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@@Fishie77 The problem with a Twinborn tier list is that there are 256 possible Twinborn combinations 😅 Maybe I could rank a subset of those possibilities
Twinborn Tier List would be insane but fun lol could probably turn that into a whole video series in its own right lol. Absolutely Compounding Tier list next because I have thoughts and I wonder on how we differ lol. First change I would make is Chromium is S Tier by your own definition used for Copper. Money is a MASSIVE deal and for some people the most massive. Being able to increase your luck and win nearly guaranteed money from a Casino or a Card Room? Easy S Tier for me. Iron is also an S for me but I understand the A rating. Steel is A for me as well but for a different reason. The drawback of Steel is that it doesn’t increase wind resistance or decrease friction so you have an upper limit to the speed you can run without setting yourself on fire or burning you skin off lol. That upper limit drawback puts it in A.
I think iron easily belongs in S tier. You said yourself it has no real drawbacks. The applications for making yourself lighter or heavier on demand are basically endless, and it synergizes very well with most of the other physical powers
That's a good point! I think I would bump it up to S if I redid the ranking. I'm imagining all the impressive calisthenic feats one could pull off when actively storing weight lol
For copper I would use it to read/watch things I love as if it were the first time. Could also just forget spoilers that come my way, the power to forget but not lose a memory seems really useful in ordinary life.
In the modern world, Zinc would be S tier. Pass any exam/test, solve any puzzle , be super smart and witty in social/work situations, and be able to react with super fine reflexes in sports or combat. The filling process isn't that big a deal, people literally slow their brains down for fun with alcohol or pot all the time.
Sorry but I can't look at our internet- plagued by paywalls, link rot, server failures, and a world where entire generations of books and films are on media that rotted before they could be stored on something more durable, and say that Copper isn't useful. I think when we see Era 3, unkeyed copperminds are going to be one of the key forms of data storage. Not to mention you don't have to understand what you're seeing to store it in a coppermind. You can skim things at speed, store them then open them up to peruse and decipher at your leisure.
Copperminds can be awakened in the latest era of the Cosmere. Additionally, I met Brandon at dragonsteel last year, Nicrosil is easy S tier as the unkeyed Nicrosil Metalminds can store Stormlight without decay.
@@MrExistien they don't, at least for now. They wouldn't have to go to such lengths if they did. Also Ghostbloods are really like a plothole. Kell can't even be a worldjumper (because You need investiture for that, and he can't use it, without an artificial source), so how the hell did he recruit outstanding units from other worlds? Nothing to say about the fact, that they barely can do their job on Scadrial properly, and yet they are "the most powerful organization in Cosmere"?
Duralumin is easily S tier, being able to make people like you or dont even notice you is super usefull. BTW, who else thinks "Connector" is too bland and straightforward name for such awsome ability?
I would go so far to suggest that, given it states “Spiritual Connection” in the arcanum, Duralumin could even let you temporarily speak other languages like Bondsmiths can.
@@coronin8587 this is more than just speculation, considering fact that this is exactly power Duralumin Medalions have, and they are often more limited than Metalborn. I think Connector (we need better name) can achive much more. And Duralumin Compounder should be sort of poor man's bondsmith. Without bond.
I definitely feel like Pewter and Steel should both be S tier easily. They have the most OP effects when tapping by far, especially Steel. Filling them also isn't really a problem. Think about how often you are just relaxing at your PC or watching tv or sitting in a car/public transit. Speed is definitely more of a hassle than strength but even it isn't terrible. You probably wouldn't even notice moving at say 95% speed most of the time. And you could honestly probably go like 10% strength when you are just relaxing.
Since in the cosmere fortune is connected to future sight, would tapping a chromium mind while burning electrum create more accurate electrum shadows or just creat shadows with more fortunate outcomes?
Maybe Cultivation made a big Zinc mind of Taravangian. That could explain why he is sometimes stupid and sometimes smart (he just stores his mental speed). I am of course 100% serious
I'm pretty sure chromium deserves to be S tier if it functions anything like other feruchemical abilities. Like, Sanderson would really have to bend over backwards to make the ability to decide how lucky you are at any given moment bad. And I know, having to spend time unlucky sounds like a huge drawback, but you have to think of it in terms of stakes: spend all day losing at poker only turn around and make all your money back with one crazy roulette bet and then you can pocket the exess fortune for when yoy actually need it. You also have to remember that feruchemical abilities can stack (compress? I wanna say compound but that means something very different) that is to say: you can store two hours of an attribute and then expend that attribute at double the rate for one hour, I don't think I need to outline why a couple hours of being mildly unlucky in order to be absurdly lucky for a couple of minutes is a completely worthwile trade. Extend this logic with a practice like Wax's constantly storing weight, but with luck, and sure you might stub your toe and get ran into on the street all the time, but you'll always have luck on your side when you really need it. Yes we haven't seen it in universe, so this is all speculative, but I habe a hard time believing Chromium isn't incredibly broken.
