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First Drive in The G80 M3 (Purple Pig Nose)
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- Опубликовано: 2 янв 2023
- First drive in the G80 M3 Jahre. My thoughts about this thing. One thing I have to say, its brutally fast. Should I keep it or sell it? Let me know.
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Maybe you should force yourself to feel disconnected from the G80 and not think of it as one of your keepers, but think of it as the Helen property car. A 4-door sedan would probably rent well when families are staying at Destination OG. Plus if the plan is to still have an RS as a second rental car, keep the 911 as your coupe mountain carver. It's hard to beat G80 performance and practicality for the price.
Completely agree. We've seen the anxiety Matt faces when returning to Helen after rentals - in addition to this being a perfect easy car for borrowers of Destination OG to use, not having something Matt is super attached to would be much healthier given the expected wear it will receive. With a GT4 RS up there he'll never want to lend it out
@@SpeedStrat +1 Agree
@Mark C yup, agreed. Matt should approach this car and build from a new perspective: the OG Renter. There might be people who want an "easy" rental and have the experience of the OG "specness" of the mods. If the plan is still to overturn/replace these cars after X amount of time, I think the current G80 would be a safe trial run.
For sure. The original plan was for it to always be a Helen car, not a keeper. This would rent a lot better than a Cayman, especially if people are bringing their families, which I am sure is the case for the majority of "borrowers". Its just more practical for people a wider range of people.
Agree. A good family hauler. And if Matt isn’t going to be driving it then no real need to love it. The one concern I would have is the power. There are a lot of people out there that think they can drive. I’d hate to see someone get hurt if there not that proficient on how to handle the car.
Any car dialed-in by Matty is a gem of a car to buy.
As several others have pointed out, this car is going to be the "borrow my car for money" car at the Helen house, not one you intend to drive or keep for yourself at home. Probably a lot of families/groups there, so the 4-door makes sense and would probably rent well. And being that it's not a car you're high on and not really connected to (your feelings at the end pointed to that at least) it won't crush you as much if something were to happen to it.
While true, the Helen house and everything they have done to it is a representation of Matt and OG. As he always said he buys and does the things he wants and he believes that what his customer want. Having a car, even a rental, that Matt doesn’t like goes against business model. The full OG Destination experience means being able to rent a car that is OG approved. The G80 doesn’t fit the mold.
Bingo
@@svm3jt And yet - coffee machines
It's funny at the end of the first drive he's talking about selling it
Haven’t seen Matt this down about a car since his F80 days…Let’s be honest owning a GT3 makes everything feel numb that’s the problem. 😢
Keep the car as originally planned. A perfect “rental” car for families who will be staying at destination OG. easy learning curve (not everyone can drive Manual or drive it well enough to handle something like a 911 GT3 RS). Plus, you can have the peace of mind of renting out something you’re not sentimental about
Love to see you out driving and enjoying driving Matt!
I’d certainly be more interested to drive a 718 Cayman if i was staying at the Helen house than this g80
Same.
I’m probably missing some here, but this sounds like the perfect scenario. Any car I was going to rent to strangers should be one I have no desire to drive or connect with. Invariably, someone will take that thing somewhere you won’t like. If you love the car that will crush you on some level. Way better not to care.
Unfortunately haven't watched OG in a while so I'm a little confused. What do you mean by renting?
@@0scarHam Matt bought it to keep at destination OG. He will let people who rent the house pay more and rent the car too.
@@tjautocross Cool! Thanks for the rundown!
If you aren’t in love with it, it’s the perfect rental vehicle to leave somewhere far away to make money from and not be emotionally attached to it.
That way when damage happens, it’s just a car to you and you won’t have to agonize over it.
In other words; it’s part of your cattle herd for profit rather than a family pet that you love.
What’s the issue Matty? Front end or just the overall package? If you don’t like it, sell it - trust your gut and get something for Helen that you will enjoy taking out for a drive. Remember, Helen isn’t an Airbnb, it’s your house that you’re letting people borrow…. So everything in there should be something you love.
