The WORST Battleship Ever Built
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2024
- USS Massachusetts was an Indiana-class pre-dreadnought battleship and the second United States Navy ship comparable to foreign battleships of its time. Authorized in 1890, and commissioned six years later, she was a small battleship, though with heavy armor and ordnance. The ship class also pioneered the use of an intermediate battery. She was designed for coastal defense and as a result, her decks were not safe from high waves on the open ocean.
Massachusetts served in the Spanish-American War as part of the Flying Squadron and took part in the blockades of Cienfuegos and Santiago de Cuba. She missed the decisive Battle of Santiago de Cuba, after steaming to Guantánamo Bay, the night before to resupply coal. After the war she served with the North Atlantic Squadron, performing training maneuvers and gunnery practice. During this period she suffered an explosion in an 8-inch (203 mm) gun turret, killing nine, and ran aground twice, requiring several months of repair both times. She was decommissioned in 1906, for modernization.
Although considered obsolete in 1910, the battleship was recommissioned and used for annual cruises for midshipmen during the summers, and otherwise laid up in the reserve fleet, until her decommissioning in 1914. In 1917, she was recommissioned to serve as a training ship for gun crews during World War I. She was decommissioned for the final time in March 1919, under the name Coast Battleship Number 2 in anticipation that her name could be reused for USS Massachusetts (BB-54) (laid down April 1921). In 1921, she was scuttled in shallow water in the Gulf of Mexico, off Pensacola, Florida, and used as a target for experimental artillery. The wreck was never scrapped, and in 1956, it was declared the property of the State of Florida. Since 1993, the wreck has been a Florida Underwater Archaeological Preserve and it is included in the National Register of Historic Places. It serves as an artificial reef and diving spot.
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Oldest battleship still in existence.. you mean that hulk of rust that sits below the waterline????? Laughing in several European languages.
we may not be an imperial power but it sure did look like one at one point.
Is that Flounder???
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Love the straight forward narration
I love you, and your content! Have a great week Brett!
Indeed. The facts with no BS. 👏
@@barrysrcdump3557 Hate the fake added film noise that tries to make a zoom on a still feel like archival footage. Phony.
That's how progres is made
@@HiddenHistoryYT Good work,yes I agree,it was a waste,as its small size allows waves to flood the deck,even if they aim guns at the same side there could eazely fire and flood half of the port deck
Ships going obsolete quickly was common in that time period. Even HMS Dreadnaught was outclassed by 1911 with the Iron Dukes and obsolete by 1913 with the Queen Elisabeth class
Very true, great point! Thanks for watching and have a great week!
The Royal Navy had some obsolete warships at the outbreak of WW1 . The 3 Cressy class ships were sent to the bottom of the Channel with most of their young crews,,,
@@MrPomdownunder All nations had. All pre Dreadnaught battleship and pre Battlecruiser armored cruisers where obsolete
Good Old Warspite, never obsolete, just worn out.
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HMS Warspite has got to be the best name ever for a Warship
The mast of the USS Oregon is prominently displayed in Portland's Waterfront Park. Considering it's one of the few military monuments in the city, I think most Portlanders assume the USS Oregon was a highly distinguished naval ship -- not a poorly designed, boondoggle.
She should still be a museum ship to this day! Thanks for watching Norm and have a great weekend :)
I'm pretty sure Oregon's hull was used in WW2 as an ammunition barge and was later towed to Japan and scrapped.
The USS Oregon had to run full speed around South America in order to get to the first naval battle of the Spanish-American War in Cuba with no time to spare. It took almost a month but demonstrated the need to build the Panama Canal if America expected to have a two ocean navy.
She *was* quite distinguished in terms of her service history. She might not have been well-designed but her crew performed admirably during the Spanish-American War and she played an important role in the defeat of the Spanish navy.
You’d have to be straight up stupid to live in Portland anymore so that’s not surprising at all
At the time, modern battleships were still a work in progress. Naval architects were still learning how to design battleships.
Very true! Thanks for watching!
