When you consider $300-500 for an illegal knockoff compared to $2500-3500 for a Millican, you get what you pay for. You can't expect a Lamborghini on a Yugo budget.
@bergblog4582 Nawaz makes great belts. Don't let this experience ruin it for you. I have plenty of great high-quality belts from Nawaz, Fandu, and Fight-Nite. WWE shop were the ones that had to catch up to them.
If you’re gonna mention how crappy the belt is, it would be wise to call out the maker. Helps out others that are new in the hobby. Failing to mention a maker and then lumping all of them in one category is disingenuous at best, especially if your review is intended to educate the masses.
I've been in communication with the maker - he says he us going to make it right and send a new belt. I'm waiting to see if he follows through before posting his name. Either way, I'll post his name in the near future. Didn't lump them all together either. I did mention in the video that some makers have done a good job establishing a good reputation with quality product
If its a cnc etched belt i can see a more premium price how ever my maker has a better quality belt for half the price (this does look like acid etched possibly 4mm). It is a crap shoot but if you are buying for a paki maker you should ALWAYS do your research and check photos and get recommendations from pple who have delt with that maker. My guy is great with quality and price
I actually just received my first bootleg a week ago from a Pakistan maker - I did a lot of maker comparison research first to make sure I was getting the level of quality I was happy with… Even with a few minor imperfections, I couldn’t fault it at all - Altair Belts knocked it out of the park!
Yeah - holding off on that for the time being since he said he would send me a new belt for free to make up of this poor quality belt. If he does, I will review that belt as well. Either way, I will be posting his name in the near future, either to praise him for making it right, or to let people know who not to order from
Sorry to hear that you were overcharged for this belts. Looks like a $200 belt from Ebay. It would be much appreciated if you told us who you got it from so we won't make the same mistake.
The belt came from JS Belt. I should add that since I talked to him about this belt and expressed my dissatisfaction, he made me a new one that was WAY better. I've since ordered 2 other belts from him (Reviewed on this channel) that were really really good!
The truth is you pay for what you get. You’re over generalizing the term “Pakistan Bootleg.” Not all makers produce a sub par belt like this. I’ve dealt with Classic Shields several times now and have only received quality. They are comparable and even better in some instances to Reggie or Milican and they are from Pakistan. Good video just over generalized a bit in my opinion.
I bought my Smoking Skull belt for less than $200 from possibly the same Pakistani maker. You'll never see me complain, I'll definitely go back to the seller. I can always put the plates on a genuine leather belt lol
I don't disagree. In fact, I even say in the video that I'm satisfied with the belt. What I wasn't satisfied with was the sales pitch and description of the belt given to me by the maker versus what I actually received.
I bought one as well but mine was more of the 94 era and it was when I got mine one of the side plates were bent and but i myself knew that your running that risk of that coming from their. But just like you that belt is what made me a fan and want collet belts as well. Love that old school look. Wish they would have taken more pride into their work. It looked like they went so far one day and came back the next and didn’t even check it over. Still a nice belt
I have to admit, there are certain replica belts that I don’t mind seeing with a few flaws. To me, those flaws makes the belts appear “Ring Used.” This belt certainly fits my liking! The only exceptions I have with this belt are, the sloppy painting around/on the letters and center design. Plus, the red smudges of paint on the leather and, the vinyl backing separating from the leather. The dull and nicked areas on the gold plating, gives the belt character to me (except the hair encased in the plating). But, I do understand a lot of people want a pristine wrestling belt. Especially, since many are expensive.
I agree that certain belts look good when they appear "ring used." I think that is why so many people liked the classic IC after Macho Man used the Brasso on it.
I got an attitude era Big Eagle belt from United Brothers Belts and it's gotten so bad that there's rust on the belt snaps and side plates. It was only 200 AUD, but I still won't get another belt from them again
I saw a few replicas for around $100 online. For that price I wouldn’t be too bothered by some imperfections since I’ve seen others for way more and I would probably just check it out, hold it a bit & put it on the wall. Plus the wrestlers notoriously didn’t take care of the belts and let them get worn.
Fandu belts is considered a bootleg belt maker and their belts are better quality than official wwe. If you showed me the eagle wing duo plated championship belt on the wwe shop and a fandu belt side by side i would have guessed the wwe was the bootleg.
Decent review man. I'd just recommend you specifically call out that particular maker versus summarizing a whole country up based off of his lack thereofs. Speaking from experience with having some Reggie Parks, Dave Millicans, TRB, amongst other established makers, you'd be surprised of the quality I've gotten from an overseas maker (CS) compared to domestic. Just a small bit of advice bud. Take it for what it is.
For serious collectors in this hobby, $550 is a chump change. I'm well aware that serious collectors will spend thousands on custom belts, ring used belts, or rare iterations of belts. But to the average buyer, which encompasses most of those in this hobby, $550 for a belt starts to encroach on "premium" pricing.
Pathetic that it has so many views at that. People wasting money on garbage Shop belts where if you drop just a bit more you get premium show quality. Hell some SD quality belts are better than Shop at pretty much the same price smh.
nobody is arguing that fact... the point of the video was to help people understand that ordering belts from makers such as this is a gamble. @@observer.b_e_l_l_i_s
@syckodaklown moc belts are an absolute scam. You may have had a good experience, but Fahad has stolen and defrauded from so many customers who either never received any belt, or got a completely lower quality than what was advertised. He also lies and string you along before ghosting you.
This is a very poorly made belt from Pakistan. It does not represent bootlegs from Pakistan, as I had a much better experience with the belts I ordered from there. I got a 310$ CNC IC from a maker I trust with. The plating was perfect, the side plates were curved unlike this one, the gold was even and looked real nice on the entire belt, has a champion plate and a gold tip. The leather is real bad here as well. I recommend you to start ordeing belts from GCB, Top Shelf, Nawaz, or Classic Shield. Their belts will change your mind about the Pakistani makers.
M Asad Ali with Greater Custom Belts, Ali Anas with Altair Belts, and Muhammad Nawaz are only makers I would trust unless wanting to go with the big boys of Boots such as Orm or Classic Shields
@@TheBergBlogI use Syed from Arosha Belts. Quality is on par with ORM and CS, but the wait time is much shorter. I also have bought from Abdul Rehman (M Rehman Belts) and he has been excellent to work with.
