Bought a pair as it's discounted now (£90) in the UK and Oh, boy what a great shoe this is. I don't need support shoe but the Tempus is for all type of runners. It is a game changer for me for my marathon training. My legs feel way fresher than before after long runs. I also use Superblast but the Tempus just works better for me. I love this shoe. Thinking to pick up a second pair while stock lasts. Tempus 2 is coming out soon, although it will only get an upper update if I'm well informed.
Same! I have Superblast 2s and I reach for these more. I bought five pairs of the tempus because they are so good. I think the tempus 2 is similar, which I take to be a good sign that Saucony knows not to change a good thing in this shoe.
I wrote my previous post prior to getting the new Tempus. Now that I have the Tempus, I tried them on and was some what disappointed. I did not find them to be very stable. Surprisingly, I feel the Endorphine Shift 2 provided more stability and a better fit in the forefoot with my narrow feet. I have a very weird left excessive pronated foot from an old fracture. I tried on the Guide 15 yesterday and they feel similar to the Tempus. I hope others have better success with the shoe.
Nice shoes , borrowed the wide version and did 10k , very comfortable, love the wide base with flared midsole, it gives it more cushion. It is slow , good for easy long run , I don’t have wide foot but i wear the wide version because most shoes are becoming narrow , less room to wiggle your toes 😂
This shoe feels great in rotation with GT 2000, Kayano, and Endorphin Pro! It does recovery and uptempo great, but not speed so still need a non-carbon fast shoe like the Hyperion (GTS, Tempo) or Kinvara.
I have the gt 2000 & kayano. Does the tempus feel more snug in the midfoot area or is it roomy? My left arch collapses and I sometimes get irritated by a narrow midfoot area on that side. I wanted something to pick up the pace with. Kayano feeling a bit too soft for me at the moment
Good video. I have been using the Tempus with my orthotics for several weeks to alternate with use of Glycerin GTS 19, and so far the Tempus has been a great addition and is working really well for me. I used to be a long-time Hurricane ISO wearer, but unfortunately I had to stop using the Hurricane from the 22nd version forward because the TPU wedge did work well with my orthotics, in either the Hurricane or the Guide. I am glad to finally be back wearing the Saucony brand again with the Tempus.
good to hear, my Tempus arrive soon and will throw my orthotics in them, I have been happy with Asics Gel Kayano Lite 2 as well, Wonder how the Guide 15 would work for me.
The Guide 15 felt a little bigger to me after removing the insert. Unlike the Tempus, because I am mostly a fast walker, as opposed to runner, heal striking in the Kayano Lite did not work for me.
Are your orthotics for fixing flat feet? (Arch support orthotics) ive heard that you shouldnt insert custom orthotics into stability shoes as it would overcorrect your arches, but since Tempus doesnt seem to have that 'posting' that sticks out and pushes your arches, i am considering this shoe to insert my custom orthotics.
I just got this shoe. It is epic! Let's not call it a stability shoe. It's just a different take on plated shoes with super foams. I really think that a racing shoe with the same concept would be good for all runners. Subtile guidance of the foot, rather than a rock hard carbon plate - more in harmony with natural human movement.
hey Doctors of Running! I grabbed the Tempus after watching your initial review and I can honestly say I absolutely love them. I've run just over 100 miles in them and they are exactly what I have been waiting for. I ran in the Endorphin Speed 2's and loved these too but found them just too unstable for the bulk of my training runs, long runs etc. The only criticism I have of the Tempus so far is the black has started leaking into the orange colour. It looks like from this video you are also facing a similar issue?
Nice to read this. I picked up some Speed 2s last week as they were on sale for just £55. First run I was going 20s/km faster for the same effort, I love them. However, I don't think they'd be great as a daily trainer for long runs, so have ordered the Tempus as well.
I have Achilles tendinopathy, bone spur on the back of my heel along with a bursa all on the same side. Is there a reason why this shoe works and I feel no pain at all when I wear it? This has been the answer to my prayers.
I ended up purchasing this in part due to your review. I typically wear neutral shoes but as I am getting older (50s) and dealing with some knee and foot issues I thought I would give this a try. Two runs in and so far I am liking it - maybe I need a little guidance after all. The upper is nice, locks down well, just the right amount of cushion - so far so good! I think the weak point is in the outsole, sort of a more dense plastic feeling one which I never really enjoyed. Also, I disagree about adding a plate or more pop to this shoe - I think it will be a great daily trainer as is. Saucony could always make some tweaks (lighter upper, less outsole, add plate, more super foam/less eva) to make it more of a performance shoe. Leave this shoe as is for a daily trainer for me. Nice review, thanks! 🙏🏃♂️👍
I have been running in the Brooks Adrenaline GTS for years (over-pronator with borderline narrow feet and flat feet, bunion on my right foot and mild planter fasciitis right foot). I run a 5k on the road 4 times per week. No issues with them. I grabbed a pair of Tempus about 3 weeks ago and love them. Lighter weight than any other shoe I’ve run in and enough support for my feet. Great step-in feel as well.
Paul, it depends on which Endorphin Pro you mean. The newest version (3) definitely became more stable neutral, but the prior versions could have been better in the midfoot especially. We still don’t have any true stability racing shoes, but the Tempus at least comes close. -Matt
@@DoctorsofRunning It's funny how different our experiences can be in different shoes. Like my love for the Zoom Fly 3/4. But the Pro 3 was the death of me. Fast, but took me out of marathon training (going on a year). Slowly coming back and still use the pro 1/2 with little issue, where as it takes days for me to recover from the Pro 3. The tempus is growing on me as my fun daily/long trainer, but back to alternating the DS Trainer 26 and Endorphin Pro 1/2 for faster days. Tempus just doesn't get up for me for fast days but feels good for recovery.