Just so. It might almost be better, as Drachinifel among others has suggested, that it's better to look at dreadnought and pre-dreadnought battleships as entirely separate categories in making assessments like "best," and "worst." (I suppose you could even break out ironclad battleships and fast battleships as further categories...but I think Dreadnought marks the most important dividing line.)
Nah, by 1903 the pre dreadnought era was in full swing with many nations having successful pre dreadnought designs and even ships considered semi dreadnoughts. These things look like they came from 1880s. Just terrible design.
@@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24 Well, you could throw the Indianas into the "Ironclad battleships" category if you want. But honestly, given when they hit the water, I think they deserve to compared to what was dominant by that point, and that was pre-dreads. And these were surely pretty inadequate by any pre-dread standard you like.
@@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24 where did 1903 come from? Massachusetts was designed in 1890. Maybe it looks like it’s from the 1880s because it nearly was.
These early US Battleships always seemed like a pretty neat topic to me. I’d love to see you come back and cover another early class of US Battleships
I will look into that and see what I can find! Appreciate the suggestion and thanks for watching :)
I think it was nice of the Navy to provide such a great fish shelter.
😂😂 not wrong. Appreciate you watching Colin and have a great weekend :)
Not the only one either, USS Oriskany was sunk nearby after they figured out old warships make good artificial reefs.
Fascinating history! I also saw “monitor” in the design. One thing for certain was that while the Monitor classes were essential for the US Navy during the Civil War, their limitations were well known to the sailors of the day. On the other hand, to this day there is a place for fast shallow draft and coastal craft that pack big fire power. Trying to get the formula right amidst bureaucratic bickering is an art. Nothing’s perfect. Got to leave some room for American kids having to go into harms way in them to exercise some ingenuity.
Very insightful and delightful comment! Appreciate this information and perspective! Completely agree with you on everything you’ve said here, especially the bureaucracy aspect. Thanks for watching and have a great week :)
the issue isn’t so much the draft, it’s the balance and height above the waterline…this design was fine for its intended role. it was only when foreign policy and firepower abroad was brought into the equation did the design have issues and even then it was better balanced than ships in the past thanks yo splitting the firepower fore and aft and on both sides
No progress in ages, then an explosion of innovation
BB-3 Oregon was a museum ship in Portland from the early 1920s to 1941, when the Navy took her back for scrap. When the superstructure was mostly cut up, they decided to use the hull as an ammunition barge for the invasion of Guam, and she wasn’t scrapped until the mid-1950s. The mast is currently on display in Portland, and the funnels are in storage.
Still don’t get why FDR didn’t save her. She should still be a museum ship to this day IMO
Others made some good points about the pace of technological change and obsolescence of ships in this era, and they're right- the whole era from the 1870s to the 1900s was one of unprecedented and probably since unequalled pace of change in naval design and gunnery and armour technology, despite several contending later periods. But these ships certainly are among those that were frankly failures even as built but, all the same, interesting failures that still managed to give some service. Good video!
Completely agree. Thanks for watching!
Then 70 sum years later Nimitz broke the mold basically
Another valuable piece of American military history.
Thanks a lot, Colin UK 🇬🇧
Thanks for watching and engaging Colin! Have a great week over there across the pond!
Just found your channel. Really great video. WW2 is 1 of my favorite part of history. The bravery of everyone that sacrificed so much makes me beam with pride. Being a believer in we need that bravery now more than ever. Keep up the great work.
Appreciate it Jamie! Thanks for watching and have a great rest of your week :)
She may have made for an awful battleship, but as a nature preserve she is unmatched.
I would say the HMS Captain (1869) (that only lasted for 4 months before rolling over and sinking) may be far worse than this ship.
I'd give the title of "worst" to HMS Victoria.
A more poorly designed USN battleship class would be the ones with the stacked turrets.
I’ll do a little deep dive on those this week. Thanks for watching and have a great week!
Now that was one extraordinarily good; (abbreviated) documentary. *The more I watch, the more I'm glad I subscribed!*
Greatly appreciate it Jeff!