GCB sold the the worst IC belt. Wavy etching and literal cuts in the top filigree that cut me a few times and terrible leather. Went with someone else to replace it
I remember Macho man Randy Savage vs Ricky the Dragon Steamboat doing battle for that Beautiful belt at WrestleMania 3.. IMHO,I remember that more than Hogan slamming Andre the Giant
I got my bootleg winged eagle for actually a very good price….but the strap is basically almost all off the back now. Nothing hot glue can’t fix….and my leather is THICK…but you do get what you pay for. Lucky for me the gold plating and emamel work is pretty decent. For display- I’m ok with it.
I bought the old WWF triple crown from Pakistan(an IC, 2 tag titles and a winged eagle world) all only 2mm. Imo, they do the same job as the high dollar replicas; sit there and look cool. I had to have that old WWF logo.
You hit the mark here! Not every collector wants (or needs) to have a $1000 replica on fine grain leather, cubic zirconia stones, and 5.5 CNC machined plates. I have several belts that aren't top quality, but they sure look good sitting on a shelf!
@@TheBergBlog exactly man. My thing is figures. Ljns, hasbros, galoobs, njpw hyper heroes and on and on. I don't need a strap as good or BETTER than the pros had.
There are hundreds of 'Pakistan belt makers'. It appears as if you didn't do your research and bought from a not so reputable maker. Check out work from guys like Classic Shields, Orm, Muhammad Nawaz, Ali Anas, Waqas Naseer, Muhammad Asif.
I am aware if the big names and have done all the research. I got this belt after the seller reached out to me and we corresponded for a while before I took the chance
What's crazy is, if anyone had this exact belt 35 years ago, you would've been the man in your neighborhood!! Lol I'm not a belt snob or connoisseur (not that there's anything wrong with that), for me, depending on what the price is, I'm ok with these issues. Idk I just wish I was able to get even a "Pakistani" belt when I was a kid :(
You are totally right. The original Figures Inc. belts that came out in the late 90's were really crappy. But, at the time, it was all we had and they seemed amazing. This belt compared to those is way better. But, but today's standard, this belt is now subpar. Either way, as I said in the video, it is still a satisfactory belt.
I bought the NWA National Heavyweight Wrestling Championship belt from most probably the same guy that supplied you, your WWF Intercontinental belt. Mine was dirty and has imperfections. I got the thinner 2.5mm plates, I was thinking about getting thicher plates on future purchases if I choose to go down that path. A Dave Millican belt or belts would be the ultimate for my collection. I have 3 WWE Shop belts and 1 Pakistan belt.
Muhammad Asif, Nawaz, so many others out there that are good. I’d go with a CNC next time as well. Unless you prefer a nice sd from Orm or Hd which obviously is more cash. Sorry bro. Hope you get some money back for that.
ORM, Classic Shields and Altair make some VERY nice looking belts, but their prices are higher than what I'm willing to pay. I have 2 SD belts ordered from NAWAZ and 2 HD belts ordered from MS Creations. Their quality seems pretty nice for the price. Asif has been awesome with updating me about my belts. Both guys have great reviews. I have a feeling these 2 guys will be my go to belt makers.
I'm waiting for the maker to make this right. He said he will send me a new belt of better quality to make up for this. Before I slam him, I want to give him a chance to fix it.
I own and review mostly from Pakistan belt makers. There are some, as ur belt shows, that aren't good. But if u want quality, there are a few that can provide it at a higher price, but you get what u paid for. $500 is just what you put as a down payment for a high-quality belt.
Yeah - most collectors are in the hobby as novices and aren't looking to drop $1000 or more on a replica. I just wanted to made a review that gives people an accurate expectation of what you might get
I would just like to file a complaint with HR. That belt hurt my feelings. What did I ever do to that belt???? This has created a hostile viewing environment detrimental to my mental health and well-being. Also...subbed.
You get what you pay for when it comes from overseas. The makers not leaving his stamp on the end of the snap box is a red flag for me. That alone tells me that they are either beginners and you should have done a bit more research into them or someone else did the leather for them. Decent belt in my opinion around the $300 range. At least they attempted to burnish the edge.
This belt came about from conversations that I had with the maker and him promising me unbelievable quality. We worked out a deal and then I got this belt. Certainly a decent belt... all of the components for a great belt are there. It is just lacking in the fit & finish department.
Dude you chose a bad belt maker from Pakistan and I hope you paid less than $300 for that belt. In fact, that belt is worth no more than $150 to $200. You can't attribute all Pakistan belt makers as garbage just because your belt was poor quality. If you love collecting wrestling belts then I'd say don't give up on Pakistan makers. You just gotta find the right ones. NAWAZ and MS Creations is a great start.
I'm definitely aware of the big makers (Nawaz, Altair, etc etc). This seller reached out to me and we made a deal. The issue I have is that there are sooo many makers and people new to the hobby or those who aren't as detailed may not know what to expect if they don't use one of the big name makers.
I agree, this belt was not well done. If this belt was zinc, they used an inferior plating process because the slight grainy texture gives me brass vibes. Paint issues everywhere. Well, that does happen, I actually had some paint issues on a few WWE Shop belts as well, but this one is over the top. I agree with a few guys on here, you need to point out who the maker is. If not on here, then somewhere where the community can be notified.
Just waiting to see if the maker comes through on his promise to make this right (before slamming him). If he makes it right with a better quality belt, I will review that belt with his info made public
Oh It's definitely brass, TRUST me its true...its DAMN TRUE😂!! Mines is the exact same and the plates are tarnished completely. They just lie and advertise that it's 24k etc but really its brass material. I have PLENTY of other zinc plated belts that are way older than the IC Pakistan belt and NONE of them are remotely tarnished or rusted only the Pakistan purchased IC belt. U certainly get what you pay for🤦
I had an experience with a fake belt maker. I cancelled it before I was charged, but somehow I got the belt. Left a review where I called him out for the fake and he left me a very hateful message saying that I didn't pay for it and that I was also a competitor of his lol. I didn't pay for it so I gave it to my friend who didn't mind that it was fake. But yeah everything you mention is true.