Doctors of running, excellent timing! I realized I need a stability shoe for my marathon training, specially long run...I overpronate in the left leg...and notice I may have injury in the internal tibialis...working on running mechanics, working on additional exercises for leg and feet...but I think I will need extra stability for long runs..watching in order to decide between this and arahi 6...thank you!
Ladies and gentleman, I finally found a replacement for the Lunarglide. And also realize I train too much in super coosh carbon plate shoes. I need to see how I recover from my multi-paced long run but I’m optimistic With the demise of DS Trainer, this is my new favorite daily and uptempo trainer! Will I use this for my Marathon? Umm…. No! Not when we have the Endorphin Pro, Zoom Fly 4, or even Hoka Carbon X2 (or Alpha Fly with insoles). But this is my new favorite training shoe for daily to uptempo. Need to test GMP workouts next. Also not for speed, will use Kinvara or Endorphin Pro.
How much do you weigh? That’s a serious amount of mileage! I’m 85kg and I get 200-400km out of my shoes max. I’m yet to try these Saucony Tempus though
I’ve used the Ride for years as my work horse but now that I’ve fallen in love with the Endorphin Speeds over the last two years for my faster efforts I find myself missing some of that power run PB feel on easy days - would you consider this a good alternative to the Ride to get that similar super foam experience but in a more stable and forgiving platform?
Yes. Feels pretty similar to a Ride/Shift type of shoe with Pwrrun PB for most of the midsole and Ride/Shift rim to the midsole. The stability is not at all intrusive from someone who doesn't run in stability shoes. It feels much more daily trainer than Endorphin Speed but with the Pwrrun PB. I'd also reccomend checking out the Craft Endure Pro Distance. It feels a bit more nimble while still being quite stable. It has a similar midsole foam. That said, the upper better on this shoe, but I prefer the midsole of the Craft I think. It's unplated and stable enough for me, but I prefer the little more nimble/peppy ride.
The speed 3 will be an option for moderate pronators - it is wider in the heal than the 2 and the plate has "wings" which aid the stability. If you are looking for an alternative in the Saucony sports science - even lighter and faster
Added this to my vast rotation. I have been advised to use stability shoes in the past but have been running in all cushioned shoes without any issues for nearly 2 years now. I have only ran twice in these but great first impressions. Not as soft as I expected but something about them just works. I’ll be reaching for them quite a lot for daily runs. I think they could work for more but I have a LOT of options!
@@stevros48 quite a lot! But one I would highly recommend trying out is the Puma Deviate nitro 2. Such a great shoe for slower running and can pick up the pace for tempo etc, also has the advantage of the great outsole. Can even handle light trails. I’m onto my second pair and will soon need a third I like them so much 👍🏻
I really wish the super shoes came with a health warning. I made the huge mistake of using one for long miles and races when I didn’t have enough strength and stability but only found it out the hard way through injury and resulting surgery. Please be careful people! Just back to one min on one off only on treadmill and have chosen this shoe to help get back to it in a safer way. Great video. 🌈
@@sfsadfsfwfwfsfsa I wore carbon plate shoes which are/were very unstable/have a big cut out in the sole-without doing the required stability work so my weak hips/foot pronation I wasn’t particularly aware of became really exaggerated especially when I was tired and my firm got worse at the end of a long run. I wish I’d know n to do the relevant stability work etc. It’s complicated and this is an over simplification but I ended up with a perfect storm that resulted in full thickness tears in the cartilage on the weight bearing bit on the inside of my knee from running long distances with my knee tipping inwards. I know the injury is because of my form and weakness but I feel like the shoes exacerbated the problem. I wore them far too much and should have been in a stability shoe doing lots of strength work. Anyway ended up with micro-fracture surgery and now not sure I’ll be able to run again.
So glad I've decided not to go with the hyped, carbon plated, shoes. I'm training for a marathon, aiming for about 4:30. I was afraid with that slow pace, plated shoes will mess me up. I'm about to order the Tempus. I want stability and a lot of foams.
@@tommylee5873 I LOVE the tempus. My original comment was 9 months ago and I still love it!! It has saved me. Enjoy!!!! I totally agree about shoes. Good luck! I’m so happy to read my original post and see I was on one minute cos I’m now up to an hour thanks to this shoe (and some patience..)
I have 100km in the Mizuno WaveRider 25, which I'm finding is a tad too restrictive. Maybe because the wave plate mostly supports the heel area, but the forefoot is very mobile. Suspecting the system used in the Tempus might provide the level of medial support I'm looking for. Thanks for the update.
I run in a Triumph 18 and literally crush them since I'm 300 lbs. I love the springback and the resilience of the material's cushioning effect. My foot is pretty neutral and I'm either running like Kipchoge for a minute at a time or walking. Since I went to the BASF expanded TPU/Boost material, running in EVA feels like concrete blocks with no energy return and no longevity. I like the idea of guidance on both sides. I use neutral shoes because I hate medial posts deflecting my feet off laterally. Did you find that the EVA degraded much? Would say, a Triumph 20 with the whole thing being PowerPB be a better option for cushion longevity?
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Tempus is really nice but m getting only one problem with it ..the arch support really dig me bad n give me blister all the time ..i need to use blister tapes to use tempus but overall ride of that shoes is great i run my mostly runs in this ..that's why thinking to get triumph 20 also
Could you compare the rocker between this and say the Saucony Speed 3 or Pro 3? Those shoes received more stability improvements this time round so it makes it difficult to choose between them..
If I really like this shoe (and I love this shoe), what would you recommend upgrading to when time comes to replace them? I'm actually worried they won't be around by then.
Matt, if you found out at the Saucony factory theyre coming out with a stability super shoe please blink in morse code during the next sub 2. I will buy them so fast. I know the consensus is that carbon plated shoes might be able to provide enough support for over pronators but my left ankle falls in much more than my right. Any support on the medial side via posting or guidance really helps. I PRd my half in Mach 4s but my tib post was sore as heck the next few days lacking any support.