@@HiddenHistoryYT Ditto!
I'm so glad you weren't talking about the South Dakota class Massachusetts!
😂😂 she was quite a different ship
“Fledging Navy”? The United States Navy had only been in existence since July, 1799.
Well narrated. I've been schooled about these ill fated ships. Thank you.
Appreciate the kind words Charles! Thanks for watching and have a great rest of your day :)
There were lessons to be learned and the Navy learned them all!
Very true. Thanks for watching Thomas and have a great week!
You must've meant this sarcastically. Ha ha.
Bilge Keels are basically a metal fin running down the port and. Starboard side usually at the corner of the sides. They are angled and help with stability. It's one of the few things you see still riveted on the hulls of modern ships.
FYI Mare Island could have handled the conversion.
Great info Mike! Appreciate you watching and engaging! Have a great week :)
If I may add: Bilge keels are there to provide resistance to the ship rolling from side to side, extending the rolling period. Ships with a low GM ( centre of gravity not very high above the keel, as a very basic explanation) tend to have very short rolling periods which can be very unpleasant to the crew.
And then Great Britain built HMS Dreadnought!
Appreciate you watching Andrew, have a great week!
@andrew allen. Which was sold for scape in 1921 because the revolution she caused spurred on a design revolution that rendered her obsolete.
Good info. Nicely presented. Subbed
Thanks for watching and subbing TK, have a great week!
Solid video. I loved when you began talking about those BOATS. Just subbed my bro
Love your content! Thanks for watching!
Thank-you for reading out the wikipedia article while showing slowly zooming in photos with an old-timey effect
Isn’t a Wikipedia article lmao
7:21 There is a sizable part of me that misses the design choices of this particular time period. The white hull, beige upper decks and opulent bow, stern and turret ornaments just look so damn classy to my eye.
I do wish we would bring back the white paint schemes, is quite stunning in my opinion. Appreciate you watching and engaging Will! Have a great week :)
It would be nice if the restorers of USS Texas chose something other than that horrible blue paint.
I just want to appreciate that a construct so horrible at giving death is proving so good at providing a space for life.
Lovely perspective! Thanks for watching :)
I really like the addition of the information about the life that lives on/in it.
Thanks for watching :)
Great work Sir thank you
Appreciate it Jason. Thanks for watching and have a great week!
I can see a few parallels with the Royal Navy's HMS Hood of 1891. The First Sea Lord wanted one of the new Royal Sovereign class to have its four 13.5" guns in a pair of old style heavy turrets instead of the new armoured open barbettes which had been introduced. Because of the extra weight of the fully armoured turrets they had to be mounted a deck lower. The lack of freeboard made her like a half tide rock, taking aboard 200 tons of water on one occasion and was difficult to maneuver. She had been for sale at the start of the first World War but no buyer being found it was decided to scuttle her as a blockship at Portland Harbour. Even that didn't go well as she capsized as she sank and now lies upside down across a disused harbour entrance. She is apparently a hazardous dive due to the strong tides through the narrow entrance.
Great info Mike, thanks for sharing! Seems that British battleships have a thing for not allowing themselves to be scrapped 😂 Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)
Hood is also a rusting hulk on the sea floor, and she was built earlier as part of the 1889 programme. So does that make her the "oldest battleship still in existence"?
The steel battleships of the 1890s were rather wonderful machines for their day. Finding fault in them is a comparative thing. But definitely a lot was attempted on very limited displacements with the first American trio. Not until the start of the 1900s did they really strike the right balance, IMO. Dropping the heavy and by then nearly useless twin 8-inch turrets was the right way to go at the start of the 20th C.
You think yourself a student of history and along comes a story like this and reinvigorates my thirst for historical knowledge. The fact that port and starboard secondary guns dipped into the water when the big guns swiveled to the side blew my mind. Then you said it was designed by politicians instead of engineers and it all made sense. Very fascinating story!