We may have to agree to disagree. The pitting and wavy areas are indicative of acid etching. I don't see any of the tooling/patterning that is typically present with CNC
Not sure about wavy areas, but I’ve seen pitting on CNC plates before, and even on WWE Shop plates. I think that’s more a characteristic of a bad batch of zinc. The lines on these are just too straight, the letters such as W and N appear to have used a wide drill bit, and in acid etched plates the stars would have recessed areas around them but these don’t. But either way I hope the maker does you right the next time.
I got one a couple years ago from Pakistan. It was the 05 smackdown tag title. Only things were the plates were very thin, scratched and they used the wrong blue for the globe.
You have to be very specific with these makers on what you expect for details like plate thickness, paint colors, etc. I'm not surprised you had that issue.
It depends on the maker. There are several I use from overseas who make quality replicas..that blow WWE shop out the water. You do have to be careful where you order from though..you're right about that lol.
I'm ok with the current WWEShop logo belts. Obviously, Id prefer the original WWF block logo on these classic belts, but it doesn't bother me to have the "Legends" WW
These belts are "Good from far, far from good." I purchased a couple to see what they were all about. Both of my examples started peeling pretty badly from the back after only a couple of months.
My understanding is that the source materials used in creating these belts is subpar. Inferior leather, dirty acid for etching, and even the recycled metals they use for the plates.
Bootleg is also the only way to get the true WWF logo used back in the day. The WWE shop only sells the version with the “revisionist” logo which offends me more than minor flaws do.
Yep, this video is pretty accurate to the piece of crap IC belt I bought years ago from a Pakistan seller. My plates are damn near tarnished at this point, and the strap cut is extremely sharp and ruff. You surely get what u pay for and I definitely wasted my $275 smdh!
They also forgot two things on that belt the one is the gold tip at the end and also the WWF property InterContinental logo plate there should be six plates altogether instead of five
The red logo IC belt did not have a gold tip, a property plate, or tooling on the strap. It wasn't until they replaced the belt with an updated version (after Macho Man killed the belt with Brasso polish) that they added those upgrades.
I've got 3 knock off belts now, the WCW Big Gold Belt (my fav), the Undertaker Undisputed Title and a 90's Winged Eagle. Getting set to buy 2 90's Tag Titles, one for me and one for my lad, so we can we World Tag Champs. All of those belts cost about $150 each. I don't have the cash lying around for the stuff I'd really like, so these belts work for me. Are they great? Not really, the quality isn't bad, but I also know what I was getting myself in to. Do they make me smile, or my kid smile? Yep, so that makes them money well spent :)
I paid under $100 a couple years ago for an AEW world title belt off Amazon. It came from Pakistan and was low quality but not completely terrible. However I don't think they understood their own ordering system, because they charged me for 1 belt but they sent me two AEW belts and a WCW world title belt. So I got 3 poorly made belts for the price of 1.
Classic Shields are the best overseas makers, IMHO. I got a bad IC title as well from a subpar maker and decided to grab the brasso and make the Savage IC belt.
This belt was made by Jamil Sulahry. His Facebook group is JS BELT ECTHING CANTER. He reached out to me regarding my concerns for this belt and offered to make things right. I gave him a shot to make it right and he came through on his word. I don't hold any hard feelings and will do more business with him. I recently ordered two more belts from him and they are incredible. You can see the unboxing of those two new belts here: ruclips.net/video/tw3p2f9Auaw/видео.html
Its literally 100-ish bucks on real leather with THICK plates … I really don’t think there’s any room for complaints for that price from Pakistan … if it were a 500 dollar WWE Shop belt then I might be pissed and expect a LOT better … but for this price who can complain this Is a KILLER belt for the money ..
Yeah definitely gotta be careful. I got burned once buying one off Etsy. Was the Rated R spinner and was pictured and advertised as the actual looking replica. I got it and the thing looked like a 10 year old made it in his garage. The size was way off, no actual jewels, the spinner in the middle was made with a huge lag bolt with the spinning plate welded in place. The paint was horribly splattered all over not contained in any of the lines at all. And some of the plate edges were razor sharp because the plates were barely even 1mm thick. I made a complaint and got a full refund. Definitely gonna be careful of that in the future. 🤦🏾♂️
I would never order directly from one of these overseas companies. At this point there are so many on the market and on ebay, varying makers/quality/prices. Just buy 2nd hand and make sure you see quality photos and/or video.
i hear ya. add velcro to the belt and call it a day! LOL i ordered a WWF winged eagle because i grew up with WWF also. i dont care if its knock off lol.
Yeah, I'm not too picky on it being a licensed replica, or a boot... but I do expect a certain level of quality. I've got the dual plate WWEShop winged eagle that was releathered. Love it
To be honest it goes on who you go to in Pakistan as I’ve had a bad experience with a custom Belt and then a new maker I use now is really good at there work
Yeah - that is what I was trying to convey here. There are a ton of makers over there and if you're not familiar with the big names like Nawaz, Altair, etc... then I wanted to show what you might expect to receive
It's a little hard to be sure... some areas seem like CNC, and then some areas are resemble acid etch. It's not that big of a deal to me I guess. This belt is constructed better than a lot of other boots I've seen. I just wish the finish work was done better.
Can't forget the Honky Tonk Man when you talk about this belt brother! It's a shame your belt was ao badly made. At this point, I just want to buy official replicas and have them re leathered, and in the case of this belt, I'd have a paint modification done. Bootleg makers can be great if you are willing to pay big bucks and need something that appears 100% authentic, but it's a shady endeavor and doesn't always pay off.
We use custom Pakistan made belts for our small promotion because they are cheap and can take a beating. And I don't mind paying $140 for a replacement if one gets lost or stolen 😂 They have their uses!
Truth is the ones fr Pakistan look more like the real deal than the real deal replicas do. Depending on the maker. IMO it’s a hit n miss til you find a good beltmaker
Ive bought a ultimate warrior legacy title from fanatics for $350 and have one from an eBay seller for $125 thats just a generic world title i got for a friends promotion. The quality is comparable tho one is silver and other gold.