Does Saucony listen to you? If they made a shoe like this with a carbon fiber plate, I would probalby buy 15 pair and be set for life. I need a shoe with some bounce or I get plantar fasciitis symptoms. I've been running in the Endorphine Pro, but I'm not sure yet if it has enough stability for me.
I'd like to test them at the running track (as I did with the most popular carbon plated shoes). I believe these shoes are good, because the price is still around £130 in the U.K. and it doesn't drop.
Hey Matt, I also get wear in the exact same spot as you on the shoe (also very quickly), how do you know when the wear in that spot is too much and you need to change shoes?
is it only me who finds this shoe not cushion at all in comparison to other EVA sauconys like the triumph 21/22? I ran some shorter runs about 5.30m/km pace in the city hard surfaces. and found them really harsh. I love their style and am only using them now as everyday shoe.
I received mine a couple of days ago and used for two Z2 easy runs…and I love them, totally love them! They seem to work nicely with my mechanics, having a quite flexible forefoot. One thing I noticed is how engaged my run was: with some other stability/support shoes like the Kayanos or Inspire I tend to sit back and that screw my form. Not with the Tempus: even during my warm up I felt I could land nicely on my midfoot/forefoot and engage my hips. I’m totally excited by this shoe…surely there must be something with a similar feeling to use as a daily trainer? Or do I need to buy a second pair 😀?
Dealing with some bad posterior tibial tendonitis, based on one of your other videos was considering Asics Kayano Lite 3 vs Tempus, any thoughts? I have a high arches and stiff big toe, but not having plantar pain or pain on the arch itself. Thanks!
I dumped my Brooks Adrenaline GTSs for the Saucony Tempus in September and never looked back. I am due for a new pair. Does anyone know if/when the Tempus v2 will be released?
Just got them. Only used twice. So much harder on my leg muscles than the brooks adrenaline 21. I can't enjoy the run anymore because my muscles are burning. I'm not sure if I made a mistake or I'm just not strong enough. 😕 also the price was kinda high for a trainer feeling shoe.
I’ve had ok results withe the Brooks Launch 8 & 9 GTS which is a lighter, faster shoe with conventional foams. Still in my weekly rotation along withe the Fuel Cell prism v1.
The stability is definitely biased. The medial pwrrun frame is large than the lateral. That being said, it’s not a super firm stability element, so it’s definitely going to be fine for most people, though.
Did you feel that biasedness when you were wearing this shoe? I was considering buying this shoe to insert my custom orthotics (for flat feet) as this shoe seems to be a good stability option without being 'biased' -- which would overcorrect my arches
Very excited about this shoe! I love that your channel talks about “stability” shoes because I still feel that I need them. There was the NB Fuel Cell Prism that came out a few years ago that offered an exciting feel with a touch of stability. Don’t forget about that one. I love mine!
Mexican greetings! I've recently had a gait analysis and I over pronate. The store (road runner) recommended the Hoka Arahi 6 and the Brooks Adrenaline. I'm running my first marathon in October. What 3 shoe rotation would you recommend for an Easy run - Tempo run - Long run/race day shoes? TIA and great videos specially for new runners like me! Grate and gracias 💀 👍🏽
Can supinators wear this shoe? I've read your review and it seems like it's an "unbiased" shoe that guides you forward with sidewalls on both sides, but the outsole design looks like it's for overpronators. Please correct me if I'm wrong!
Are those shoes going to be comfortable for a person with high arches, but with very flexible feet (so, basically, flat feet)? My podiatrist suggested me insoles with high arches. Thank you
"Stability" or "Guidance" shoes or TECH isn't a bad thing. There's just a stigma attached to it. NO one wants to be labelled or admit they have mobility issues. That they need "special shoes". Whether they're 9 or 29.... And, even if the runner has ZERO issues....why not a shoe that has "guidance"? Not a bad thing. Helps with efficiency. Why not as suggested take the Tempus and slip in a carbon plate? Making a super-shoe big-brother companion....which would make this Tempus a gerat training shoe as it's near identical to the "race shoe"....only difference is one has the plate....make maybe 2 versions of the "race versin"...one with the same upper and one with mesh....some like knit others mesh (as long as it's not the see-through type)..makes the shoe look cheap IMHO)... Or could Saucony not make a short-stack height version of this shoe? 25mm at the heel? Like a flat.. Companies need to start making "flats" again....more...
There are specific injuries where they have their place. Some issues people have are long term and stability footwear is the best option available. Here’s one: www.doctorsofrunning.com/2024/03/running-shoes-for-posterior-tibial.html
@@DoctorsofRunning Thank you! Was advised based on a video to buy anti pronating shoes (bought the tempus) but now after I’ve ran 1200km in 2 pairs of them I come to the conclusion my feet actually hurt at the part where the support is. I’m leaning towards trying out a neutral shoe, also with a lot more foam to add to my rotation for the more easy runs but it feels a bit risky after the advice they gave me. Shoes are very expensive nowadays..
I wish I could figure out why this shoe makes me feel beat up after a run. I hurt. I have same experience with speed 3. I’m running in both. With speed 3 it feels great. Love them. But man my back and feet hurt after a run. I wonder if it’s that plate. With tempus they just aren’t that cushioned. They are hard like the guide. I want to love these shoes but they keep pushing me away. I feel so much better after running in Reebok sonatos
If the rocker is too aggressive, you get get more forward translation of things like the knee beyond what you can handle. Rockers help you roll you forward, but the question is: is it rolling you into a degree of motion you have strength or control over.
@@DoctorsofRunning ok. That might make sense. I wonder if strengthening might help? The forward motion is exactly why my back hurts. And my back never hurt from running.
This might be a question for David, but which (saucony?) road shoe do you think best also handles LA/Santa Barbara trails, where there is some elevation gain, mostly dirt? Asking for road shoe since I'm a 70/30 road/trail runner and not sure about getting a dedicated trail runner just for LA's trails. Would the tempus fit the bill? Triumph? Ride? Kinvara? Something else?
