I ran for the first time in the Tempus this week. The design is genius!!! No aches or pains after an "Alpha Fly "race pace session. My congratulations to Andrea and the team. Please please please keep going down this design route. A race shoe with a foam chassis and no plate???
Wow, I am so impressed! The Endorphin Speed is easily my favorite shoe of all time. This is coming from a guy who has the Asics Metaspeed Sky and Nike Vaporfly Next %. Saucony is easily my favorite brand. Andrea is fascinating to listen to.
At the 25:00 mark, it sounds similar to being fit for the proper shaft in a driver in golf. Swing speed, tempo, and load can all completely change how different shafts work for different individuals.
Interesting insights. You got me intrigued on what saucony is currently working on. My guess is when you two were talking about a lower density higher rebound foam you were talking about the saucony endorphin elite ? regarding the viewers question: My preference a is lower weight, drop below 10mm, breathable upper, wider forefoot, soft and energy-returning shoe. But I sometimes like to mix things up e.g. racing flats/trail shoes.
This is a great episode! On the shoe design topic, you guys mentioned that we still don't how super critical foams like peba effects runners overall. Then, how do we know that higher energy return shoes are beneficial to runners' health & form? Would be possible that the right answer is finding a goldilocks zone of the energy return instead of going higher and higher in each generation.
Love this conversation! Could it be that the long cycle from decelopment to market to feedback is the reason that bigger innovations and different tooling often skips a generation? The speed and pro 2 were very similar to the 1, the 3 a totally new shoe. Likewise Nike often just changes the upper in the iteration after big changes to the total shoe. Etc.
Subjective Question: I usually look for Heel Toe Drop when looking at shoes. Drops that are 8mm or less tends to work better for me, while higher drops tend to cause me some issues.
Small background: I do have Achilles tendinopathy and retrocalcaneal spurs. I also need to lose 7-10 kg.
In my case, I take into account: - Drop: I need a higher drop (8+). I have tried lower drops, it hurts. All Hoka and Altra shoes are no go for me. In terms of dynamic drop, my few extra kilos for sure do not make that drop smaller :). - Dimensions: I have a higher and a wider foot. The shoe needs to fit my leg (for example most Nike shoes do not) - Weight: nobody can beat gravitation. Higher weight also puts more tension on tendons. In my size - EU 10 - I am looking for below 300 grams. - I need a little stability. Alphapfly is too "wild" for me. Saucony Ride and Guide are ok. Asics Kayano is also ok for slow days and light trails. Speed 2 is a little small in the heel, but I can run OK in it. I am looking forward for the Speed 3 whenever it comes to Romania. - Cushioning: More foam also helps with heel protection. I am looking for 32+ stack height. - Availability in Romania physical stores: I am never buying a shoe without putting it in my foot. For Andrea: thank you for the insight. Is there any blog / material that presents in more details the info that you presented and their impact on runners?
Terrific interview to have had the chance to do with a VP of a major shoe company. TO get a general idea behind shoe development science. Without getting too scientific and loosing most people who's job isnt in those areas of running shoe engineering. Having said that....from a layman's persepctive....as mentioned in another Running shoe RUclipsr's channel....it's odd to me too (not being female) that shoe companies aren't still have a "women's shoe" deisgned around the "female foot shape" which is more "triangular" vs "rectangular" for a male foot. in 2022. You'd think companies would have known that from the beginning of shoe desgin....that they would have taken a few M and F foot prints and base the shoe shape around those shapes. Also interesting to me....talking about outsoles is ....why only 2 companies (that I know of) have talked to 2 tire companies and used their tire rubber. Why every shoe company hasnt talked to a car tire company....that we dont see all the tire companies represented under the running shoe of a brand of running shoe. Only Continental and Goodyear are used. Maybe it's a matter of accounting? Not wanting to pay licencing fees to sue tire company A's rubber? I mean....if a car tire rubber has been around for however long one compound has (before they update it) ...why not use already what works? in the outsole. Why i hasnt some comapny like maybe Saucony put Pierelli PZero rubber on the outsole?? :) How better to sell a "race shoe" or a "training shoe" than to say it's the same rubber found in the tires of a Porsche 911.?? But a gold nugget in marketing/sales... Imagine a commercial fro a "race shoe" with Kipchoge in sprint/starting block position next to a Porsche 911....."if' it's good enough for a 911...."... Try to get Nike people on the show, NB, Adidas....etc.
More informative than any other RUclips running shoe vid I’ve ever seen. Thanks for making this!
I ran for the first time in the Tempus this week. The design is genius!!! No aches or pains after an "Alpha Fly "race pace session. My congratulations to Andrea and the team. Please please please keep going down this design route. A race shoe with a foam chassis and no plate???