Well said. I wanted the whole Performance Center effect that I was certain could sway me into liking it for what I chose it to do.
I had a 22 G82 Competition and had the same experience as you Matt.
Sold it and got the base G82 M4 with 6Spd and RWD, no added tech option and all carbon fiber options and could not be happier.
It’s everything the competition was missing for me imo.
Dang, that's good to hear.
I think that's the problem with where BMW is going, the sportiest model is the one without a manual.
I own an g82
M4 and I find myself WANTING to drive it. Its a great car.
For the price, get a slightly janky 991 GT3 with pdk, do a series to refresh just like the 997, and take that up to Helen. I think some may be discouraged that the 4 door M3 won't be an option, but at the end of the day it's your car and you can't possibly please everyone 🤷♂
Dahler Tuning Module, BMC Drop ins + Secondary Charcoal Removal, High Flow Catted Downpipes, Midpipe & and a few gallons of 93 + 260GT + E85 = (98octane+E25/E30) and your pushing around 650WHP & 585lbs. Thats 10.4 - 10.6 second 1/4 mile with quality tires(needed if you lost the tire lottery and get the Pirellis).
I own a G80CXD Skyscraper, and I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT! I love it more after every time I drive it. That level of performance & practicality have never been offered before in a single platform. No, its not a pure drivers car, but damn does it do a lot of things very well. Its versatility & functionality are impressive. It goes from Housewife to Stripper with just a push of a button. I can have both kiddos comfortably in their backseats & groceries in the spacious trunk, once I unload them, the next minute I can be gapping C8 Vettes in stock form, and C8Z06's in its present form. BMW did an amazing job with their XDrive & launch control system, to still have that RWD feel, the tail is still playful, and you can switch it in RWD mode if you want. For someone who has 4 seasons, its the ultimate sports car for us Dads.
Most large purchases in life, most of the time you'll have a feeling of buyers remorse afterwards, but I never had that with this car. Being the work that you have done to the car, most of which we all want to do within the first 6 months of ownership, I dont think youll have a problem in selling it. As we are all aware of the quality of work that you do, so I think youll have some serious offers soon. I would purchase another one, specifcally to build out, but Im just not a fan of purple,a dn for my build car, I think Ill choose a G82CXD because it is slightly lighter, and I want to do everything I can to lighten the build out car(Carbon Buckets, Ceramic brakes, etc)....
I WISH..... I PRAY BMW one day soon offers a G87 M2C XDrive version.... I would absolutely purchase that car, being it also has the S58 engine, which is a freaking modern marvel.
All cars are not for all people, we all have different tastes & preferences... Great thing about living in a Capitalist society is we get enough options to match our preferences. Good to know though whoever is lucky enough to buy that from you, will receive a great car with tasteful mods & quality protections in place.
No matter what Matt if you do not feel that special emotion that good fit. Move on its not worth your energy your expertise . Mainly its not worth your valuable time. Put your time and energy into things that you really get off on. D o not worry about others comments of opinions . When you move forward you will always be more enthusiastic and more committed,. Happy New Year 2023 Gary
Facts!
A Boxster GTS (PDK) in Helen would be epic. Imagine dropping the top and listening to the howl of the flat 6 (with an OG spec exhaust) on some of those mountain roads. It doesn't get much better than that.
I agree Matty that courtesy rev was terrible. Always thought the GT4 was the right car for the mountains. The 45ish 55ish weight distribution really shines. Nothing against the 911 but the Cayman to me feels better in the corners.
“Whoop dee doo”….the perfect summary and way to end the video. The car doesn’t belong at the Helen house because it’s not a car that interest you. Remember, you don’t do average. That includes not having an average car at Destination OG.