Appreciate you watching Ron! Have a great week :)
It wasnt designed by politicians at all
@@amblincork Perhaps "interfered with" would be a more apt description if that adds clarity for you.
Muchas gracias por compartir este dato histórico y videos, un cordial saludo, JV
Appreciate you watching and have a great weekend :)
Thanks .. good video,
As a long time resident and fisherman out of Pensacola.. we go to the 'Mass' dozens of times to catch bait and fish.
In the 70' both turrets were awash and you could see the openings for the 13 inch guns .. now only the west turret becomes exposed at very low tides or between swells ...
And I have lost at least one cast net there.
Every so often a boat piles up on here, despite having a large red buoy with flashing red light near by .. A boat hit a turret and eventually sank at the last Blue Angels Air Show July 2022
Thanks for watching Keith and sharing this great local information that helps to paint a better picture! How is the fishing there? I’ve heard it’s not the safest place to dive or be out swimming! I also read the account of the “Sea Monster” the other day as well. Also interesting to hear that she’s still sinking ships a 100 years later here! Hope you have a great week :)
@Hidden History Since the Mass holds a lot of bait its good for Spanish and King Mackerel.. and occasional cobia in the warmer months .. lots of spad fish and huge remora .. I have heard of a Jewfish hanging out there too.. some sheepshead early spring and a few mangrove snapper in the fall.
In the early summer we have an incoming tide in the morning .. and from daylight to mid morning may, June July there may be a dozen boats or more catching bait,mostly with sabiki rigs.
You are 100% correct about catching slack high tide as the prime time to dive or snorkel.. but when it's right its spectacular
@@keithdubose2150 very interesting, thanks for sharing! Best of luck on your future fishing outings!
the committee who designed these confections of incompetence had obviously never heard of the English 'Mary Rose' of King Henry VIII or the Swedish 'Vasa' of King of Gustavus Adolphus, both so overloaded with cannon that they turned turtle and sank.
Thanks for watching :)
@@HiddenHistoryYT my pleasure entirely
The battle cruiser Olympia is still afloat as a museum at Philadelphia’s Seaport Museum. Really worth the visit as it was from the same era.
I need to see it still!
Politicians are not exactly noted for wisdom and foresight. 😂
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Great channel keep up the good work.
Appreciate the kind words! Thanks for watching and have a great weekend :)
The gatling guns were the direct predecessors to the Phalanx CIWS 20mm gatling shipboard defense system we have today.
Great info! Thanks for watching and have a great week!
they did put electric motors on Gatling guns in the late 19th century, but at the time no one could see a use for such a fast firing gun, at the time armies had magazine cut offs in rifles to prevent excessive ammo usage, so a gun that fired 1500 rounds a minute (as built by Crocker-wheeler motor company)was too expensive to run!
@@andreww2098 wow, great info Andrew! Thanks for watching and have a great week :)
So, they were the Pontiac Aztecs before their time?
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How dare you besmirch the name of one of the greatest cars ever made
BB-3 the USS Oregon was the first museum ship prior to WWII. During WWII she was activated as an ammunition ship at the Battle Of Okinawa. She was scrapped after the war. During the Spanish American War, the Oregon became famous for her speedy run from San Francisco to Cuba in 66 days (this was before the canal). During the Battle of Cuba, Oregon bracketed the Spanish ship Cristóbal Colón and caused the Spanish captain to scuttle his ship. She was also the fastest battle ship in the US navy at the time. She also did convey escort during the allied intervention in the Russian Revolution, and the Philippine-American War and the Boxer Rebellion. I would argue that this class of battleship was a work in progress. As a fighting ship she did the job at the time.
Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)
Talk to any engineer and they'll tell you that business school still does not teach this lesson.
Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)
Strikes me that those ships were also top heavy - an incredible clutter of gewgaws above the deck. It's a wonder they didn't roll over and sink on launching! Interesting video . . . and I wonder how these compared with British ships of the time, and then with the "Dreadnought".