Wow, I am so impressed! The Endorphin Speed is easily my favorite shoe of all time. This is coming from a guy who has the Asics Metaspeed Sky and Nike Vaporfly Next %. Saucony is easily my favorite brand. Andrea is fascinating to listen to.
Just finished my first run in the tempus, great first impression! Perfect level of softness and stability, great shoe!
Great conversation! Really appreciate the insight and information. Andrea was a terrific guest! Thank you.
Great interview! Keep up the great work 🔥
👏👏👏👏 Brilliant video. Congratulation
I love her sense of humor...and how she reacts to Matt's 😅 When are you bringing her back?
Fabulous conversation!
At the 25:00 mark, it sounds similar to being fit for the proper shaft in a driver in golf. Swing speed, tempo, and load can all completely change how different shafts work for different individuals.
Andrea is the best there is!
We're big fans!
Speed is fantastic shoe and so durable - my one request is to improve the outsole grip when wet, please please please 🌧 👍
Interesting insights. You got me intrigued on what saucony is currently working on. My guess is when you two were talking about a lower density higher rebound foam you were talking about the saucony endorphin elite ? regarding the viewers question: My preference a is lower weight, drop below 10mm, breathable upper, wider forefoot, soft and energy-returning shoe. But I sometimes like to mix things up e.g. racing flats/trail shoes.
This is a great episode! On the shoe design topic, you guys mentioned that we still don't how super critical foams like peba effects runners overall. Then, how do we know that higher energy return shoes are beneficial to runners' health & form? Would be possible that the right answer is finding a goldilocks zone of the energy return instead of going higher and higher in each generation.
Love this conversation! Could it be that the long cycle from decelopment to market to feedback is the reason that bigger innovations and different tooling often skips a generation? The speed and pro 2 were very similar to the 1, the 3 a totally new shoe. Likewise Nike often just changes the upper in the iteration after big changes to the total shoe. Etc.
Subjective Question: I usually look for Heel Toe Drop when looking at shoes. Drops that are 8mm or less tends to work better for me, while higher drops tend to cause me some issues.
Small background: I do have Achilles tendinopathy and retrocalcaneal spurs. I also need to lose 7-10 kg.
In my case, I take into account:
- Drop: I need a higher drop (8+). I have tried lower drops, it hurts. All Hoka and Altra shoes are no go for me. In terms of dynamic drop, my few extra kilos for sure do not make that drop smaller :).
- Dimensions: I have a higher and a wider foot. The shoe needs to fit my leg (for example most Nike shoes do not)
- Weight: nobody can beat gravitation. Higher weight also puts more tension on tendons. In my size - EU 10 - I am looking for below 300 grams.
- I need a little stability. Alphapfly is too "wild" for me. Saucony Ride and Guide are ok. Asics Kayano is also ok for slow days and light trails. Speed 2 is a little small in the heel, but I can run OK in it. I am looking forward for the Speed 3 whenever it comes to Romania.
- Cushioning: More foam also helps with heel protection. I am looking for 32+ stack height.
- Availability in Romania physical stores: I am never buying a shoe without putting it in my foot.
For Andrea: thank you for the insight. Is there any blog / material that presents in more details the info that you presented and their impact on runners?
I really enjoy the endorphin shift but would love for the midsole/weight to evolve into something similar to the tempus.
Terrific interview to have had the chance to do with a VP of a major shoe company. TO get a general idea behind shoe development science. Without getting too scientific and loosing most people who's job isnt in those areas of running shoe engineering.
Having said that....from a layman's persepctive....as mentioned in another Running shoe RUclipsr's channel....it's odd to me too (not being female) that shoe companies aren't still have a "women's shoe" deisgned around the "female foot shape" which is more "triangular" vs "rectangular" for a male foot. in 2022. You'd think companies would have known that from the beginning of shoe desgin....that they would have taken a few M and F foot prints and base the shoe shape around those shapes.
Also interesting to me....talking about outsoles is ....why only 2 companies (that I know of) have talked to 2 tire companies and used their tire rubber. Why every shoe company hasnt talked to a car tire company....that we dont see all the tire companies represented under the running shoe of a brand of running shoe. Only Continental and Goodyear are used. Maybe it's a matter of accounting? Not wanting to pay licencing fees to sue tire company A's rubber? I mean....if a car tire rubber has been around for however long one compound has (before they update it) ...why not use already what works? in the outsole. Why i hasnt some comapny like maybe Saucony put Pierelli PZero rubber on the outsole?? :) How better to sell a "race shoe" or a "training shoe" than to say it's the same rubber found in the tires of a Porsche 911.?? But a gold nugget in marketing/sales...
Imagine a commercial fro a "race shoe" with Kipchoge in sprint/starting block position next to a Porsche 911....."if' it's good enough for a 911...."...
Try to get Nike people on the show, NB, Adidas....etc.