A couple of interesting details about feruchemy. First, there's reason to suspect that the effects of electrum and brass were swapped by mistake, as determination feels more like a cognitive effect and warmth fits better alongside the attributes of health, breath, and energy. Second, there was apparent confirmation that the feruchemy symbols for chromium and nicrosil were swapped.
I think you're giving bendalloy too much credit, it can help you slim down and that's about it. I'd put it in B to help hefty ferrings slim down but that's pretty much it. I'd slip bronze down to A. It's nice that you can basically pick when to fall asleep like a switch and when to stay alert, but unlike how you can 'cheat' a brassmind by storing in a sauna, you can never really get more sleep than you would otherwise get without compounding. Like short jaunts if you're on a bus or train or someone else is driving. You can even store strength any time you're not actually using your muscles, but you really can't store brass unless you can be out of it. Aluminum you are selling WAY short. It might not be that useful in everyday life, but there's reason to suspect that if you, for example, met an Awakener, you could store all of your own Identity, touch a rope they had Awakened, and grab the Breath right out of it. Or maybe even steal their Breath! Aluminum might be incredibly useful. Not guaranteed, but I think it deserves more than D. I'd say you put iron a little too high. it's true that the downside isn't very down, but like, really, how often is it useful to weigh more or less? Outside of being a coinshot? Minor, pedantic point. Marsh didn't have feruchemical speed when he took out the Inquisitors. The most feruchemy they had was gold.
Electrum is literally just having bipolar disorder, this is something that people need to get serious treatment for. Electrum just gives the power of mental instability
4:08 Aluminum feruchemy, in the absence of the other Metallic Arts, could be bargain-bin emotion control. Store Identity to make people forget about you, tap Identity to make people pay attention. That's speculation, though.
@@ExploringTheCosmere You couldn't because everyone would see You getting suddenly buffed. You could never appear in public without tapping into strength reserves.
For me, tin, pewter, iron, steel and copper are s tier. Bronze and bendalloy are A-high B tier. I agree with the rest. Those five metals have no downside when storing, in fact can be as useful as tapping. Except iron and pewter, but they are so easy to store while sleeping or chilling that I wouldn't care
@@eleishar18 oh damn, I assumed you could with every metal since you can do it with wakefullness. Still, I think they are S tier. For example right now I'm sitting in my desk studying. I wouldn't mind being 1/10 weaker, slower, seeing, hearing, smelling and tasting worse and being light as a cat. I'm not using those right now. And copper mind could help me for example memorize formulas for my exam, then store them, learn them again, and in case I forget them I have a backup. It'd be OP
If we're looking at these for modern-day applications, I'd place steel and pewter at S-tier, as there are so many cases in modern life where you could be passively storing these to no detriment, and they'd be hugely beneficial to have in reserve. Iron is B-tier imo. Yeah, there's no real drawback to storing it, but there's no massive gain to tapping it either outside of niche uses. It's the definition of mid. Copper should be high A-tier or S-tier. Yeah general knowledge is easily accessible now, but personal information isn't always, and it would be a massive aid for students (I don't see it as cheating in an exam setting if it's literally your own memories you're accessing). Besides, imagine the benefits if a doctor can have entire volumes of medical textbooks or academic journals deposited into their brain in a moment or chefs with recipes that can be recalled in an instant. There are so many uses in professional and personal settings, where having instant access to information deposited straight into your brain is insanely useful
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@@Fishie77 The problem with a Twinborn tier list is that there are 256 possible Twinborn combinations 😅 Maybe I could rank a subset of those possibilities
Twinborn Tier List would be insane but fun lol could probably turn that into a whole video series in its own right lol. Absolutely Compounding Tier list next because I have thoughts and I wonder on how we differ lol. First change I would make is Chromium is S Tier by your own definition used for Copper. Money is a MASSIVE deal and for some people the most massive. Being able to increase your luck and win nearly guaranteed money from a Casino or a Card Room? Easy S Tier for me. Iron is also an S for me but I understand the A rating. Steel is A for me as well but for a different reason. The drawback of Steel is that it doesn’t increase wind resistance or decrease friction so you have an upper limit to the speed you can run without setting yourself on fire or burning you skin off lol. That upper limit drawback puts it in A.
@@ExploringTheCosmere Compounding next, and next twinborn non-compounders!
Feruchemy is OP. Especially since sometimes, when plot demands, you can burn up years worth of stored attributes in a few moments.