David: Tempus is honestly probably fine. La and Malibu mountains aren't crazy technical until you climb high. SB... depends on the trail but I think Tempus would be fine for most.
Would this be a good shoe for someone that overpronates and has more flat feet? I have just started running again and my fifth metatarsal seriously hurts and when I ran before I had to eventually stop because of pain in my peroneus brevis.
I’ve been running in the Speeds for over a year which are terrific but tough on my Achilles. The Tempus has felt great underfoot for my first three 6 mile runs, but I have suddenly developed low back pain/burning. Do you think there could be a connection?
I wonder why they didn't call this Endorphin Tempus. I think it has more right to the "endorphin" label than the Shift. It's got Powerrun PB and it's lightweight. Go figure!
@@nate.docsofrunning interesting.......Never ceases to surprise me how fast people can run with all their different foot strike patterns. The heel on the shoe he showed was so worn! Honest question, do those runners who strike midfoot benefit at all from stability features like dual density midsoles?
@@houmm08 Yeah, we have given Matt the nickname "destroyer" haha. He often (honestly often) will wear through an outsole within 30-50 miles. The second question is a great one! A lot of times people who land more midfoot will still feel effects from constructions like this. Though they have initial contact at midfot a lot of times during the loading process the center of pressure does go back to the heel and then moves forward again.
Great vlog, I also encourage viewers to read their review, my Tempus should arrive in several days, very excited. I'm interested to know how the Guide 15 would work. I need the guidance.
@@DoctorsofRunning I just starting wearing a insole and have been using the speed 2. I tried on the glycerins and tempos and they felt good. Tempos we're not as stiff.
Kawa, the evidence demonstrates a different story. Changing your footstrike does not reduce your injury rate, it just changes where the load is (so it only changes the type of injuries). Those who land father forward still can have medial and lateral stability issues. Those with a history of stability related injuries do tend to benefit from stability regardless of their footstrike. I wish it was that easy, but it isn’t. -Matt
@@DoctorsofRunning interesting!!! but since I changed my foot strike not longer need stability shoes! Heel strike running may be bad for the feet because it may cause the foot to shift into extreme positions, known as over-pronation
@@kawagonzo6951 again, evidence suggests no one type of footstrike is better than the other. It may be better for certain individuals, but not for everyone. Heel striking requires more gluteal and quadriceps strength. Forefoot striking requires more calf strength. Plenty of people switching to midfoot/forefoot striking develop Achilles’ tendon problems, calf strains and metatarsal stress fractures. Not saying it is bad to do, but there are risks either way. People are extremely unique, and trying to distill everything down to the position of your foot at landing is far too simple. Glad it worked for you though!
@@DoctorsofRunning I do understand what you saying! English not my first language and I cant properly explain to you!...make sense to think that when you eliminate heel strike you also eliminating the rollover that comes with it!...thats why pronation almost disappear!...sorry dont know how to explain
Easier said than done. I've tried changing how I land on my foot and it feels very unnatural for me landing forefoot and kinda a hard landing in mid foot Thankfully they make shoes for all feet types.
Powerrun PB lasts forever! 500 miles on my Endorphin pros and speeds, and they still retain probably 90% of the bounce and support.
Bought a pair as it's discounted now (£90) in the UK and Oh, boy what a great shoe this is. I don't need support shoe but the Tempus is for all type of runners. It is a game changer for me for my marathon training. My legs feel way fresher than before after long runs. I also use Superblast but the Tempus just works better for me. I love this shoe. Thinking to pick up a second pair while stock lasts. Tempus 2 is coming out soon, although it will only get an upper update if I'm well informed.
Same here. I'm impressed. First run today.
i really don't get why RUclipsrs and others post haven't mentioned/made a content about the Tempus
Is it kinda true to size? Or if you compare it to Adidas?
@@bluefire2698 It’s true to size. It’s quite roomy in the forefoot and had to do the runner’s knot for better lockdown.
Same! I have Superblast 2s and I reach for these more. I bought five pairs of the tempus because they are so good. I think the tempus 2 is similar, which I take to be a good sign that Saucony knows not to change a good thing in this shoe.
I wrote my previous post prior to getting the new Tempus. Now that I have the Tempus, I tried them on and was some what disappointed. I did not find them to be very stable. Surprisingly, I feel the Endorphine Shift 2 provided more stability and a better fit in the forefoot with my narrow feet. I have a very weird left excessive pronated foot from an old fracture. I tried on the Guide 15 yesterday and they feel similar to the Tempus. I hope others have better success with the shoe.
Nice shoes , borrowed the wide version and did 10k , very comfortable, love the wide base with flared midsole, it gives it more cushion. It is slow , good for easy long run , I don’t have wide foot but i wear the wide version because most shoes are becoming narrow , less room to wiggle your toes 😂
This shoe feels great in rotation with GT 2000, Kayano, and Endorphin Pro! It does recovery and uptempo great, but not speed so still need a non-carbon fast shoe like the Hyperion (GTS, Tempo) or Kinvara.
I have the gt 2000 & kayano. Does the tempus feel more snug in the midfoot area or is it roomy? My left arch collapses and I sometimes get irritated by a narrow midfoot area on that side. I wanted something to pick up the pace with. Kayano feeling a bit too soft for me at the moment
Good video. I have been using the Tempus with my orthotics for several weeks to alternate with use of Glycerin GTS 19, and so far the Tempus has been a great addition and is working really well for me. I used to be a long-time Hurricane ISO wearer, but unfortunately I had to stop using the Hurricane from the 22nd version forward because the TPU wedge did work well with my orthotics, in either the Hurricane or the Guide. I am glad to finally be back wearing the Saucony brand again with the Tempus.
good to hear, my Tempus arrive soon and will throw my orthotics in them, I have been happy with Asics Gel Kayano Lite 2 as well, Wonder how the Guide 15 would work for me.