I love this car, yes and that PPN, it's MY dream car. I have had some nice cars but nothing near what you've had and driven Matt. When you drove the 997.2 last video, it was easy to tell that you LOVED that car. The major difference other than the obvious is that car is raw and analogue. It is clear you enjoy that feeling more so than the G80, nothing wrong with that what so ever. I say keep it, continue the build and send it to Helen for 6-9 months and see what happens. I think this is what you decided to do based on your IG post.
I get the feeling you took this for a quick spin just to give it a deep clean 🤙
Seeing the first 1:15 of this makes me love my FD so much more. My car has 2 modes; On and Off.
I sold my G80 Competition. . . going from 0 to jail time speeds then braking gets old REALLY FAST. I tried to love the G80C, but after one year I dumped it and moved into a 718 GT4.
Dunno. I’ll be 48 in March. And mines been perfect for 11,080 miles. Love it. It seems like the only cars that make you happy, are rwd N/A high revving. You just can’t get over the face. I love it. It sells like crazy. You just don’t love it. Just like the F82. It went turbo and you weren’t a fan.
The M3 is a great car for people to rent at the Helen house. At the end of the day it’s a holiday home rental car, not part of your personal collection. If four adults want to go out for lunch then a Cayman would be useless. You could always look at a new M2 or M240i which you could just deliver to Helen without spending weeks modifying it. If it’s a rental car then just leave it stock.
Maybe it's those boring roads you're driving on. You have the best color of the best version of one of the one best sport sedans ever made. I don't understand how you're not happy. This car can do it all, be comfortable, be fast, carry people and you can do it in any weather. Enjoy it for what it is.
It’s too digital, no visceral feel to it. Same roads he drives all his other cars on. The car “doing it all” on paper isn’t what evokes emotion.
He literally just explained why he’s not happy.
If I had this on a mountain road all I would be thinking about was how much better that road would be in a Porsche.
Your end emotions sum up this car. As fast as it is, it does not evoke that same thrill or emotion like your E92 or the 997 GT3 RS. It’s part of the process. On to the next car.
I don't think I've ever seen you this bored with a car. lol
Ikr….BMW is pissed! Lol. I freaking love it. An honest review.
What's with the "cheezy" flying buttress holding up the info screen? That's the best the designers could do?
Make an OG metal badge with your signature like a numbered car and you can sell it for at lease break even.
Great idea 💡
I’d sell it too. Even though the g80 will out perform the cayman in every way, the cayman will be more fun to drive especially in the mountains. I think a used 991 gt3 pdk would be the one to get for Helen.
If the Alpina B3 was available in the US you might be interested in it as it does not have the pig nose but the same engine as the M3.
If youre worried about the rental/Helen aspect needing 4 doors, you could do a Macan S. Or a RS3.
Matt, you need to drive a CT4 V Blackwing (or CT5 BW). I think you would love the manual and suspension - Caddy did something awesome with these cars, and fit and finish is much better than you'd think.
He’d punt that quicker than he punted the Corvette.
Idk how he would feel about them, every review says they are great
I’d sell it. You can get a gts 4.0 for the same money or even a gt4 for $125k. That’d be a much better mountain car. You know with the M3 people are going to use that as their daily up in Helen, take it to the grocery store, trash the interior, curb the wheels ect.
You may not love it but I think that is a great reason to have it at the Helen house you won't think of it as much.
Get a MHD stage 2 tune with XHP TCU flash tune. Downshifts and upshifts become insane.. guaranteed once you get a proper exhaust on there you will love it. I admit it is underwhelming in stock form.
love the g80 and everything about it. i like that it doesnt attract old heads so theyre not going out and buying it. Cant wait to get myself one.
Is it possible that you are overwhelmed with all the cars arriving at the same time that is making you second guess it as well?
Why not complete the project and stick with your original plan to leave it at Helen. You won’t see it or drive it that often anyway. Use it for what it is a car to get you and from when in Helen.
