🔴 Leica 50mm Summicron Review: Leica Summicron 50mm f2 v5 vs Summicron 50mm f2 DR (Dual Range)
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- Ep.3) Best Leica Summicron 50mm f2 lens? Leica 50mm Summicron Review: V5 vs DR
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Which is the best Leica Summicron 50mm f2 lens to buy? Leica 50mm Summicron v5 vs. older Leica 50mm Summicron Dual Range (DR). Leica 50mm Summicron Review + Sample Photos. Pros and cons of the modern Summicron 50 version 5 Pre-APO 50f2 against the vintage Leica Summicron Dual Range + How to use it with the close focus goggles (often seen with Leica M3). I show the 50mm Summicron vs Summilux 50mm f/1.4 ASPH (and Leica APO-Summcron-M 75mm f/2) as size comparison. *This video doesn't include the Leica 50mm Summicron APO but I will test it when I get chance. There is also the popular Leica Summicron 50mm f2 Rigid and Leica Summicron 50mm f2 collapsible but I don't own those models so can't share.
Leica Summicron 50mm f2 sample photos included shot with a Leica M9, Leica M240, Leica CL digital and on Leica film cameras.
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:D I got my M3 + the dual range for $800 about 10 years ago. Then, I got a mint M6 for $1000, And now I picked up a M-P 240 for $2200. Life is good :D
Raymond Lo congrats, nice setup!
This guy is an artist , and into his trade , when i come across one of your photos , you made - wow - nice!
Thanks very kind! You can find more photos @MrLeicaCom
Wow Matt!! Great review! I really love this review of the summicrons. I have been on the fence about buying the DR but now you have convinced me, especially with those fantastic shots!! Great work, sir.
Ah thank you haha, yes it's a nice lens for sure. I was very happy when I first found and tested it in Germany on a weekend trip. The street bokeh and sign photo were test shots outside the camera store using my M9 at the time. :) Those to photos sold it to me in an instant! (Lots more photos and detail in the blog link to that lens in the video description). *For most lenses I review there will be a link to a full write up below but often I forget to mention it!
Man I’ve been visiting your website for a few years now. Glad to see you on RUclips. I prefer manual lenses and it’s nice to see reviews on some rangefinder lenses I’ve been wondering about.
Hi thanks for following the blog and great to have you here! Yes I now wish i'd faced RUclips 5 years ago but I couldn't think of anything more scary at the time. I'm getting more used to it slowly! :)
Great video :).Thanks for mentioning the easily retractable lens hood on the v5 as I pointed out earlier. The 50/2 v5 was the first Leica lens I bought as used but mint copy.
Thanks Martin! No problem, yes it was my first modern Leica lens too!
Very helpful. Thanks Matt!
seacow2001 thanks for watching! See the playlists for many similar related videos! :)
Your videos are the best for this kind of stuff. I have the DR and really enjoyed this review. Thank you
Thanks very kind! I think I’ve done maybe 120 vids now in the last year or so. Give it a few years and hopefully I can make a go to channel for comparisons like this! :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Im sure you will mate, solid work! Look forward to seeing more :)
@@literallyshane4306 many thanks!
hey Matt, you don't have to spend those thousands of dollars just to show us how sharp they are.. what you're showing us/teaching us is way more than enough.. always enjoying and absorbing the tips and tricks you're sharing.. keep it up and always be safe!
Thanks Banj! I appreciate you following along 👍🏻
Nice! I hope you make videos about Summilux and Noctilux lenses as well.
Funny you should ask! If you’re subscribed look out for email notifications this week!
Hi thank you for your information, I have been working working 1.4 super good for me.
Thanks! No problem, thanks for commenting :)
Leica 50mm DR is never coming off my M3. Thanks for the review.
Great to hear! Do you use with goggles too!? :)
Summicron DR is my favorite choice too. Love the feeling when taking with.
Yes great lens!, thanks!
One advantage of shooting M-lenses on Sony is that with a close focus adapter I can focus down to 20cm with the 50mm Summicron Type V. It’s pretty nifty when travelling to be able to do food photography and macro.