Thanks for watching Richard! Have a great week :)
The contemporary RN ships were the 8 Royal Sovereigns which were regarded as being a fairly successful design for their time. They were retired just after Dreadnought was launched
@@jamesmaclennan4525 And all obsolete on the arrival of the "Dreadnought".
@@richardcleveland8549 well yes that is why they were basically hulked in 1904.
@@jamesmaclennan4525 Sunk in the right places, they might've been fine breeding places for fish . . . their highest and best use.
Congress 1890: We're not sure we want to spent that much money.
Congress 2023: HERE'S THE CHECKBOOK!!!!
Its already overdrawn
😂😂
That was a really interesting video, well done. Subbed 👌
Appreciate it Barry! Hope you have a great rest of your week :)
@@HiddenHistoryYT
I'm in the UK, so your videos are all new areas of interest for me, especially as I've had military experience. Mentioning the dangers of the currents was a nice touch.
@@barrysrcdump3557 Glad to hear that! Check this out as well if you found the currents interesting: imgur.com/a/QjyszIU
Build to kill and destroy, now serves a home for life. Pretty poetic of the last 100 years of history.
Completely agree! Thanks for watching and have a great weekend :)
Worst US battleship? - Perhaps the original steel Texas.
The old Oregon rounded the Horn on her way from Bremerton to Santiago - not bad 4 N old low-freeboard ship.
After a string of stacked-turret & other ideas, the Massachusetts' porcupine gun layout was basically returned 2 4 American predreadnoughts 'til our pocket South Carolina dreadnoughts brought us halfway N2 a new age
I’ll second that. The OG Texas (not the dreadnaught) was limited in how she could reload her guns to a comical extent
The Texas never got a hull number, so technically B1/BB1 Oregon is still the first US BB. on a technicality...
The French: "...Tiens ma Vin"
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That is quite a story. Thanks so much.
I appreciate the kind words, and thanks for watching! Have a great week!
You can find many cartoons about what happens when a committee designs something best left to the experts.
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Good story. Total failure as a battleship but an overwhelming success as an artificial reef. Awesome!
Thanks for watching :)
The Oregon did several things that changed the United States into a world power.
The ship was the most famous vessel in the world during its trip around sailing from the west coast around Tierra Del Fuego and sailing to Cuba to arrive at San Juan Bay.
The Oregon's Captain kept his ship's boilers hot and steam up with his Cardiff Coal waiting for the bottled up Spanish Navy to make a run for it.
Most the rest of the U.S. Navy ship's had let their steam run down,and when the Spaniards made the breakout the Oregon was able to run them down.
That trip around South America gave Teddey Roosevelt the ammunition to complete the Panama Canal, and inherit The Phillipines, and a host of Pacific Islands that the Japanese tried to occupy and keep in 1941.
So was the Oregon and her sisters were supposedly the worst Battleship's in the world?
The only way Congress in the 1890's would approve more Naval vessels would be to classify them as "coastal defense ships".
The U.S. was very protectionist minded in those years.
They were as stated, just upgraded river monitors.
Excellent information Jim! Appreciate you sharing this and watching the video! Have a great week :)
“Bumbling and disagreeable politicians” 😂. Nothing ever changes.
Very true 😂
Ah, those golden days of yesteryear, when we balked at huge miltary expenditures.... good times....
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Don't you guys use 'tons' for heavy items at all?
The real failure would have been not to learn from the mistakes they made.
Like the disaster that was the Mark 14 torpedo.
'Harked back', not 'hearkened back''; one craft, several craft.
Please kill me. This was really interesting and very well scripted. So much worthwhile information about the ship and its current occupants, and how to get to visit them.
Less smokey than the Admiral Kuznetsov. At least she's got that going for her, which is nice.
This review of these committee designed battleships reminds me of the early attempts of the French Navy trying to come up with battleship designs to out class the English Navy. The French designs are referred to as being like Hotels.
Great info! I love the look of those old French ships tbh. Thanks for watching and have a great week Dan!
Certainly explains why Drachinifel calls his video on French Pre-Dreadnoughts: When Hotels go to war
@@justinwoolsey4269 Love his channel and that video!