The Guide 15 felt a little bigger to me after removing the insert. Unlike the Tempus, because I am mostly a fast walker, as opposed to runner, heal striking in the Kayano Lite did not work for me.
Are your orthotics for fixing flat feet? (Arch support orthotics) ive heard that you shouldnt insert custom orthotics into stability shoes as it would overcorrect your arches, but since Tempus doesnt seem to have that 'posting' that sticks out and pushes your arches, i am considering this shoe to insert my custom orthotics.
I just got this shoe. It is epic! Let's not call it a stability shoe. It's just a different take on plated shoes with super foams. I really think that a racing shoe with the same concept would be good for all runners. Subtile guidance of the foot, rather than a rock hard carbon plate - more in harmony with natural human movement.
Fair enough not calling it a stability shoe. Saucony categorizes it as Structured Cushioning. Although it feels like a stability shoe to me.
hey Doctors of Running! I grabbed the Tempus after watching your initial review and I can honestly say I absolutely love them. I've run just over 100 miles in them and they are exactly what I have been waiting for. I ran in the Endorphin Speed 2's and loved these too but found them just too unstable for the bulk of my training runs, long runs etc.
The only criticism I have of the Tempus so far is the black has started leaking into the orange colour. It looks like from this video you are also facing a similar issue?
Nice to read this. I picked up some Speed 2s last week as they were on sale for just £55. First run I was going 20s/km faster for the same effort, I love them. However, I don't think they'd be great as a daily trainer for long runs, so have ordered the Tempus as well.
And after 400 miles they are my favourite show
I have Achilles tendinopathy, bone spur on the back of my heel along with a bursa all on the same side. Is there a reason why this shoe works and I feel no pain at all when I wear it? This has been the answer to my prayers.
I ended up purchasing this in part due to your review. I typically wear neutral shoes but as I am getting older (50s) and dealing with some knee and foot issues I thought I would give this a try. Two runs in and so far I am liking it - maybe I need a little guidance after all. The upper is nice, locks down well, just the right amount of cushion - so far so good! I think the weak point is in the outsole, sort of a more dense plastic feeling one which I never really enjoyed. Also, I disagree about adding a plate or more pop to this shoe - I think it will be a great daily trainer as is. Saucony could always make some tweaks (lighter upper, less outsole, add plate, more super foam/less eva) to make it more of a performance shoe. Leave this shoe as is for a daily trainer for me. Nice review, thanks! 🙏🏃♂️👍
The best running shoe I've ever had. A stability shoe that doesn't feel like a stability shoe. Wow!
I have been running in the Brooks Adrenaline GTS for years (over-pronator with borderline narrow feet and flat feet, bunion on my right foot and mild planter fasciitis right foot). I run a 5k on the road 4 times per week. No issues with them. I grabbed a pair of Tempus about 3 weeks ago and love them. Lighter weight than any other shoe I’ve run in and enough support for my feet. Great step-in feel as well.
Did you feel it had a high arch? I have flat feet and seems to dig in on the right foot?
Not at all and I have flat feet. These things rock!
@@Adamas11 did you feel the high arch though?
@@marklanghorn9220 yes but it does not bother me at all. It supports my flat feet in a good way.
So u dont use any custom orthotics to support your arches? Just this shoe?
Thank you. I needed that review. I'm split between ride 15 and the tempus.
Double post: Endorphin Pro is the stability super shoe. But for marathon I agree, we could use an Endorphin Pro GTS. Don’t forget Size US 14.
Paul, it depends on which Endorphin Pro you mean. The newest version (3) definitely became more stable neutral, but the prior versions could have been better in the midfoot especially. We still don’t have any true stability racing shoes, but the Tempus at least comes close.
-Matt
@@DoctorsofRunning It's funny how different our experiences can be in different shoes. Like my love for the Zoom Fly 3/4. But the Pro 3 was the death of me. Fast, but took me out of marathon training (going on a year). Slowly coming back and still use the pro 1/2 with little issue, where as it takes days for me to recover from the Pro 3.
The tempus is growing on me as my fun daily/long trainer, but back to alternating the DS Trainer 26 and Endorphin Pro 1/2 for faster days. Tempus just doesn't get up for me for fast days but feels good for recovery.
Doctors of running, excellent timing! I realized I need a stability shoe for my marathon training, specially long run...I overpronate in the left leg...and notice I may have injury in the internal tibialis...working on running mechanics, working on additional exercises for leg and feet...but I think I will need extra stability for long runs..watching in order to decide between this and arahi 6...thank you!
Ladies and gentleman, I finally found a replacement for the Lunarglide. And also realize I train too much in super coosh carbon plate shoes. I need to see how I recover from my multi-paced long run but I’m optimistic With the demise of DS Trainer, this is my new favorite daily and uptempo trainer! Will I use this for my Marathon? Umm…. No! Not when we have the Endorphin Pro, Zoom Fly 4, or even Hoka Carbon X2 (or Alpha Fly with insoles). But this is my new favorite training shoe for daily to uptempo. Need to test GMP workouts next. Also not for speed, will use Kinvara or Endorphin Pro.
Such a good shoe. Great blend of support, cushion, and responsiveness. Onto my third pair and getting around 900km (600mi) out of them.
How much do you weigh? That’s a serious amount of mileage! I’m 85kg and I get 200-400km out of my shoes max. I’m yet to try these Saucony Tempus though
I’ve used the Ride for years as my work horse but now that I’ve fallen in love with the Endorphin Speeds over the last two years for my faster efforts I find myself missing some of that power run PB feel on easy days - would you consider this a good alternative to the Ride to get that similar super foam experience but in a more stable and forgiving platform?
Yes. Feels pretty similar to a Ride/Shift type of shoe with Pwrrun PB for most of the midsole and Ride/Shift rim to the midsole. The stability is not at all intrusive from someone who doesn't run in stability shoes. It feels much more daily trainer than Endorphin Speed but with the Pwrrun PB.