They are good beginner belts at that price, but more serious collectors are looking for better quality. Some of the makers semd out amazing belts for $350 - $550 range
@@TheBergBlog well yeah that's obviously true... Myself for instance, I have a Big Gold world title from Fandu... Excellent quality obviously... I'm not a real big serious belt collector but I do want to get a blue Universal title so I bought a bootleg off at Sea and I'm waiting for it to arrive so I can determine if I like it or not.. if not then I can just send it back and buy the WWE shop version. I think I spent like 120 on the bootleg
@bergblog4582 contracted through WWE or not, it's still being made by a belt maker, and so are the belts from overseas sellers. You can't go wrong with classic shields, Nawaz, or Fight-Nite. Btw that maker that made yours is a good dude from what I hear so he will fix the problems you had with this belt on the new one he sends you.
i brought my wwe haveywaight belt from a random wrestling show in a high school that had former wwe stars there signing and the belt was 240$ and that was 2019 and as of right now its still holding up.only thing is the signitures i have on it are fading on the strap
When you consider $300-500 for an illegal knockoff compared to $2500-3500 for a Millican, you get what you pay for. You can't expect a Lamborghini on a Yugo budget.
Well said
Can't disagree with you. I guess the point i was trying to make it that it's a crap-shoot when dealing with overseas makers.
@bergblog4582 Nawaz makes great belts. Don't let this experience ruin it for you. I have plenty of great high-quality belts from Nawaz, Fandu, and Fight-Nite. WWE shop were the ones that had to catch up to them.
That’s pretty cheap for a Millican or Reggie lol
@@foxhound9781 that's what mine cost with the licensed wwf logos. I suppose prices are higher now on the 2nd market, especially since Reggie passed.
If you’re gonna mention how crappy the belt is, it would be wise to call out the maker. Helps out others that are new in the hobby. Failing to mention a maker and then lumping all of them in one category is disingenuous at best, especially if your review is intended to educate the masses.
I've been in communication with the maker - he says he us going to make it right and send a new belt. I'm waiting to see if he follows through before posting his name. Either way, I'll post his name in the near future.
Didn't lump them all together either. I did mention in the video that some makers have done a good job establishing a good reputation with quality product
@@TheBergBlog how much??
What do you mean? You want to buy this belt?
If its a cnc etched belt i can see a more premium price how ever my maker has a better quality belt for half the price (this does look like acid etched possibly 4mm). It is a crap shoot but if you are buying for a paki maker you should ALWAYS do your research and check photos and get recommendations from pple who have delt with that maker. My guy is great with quality and price
And the most important thing you need to do is tell us what price you paid can’t expect a lot for $225 because that’s what it looks like
I actually just received my first bootleg a week ago from a Pakistan maker - I did a lot of maker comparison research first to make sure I was getting the level of quality I was happy with… Even with a few minor imperfections, I couldn’t fault it at all - Altair Belts knocked it out of the park!
Altair Belts has a great reputation in the maker/collector community
Ali Anas made my WWF big eagle and it is way better then any WWF/WWE replica big eagle made by figs inc or wwe shop
@@showstopper247I've heard his work is legit
@@TheBergBlog Deservedly so - His work is fantastic… A little pricier, but you definitely get the quality you pay for.
@@showstopper247 I got an SD WCW tv title and it is immaculate - And for SD quality, the etching is extremely detailed.
That was one hell of a Macho Man Impersonation
I can do more... ohhh yeah
About time you are back. You should show us the display case of all your belts.
Not funny.
The finish reminds me of when Macho used Brasso on the ic belt lol
I might customize this belt to represent the Brass belt
Maybe call out who the maker is?
Yeah - holding off on that for the time being since he said he would send me a new belt for free to make up of this poor quality belt. If he does, I will review that belt as well. Either way, I will be posting his name in the near future, either to praise him for making it right, or to let people know who not to order from
Sorry to hear that you were overcharged for this belts. Looks like a $200 belt from Ebay. It would be much appreciated if you told us who you got it from so we won't make the same mistake.
The belt came from JS Belt. I should add that since I talked to him about this belt and expressed my dissatisfaction, he made me a new one that was WAY better. I've since ordered 2 other belts from him (Reviewed on this channel) that were really really good!
The truth is you pay for what you get. You’re over generalizing the term “Pakistan Bootleg.” Not all makers produce a sub par belt like this. I’ve dealt with Classic Shields several times now and have only received quality. They are comparable and even better in some instances to Reggie or Milican and they are from Pakistan. Good video just over generalized a bit in my opinion.
You're not wrong
I bought my Smoking Skull belt for less than $200 from possibly the same Pakistani maker. You'll never see me complain, I'll definitely go back to the seller. I can always put the plates on a genuine leather belt lol
I don't disagree. In fact, I even say in the video that I'm satisfied with the belt. What I wasn't satisfied with was the sales pitch and description of the belt given to me by the maker versus what I actually received.
Acid etching is how Millican and Parks made their belts
its a proven success
I bought one as well but mine was more of the 94 era and it was when I got mine one of the side plates were bent and but i myself knew that your running that risk of that coming from their. But just like you that belt is what made me a fan and want collet belts as well. Love that old school look. Wish they would have taken more pride into their work. It looked like they went so far one day and came back the next and didn’t even check it over. Still a nice belt
Thanks man! This belt, the Winged Eagle, and the classic Tag belts are just such a memorable piece of my childhood.
I have to admit, there are certain replica belts that I don’t mind seeing with a few flaws. To me, those flaws makes the belts appear “Ring Used.”
This belt certainly fits my liking! The only exceptions I have with this belt are, the sloppy painting around/on the letters and center design. Plus, the red smudges of paint on the leather and, the vinyl backing separating from the leather.
The dull and nicked areas on the gold plating, gives the belt character to me (except the hair encased in the plating). But, I do understand a lot of people want a pristine wrestling belt. Especially, since many are expensive.
I agree that certain belts look good when they appear "ring used." I think that is why so many people liked the classic IC after Macho Man used the Brasso on it.
I got an attitude era Big Eagle belt from United Brothers Belts and it's gotten so bad that there's rust on the belt snaps and side plates. It was only 200 AUD, but I still won't get another belt from them again
Thanks for the heads up on them
I saw a few replicas for around $100 online. For that price I wouldn’t be too bothered by some imperfections since I’ve seen others for way more and I would probably just check it out, hold it a bit & put it on the wall. Plus the wrestlers notoriously didn’t take care of the belts and let them get worn.