From an overhead view, they looked as if they were designed after a short, recreational canoe, next to a hollow log, one of the shakiest designs known to man
Hadn’t though of it like that but you are right! Thanks for watching!
They also suffered from mutual blast effect issues, 8" on 13" and 13" on 6" batteries. Many designs in the Dreadnought era were crammed more or less. It's a miracle the Oregon didn't founder on her journey to Cuba and a shame she was scrapped in WW2.
Great info here! Thanks for watching and have a great week :)
Mistakes provide the best opportunity to learn.
I completely agree Terry! Thanks for watching and have a great week :)
HMAS Cerberus 1869 launched monitor style ship still exists too in port phillip bay as a dive attraction.
Very interesting, I'll have to check that out! Thanks for watching!
It's not really the "oldest battleship still in existence". HMVS Cerberus was launched in 1869 and is, similarly, a marine reef off a beach in Melbourne, Australia. The USS Massachusetts is around 27 years younger. There may even be older ships, if "in existence" means a few fragments of rust are left.
The Cerberus design was based on the USS Monitor.
What about HMS Warrior (1860)? You can see her afloat in Porstmouth.
I don't think a wreck belongs into the category "battleships in existence".
Well, as my grandfather used to say, "things are never so useless it ain't useful for something".
Sounds like a smart man 😂
Unfortunately he was talking about your grandmother 🤣😝😂
Wait wait wait, I'm just kidding I couldn't pass it up.
she was caught between two beliefs and times: isolation and defense vs. being a world power, then of being the 19th century emphasis on bombardment vs. ship to ship battles…
she wasn’t a slouch in any category, she was simply caught in the state if flux for the time period. she at least survived far longer than the vast majority of her contemporaries and managed to be useful until the end!
she was far from the worst, she was just misunderstood and overlooked because of shiny new toys
A very interesting time in naval design for sure! Thanks for watching and have a great week :)
I don’t think you can call a shipwreck the “oldest battleship still in existence”
That would be the USS Texas....
Indeed and given all the guns were removed it cant be called a battle ship at all
The photo of the crew under the canopy... right in the middle is “That Guy” that every group has, that thinks he the most hilarious guy around!
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Interesting, definitely putting on my list of dive spots
Let me know how it is if you do!
Excellent and interesting. Please give the speed in knots and mass in Tons. All other ships are described in this manner
I need tons and knots also...thank you
And I am always confused by all other videos about ships because I'm not a sailor. Personally, I appreciated that he used units I could relate to so I could better understand the scale of things. I get that it may not have been as proper, but given the casual nature of the video, I like that I can understand it vs knots and "gross registered tons" or other units that carry no meaning to a land-lubber like me.
Ya I get both sides of it lol, can’t win either way. Thanks for watching though and have a great week Matt!
I’ll add conversion notes in the next one. Thanks for watching though and have a great week!
I would have thought that HMS Dreadnought (1906) was a major factor in the redesign of all these types of ships during this era.
The things that made _Dreadnought_ special weren't things you could retrofit onto a ship. You'd have to replace the engines, rebuild the hull to get some more freeboard, and get rid of enough of the superstructure to fit more 13" turrets (and associated machinery) and/or replace the main guns with something smaller. You would spend less money building a larger, more capable ship. Or you could do what they did, cheap out and do the minimum to make it not suck too badly.
7:26 that would make a cool album cover
It actually was used for one by a band! I’ll see if I can find it
Edit: Found it: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychic_Warfare
Oh, you need 300 million? Here’s 12.
Oh, and not only are we not going to fund you, we’re going to tell you how to build the ship, despite the fact that we’re just a bunch of suits at a big table, and we have NO idea how to design a ship. And then when we do it wrong, it’s your fault.
How did we get here… madness. Absolute madness.
Thanks for watching :)
I believe these are the battleships that the Monopoly Battleship Game Piece was designed from.
Very interesting! Thanks for watching and have a great week Scott!