I'd also reccomend checking out the Craft Endure Pro Distance. It feels a bit more nimble while still being quite stable. It has a similar midsole foam. That said, the upper better on this shoe, but I prefer the midsole of the Craft I think. It's unplated and stable enough for me, but I prefer the little more nimble/peppy ride.
Thanks for talking to normal people like me! I'm getting in love with this shoe.
The speed 3 will be an option for moderate pronators - it is wider in the heal than the 2 and the plate has "wings" which aid the stability. If you are looking for an alternative in the Saucony sports science - even lighter and faster
But not stable in the heel. Too soft.
Added this to my vast rotation. I have been advised to use stability shoes in the past but have been running in all cushioned shoes without any issues for nearly 2 years now. I have only ran twice in these but great first impressions. Not as soft as I expected but something about them just works. I’ll be reaching for them quite a lot for daily runs. I think they could work for more but I have a LOT of options!
As a stability runner I'm curious to hear the non stability shoes you are rocking ?
@@stevros48 quite a lot! But one I would highly recommend trying out is the Puma Deviate nitro 2. Such a great shoe for slower running and can pick up the pace for tempo etc, also has the advantage of the great outsole. Can even handle light trails. I’m onto my second pair and will soon need a third I like them so much 👍🏻
I really wish the super shoes came with a health warning. I made the huge mistake of using one for long miles and races when I didn’t have enough strength and stability but only found it out the hard way through injury and resulting surgery. Please be careful people!
Just back to one min on one off only on treadmill and have chosen this shoe to help get back to it in a safer way.
Great video. 🌈
How so? Sorry about your injury--what was it and shoes helped cause it?
@@sfsadfsfwfwfsfsa I wore carbon plate shoes which are/were very unstable/have a big cut out in the sole-without doing the required stability work so my weak hips/foot pronation I wasn’t particularly aware of became really exaggerated especially when I was tired and my firm got worse at the end of a long run. I wish I’d know n to do the relevant stability work etc. It’s complicated and this is an over simplification but I ended up with a perfect storm that resulted in full thickness tears in the cartilage on the weight bearing bit on the inside of my knee from running long distances with my knee tipping inwards. I know the injury is because of my form and weakness but I feel like the shoes exacerbated the problem. I wore them far too much and should have been in a stability shoe doing lots of strength work. Anyway ended up with micro-fracture surgery and now not sure I’ll be able to run again.
So glad I've decided not to go with the hyped, carbon plated, shoes. I'm training for a marathon, aiming for about 4:30. I was afraid with that slow pace, plated shoes will mess me up. I'm about to order the Tempus. I want stability and a lot of foams.
@@tommylee5873 I LOVE the tempus. My original comment was 9 months ago and I still love it!! It has saved me. Enjoy!!!! I totally agree about shoes. Good luck! I’m so happy to read my original post and see I was on one minute cos I’m now up to an hour thanks to this shoe (and some patience..)
I have 100km in the Mizuno WaveRider 25, which I'm finding is a tad too restrictive. Maybe because the wave plate mostly supports the heel area, but the forefoot is very mobile. Suspecting the system used in the Tempus might provide the level of medial support I'm looking for. Thanks for the update.
Got these after I developed mild PTTD inflammation, hope they work out.
I picked a pair up just to see what they are all about. Look forward to testing them out.
how was it?
how much same or different the guidence or support this shoe offer, compare to GTS from the brooks?
Hmm, may need to give this a try once my current trainers need to be replaced.
I run in a Triumph 18 and literally crush them since I'm 300 lbs. I love the springback and the resilience of the material's cushioning effect. My foot is pretty neutral and I'm either running like Kipchoge for a minute at a time or walking. Since I went to the BASF expanded TPU/Boost material, running in EVA feels like concrete blocks with no energy return and no longevity. I like the idea of guidance on both sides. I use neutral shoes because I hate medial posts deflecting my feet off laterally. Did you find that the EVA degraded much? Would say, a Triumph 20 with the whole thing being PowerPB be a better option for cushion longevity?
I have the same build and questions !!
Nice. I’ve been looking for a stability shoe that is more race like and this seems to be it.
I guess that is how many people that knowns me could recognize me during the bad days during the pandemic in the winter times. Even when using gloves, a hoody, lots of clothes and a dark mask with sun glasses !!
Even if I looked my self in the mirror when using all those clothes I would not recognize myself, LOL.
You are totally right about it is a king of a fingerprint...
How would the Tempus compare to the Topo Specter as a daily trainer? All-day walking?
A comparsion with the Topo Specter would be great!!!
Tempus is really nice but m getting only one problem with it ..the arch support really dig me bad n give me blister all the time ..i need to use blister tapes to use tempus but overall ride of that shoes is great i run my mostly runs in this ..that's why thinking to get triumph 20 also
Could you compare the rocker between this and say the Saucony Speed 3 or Pro 3? Those shoes received more stability improvements this time round so it makes it difficult to choose between them..
If I really like this shoe (and I love this shoe), what would you recommend upgrading to when time comes to replace them? I'm actually worried they won't be around by then.
Matt, if you found out at the Saucony factory theyre coming out with a stability super shoe please blink in morse code during the next sub 2. I will buy them so fast. I know the consensus is that carbon plated shoes might be able to provide enough support for over pronators but my left ankle falls in much more than my right. Any support on the medial side via posting or guidance really helps. I PRd my half in Mach 4s but my tib post was sore as heck the next few days lacking any support.
Ciao Matt, greetings from Italy! Do you think that in 2023 we will see a really stable super shoe? It's been my dream for years!!
Does Saucony listen to you? If they made a shoe like this with a carbon fiber plate, I would probalby buy 15 pair and be set for life. I need a shoe with some bounce or I get plantar fasciitis symptoms. I've been running in the Endorphine Pro, but I'm not sure yet if it has enough stability for me.