Matt, I have an 2021 M340. I get your drift, and my car is not an M3, partly because of my use case. ~65% of the miles I put on it are road trip miles. It makes a great road car. I asked my wife what car she wanted to go on a 500 mile road trip and guess what she choose? The M340 is incredibly fast but it’s emotionless. The steering meh. I have driven the The full M version. IMO, it makes it say GTI or Golf R like in terms of feedback and emotions in my opinion. Keep it stock and make it your Helena car.
I'm still enjoying my 50 Jahre M3 Comp. Sorry you're thinking of getting rid of yours. I enjoy driving it more than my M5 Comp. Once it's broken in I may tune it like you recommended.
Matt, you really should take it to Helen and really get the feel of the car in the hills. When I lived in Colorado, the bimmers performed amazing in the mountains. I feel they were meant for that kind of driving. Now I’m in Florida and it is not even remotely the same experience. Just a thought before moving onto something else.
I quit watching this 1/4 of the way through. I watched the 997 RS video to the end and wanted more. I feel the same way about the two cars.
I would definitely get rid of it. I would get an F80 CS if I were you for the Helen house - it still looks amazing, provides a much more raw and engaging driving experience, the sound can be improved with new exhaust options. I still love mine and have no intention of getting G80. BTW the G8x forums wanted to ban you as they can't deal with any criticism of the Pig Nose.
I dislike the F80 much more than this car. I’d rather have this.
Lol. This is sadly funny. Now this car I can afford. However, I own a 95M, E92M, GT350 and a 996 Turbo. I test drove one of the new M cars hoping it would tide over my GT3 desires. But, my entire face was like yours…SAD. The salesman kept saying it’s fast, it’s fast. But, it has ZERO soul. It’s a fast couch. I mean a Tesla is fast, but so what. Some of us want a more visceral experience.
I can’t stop laughing at this video. Most kids on the internet are screaming and smiling when driving a G80, meanwhile Matt looks like someone has him at gun point. Lmao!!
I’m surprised there’s no aftermarket alternative grill to totally deface that pigs nose and make it look good whilst not restricting air intake
Sell it for sure. Why would you want 600 HP to drive in the Mountains? New M2 or Cayman GTS 4.0 is a better fit for you.
M2 is a great suggestion. Would be cool to have a mid/higher-end car + say a Miata for the mountain house.
Matt, I think you should try out the new Toyota GR 86 if you really want a true enthusiast driver car, it would probably be. Perfect fit for you. It’s not a five hundred horsepower monster or a two hundred thousand dollar car that you will never take to a track. But you can modify and enjoy on the back roads without going to jail.
Keep it at Hellen. It makes sense, like I'm not going to rent the house for a week and drive 2 days from south Texas with my wife and kids to stay in the house and have nothing to drive... I'm not there yet financially but if I were I would want to fly there and take an Uber to the house and then have a car to drive the mountains you know?
I say sell it for the cayman pdk
Like they always say If you don't find yourself always looking back at your car when you get out, you bought the wrong car.
What about an F80? I think 4 seats is pretty important for the Helen "borrow for money" car. At least it is for me. The F80 is an OG proven platform.
He hated that car.
@@joetacchino4470 No, he hated the exhaust, which can now be fixed with the equal length mid pipe that wasn't available when he had his. Since then, he has said multiple times that it's the best M3 ever.
Matt here is my advice, its a rental car for ur rental property, you don't have to be in love with it dynamically...you have other cars for that. Its a reliable, safe, 4 door monster that people will love to drive up in helen specially when they need back seats for their family. You are overthinking it.
Absolutely love mine, but I feel everything sport plus bar the steering which I leave in comfort, but I'll be trading into a M2 later this year. But I still prefer my ford GT modular 5.4 V8 32v quad cam it's old school man, dumb as and no tech. Love it
It doesn’t put a smile on your face like the RS does
Glad you like it!
Are you running an e85 blend? If not, I dont believe the Dahler piggyback is yielding 6XXhp to the wheels. I think the more accurate statement is you have 605hp to the crank.