Why didn't they balance the guns in the turret in such a way that the center of mass matches the center of rotation?? I don't need to be a genius or an engineer to consider that obvious.
Great question!
Further proof that people who have no idea how things work should not dictate how things work
Completely agree! Thanks for watching and have a great week Shane :)
I heard the beginning and all I thought was Red Letter Media, Mr. Plinkett saying “Star Was The Phantom Menace was the most disappointing thing since my son.” 😂
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Great video
Thanks for watching! Have a great week!
I saw an article a few months ago titled “The Worst Battleship Ever” and it was about THIS Massachusetts. However, it used pictures showing the Iowa class. I was confused at first.
Edited: I mistook the USS Massachusetts for the USS Missouri
The later USS Massachusetts, BB-59, was a South Dakota class, not an Iowa class battleship.
@@JLange642 my mistake
I was thinking of the Missouri
The later USS Massachusetts (BB-49) was a South Dakota class battleship, the class immediately preceding the Iowas. She was shorter, slower by a few knots and carried a somewhat less powerful 16” gun than the Iowas, but had a similar appearance and secondary armament.
Big Mamie is a South Dakota class. Not Iowa.
BB-59
My grandfather served as ships writer aboard a Majestic class Royal Navy battleship on the Gallipopi Campaign of World War I. Being coal powered and obsolete at this time it had it's main armament removed and was used as a troop ship. The turrets had been pulled out whole and placed upon oil powered monitors that also went to Galipoli.
"The ships proved to be among the most successful designs of their day" and were contemporaries of USS Massachsetts.
How did Britain get the Majestic class so right while America got the Indiana class so wrong, using the same technology?
The Japanese copied the Majestic class battleships and used them in the Russo Japenese War.
Wow, great information thanks for sharing! Appreciate you watching and have a great weekend :)
Somehow I knew old BB-2 was the likely answer when I first read the video's title. At least it can be said things could only get better from there, the designers having learned what not to do when designing a battleship.
The best successes come from failures! Thanks for watching and have a great week Butch :)
If it could have gotten onto the great lakes then it would have made an excellent training ship like those ships that were converted so carrier pilots could have been trained.
That would’ve been a great option I hadn’t thought of! Thanks for watching!
Except that would have been a violation of the Rush-Bagot treaty which demilitarized the Great Lakes. The treaty wasn’t suspended until 1942, after the U.S. allied with Canada and the U.K. for WW2, and then amended in 1946 to allow training cruises.
@@zxjim excellent point and information Jim!
@@zxjim I didn't know about that history. Speaking about great lake treaties, the great lakes have got themselves an agreement when would prevent states like Nevada and their corporate farmers from running a pipeline to the Great lakes.
The south west is in a water crisis and you still see farmers growing onions to sell to china to feed their pigs.
I wish the Great Lakes would look forward the next 100 years with how the south West & Mid west keep sinking deeper ground water wells.
13” guns with only a 2 mile range?
US Navy: "Guns, lots of guns"
BB hulls: "I'm in trouble"
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The perfect example of design-by- committee.
Never works out does it! Thanks for watching and have a great rest of your week Marv :)
What about that sea monster that lives nearby?lol
Actually just read that story the other day. Very interesting! I personally believe it to be the stress of the situation that cause him to think it was a sea monster that killed his friends. Thanks for watching!
the Austrians had one similar to this on a lake, sunk by an Italian torpedo boat.
Very cool, didn't know that! Thanks for watching and have a great week!
The WORST Battleship Ever Built?
HMS Captain: "Hold my lifeboats"
The Vasa, the Mary Rose, the Massachusetts.... This is what happens when politicians pretend to be engineers.
Very good video which could have been even better if it weren't for the added distracting artificial scratches and dust particles.
Will take that into consideration for future videos, appreciate the honest feedback! Thanks for watching and have great week :)
Actually the USS Oregon was saved by the donations of school kids from the scrap heap. However inWWII it was taken by the Navy and used as an Ammo Barge in the Pacific where it was sunk in the Island Hopping Campaign.