Thanks Anthony, I made this video before getting the close focus helicoid for my SL/CL. Now I can enjoy the same as you Sony guys!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom welcome to the club! Adapting lenses with EVF cameras opens up all sorts of creative opportunities.
Stunning images from the crons of 50's and 90's. Well done, matt! I used to have an immaculate 50 summicron rigid (the optically identical twin to the DR) that produced delicious results on films and sensors. Unfortunately it managed to develop over the years some serious internal haze that reduced the image contrast significantly. No one seems to know for certain how the haze arises within these vintage summicrons or how it can be remedied effectively. Apparently the problem has plagued quite a number of type 2 crons to various degrees. I would check you dr regularly if i were you.Having had to sell mine at a great loss unfortunately, I don't think I will for use get another type 2 again. Been a happy user of the type 5 since...
Thanks Q, I appreciate you sharing that and sorry to hear the news. I believe where you live is very important in this situation. Countries with high humidity are higher risk for lenses. The UK probably less so. People use dry bags and dry cabinets in such countries as I hear.
Interesting comment. I am thinking of buying a 111g with a rigid summicron f2. Do these older screw versions also suffer from the haze?
@@tuisitala9068 Vintage glasses are more prone to haze than newer ones but no one can put a definitive finger on it as to why. Deterioration of the various organic components in the lens is probably the most likely culprit and how and where the glasses are stored and used played a part, too. I wouldn't be deterred from getting a rigid summicron if I were you. But one needs to examine the optics very carefully for fogginess. Incidentally, I'd never wipe the front or back element of vintage Leica glass with anything including microfibre cloth unless the image quality is at stake because of the dust/dirt/smear etc. They take no prisoners in marking the glass.
Greetings Matt, What I find amazing is that when I using the Nikon DSLR ecosystem the focal length that I had the absolute least amount of love for was the ‘nifty 50’. But now that I’ve made the switch to the Leica M ecosystem, the ‘nifty 50’ is my lens of choice. I share that with you now because you asked your viewers to share their preferred 50. I just purchased a Mint copy of the 50 DR with goggles. That lens is a jewel! My first 50 and subsequently my first love, was the Lux. My second 50 was the APO f2. And I’ve been forced to make room for all three of them because I can’t give any one of them up. Be Blessed! Chaps
Hi Chaps, sorry trying to catch up with all the comments.. I didn't realise when you commented on Patreon that I had outstanding comments from you! I had 100+ comments on the recent video so that pushed all earlier ones to the bottom. Yes I like the 50s both on Leica and Nikon. For Leica especially it just makes sense as on the Leica iii, Leica M3 and similar cameras they were designed around the 50. Congrats on your DR, yes an excellent lens as is the Lux and Nocti v1. I still need to get an APO but i'm not sure I need it/ can afford it! :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Matt, no worries. I’m glad that you’re busy. I’d imagine that busy is good for business. Matt, I have another question. You highly recommended the Zeiss 25 2.8 zm. How does that lens compare to the Leica Elmarit M 24mm f2.8 asph 6 bit coded? Between the two, which would you recommend overall? Sorry to have so many questions. Be Blessed, Chaps
@@chapsibnnoel3626 thanks, I’ve not got the 24M but the 24R is nice however the Zeiss is sharper. The 28M is very good but I think the Zeiss rendering may be better. (Question me direct on Patreon messaging for fast replies) 👍🏻
I have both too, DR inherited from my late father. Only wish the DR wasn't so uncomfortable to use (Focus grip) and no half stops on the aperture ring. Much prefer using the V5 on my M3.
Thanks Martin! I’ll get back to my Leica 50s once I’ve tested all the lenses I’m currently working through. Great lenses! 👍🏻😊
I have the V5, the Rigid Summicron and the collapsable Summicron and love them . I use to have the DR but sold it.
Great! That makes me feel better only owning 2 :) ...I hear the rigid is excellent.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Yes it's great , actually I had two rigid but recently sold one as I am raising money towards an M10 OR MP Typ 240 can't make up my mind!