Replicas in the $100 range are going to be 2mm brass plates with barely any etching/engraving - very basic.
@@TheBergBlog Yes they appeared to be
makes sense
Fandu belts is considered a bootleg belt maker and their belts are better quality than official wwe. If you showed me the eagle wing duo plated championship belt on the wwe shop and a fandu belt side by side i would have guessed the wwe was the bootleg.
Indeed
Beautiful belt ngl .. and for the price its really not much to complain about .. u get what u pay for and this is good quality for what u paid
Only people who will notice are those who get that close to inspection this honestly
Yeah, agreed. I just wish I received it as it was described to me. I bought it off of what the seller told me and then got something different.
Decent review man. I'd just recommend you specifically call out that particular maker versus summarizing a whole country up based off of his lack thereofs. Speaking from experience with having some Reggie Parks, Dave Millicans, TRB, amongst other established makers, you'd be surprised of the quality I've gotten from an overseas maker (CS) compared to domestic. Just a small bit of advice bud. Take it for what it is.
I hear you - I'm waiting to see if the maker of this belt follows through on his promise to make it right before I post him publicly.
550 dollars is not the price of a premium wrestling title belt, this dude is an absolute nerd and has no idea about the cost of things
For serious collectors in this hobby, $550 is a chump change. I'm well aware that serious collectors will spend thousands on custom belts, ring used belts, or rare iterations of belts. But to the average buyer, which encompasses most of those in this hobby, $550 for a belt starts to encroach on "premium" pricing.
Pathetic that it has so many views at that. People wasting money on garbage Shop belts where if you drop just a bit more you get premium show quality.
Hell some SD quality belts are better than Shop at pretty much the same price smh.
nobody is arguing that fact... the point of the video was to help people understand that ordering belts from makers such as this is a gamble.
@@observer.b_e_l_l_i_s
ORM is the best bootleg belt maker right now. Most accurate designs and gols plating is incredible
They do great work!
Personally I love MOCBELTS. I have many title belts from them and they do really great work.
sweet! I'll check them out
@syckodaklown moc belts are an absolute scam. You may have had a good experience, but Fahad has stolen and defrauded from so many customers who either never received any belt, or got a completely lower quality than what was advertised. He also lies and string you along before ghosting you.
This is a very poorly made belt from Pakistan. It does not represent bootlegs from Pakistan, as I had a much better experience with the belts I ordered from there. I got a 310$ CNC IC from a maker I trust with. The plating was perfect, the side plates were curved unlike this one, the gold was even and looked real nice on the entire belt, has a champion plate and a gold tip. The leather is real bad here as well. I recommend you to start ordeing belts from GCB, Top Shelf, Nawaz, or Classic Shield. Their belts will change your mind about the Pakistani makers.
Who is your trusted maker? Maybe I'll buy from them and review their belt.
M Asad Ali with Greater Custom Belts, Ali Anas with Altair Belts, and Muhammad Nawaz are only makers I would trust unless wanting to go with the big boys of Boots such as Orm or Classic Shields
Value for money its Great Custom Belts. I had to pay 150$ extra for shipping to Israel, but he ships for free to the US.
@@TheBergBlogI use Syed from Arosha Belts. Quality is on par with ORM and CS, but the wait time is much shorter. I also have bought from Abdul Rehman (M Rehman Belts) and he has been excellent to work with.
GCB sold the the worst IC belt. Wavy etching and literal cuts in the top filigree that cut me a few times and terrible leather. Went with someone else to replace it
I remember Macho man Randy Savage vs Ricky the Dragon Steamboat doing battle for that Beautiful belt at WrestleMania 3..
IMHO,I remember that more than Hogan slamming Andre the Giant
One of the all time classic matches in all of pro wrestling
@@TheBergBlog YES
I remember Hogan & Andre way more 💯 They sold the event 💯
@@digitalwest3808 People came to WM3 for Hogan vs. Andre but Steamboat vs. Savage was a bonus to them.
I got my bootleg winged eagle for actually a very good price….but the strap is basically almost all off the back now. Nothing hot glue can’t fix….and my leather is THICK…but you do get what you pay for. Lucky for me the gold plating and emamel work is pretty decent. For display- I’m ok with it.
That is a common issue with Middle East bootlegs, but as you said, if you are just going to display it, no biggie.
Why do I feel like you had planned on buying for cheap just to resell it for more?
Not sure why you feel that way since this belt is still sitting on my display shelf as part of my collection...
I bought the old WWF triple crown from Pakistan(an IC, 2 tag titles and a winged eagle world) all only 2mm. Imo, they do the same job as the high dollar replicas; sit there and look cool. I had to have that old WWF logo.
You hit the mark here! Not every collector wants (or needs) to have a $1000 replica on fine grain leather, cubic zirconia stones, and 5.5 CNC machined plates. I have several belts that aren't top quality, but they sure look good sitting on a shelf!
@@TheBergBlog exactly man. My thing is figures. Ljns, hasbros, galoobs, njpw hyper heroes and on and on. I don't need a strap as good or BETTER than the pros had.
....you missed Karate Fighters!
If you only payed about $100-$200 for that belt,it is not as bad,ive seen way worse.
I've definitely seen worse.
There are hundreds of 'Pakistan belt makers'. It appears as if you didn't do your research and bought from a not so reputable maker. Check out work from guys like Classic Shields, Orm, Muhammad Nawaz, Ali Anas, Waqas Naseer, Muhammad Asif.
I am aware if the big names and have done all the research. I got this belt after the seller reached out to me and we corresponded for a while before I took the chance
What's crazy is, if anyone had this exact belt 35 years ago, you would've been the man in your neighborhood!! Lol I'm not a belt snob or connoisseur (not that there's anything wrong with that), for me, depending on what the price is, I'm ok with these issues. Idk I just wish I was able to get even a "Pakistani" belt when I was a kid :(
You are totally right. The original Figures Inc. belts that came out in the late 90's were really crappy. But, at the time, it was all we had and they seemed amazing. This belt compared to those is way better. But, but today's standard, this belt is now subpar. Either way, as I said in the video, it is still a satisfactory belt.