I think iron easily belongs in S tier. You said yourself it has no real drawbacks. The applications for making yourself lighter or heavier on demand are basically endless, and it synergizes very well with most of the other physical powers
That's a good point! I think I would bump it up to S if I redid the ranking. I'm imagining all the impressive calisthenic feats one could pull off when actively storing weight lol
For copper I would use it to read/watch things I love as if it were the first time. Could also just forget spoilers that come my way, the power to forget but not lose a memory seems really useful in ordinary life.
That's honestly a really good use for it that I never considered
@@ExploringTheCosmere imagine getting to read an amazing series, over and over, yet having an encyclopedic memory of it whenever you want
In the modern world, Zinc would be S tier. Pass any exam/test, solve any puzzle , be super smart and witty in social/work situations, and be able to react with super fine reflexes in sports or combat.
The filling process isn't that big a deal, people literally slow their brains down for fun with alcohol or pot all the time.
idt u can pass tests tho. that requires memory most of the time
Sorry but I can't look at our internet- plagued by paywalls, link rot, server failures, and a world where entire generations of books and films are on media that rotted before they could be stored on something more durable, and say that Copper isn't useful. I think when we see Era 3, unkeyed copperminds are going to be one of the key forms of data storage. Not to mention you don't have to understand what you're seeing to store it in a coppermind. You can skim things at speed, store them then open them up to peruse and decipher at your leisure.
I would store my sense of taste whenever I’m not eating so i can enjoy good food better with each meal with no downsides. Tin for the win!
Copperminds can be awakened in the latest era of the Cosmere. Additionally, I met Brandon at dragonsteel last year, Nicrosil is easy S tier as the unkeyed Nicrosil Metalminds can store Stormlight without decay.
Oh for sure, if you have access to more magic systems than just Nicrosil Feruchemy then it is a definite S tier
Nicrosil minds can do that????? Do the ghostbloods know???
@@raku8349 Aside from Hoid they are the most likely to have figured that out.
@@MrExistien they don't, at least for now. They wouldn't have to go to such lengths if they did.
Also Ghostbloods are really like a plothole. Kell can't even be a worldjumper (because You need investiture for that, and he can't use it, without an artificial source), so how the hell did he recruit outstanding units from other worlds? Nothing to say about the fact, that they barely can do their job on Scadrial properly, and yet they are "the most powerful organization in Cosmere"?
@@eleishar18as I understand it Stormlight takes place after era 2 of Mistborn. I feel it'll be more properly explained as we get into era 3
Duralumin is easily S tier, being able to make people like you or dont even notice you is super usefull. BTW, who else thinks "Connector" is too bland and straightforward name for such awsome ability?
I would definitely be storing my connection anytime I went shopping to avoid small talk 😅
I would go so far to suggest that, given it states “Spiritual Connection” in the arcanum, Duralumin could even let you temporarily speak other languages like Bondsmiths can.
@@coronin8587 this is more than just speculation, considering fact that this is exactly power Duralumin Medalions have, and they are often more limited than Metalborn. I think Connector (we need better name) can achive much more. And Duralumin Compounder should be sort of poor man's bondsmith. Without bond.
I definitely feel like Pewter and Steel should both be S tier easily. They have the most OP effects when tapping by far, especially Steel. Filling them also isn't really a problem. Think about how often you are just relaxing at your PC or watching tv or sitting in a car/public transit. Speed is definitely more of a hassle than strength but even it isn't terrible. You probably wouldn't even notice moving at say 95% speed most of the time. And you could honestly probably go like 10% strength when you are just relaxing.
Since in the cosmere fortune is connected to future sight, would tapping a chromium mind while burning electrum create more accurate electrum shadows or just creat shadows with more fortunate outcomes?
That's a great question! I'm hoping we will see a lot more Twinborn combos in future Mistborn eras
For copper
Broo as a student who just needs to do well in exams I would sooo use this. It's defo S for me.
Cool video btw ❤
Maybe Cultivation made a big Zinc mind of Taravangian. That could explain why he is sometimes stupid and sometimes smart (he just stores his mental speed).
I am of course 100% serious
Love it 😂
I'm pretty sure chromium deserves to be S tier if it functions anything like other feruchemical abilities. Like, Sanderson would really have to bend over backwards to make the ability to decide how lucky you are at any given moment bad. And I know, having to spend time unlucky sounds like a huge drawback, but you have to think of it in terms of stakes: spend all day losing at poker only turn around and make all your money back with one crazy roulette bet and then you can pocket the exess fortune for when yoy actually need it. You also have to remember that feruchemical abilities can stack (compress? I wanna say compound but that means something very different) that is to say: you can store two hours of an attribute and then expend that attribute at double the rate for one hour, I don't think I need to outline why a couple hours of being mildly unlucky in order to be absurdly lucky for a couple of minutes is a completely worthwile trade. Extend this logic with a practice like Wax's constantly storing weight, but with luck, and sure you might stub your toe and get ran into on the street all the time, but you'll always have luck on your side when you really need it. Yes we haven't seen it in universe, so this is all speculative, but I habe a hard time believing Chromium isn't incredibly broken.