@@dominiquecollard9068 ah very nice! The M10 is smaller/ newer but the M240 should be cheaper. I will try to test an M10 this year and share my thoughts!
I don't have a lens cap for my Summitar lens on my Leica IIIb, so this could happen to me, if it wasn't for one thing. My camera came with the original leather case. It's old, worn and looks like it has taken a lot of punishment over the years, but it has kept the camera safe and in very good condition, so it still does.
Thanks, ah yes the benefits of using a case. I’ll be honest I don’t use the ones I have so great tip!
Summicron DR/Rigid is my favorite 50:)
On the M10 it works perfectly from 0.45m to 10m (it just won't go completely to infinity). You just have to make sure you mount it between 3m 〜5m. Never tried it on the M240/M9 though.
Hi Daniel, many thanks for confirming about the M10. Good to know for people. I've added a comment above for M8/M9/M240 that i've used. Thanks for sharing!
I have the DR as well, works perfectly on my film cameras, but on M240, it goes to 10m only as well, I felt some resistance beyond 10m, and did not want to risk breaking the camera. The Goggle does not attach on Digital Leica either.
Nice DR 'review'. Mate, get yourself an M5.....they're fab.
Thanks, I’ve never used a M5. My M3 is my go to.
Team DR!!!! 😁
Love your videos! Very informative reviews.
Hope you can make more than one video per week after this daily series. 👍
The focus ring of my DR is a little stiff. Is that normal?
Hi John, welcome and thanks! It depends if stiff when not mounted to a camera. If not mounted mine moved freely. If mounted on the M240 and very stiff that's because it isn't really designed for that camera and can't move freely. See comment i've added above about which Leica cameras it works on.
Ok ok! Thanks Matt!
Have you ever considered to review Leica R Lenses or cameras?
@@john.galt. No.. only because of all the cameras and lenses I have none are R (I use mostly Leica M and LTM for 35mm (+ some Nikon and others) then MF and LF.
@@john.galt. ..if ever I get some R kit i'll be sure to share it! :)
I brought the V5 based on your video. I am wondering how this lens performs differently from the Rigid. The rigid was the first none USSR lens I brought and have been my standard for all other 50mm lenses after.
Sharp from 2.0, but with less contrast then other lenses, but I used it in high contrast situations to my advantage wide open.
Thanks Bart, I don’t have the rigid but the DR sounds similar and is also excellent.
Nice review. Can one use the DR at close focus on a CL without the googles ? And is it safe ( sensor damage ) ?
Hi Carlos, thanks! Yes, you need to depress the little "button" on the top of the lens and you can. Nothing moves back into the camera so it is safe.
Hi Matt, firstly thanks so much for your reviews- love them. I have the new film MP and was just if the 50mm f2 DR will be fully functional ? Secondly would you recommend more of a character lens like the DR or the Voitlander 1.5 for film rather than than the 50mm summicron ? Cheers
Hi Bernard, thanks. Yes the DR will work fine. Is it the best choice.. it depends on what you like. Each 50 has pros and cons. If you visit MrLeica.com I list quite a few 50s and also the option to book a Zoom call where I help photographers buy the equipment that suits their needs.
Voigtlander 1.5 is smaller lighter faster and also great. Both lenses have their fan club!
I'm considering buying my first leica lens. I'm very torn between the summicron dr and the summicron 1.5. which one you'd say is a better all around lens, and witch one is sharper @f/2 and more stopped down? I shoot both digital and film
"Summicron" means f2. So if you mean DR vs Summarit 1.5 I prefer the DR as much sharper, less glow, and can focus close. :) ..see MrLeica.com reviews for sample images from both
Non DR version called rigid works well on digital M Leicas. DR can be modified to work . That said the wide open performance improves on every version 1 to 5. The APO will blow your socks off. The DR and Rigid are mechanical perfection.😃
Thanks! Yes I have the similar performance 50 APO Lanthar.
I absolutely love my Dual Range, it lives on my M2.