I bought the NWA National Heavyweight Wrestling Championship belt from most probably the same guy that supplied you, your WWF Intercontinental belt. Mine was dirty and has imperfections. I got the thinner 2.5mm plates, I was thinking about getting thicher plates on future purchases if I choose to go down that path. A Dave Millican belt or belts would be the ultimate for my collection. I have 3 WWE Shop belts and 1 Pakistan belt.
Could be the same maker!!
I have a Fandu Big Gold, 6 WWEShop belts, and this IC bootleg
Muhammad Asif, Nawaz, so many others out there that are good. I’d go with a CNC next time as well. Unless you prefer a nice sd from Orm or Hd which obviously is more cash. Sorry bro. Hope you get some money back for that.
Can you please provide their contact details?
ORM, Classic Shields and Altair make some VERY nice looking belts, but their prices are higher than what I'm willing to pay.
I have 2 SD belts ordered from NAWAZ and 2 HD belts ordered from MS Creations. Their quality seems pretty nice for the price. Asif has been awesome with updating me about my belts. Both guys have great reviews. I have a feeling these 2 guys will be my go to belt makers.
@@AceGoodheart please provide their contact details
I'm waiting for the maker to make this right. He said he will send me a new belt of better quality to make up for this. Before I slam him, I want to give him a chance to fix it.
Nice! I miss the good old times of the World Wrestling Federation...😥
Don't forget the Attitude Era as well and the New Generation Era too
Yeah me too
it was ALL good back then!
Bootlegs are hit & miss my AEW bootleg was immaculate . If you decide to sell after you get the other one I might be an interested buyer .
I'll keep you posted!
For 100 bucks it isn't terrible.
If I'd paid 300 for this I'd be more upset.
If you're just displaying it then it isn't horrible.
agreed
Your supposed to polish it with brasso to improve the polish
Yes... I just watched a DIY video that Macho Man made showing how he polished his! LOL
😂😂😂😂😂 #DigIt
I bought a bootleg WWF tag team belt from Pakistan (the style that Demolition had). After a few year the leather on the back started separating
That is a fairly common issue with Pakistan belts.
Ain't no you get what you pay for.... Y'all tripping! WWE shop sale 300-500 dollar belts no wear and tear perfect everything
I own multiple WWEShop belts and I agree, they do a great job. But, I'm a sucker for a real leather strap and thicker plates.
Shop belts are trash in comparison, some of you really should consider putting the sauce down.
@@observer.b_e_l_l_i_s idk any other site to order them off
I own and review mostly from Pakistan belt makers. There are some, as ur belt shows, that aren't good. But if u want quality, there are a few that can provide it at a higher price, but you get what u paid for. $500 is just what you put as a down payment for a high-quality belt.
Yeah - most collectors are in the hobby as novices and aren't looking to drop $1000 or more on a replica. I just wanted to made a review that gives people an accurate expectation of what you might get
I would just like to file a complaint with HR. That belt hurt my feelings. What did I ever do to that belt???? This has created a hostile viewing environment detrimental to my mental health and well-being. Also...subbed.
HR formally denies your request. Please see page 14 of the employee handbook that says "No being a little bitch."
Also, thanks for the sub!
Bootlegs are better than so-called "real" titles that are just copies of the original title. Both are fake, one is just cost effective.
Boom! Nailed it.
You purchased a bootleg belt from Pakistan. You were expecting a Mercedes when you knowingly purchased a Kia. Come on man
No. I was only expecting what the seller said he was going to deliver.
You get what you pay for when it comes from overseas. The makers not leaving his stamp on the end of the snap box is a red flag for me. That alone tells me that they are either beginners and you should have done a bit more research into them or someone else did the leather for them. Decent belt in my opinion around the $300 range. At least they attempted to burnish the edge.
This belt came about from conversations that I had with the maker and him promising me unbelievable quality. We worked out a deal and then I got this belt. Certainly a decent belt... all of the components for a great belt are there. It is just lacking in the fit & finish department.
Dude you chose a bad belt maker from Pakistan and I hope you paid less than $300 for that belt. In fact, that belt is worth no more than $150 to $200. You can't attribute all Pakistan belt makers as garbage just because your belt was poor quality.
If you love collecting wrestling belts then I'd say don't give up on Pakistan makers. You just gotta find the right ones. NAWAZ and MS Creations is a great start.
I'm definitely aware of the big makers (Nawaz, Altair, etc etc). This seller reached out to me and we made a deal. The issue I have is that there are sooo many makers and people new to the hobby or those who aren't as detailed may not know what to expect if they don't use one of the big name makers.
I agree, this belt was not well done. If this belt was zinc, they used an inferior plating process because the slight grainy texture gives me brass vibes. Paint issues everywhere. Well, that does happen, I actually had some paint issues on a few WWE Shop belts as well, but this one is over the top. I agree with a few guys on here, you need to point out who the maker is. If not on here, then somewhere where the community can be notified.
Just waiting to see if the maker comes through on his promise to make this right (before slamming him). If he makes it right with a better quality belt, I will review that belt with his info made public
It’s definitely not the 24k gold plating because that would’ve smoothed out a lot of these issues.
Oh It's definitely brass, TRUST me its true...its DAMN TRUE😂!! Mines is the exact same and the plates are tarnished completely. They just lie and advertise that it's 24k etc but really its brass material. I have PLENTY of other zinc plated belts that are way older than the IC Pakistan belt and NONE of them are remotely tarnished or rusted only the Pakistan purchased IC belt. U certainly get what you pay for🤦
@@Co2DaJo Clearly there is a breakdown in the Three I's
I had an experience with a fake belt maker. I cancelled it before I was charged, but somehow I got the belt. Left a review where I called him out for the fake and he left me a very hateful message saying that I didn't pay for it and that I was also a competitor of his lol. I didn't pay for it so I gave it to my friend who didn't mind that it was fake. But yeah everything you mention is true.
Seems like he needs to tighten up his business model!
They are all knockoffs of the original maker's belt. Next, you need to see if it's made to the original spec and what variances occur if not.
I'm not all that concerned about being 100% to spec
I run an indie fed and the Pakistan belts worked super well for my custom designs.
You can get decent belts for sure - even this specific belt that I reviewed felt durable. It could totally be used in an indie fed.
Sorry this didn’t turn out very well. But those definitely look like CNC plates. The lettering art isn’t good though.