I'd like to test them at the running track (as I did with the most popular carbon plated shoes). I believe these shoes are good, because the price is still around £130 in the U.K. and it doesn't drop.
Just picked a pair up for £68 to compliment the Speed 2s I bought for £55 last week.
@@st4331 I guess they are used, right?
Hey Matt, I also get wear in the exact same spot as you on the shoe (also very quickly), how do you know when the wear in that spot is too much and you need to change shoes?
I've been trying to find a comparison of the Tempus and Triumph 21. Outside of stability, how does their fit and ride differ?
I have the same question
is it only me who finds this shoe not cushion at all in comparison to other EVA sauconys like the triumph 21/22? I ran some shorter runs about 5.30m/km pace in the city hard surfaces. and found them really harsh. I love their style and am only using them now as everyday shoe.
good for easy/recovery runs? much give in the cushion>?
200 Matt miles = 600 normal miles
Yeah just saw a video of him running, looks like ice skating tbh
@@janis8161 link? I’m very curious
When I feel guilty about not taking some shoes past 300 mi, I just look at Matt’s outsole wear, and all is well with my life again. 😂
I received mine a couple of days ago and used for two Z2 easy runs…and I love them, totally love them! They seem to work nicely with my mechanics, having a quite flexible forefoot. One thing I noticed is how engaged my run was: with some other stability/support shoes like the Kayanos or Inspire I tend to sit back and that screw my form. Not with the Tempus: even during my warm up I felt I could land nicely on my midfoot/forefoot and engage my hips. I’m totally excited by this shoe…surely there must be something with a similar feeling to use as a daily trainer? Or do I need to buy a second pair 😀?
these arent considered a daily trainer?
Dealing with some bad posterior tibial tendonitis, based on one of your other videos was considering Asics Kayano Lite 3 vs Tempus, any thoughts? I have a high arches and stiff big toe, but not having plantar pain or pain on the arch itself. Thanks!
guidance super shoes would be marvelous
I dumped my Brooks Adrenaline GTSs for the Saucony Tempus in September and never looked back. I am due for a new pair. Does anyone know if/when the Tempus v2 will be released?
Just got them. Only used twice. So much harder on my leg muscles than the brooks adrenaline 21. I can't enjoy the run anymore because my muscles are burning. I'm not sure if I made a mistake or I'm just not strong enough. 😕 also the price was kinda high for a trainer feeling shoe.
Would this be a good shoe to replace the Endorphin Shift??? I'm neutral and have a tendency to supinate, so I like having stable neutral shoes!
if the turbo nature fails to deliver, I might get this
I’ve had ok results withe the Brooks Launch 8 & 9 GTS which is a lighter, faster shoe with conventional foams. Still in my weekly rotation along withe the Fuel Cell prism v1.
The stability is definitely biased. The medial pwrrun frame is large than the lateral. That being said, it’s not a super firm stability element, so it’s definitely going to be fine for most people, though.
Did you feel that biasedness when you were wearing this shoe? I was considering buying this shoe to insert my custom orthotics (for flat feet) as this shoe seems to be a good stability option without being 'biased' -- which would overcorrect my arches
Very excited about this shoe! I love that your channel talks about “stability” shoes because I still feel that I need them.
There was the NB Fuel Cell Prism that came out a few years ago that offered an exciting feel with a touch of stability. Don’t forget about that one. I love mine!
Mexican greetings! I've recently had a gait analysis and I over pronate. The store (road runner) recommended the Hoka Arahi 6 and the Brooks Adrenaline. I'm running my first marathon in October. What 3 shoe rotation would you recommend for an Easy run - Tempo run - Long run/race day shoes? TIA and great videos specially for new runners like me! Grate and gracias 💀 👍🏽
Have you had a chance to run in either shoe, and if so any issues?
@@DoctorsofRunning starting Monday with Brooks. Following week will try the Hoka for the whole week. I like to give them a week to see how things go
Can supinators wear this shoe? I've read your review and it seems like it's an "unbiased" shoe that guides you forward with sidewalls on both sides, but the outsole design looks like it's for overpronators. Please correct me if I'm wrong!
I’m a supinator land on outside of foot do you think this shoe would work for me
I’ve considered this shoe and also the the endorphin speed 3 but I’m torn. previously I ran the hoka arahi 6… what’s your take
Hey, did you choose the Tempus or the Speed 3? I don’t need a stability shoe but I like what this shoe offers
Would buy if the width version had colors that are not grey/blue
How would you compare this to the brooks adrenaline and there rsil system.
Are those shoes going to be comfortable for a person with high arches, but with very flexible feet (so, basically, flat feet)? My podiatrist suggested me insoles with high arches.
Thank you
A max stability shoe that supports high arch? Is that what you meant?
"Stability" or "Guidance" shoes or TECH isn't a bad thing. There's just a stigma attached to it. NO one wants to be labelled or admit they have mobility issues. That they need "special shoes". Whether they're 9 or 29....
And, even if the runner has ZERO issues....why not a shoe that has "guidance"? Not a bad thing. Helps with efficiency. Why not as suggested take the Tempus and slip in a carbon plate? Making a super-shoe big-brother companion....which would make this Tempus a gerat training shoe as it's near identical to the "race shoe"....only difference is one has the plate....make maybe 2 versions of the "race versin"...one with the same upper and one with mesh....some like knit others mesh (as long as it's not the see-through type)..makes the shoe look cheap IMHO)...
Or could Saucony not make a short-stack height version of this shoe? 25mm at the heel? Like a flat.. Companies need to start making "flats" again....more...
idk man I've run in the guide since high school and literally nobody cares.
Training shoe category for sure because of its heavy weight. Looks like another training shoe, the Saucony Triumph 20
I’ve seen you talking about pronating is misleading us in buying shoes. Why would you then still recommend stability shoes?
There are specific injuries where they have their place. Some issues people have are long term and stability footwear is the best option available.