Thanks John we have similar taste! :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom so it seems. :-)
@@highlander200107 I have a lot more lenses to review so we shall see to what extent! :)
John, is your DR focus ring also quite stiff? Like, I really can’t focus with one finger...not sure if this is normal for these.
@@kubowich I can focus with a single finger , but only just.
8:51 whaaaat I didnt know it could do that. i got my leica m3 from my grandpa and I always thought that addon thing is just so you can use a e.g. 90mm lens and have the same 90mm in your rangefinder.
Hey Ben, haha your Grandpa had a great taste in cameras :) No that's only for that lens.
Hi matt i have a question will the DR focus to infinity with the m9 ?
I can't remember from memory, please check my details mrleica.com DR post for full details
I wonder how the collapsible Summicron 5cm 2.0 performs. I've heard HCB and photographers like Saul Leiter loved that lens. The one from the 50s.
Hello, I have the collapsible Summitar 50 f2 which pre-dates the Cron (see that video). They are excellent and the later Cron was sharper than my earlier lens. HCB and the like could use any lens to get great results so any vintage 50mm will give a similar look to what you like. See some of my many 50mm vids for more lens options.
Matt, what do the goggles actually do? change magnification or correct the parallax? I have a 35 2.8 with goggles and those definitely change magnification
Depends on the lens. On the 35 it let’s you use a 35 on the M3. (Which has 50mm finder). On the DR and Elmar it lets you focus closer than the standard 0.7m-1m
I have specs for my 50mm DR summicron which gives an image through the viewfinder of my M4P which is out of alignment (higher) with the camera viewfinder image............... am I right in saying that this can be corrected by rotating the (prism)glass in the specs ?
Hi Patrick, i've not had experience with this as mine work OK. Perhaps check Google to be sure. Sorry.
**Additional information from the www.MrLeica.com blog relating to anyone interested in the Summicron DR:
What camera will the Leica Summicron 50mm f2 DR lens work on and to what extent?
> Leica film camera (M2, M3, M4P, M6 Classic) - YES (Fully functional)
> Leica M8 - Partially (1m-4m range only). The close focus goggles will not fit the camera body due to the body shape.
> Leica M9 - Partially (1m-4m range only). The close focus goggles will not fit the camera body due to the body shape.
> Leica M240 - Partially (0.478m-1.2m only). Close focus goggles will fit but no infinity focus. To attach/ remove the DR lens from a Leica M240 camera ensure the lens is set to less than 1m*
> Leica CL - YES (Fully functional)
> Lumix GH5 - For completeness - YES (Fully functional)
Matt, not sure if I got it all right. Did you refer to all digital Leicas when you said, that it won't work to full range in modern Leicas? Does that include the old M8?
Hi Theo, please check the www.MrLeica.com review for the DR (search DR), as I cannot remember but I did document it there for M8, M9, M240.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thank you Matt. I can't remember myself. I'll watch the DR video again. Thaks for sheding a light on all Leica world. That's very informative, especially for me and all those who are new to the L world. Keep up the good world
@@TheoDahlemPickups no problem, yes I think she’s the blog if not specified in the video
Comparing the DR to the 5th version on film at over 1 meter focus did you notice any difference in quality, resolution, contrast wide open between the lens? thanks. great video by the way. Matt, I have been told by an excellent camera repairman that the best rangefinder camera ever made was the Zeiss Contax 11a. He thinks the Contax11a is made better than the M3 especially internally which is all metal in the contax. He also thinks the rangefinder is better in the Contax. . In the near future i am going to buy a Contax 11a and have it cla'd and check it out. It's a beautiful camera. I shoot film only and currently shoot a M6 and a 111f . The M6 was purchased new in 1989. I have not shot an MP. I think the best leica made was the M4 which I have had 2. Have not tried the M5.
