/04/2021 British Trials
SMITH 50.62 1:44.74 28/07/2021 Olympics
POPOVICI 50.73 1:44.68 27/07/2021 Olympics
HWANG 50.74 1:44.96 16/05/2021 South Korean Trials
SCOTT 51.15 1:44.60 26/07/2021 Olympics
MALYUTIN 51.28 1:44.79 21/05/2021 Euro Champs
SCOTT 51.38 1:44.26 27/07/2021 Olympics
Hello do you have any 1500meter freestyle strategy that we could use?
Watch my grant Hackett live video where he commentates the 1500m live in Tokyo
@@InsidewithBrettHawke thanks! :)
What Bobby Finke did basically.
So, basically, train to increase your lactate threshold to the max you can?
David Popovici seems to do it well these days hehe 😉
I swear people are going faster than 1:44 no?
No
Aside from the occasional 1:43 relay split, nobody has broken 1:44 since 2012. Tom Dean’s 1:44.22 from the Olympics is the fastest anyone has been from a flat start since 2013.
@@sambeaumont4337 not anymore
I guess David Popovici did it right
i think the only swimmer capable of doing what thorpey has said is popovici... i think popovici is a better 200 meters swimmer than 100 meters...., that is what i think, i think popovici can in the future take the old 200 WR, as far as i remember for me 200 meters freetyle was the hardest test, even harder than 200 butterfly... no many people realize about that...i still swim at my 50ties, and even now 200 meters sprint scares me...
Duncan Scott split a 1:43, anchoring TEAM GB's 4x200 freestyle relay. He's going to destroy the field in Paris!
A lot can change between now and Paris.
His teammate is younger and out-touched him (barely) in Tokyo. And Popovici is still just 16 and is already only less than half a second behind. And who knows who else could emerge. The kid who won the 400 free in the Olympics came out of nowhere. It's such a tight field because everyone is doing 1:44-1:45 in the 200 final.
its true, anything can happen. But up until now, Scott has been training only part time while going to University and now will have three years to train as a full time athlete. His speed has been so consistent over the years that I would put my money on him anyday.
He is such a good guy.
I had the chance to meet him.
The best swimmer of our era.
Ian could beat any modern swimmer of this time
Including Phelps
Swimmers aren’t wearing the full bodysuits he wore.
The suit doesn’t define a swimmers talent, a good swimmer will race well no matter what they wear. Thorpe was able to go the same time in briefs proving the body suits for his time weren’t at all exceptional since they carried a lot of water which added resistance unlike the 08/09 suits which had obvious competitive benefits like reduced drag. Even the suits we have now are more advanced then the ones around in Thorpe’s time
@@tysonscicluna3595 BS have a look at all the world records that fell when those suits were being worn.
Oops!!! Looks that someone do it right these days, even without non textile suit that the legend Michael Phelps did have!