We may have to agree to disagree. The pitting and wavy areas are indicative of acid etching. I don't see any of the tooling/patterning that is typically present with CNC
Not sure about wavy areas, but I’ve seen pitting on CNC plates before, and even on WWE Shop plates. I think that’s more a characteristic of a bad batch of zinc. The lines on these are just too straight, the letters such as W and N appear to have used a wide drill bit, and in acid etched plates the stars would have recessed areas around them but these don’t. But either way I hope the maker does you right the next time.
In this hobby “you get what you pay for “really applies when buying from Pakistan. Buy cheap get cheap.
This belt cost more than a WWEShop replica... so not necessarily cheap.
@@TheBergBloghow much did you spend on this !?
Spent a few hundred dollars, plus time spent to photograph, video, and edit a review.
@@TheBergBlog you said it cost more than a replica on shop. So what was the number ?
@DashingChrisBey over $500 all in
I got one a couple years ago from Pakistan. It was the 05 smackdown tag title. Only things were the plates were very thin, scratched and they used the wrong blue for the globe.
You have to be very specific with these makers on what you expect for details like plate thickness, paint colors, etc. I'm not surprised you had that issue.
Dont order a cheap knock off then have the audacity to make a video complaining about the quality
Well, it cost more than a WWEShop belt, so I don't know about cheap...
It depends on the maker. There are several I use from overseas who make quality replicas..that blow WWE shop out the water. You do have to be careful where you order from though..you're right about that lol.
Feel free to share the names of who you use!
This is superior to any and every belt featured via WWE shop.
Agreed
I like these better they actually use the wwf logo I hate the new logos
I'm a sucker for the old WWF logo
Got one off eBay saved so much money ya wouldn't expect be to the standard tbf and happy
sometimes I feel like eBay is a scam
@@TheBergBlog luck of draw feel but paypal is great for that tbf
Came in thinking you would be nitpicking about minor details. Am surprised by how bad this belt is. Wow
It has its issues for sure
Don't buy belts from Pakistan. Quick and easy summary of being in the hobby 26 years.
Any recommendations on where else to get'em?
$550 is not a premium price! What did you want, Macho Man and Liz to deliver it to you? You got what you paid for, I think.
It would be weird for two dead zombies to bring me a belt.
The intercontinental championship is my favourite
Same!
Still not a bad looking belt for the money. Truth told even the real belts were not absolutely perfect, especially over time.
Its satisfactory - but it certainly didn't live up to the hype that I was given by the maker
That belt is still better than all the WWE's current logo championships 👌
I'm ok with the current WWEShop logo belts. Obviously, Id prefer the original WWF block logo on these classic belts, but it doesn't bother me to have the "Legends" WW
I got that exact IC title 2 weeks ago thanks for your video review.
These belts are "Good from far, far from good." I purchased a couple to see what they were all about. Both of my examples started peeling pretty badly from the back after only a couple of months.
My understanding is that the source materials used in creating these belts is subpar. Inferior leather, dirty acid for etching, and even the recycled metals they use for the plates.
$550 is not premium price for a belt. Thats basically WWE shop price.
Basically, but it is 5.5mm plates and real leather which you don't get on WWEShop unless you're dropping over $700
Bootleg is also the only way to get the true WWF logo used back in the day. The WWE shop only sells the version with the “revisionist” logo which offends me more than minor flaws do.
Yep, this video is pretty accurate to the piece of crap IC belt I bought years ago from a Pakistan seller. My plates are damn near tarnished at this point, and the strap cut is extremely sharp and ruff. You surely get what u pay for and I definitely wasted my $275 smdh!
It's too bad because there really are some good makers.
Mine was always the Winged Eagle
It's a classic, that's for sure!
They also forgot two things on that belt the one is the gold tip at the end and also the WWF property InterContinental logo plate there should be six plates altogether instead of five
The red logo IC belt did not have a gold tip, a property plate, or tooling on the strap. It wasn't until they replaced the belt with an updated version (after Macho Man killed the belt with Brasso polish) that they added those upgrades.
I've got 3 knock off belts now, the WCW Big Gold Belt (my fav), the Undertaker Undisputed Title and a 90's Winged Eagle. Getting set to buy 2 90's Tag Titles, one for me and one for my lad, so we can we World Tag Champs. All of those belts cost about $150 each. I don't have the cash lying around for the stuff I'd really like, so these belts work for me. Are they great? Not really, the quality isn't bad, but I also know what I was getting myself in to. Do they make me smile, or my kid smile? Yep, so that makes them money well spent :)
Yes!!! Love it bro
The leather looks to be of low quality but sometimes looks can be deceiving it really shouldn’t be that loose
Outside of the finish-work on the leather, I don't think the quality is that bad. Wish they used a thicker strap, but the quality seems good
I paid under $100 a couple years ago for an AEW world title belt off Amazon. It came from Pakistan and was low quality but not completely terrible. However I don't think they understood their own ordering system, because they charged me for 1 belt but they sent me two AEW belts and a WCW world title belt. So I got 3 poorly made belts for the price of 1.
Lemme buy WCW off u
@@MyNameIsUnavailable hell no
jackpot!
As a Pakistani belt maker myself, this is really bad. I apologize to you on there behalf. I can make you a better belt for 130$.
I'm waiting to see if this maker will follow through on his promise to send me a new belt in better condition
Yeah man i really do hope so. If you wanna see any samples of my creations you can hmu.
@@tahaWajahat77You have a website?
@@TheBergBlog ^
@@TheBergBlog check dms
Classic Shields are the best overseas makers, IMHO. I got a bad IC title as well from a subpar maker and decided to grab the brasso and make the Savage IC belt.
that may be what happens to this belt
So who’s the maker?
This belt was made by Jamil Sulahry. His Facebook group is JS BELT ECTHING CANTER.
He reached out to me regarding my concerns for this belt and offered to make things right. I gave him a shot to make it right and he came through on his word. I don't hold any hard feelings and will do more business with him.
I recently ordered two more belts from him and they are incredible. You can see the unboxing of those two new belts here: ruclips.net/video/tw3p2f9Auaw/видео.html
Its literally 100-ish bucks on real leather with THICK plates … I really don’t think there’s any room for complaints for that price from Pakistan … if it were a 500 dollar WWE Shop belt then I might be pissed and expect a LOT better … but for this price who can complain this Is a KILLER belt for the money ..