As Ship designs improve on the failures from previous designs, politicians have gone in the opposite direction.
That ship design was very steampunk.
Very true! Thanks for watching!
"We'll build a battleship with guns and guns on top of the guns."😅
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To be fair to the old girl, there were ALOT of ships designed in this era that were pretty terrible. It was a time of experimentation and invention that naval architects really did not have designs nailed down yet.
Agree! Very interesting/rapidly advancing period in naval ship building. Could honestly explore any countries building at that time! Thanks for watching and have a great week :)
Um, no. She was started 3 years before HMS Dreadnought, despite having design worse than 25 year old ships at the time. It's like Windows ME trying to compete with Windows 10...
@@KuK137 I have no idea where you get your information from, but HMS dreadnought was commissioned in 1906 and was laid down the year before. She was a rush build to get her completed before the US completed the South Carolina class and the IJN the Kawachi class. HMS Dreadnought was very much a ship 10-15 years ahead of any of the Indiana's in her timeline.
The Indiana's were laid down in 1891, launched in 1893, and were in commission 1895-1896. She was fairly typical for a pre-dreadnought of her time. And in no way was she an inferior to a ship from the 1870s or 1880s. Had she come across anything like HMS Colossus, Ajax, or the Admiral classes (dreadnoughts of the late 1870s and early 1880s), USS Indiana would have absolutely spanked them with her superior range, heavier armament, and better armor. At worst, she was somewhat inferior to the contemporary pre-dreadnoughts of the Royal Navy, and that was mostly due to limitations in range and seakeeping, which were not considerations in her design. She was designed for firepower and armor, and sacrificed range and seakeeping to do it. The Indiana class were always meant to be a coastal defense battleship, as she was the first USN battleship besides the USS Texas, which came out a few years before and was very much a test bed of technology for a navy that had yet to build many ironclads since the American Civil War due to their limited budget
Just one thing, when talking about speeds in a marine environment, please use knots (and nautical miles for distance)... Other than that, great video.
Will do in the future! Appreciate you watching and have a great weekend :)
Designed by a panel and it ended up junk, eh? Reminds me of that old joke -
Q - "What do you call a horse designed by a committee?"
A - "A camel."
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OK , those ships took on Spains best ships ,and for what they were they did there jobs, the oregon ran down a cruiser, and sank her, she might have been outclassed, but the new battleships outclassed all other battlleships
Interesting points Roger. Appreciate you watching and engaging! Have a great week :)
Really enjoyed the video but I'd like to encourage you to use knots rather than mph and maybe tons rather than pounds? Or even just add the later as a note at the bottom. Not a deal breaker and I learned something new so thank you.
I watch a lot of videos like this, but I'm not a sailor, so I appreciated the fact that he used units that I'm familiar with, even if they aren't appropriate to the subject matter. For the first time in a long time, I actually had a unit I could relate to and better understand the scale of what he referenced. Knots means nothing to me as a guy who walks, runs, and drives, but MPH does. Similarly with pounds vs all the different tonnage units I hear in these videos. I mean, I have no idea what a "gross registered ton", or a "long ton", or any of those other units are, but hearing "100,000 pounds" helps me grasp how immense something was in units I can relate to.
Ya I try to put some stuff in more general terms for people who arent super educated on these areas. The notes at the bottom for showing both is a good idea that I’ll use in the future though! Appreciate you watching still! Have a great week!
@@HiddenHistoryYT I appreciate you have to serve a US audience who do not deal in international terms but RUclips is by no means a purely US platform. Thumbs down for this one.
@@EuroScot2023 bruh I literally just said in the future I’ll put both conversations lmao. Gosh you lot are hard to make happy aren’t you. I hope you can find some happiness in the rest of your day, have a great week!
@@mattmorrisson9607 fair comment and an angle I hadn't considered. Thank you.
Brilliant video
Appreciate you watching, have a great week!
I wish you were my teacher! Its like ASMR to my ears.
You’re too kind. Thanks for watching!