I think with these cars expectations are very very very important. The M3 isn’t the E46 or the E92 it’s a digital E39 M5 with a twin turbo straight 6. It’s a great car but it’s not the crazy sports car in a suit it used to be it’s a daily that happens to be very fast and can take a corner. Even less involved when you get the xdrive
I’m not sure why anyone would cross shop a 4 door sedan with a sports car. At the end of the day, the M3 is an amazing performing car, with daily driving refinement and practicality. If you don’t need back seats and good trunk space, of course a more raw, performance driven sports car is a more inspiring car to drive. I currently own an xdrive g80 m3, and previously owned an Alfa Guilia quadrifoglio, both amazing cars for their intended purpose. The dual personalities you can achieve with these modern sports sedans make them a great candidate for an only car as a car enthusiast. The ability to drop the kids off at school, pick up groceries for a household, and have an enjoyable smooth commute on the highway, loaded with creature comfort features and refinement, yet when you’re in the mood for more spirited or track driving, simply hit your M modes to transform the car. Let’s just enjoy these cars while we can before manufactures are forced to make completely emotionless electrics, with true artificial sound.
See this is where we differ. You can’t transform a car with different digital settings. That’s why I hate exhaust valves and suspension modes. There is a correct setting that covers all driving.
Matt just made me feel better that he is not feeling this car. I loved my F80 but this G80 is never going to work for me, big ugly car does not check the box.
It would be a great Helen car. I’m a huge fan of it anyways. I’d take it up there, try it out, and see how it goes before selling.
Sell it. Get something for the Helen house that YOU would love just as much as the people renting it. Maybe an M5 comp, RS5 or even a Macan GTS? Quick, fun, still fits multiple people (and their stuff).
He doesn’t want it a people hauler Wants to be for 1-2 people driving the mountains.
I was hoping Matt would like the G80 overall even if he still hates the front, and it did make him smile a few times on this drive (even if he's reluctant to admit it). Unfortunately, the G80 was never going to get a fair shake because 1. The Jahre package is not how Matt would've spec'd one and 2. Having it arrive around the same time as the ultimate passion project GT3 RS knocked it almost below underdog status.
Seems like this would be the ideal giveaway car.
Can you elaborate on the feel of this M3 vs your Porsche GT3? I realize the GT3 would be in another category but would love to hear your thoughts on why Porsche is that "next level up" even above the best of what BMW M brings out.
FYI... Jahre is just the German word for 'years', not the name of the model of the car. The car is marking '50 Jahre'.
Why did you not buy the manual? Although I know this version does not come in the manual.
I was really looking forward to this build.
I feel like if this was back in the start of OG and it was just this and a lower Porsche you might be happier but you are in the position to have much nicer. Nothing wrong with that. It sounds like you know it's a great car but when you can have multiple RS cars and older BMWs then this isn't really your bag. I personally really like a lot about it and am looking forward to owning one one day and will follow a lot of what your plans are for it. I think Porsche has spoiled you.. lol
Never drive a car aggressive or rev it high until you pass the break-in miles and do an oil change, bmw recommends this for the G80
My neighbor got green its beautiful
Leave it stock and send it to destination OG. Great car for family’s with the rear seating and trunk space. It’s a destination OG hire car that’s what I think. You’ve got other cars to make yours and enjoy on road.
I’m not interested in families using this. It would be for a driving experience, not trips hiking.
I know you have progressed in your car journey and Honda maybe beneath you at this point but the new 2023 Civic Type R probably provides a much more of a connected driving experience for 1/2 the price. Think about it Matt, Mark from Savagegeese would probably approve.
Don’t be afraid to be a Honda bro go back to your roots 🤓
I can honestly say I knew you weren't feeling the G80 I never saw any excitement from you about it since you got it.
Piglet is not touching your soul Matt, time to move on.
I don’t complain this much about my 2016 Honda CRV. 😂
Damn OG didn't think it was possible to be so depressed while talking about/driving a 600 HP car. Must be nice.
always worried about operating temp lol.