You are assuming that I paid $100. I didn't.
No Belt Tip. I had the same issue with my winged eagle.
This version wasn't supposed to have the belt tip... it was the version after this red logo that the belt tip was added.
Yeah definitely gotta be careful. I got burned once buying one off Etsy. Was the Rated R spinner and was pictured and advertised as the actual looking replica. I got it and the thing looked like a 10 year old made it in his garage. The size was way off, no actual jewels, the spinner in the middle was made with a huge lag bolt with the spinning plate welded in place. The paint was horribly splattered all over not contained in any of the lines at all. And some of the plate edges were razor sharp because the plates were barely even 1mm thick. I made a complaint and got a full refund. Definitely gonna be careful of that in the future. 🤦🏾♂️
that sounds awful
I would never order directly from one of these overseas companies. At this point there are so many on the market and on ebay, varying makers/quality/prices. Just buy 2nd hand and make sure you see quality photos and/or video.
I've done just that for a few of my other belts.
i hear ya. add velcro to the belt and call it a day! LOL i ordered a WWF winged eagle because i grew up with WWF also. i dont care if its knock off lol.
Yeah, I'm not too picky on it being a licensed replica, or a boot... but I do expect a certain level of quality.
I've got the dual plate WWEShop winged eagle that was releathered. Love it
@@TheBergBlog I just want the WWF logos for the proper belts 😂😂
don't we all....
It's still nice.
Yeah
I think I’m going deaf because I could barely hear you over the music…
Thanks for the feedback
It looks good to me 💯
Satisfactory for sure. Just wish it was everything I was told it was going to be.
The Nikita koloff/lex luger u s. Title belt is my 2nd favorite belt of all time behind ric flair's big gold belt
Yes! That belt is so nice!
To be honest it goes on who you go to in Pakistan as I’ve had a bad experience with a custom
Belt and then a new maker I use now is really good at there work
Yeah - that is what I was trying to convey here. There are a ton of makers over there and if you're not familiar with the big names like Nawaz, Altair, etc... then I wanted to show what you might expect to receive
Looks great to me
I'm satisfied with it. Just wish it would have turned out the way the maker told me it would. Still a really nice belt!
no bomb in the belt huh .....that's a good thing
It was opened at several checkpoints along the shipping route - clear of bombs
I really hope you can get your money back for the belt.
I'm going to hang onto it. I'm working with the seller who says he'll make me a new belt of better quality for free to make up for it.
I think these plates are CNC bro
It's a little hard to be sure... some areas seem like CNC, and then some areas are resemble acid etch. It's not that big of a deal to me I guess. This belt is constructed better than a lot of other boots I've seen. I just wish the finish work was done better.
@@TheBergBlog yeah it's not great CNC work you can see the CNC milling lines and the plating Could have been a lot better.
I definitely would send them an email with this video and tell them they can keep it and refund that money
The seller is aware - he's promised to send me a new belt of better quality. We'll see
Can't forget the Honky Tonk Man when you talk about this belt brother! It's a shame your belt was ao badly made. At this point, I just want to buy official replicas and have them re leathered, and in the case of this belt, I'd have a paint modification done. Bootleg makers can be great if you are willing to pay big bucks and need something that appears 100% authentic, but it's a shady endeavor and doesn't always pay off.
Greatest Intercontinental Champion of all time!
We use custom Pakistan made belts for our small promotion because they are cheap and can take a beating. And I don't mind paying $140 for a replacement if one gets lost or stolen 😂 They have their uses!
I'd love to see some pics!
Truth is the ones fr Pakistan look more like the real deal than the real deal replicas do. Depending on the maker. IMO it’s a hit n miss til you find a good beltmaker
Yes!
You pay like $150 for Pakistan made belts. Geez
I didn't pay $150
If he makes it right by you, you wanna sell this one?
Yes, I'd sell it if he comes through with a new belt
Ive bought a ultimate warrior legacy title from fanatics for $350 and have one from an eBay seller for $125 thats just a generic world title i got for a friends promotion. The quality is comparable tho one is silver and other gold.
Sounds like a good score
You get what you pay for. There. Saved you 14 mins.
not all heroes wear capes
My belt maker charges $250 for this.
Who do you use?
@@TheBergBlog Are you on Facebook? If so, I can connect you to him there.
facebook.com/BergBlog
Thing is .... Some of these bootleg belts from Pakistan aren't even that bad honestly... Especially if you're only spending around $100-$150
They are good beginner belts at that price, but more serious collectors are looking for better quality. Some of the makers semd out amazing belts for $350 - $550 range
@@TheBergBlog well yeah that's obviously true... Myself for instance, I have a Big Gold world title from Fandu... Excellent quality obviously... I'm not a real big serious belt collector but I do want to get a blue Universal title so I bought a bootleg off at Sea and I'm waiting for it to arrive so I can determine if I like it or not.. if not then I can just send it back and buy the WWE shop version. I think I spent like 120 on the bootleg
I've got a Fandu Big Gold as well... it's a beast!
If i wanted a replica championship i would want the ECW 06-08 championship
Was that the big silver belt?
@bergblog4582 no the one before it what Paul heyman gived RVD .the silver is 08-10
Are the belts WWE uses bootleg, too? Since they don't use WWE shop belts on tv.
No - they contract a maker under a license agreement to produce their belts.
@bergblog4582 contracted through WWE or not, it's still being made by a belt maker, and so are the belts from overseas sellers. You can't go wrong with classic shields, Nawaz, or Fight-Nite. Btw that maker that made yours is a good dude from what I hear so he will fix the problems you had with this belt on the new one he sends you.
i brought my wwe haveywaight belt from a random wrestling show in a high school that had former wwe stars there signing and the belt was 240$ and that was 2019 and as of right now its still holding up.only thing is the signitures i have on it are fading on the strap
Do signatures make the belt more valuable?
Of course yes !!! I’m telling u the bigger the name the more expensive the belt is if u wanna sell it
You can get some pretty dope belts for $1500 from Pakistan tho
truth!
Use brasso on it like macho did....
thinking about it