Here’s one: www.doctorsofrunning.com/2024/03/running-shoes-for-posterior-tibial.html
@@DoctorsofRunning Thank you! Was advised based on a video to buy anti pronating shoes (bought the tempus) but now after I’ve ran 1200km in 2 pairs of them I come to the conclusion my feet actually hurt at the part where the support is. I’m leaning towards trying out a neutral shoe, also with a lot more foam to add to my rotation for the more easy runs but it feels a bit risky after the advice they gave me. Shoes are very expensive nowadays..
I wish I could figure out why this shoe makes me feel beat up after a run. I hurt. I have same experience with speed 3. I’m running in both. With speed 3 it feels great. Love them. But man my back and feet hurt after a run. I wonder if it’s that plate. With tempus they just aren’t that cushioned. They are hard like the guide. I want to love these shoes but they keep pushing me away. I feel so much better after running in Reebok sonatos
If the rocker is too aggressive, you get get more forward translation of things like the knee beyond what you can handle. Rockers help you roll you forward, but the question is: is it rolling you into a degree of motion you have strength or control over.
The Reebok not having a rocker might be why you perform better there.
@@DoctorsofRunning ok. That might make sense. I wonder if strengthening might help? The forward motion is exactly why my back hurts. And my back never hurt from running.
This might be a question for David, but which (saucony?) road shoe do you think best also handles LA/Santa Barbara trails, where there is some elevation gain, mostly dirt? Asking for road shoe since I'm a 70/30 road/trail runner and not sure about getting a dedicated trail runner just for LA's trails.
Would the tempus fit the bill? Triumph? Ride? Kinvara? Something else?
David: Tempus is honestly probably fine. La and Malibu mountains aren't crazy technical until you climb high. SB... depends on the trail but I think Tempus would be fine for most.
Would this be a good shoe for someone that overpronates and has more flat feet? I have just started running again and my fifth metatarsal seriously hurts and when I ran before I had to eventually stop because of pain in my peroneus brevis.
Are the arches similar to Triump 19? Cause I have flat feet and my left arch hurt badly on Triumph 19
I’ve been running in the Speeds for over a year which are terrific but tough on my Achilles. The Tempus has felt great underfoot for my first three 6 mile runs, but I have suddenly developed low back pain/burning. Do you think there could be a connection?
Hey guys which shoes u recommend me. Im between tempus or nb 860. Im overpronation
Do you think this would be a good shoe for someone working on correcting their gait after TKR L and R?
Like the shoe, but run in them 4 times and the insole creeps up and over Achilles..anyone else have this issue?
They won’t do a guidance super shoe cuz it’s too heavy they prob won’t sell well
I wonder why they didn't call this Endorphin Tempus. I think it has more right to the "endorphin" label than the Shift. It's got Powerrun PB and it's lightweight. Go figure!
I don’t think these work well for heavier runners (255)
Hey what's your take for heavier runners? Im 6'2" 240
Do you know what caused your Tempus to go all green/black stained? Looks horrible for a relatively new shoe.
Any word on Tempus version 2?
Not yet!
Matt are you a heel striker?
He is :)
@@nate.docsofrunning interesting.......Never ceases to surprise me how fast people can run with all their different foot strike patterns. The heel on the shoe he showed was so worn! Honest question, do those runners who strike midfoot benefit at all from stability features like dual density midsoles?
@@houmm08 Yeah, we have given Matt the nickname "destroyer" haha. He often (honestly often) will wear through an outsole within 30-50 miles.
The second question is a great one! A lot of times people who land more midfoot will still feel effects from constructions like this. Though they have initial contact at midfot a lot of times during the loading process the center of pressure does go back to the heel and then moves forward again.
Great vlog, I also encourage viewers to read their review, my Tempus should arrive in several days, very excited. I'm interested to know how the Guide 15 would work. I need the guidance.
is it wide enough?
Yes it's roomy..i have medium wide foot and i always use 1 size up for all my shoes for this i need to use just half size up
This or glycerin gts?
Depends how much guidance you need. In general this, but glycerin could be needed if you have more severe needs for forward motion and support.
@@DoctorsofRunning I just starting wearing a insole and have been using the speed 2. I tried on the glycerins and tempos and they felt good. Tempos we're not as stiff.
Price is too high for the shoe, will wait.
“Really good on durability” while showing outsole is gone
A super shoe for stabiity runners? From your mouth to the manufactures' ears.
stability shoes are useless !!! go mid/forefoot problem solved
Kawa, the evidence demonstrates a different story. Changing your footstrike does not reduce your injury rate, it just changes where the load is (so it only changes the type of injuries). Those who land father forward still can have medial and lateral stability issues. Those with a history of stability related injuries do tend to benefit from stability regardless of their footstrike. I wish it was that easy, but it isn’t.
-Matt
@@DoctorsofRunning interesting!!! but since I changed my foot strike not longer need stability shoes!
Heel strike running may be bad for the feet because it may cause the foot to shift into extreme positions, known as over-pronation
@@kawagonzo6951 again, evidence suggests no one type of footstrike is better than the other. It may be better for certain individuals, but not for everyone. Heel striking requires more gluteal and quadriceps strength. Forefoot striking requires more calf strength. Plenty of people switching to midfoot/forefoot striking develop Achilles’ tendon problems, calf strains and metatarsal stress fractures. Not saying it is bad to do, but there are risks either way.
People are extremely unique, and trying to distill everything down to the position of your foot at landing is far too simple. Glad it worked for you though!
@@DoctorsofRunning I do understand what you saying! English not my first language and I cant properly explain to you!...make sense to think that when you eliminate heel strike you also eliminating the rollover that comes with it!...thats why pronation almost disappear!...sorry dont know how to explain
Easier said than done. I've tried changing how I land on my foot and it feels very unnatural for me landing forefoot and kinda a hard landing in mid foot Thankfully they make shoes for all feet types.