Hi John, sorry I missed this. I've not done side by side detailed testing between the 2 lenses but I generally seem to prefer the DR. I'm not saying it is better but it focuses closer so that is the main reason I use it.I have a Contax iiia. Nicely made yes but the M3 is far better in terms of useability. The RF is far better on the M3, no contest. I've not even put film in the Contax I was that unimpressed. The iia might be even nicer made but unless the RF patch was improved then I dont rate it sadly. Try before you buy! :) Great to hear you have a M6 and iiif. I like my iif and the M6 is a good investment it seems! :) I've not shot a M4 M5 or MP.
Matt, thanks for your reply. I have often wondered about whether the different versions of the 50 summicron are substantially different in quality? I have a 4th version and see no reason to even compare it to latter versions. Your comment on the Contax 111a is appreciated. The rangefinder is identicle to that found in 11a. Your portraits are great and thanks again for the reply. je
@@johnelder7449 thanks John 👍🏻
Im looking for another 50mm for my M2. I currently use my Elmar f2.8, which makes a good job, but I am looking for a more modern and sharper look. So i have the option to choose between a Zeiss Planar or an used Summicron DR. I don’t know if a 50-60 Year has the same performance, than the new one.
BTW your portraits are amazing!
Thanks Hans! I'm not sure you should by the DR for a modern look. It is amazing no question but you need higher contrast for a modern look. Check my Summarit 50 2.5 video as an option. I done use my Summicron v5 if you did decide you wanted that lens. I've not got around to selling it yet.
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Thank you! I will check it out.
@@Hans_Holt no problem! :)
Thanks, Matt. Really interesting video and very helpful. A question: I follow what you say about the DR Summicron and how it can't be used at infinity on the M240. I have an M9 and an M9M: would the Rigid Summicron pose any problems with them or with later M models, or is the issue restricted to the DR version? Many thanks!
John McDade Hi John thanks. The DR will focus at infinity on the M8 and M9 but the goggles won’t fit due to the camera body shape. I’ve not tried a Rigid but I’m 90% sure it’s only the DR with limitations (I’ve got a lot of lenses (will review as get time!) and the DR is the only one not to work fully.
John McDade Hi John thanks. The DR will focus at infinity on the M8 and M9 but the goggles won’t fit due to the camera body shape. I’ve not tried a Rigid but I’m 90% sure it’s only the DR with limitations (I’ve got a lot of lenses (will review as get time!) and the DR is the only one not to work fully.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Many thanks for this, Matt. Great video again!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I tried DR on my M8, it can be mounted, but I can not turn the lens.
@@csuedn Yes the lens should work 1m-4m on M8 approx. (if set to 0.9m before mounting).
Is the stiffer focus ring normal for the DR? Not sure if I should get it lubed.
I would say no to normal. You can look to get it relubed if gets too bad.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom well, are you able to move your ring with one finger? I can’t.
Any chance of a review of the Voigtländer 50/1.2 VM Nokton ASPH in the future?
Hi Peter, if I get chance to test one I will of course. I’ll see what I can try to arrange.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thanks!
If you had to pick only one 50mm lens to go with an M3, would you pick the Summicron DR or the Summarit 1.5?
Hi Richard, DR for sure. Does close focus too and not overly soft (actually pretty sharp, just low contrast).
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thanks for your reply.
Can one successfully use the DR on a Sony Mirrorless Camera?
I've never used a Sony camera but I think yes via a Leica M adapter. Don't use the goggles, just press the button for close focus.
What's your opinion of the old collapsible Summicron?
Hey Jake, sorry for late answer, trying to catch up! I don’t have it but I have the earlier Summitar. Makes for a smaller setup than a rigid although many seem to like the DR or the rigid the best so I’m not sure if that means they are optical that different.
Incase I want to use DR with my non-Leica camera. Would DR still work from 1m - infinity?
Thank you.
On full frame it should, on crop body it should too. There are some limitations on some of the digital Leica RF cameras.
..see it perform well in the recent 50mm shoot out vid!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom thanks!!
I got the 50's one but without the extra goggles. I'm still happy with it as I only paid 10 euro for it but still. That hurts.