He was *not* cooking with this one
A couple of interesting details about feruchemy. First, there's reason to suspect that the effects of electrum and brass were swapped by mistake, as determination feels more like a cognitive effect and warmth fits better alongside the attributes of health, breath, and energy.
Second, there was apparent confirmation that the feruchemy symbols for chromium and nicrosil were swapped.
I had never thought about electrum and brass being swapped, but that would make a lot more sense!
I think you're giving bendalloy too much credit, it can help you slim down and that's about it. I'd put it in B to help hefty ferrings slim down but that's pretty much it.
I'd slip bronze down to A. It's nice that you can basically pick when to fall asleep like a switch and when to stay alert, but unlike how you can 'cheat' a brassmind by storing in a sauna, you can never really get more sleep than you would otherwise get without compounding. Like short jaunts if you're on a bus or train or someone else is driving. You can even store strength any time you're not actually using your muscles, but you really can't store brass unless you can be out of it.
Aluminum you are selling WAY short. It might not be that useful in everyday life, but there's reason to suspect that if you, for example, met an Awakener, you could store all of your own Identity, touch a rope they had Awakened, and grab the Breath right out of it. Or maybe even steal their Breath! Aluminum might be incredibly useful. Not guaranteed, but I think it deserves more than D.
I'd say you put iron a little too high. it's true that the downside isn't very down, but like, really, how often is it useful to weigh more or less? Outside of being a coinshot?
Minor, pedantic point. Marsh didn't have feruchemical speed when he took out the Inquisitors. The most feruchemy they had was gold.
Electrum is literally just having bipolar disorder, this is something that people need to get serious treatment for. Electrum just gives the power of mental instability
Wild how low you put zinc, that’s basically the ability to become a super genius at will. Hypercognition.
4:08 Aluminum feruchemy, in the absence of the other Metallic Arts, could be bargain-bin emotion control. Store Identity to make people forget about you, tap Identity to make people pay attention. That's speculation, though.
We look at modern times right? Then pewter is easy, unless you have a taxing physical work to do.
You can also go on sick leave to store health :D
It just occurred to me that using pewter to become a pro athlete might be pretty great lol you could get rich from it
@@ExploringTheCosmere You couldn't because everyone would see You getting suddenly buffed. You could never appear in public without tapping into strength reserves.
@@eleishar18 do you know 'My Hero Academia'? Made me think of a certain character, never thought about it that way.
@@darkrad7535 I know, and I know which character You think about. The one with Muscle Growth quirk.
@@eleishar18 actually I though of All-Might haha, but yeah this guy too
For me, tin, pewter, iron, steel and copper are s tier. Bronze and bendalloy are A-high B tier. I agree with the rest. Those five metals have no downside when storing, in fact can be as useful as tapping. Except iron and pewter, but they are so easy to store while sleeping or chilling that I wouldn't care
If my memory serves me right, storing attribute in metalmind needs to be done consciously, so beside storing a wakefullness, others wouldn't work.
@@eleishar18 oh damn, I assumed you could with every metal since you can do it with wakefullness. Still, I think they are S tier. For example right now I'm sitting in my desk studying. I wouldn't mind being 1/10 weaker, slower, seeing, hearing, smelling and tasting worse and being light as a cat. I'm not using those right now. And copper mind could help me for example memorize formulas for my exam, then store them, learn them again, and in case I forget them I have a backup. It'd be OP
If we're looking at these for modern-day applications, I'd place steel and pewter at S-tier, as there are so many cases in modern life where you could be passively storing these to no detriment, and they'd be hugely beneficial to have in reserve.
Iron is B-tier imo. Yeah, there's no real drawback to storing it, but there's no massive gain to tapping it either outside of niche uses. It's the definition of mid.
Copper should be high A-tier or S-tier. Yeah general knowledge is easily accessible now, but personal information isn't always, and it would be a massive aid for students (I don't see it as cheating in an exam setting if it's literally your own memories you're accessing). Besides, imagine the benefits if a doctor can have entire volumes of medical textbooks or academic journals deposited into their brain in a moment or chefs with recipes that can be recalled in an instant. There are so many uses in professional and personal settings, where having instant access to information deposited straight into your brain is insanely useful