OMGawd the funniest part of the entire vid is from 4.14 - 4.18..."I'm thinking about selling it"
There’s a big difference between a car being just fast and providing an overall performance/experience in my opinion. Beautiful car, I agree ugly ugly nose, and I’m sure it’s fast but it’s not exciting at all - At least to me. I think when you are comparing it to the 997 GT3, there is no comparison. Porsche knows the formula of how to make a true performance car. Sound plays a large role of that performance too. I’m not saying BMW can’t build good cars, but I don’t think this car is that exciting. With that said, it could be an excellent car to keep at Helen for families to borrow but a Cayman GTS 4.0 or GT4 is much more fun and engaging in my opinion.
After 7 years pairing my 981 GT4 with an E46 m3 , it’s time for me to drop the E46 m3 and move into a 2019-2021 M2 competition, if I was in the market willing to pay around 90-100K no doubt I’d go for the M2 CS , Chris harris is almost never wrong….lol
M2C is a great car. Can't believe the F87 and G80 are only 1 year apart....they seem to have ZERO relation.
“Really great, digital, family experience” “I see why people love the car, I just don’t” Matt you said it yourself. Yes you own this car and you feel the need for it to be perfect for you. Yet the whole idea of this car is for your rental tenets to enjoy it where they don’t own this experience at home. A cayman gts or any coupe for that matter would absolutely ruin the purpose of the cars destiny.
Car is neat but not something i would want in the mountains. Maybe on my drive from michigan to helen. But my s2000 or a cayman would be much better suited for the mountain roads. Or another lightweight engaging toy
If Your Going To Sell It We Would Definitely Love To See A CT5 V Blackwing On The Channel get the blackwing
I mean its a “rental”, most people will love it.
No it isn’t. It’s my car. I may let some people use it.
Hmm, yeah, I’ve seen a few up here in person, I was on the fence, then I saw it, phew, uuugly.
Sell this one and keep the gt3 for Helen?
That will allow you to refocus on the e36 give away.
Love the driving videos but man where all the corners at!? 😅
what about sport interior lighting, comfort centre armrest position, sport seatbelt firmness?
Funny watching Phil who absolutely loves the car 😂
He bought the wrong version of the car which is clear as day, he showed so much enthusiasm driving the manual M3 modified last year. Im driving mine daily and its fun for the time being, will i keep it long term doubt it but for now it made sense to unload my broken unsafe Alfa to get something on the spot with no wait time,
"I think I'm gonna sell it." & revs car "meh" This stuff had me rolling, thank you! 😅
In all seriousness, what about an E30 or 993 build in the future? What other cars are on the list?
It’s not for you. It’s for the renters. Remember that. Also, would it be a mistake to rent out 600hp vehicle? Are your renters capable of controlling that?
Boy. What Tough car decisions you have.
Heeeere weeee goooooo oink oink
Hahaha 😂
these are my favorite video but why is the quality so low every time :(
I think it's the perfect car for Helen ... I wouldn't want to be in love with the car I was loaning out to people anyway. But I get not loving it. I can't get excited with any BMW M products anymore sadly. It's what led me to Porsche GT cars. They still get it. BMW M doesn't ....
You got the 997.2 RS virus ;) Hope you wont be disappointed by the GT3 Touring. BMW is a grat car for sure but feels like a step backwards. In terms of projects Deman Motorsport 4.5L Boxter Spider would be my pick
no one would be dissatisfied with a gt3
@@mred1341 great car agree, but 997 gt rs is special too - more analog. Great problems to have for sure!
@@atom999 read my comment, I’m 125% in favor of the gt3
Beautiful car Matt
Only Matt would only drive this car 5 times and sell it. Hahaha.
Yikes. Sell already? For sticker? The Federal Reserve is probably watching this thinking, if he sells its for sticker, we're hiking rates to 10% this year.
did he go to the market?