10 Euros! ..for the lens bag or the lens!? :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom The lens itself :) There was also a Hektor 135mm f4.5 but it was gone before i could buy it
I have got a m3 and some old summicron lenses as this from my grandfather, but the Fokus is not turning. How can I fix it ?
Hi, you can get the lens serviced and/or buy another lens to use on it.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom ok thx
Great video, quick question for you, you keep saying NOT point nine meters? Can you please let make know what word you are saying? Thank you.
Thanks, yes sorry here we say "naught" point nine.. I guess zero point nine would translate easier but we never really say that. Sorry it wasn't clear.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thank you for the explanation :) appreciate your videos and your reply.
@@2311R thanks no problem!
Does anyone know what the sharpest aperture is on the 50mm dual range?
It’s f5.6 on most lenses
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thanks Matt.
i have the DR and i use it on my M3, but on my M8 it only focuses from 1m to 3m ;(
Thanks Ricardo for sharing, yes i've now added a comment will information from the blog as what cameras it works on. M8/M9 no close focus, M240 only close focus (in brief). ..sadly!
R u saying if I want infinity on my Dr. I need to attach the goggle?
No the opposite, remove goggles for infinity.
Hi Matt, I just got my DR. And I am using it on my mp240, it's true that I can't go infinity. However if you go all the way to 8m, n use F8 to F16. You can still get infinity because the aperture bypass the depth of field. I'm kinda not sure if I should return it or keep it at the moment lol
What do you think abou summicron R 50mm?
Hi it’s said to be great but I’ve not shot with R glass so far. I like the smaller M system.
Well you have since this post and the pics are amazing!
I don't believe it was mentioned in the video, but some GRIND away the protrusion of the DR close focus portion of the RF cam (It then fits on any camera). This extended cam is what obstructs and causes issues in many modern digitals (this protrusion encounters the internal baffles and photocell housing etc.). - Please DON"T grind/mod this collectable lens; there's no turning back when this is mod is performed. - I'm a Leica tech and I do get this request on occasion (easily done when the lens is all apart). BUT, I refuse on principle to provide this service/butchery...
Thanks for the info. Yes no grinding for me! I've had no issues with my DR. The only lens similar that wont mount on my SL is the Nikkor 50mm f1.2
Any Zeiss ZM lenses ?
Hi Giles yes but not this week. I will need to do another batch of videos at a later date! You can see some ZM write ups on my blog, see the www.mrleica.com Leica tab lens list.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom cheers
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thanks!
There is no better 50mm lens on Earth than the LEICA SUMMICRON-M 50mm f/2.
The SUMMICRON is the world's reference for a 50mm photographic lens.
The LEICA SUMMICRON has always been the world's standard for performance, and the newest version prove that this reputation is earned, not given. This is an extraordinary lens.
Because every other LEICA SUMMICRON f/2 lens has been updated to ASPH (28mm in 2000, 35mm in 1996, 75mm in 2005 and 90mm in 1998), a LEICA SUMMICRON-M 50mm f/2 ASPH seems like a logical update, however LEICA says this is unlikely simply because the performance can't be much improved, but the price would become about the same as the f/1.4, so why bother.
There is no better 50mm lens, or any lens for that matter.
This the review from Ken Rockwell that made my mind up to purchase one.
Thanks Alan, see my recent 50mm shoot out video, cron 50 R vs M :)
I once had both DR (with goggle) and summicron v5 and I sold the summicron v5 . On film photography , the DR would be the instant go to lens , especially for the black white film. I also use goggle from time to time.
This is example of my photos using the goggle
instagram.com/p/BpB7G_th4Sk/?igshid=12wfjl9bsj0en
Thanks Premy, yes DR is a lovely lens (especially) ..nice film shot!
Are you trying to flex your black and white photos? Because it’s not helpful at all
Hi Jhon, thanks. I just shared photos shot with the lens(es). Most people prefer the photography to the information but I try to keep it mostly info.
Matt, the vintage 50 summicron DR is heavier than the non-DR version because the DR has a brass lens barrel versus the single range, which is aluminum, or aluminium for Brits.