JWST Finds a Bizarre Galaxy In Early Universe That Appears Dead
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Anton is my favorite space weatherman
Still the best channel on RUclips. Anton does it right. Consistent quality content by a genuine person. I learn something new every day
As good as The Dodo with cute animals being rescued? Shirley, you jest! Just kidding. Loves me some AP.
Simply a wonderful person.
A few months ago, I think Anton was briefly seduced by the dark side and sank into titles so clickbaity and cringeworthy that I just about unsubscribed. I'm really glad to see he's gone back to honest titles that let the science sell itself.
I concur I wish he could go more direct the topic
"Answers in genesis." Channel.
I'm still searching for the Restaurant at the End the Universe. 🙂
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It’s at the end of time technically, not the physical universe, so it will be awhile… 🎉
I preferred the Big Bang Burger Bar. The food's not as good, but the customers are more interesting.
Just find one that serves botulism.
Idgaf, I come to Anton to learn about what's happening in the science world. He doesn't play, he lays it out straight. Years of trustworthy science videos. His is probably one of the most reliable channels on RUclips. Pure passion for science, no BS.
Hello Wonderful Anton, person here. Just a comment for the algorithm.
@@poortasteinporn whoosh
@@poortasteinpornnah, they're giving Anton that 'wonderful' honorific, so they're doing it correctly. I've been around since this was What Da Math, so... I understood them immediately. 😄
The algorithm has sadly adapted to "for the algorithm" comments. 😢
@@chrischaplin3126Clever Algorithm.
Hello weezwer wonderful Zyo117 here, have a good day!
Direct observations that disagree with assumptions.....are evidence that the assumptions are wrong. At best our models are hopelessly incomplete. Coming up with reasons for the near weekly anomalies observed by JWST being "outliers" is not logical. If there are anomalies everywhere we look, they are by definition NOT outliers. Our hypotheses are not supported. I really hope there are theorists working on new hypotheses. Anton, you are still wonderful. That's unrelated!
there is no chance anyone will let go of their big bang bs model. they will have to die off before we get a realigning of astrophysics.
@@IDontBuyIt50Gotta love complete jesters like you pretending to know what science is
As a species we have only been observing and theorising for a very short time… not long ago the earth was the centre of the known universe and everything revolved around us. We still know so very little.
That‘s partly a misunderstanding. They are outliers because the wast majority of what we see does support our theories. But you don‘t get famous with „2 millionths normal unremarkable galaxy found“. But yes, theorists obviously are working on new theories. But there is another possible failure point: our theories could be correct but the computersimulations are never „complete“ but in fact are simplifications. Because well, to correctly simulate the whole universe ib every detail you would need the whole universe and not just a tiny computer xD so while theorists are working ob new theories, others are trying to look at the computer models and see where we might hace simplified too much or misapplied our existing theories and in many cases that alone has improved a lot of how close we came to measurable reallity.
"Hopelessly incomplete" is way over exaggerated. Most of these outliers are only barely outside of our predictions. Incomplete? Yes. Hopelessly so? No. If only because our theories do work 99.9% of the time.
It does exist, so therefore it SHOULD exist. The correct way to describe it is that we don't understand why it exists. It's hubris to think that we know what the universe should or shouldn't do.
Once is an accident. Twice is a coincidence. Thrice is a pattern.
In engineering, I like to say: if it happened once, it will happen again. You just need to give it more time/samples.
That's life in general too.
the big bang happened once. you saying it will happen again?
@@hexagon8899maybe it happened multiple times (with multiverse; whatever multiverse interpretation you find more credible)
@@hexagon8899 Nobody knows that for sure...
That's how I dumped 2 of my exes.
You never cease to amaze me. Thanks Anton for sharing your insight
As just a someone curious about these subjects, i would like to bring some guesses:
1. gas in the front provoking additional disturbances to the spectrum?
2. we understood the expansion wrong and the expansion graph maybe doesn't look like an exponential?
3. the universe is older than we think? (maybe this point has connections to the hypothesis 2)
Those are your guesses. Here are mine:
1. The galaxy had a close encounter with something massive that stripped its gas. Something we can't see - like a large rogue black hole, or a big chunk of dark matter.
2. It actually has a partner galaxy that stripped its gas, but something between here and there is blocking our view of the partner.
3. The big bang wasn't a one-time event, but something that occurs every few tens of billions of years. So this would be a remnant from the last cycle.
Here's my guess: massive emissions early in it's formation drove off most of it's free gas, the gasses have presumably long-since returned.
@@chriswilliamson9993 Oooh, spooky #3. But if that were the case, how would we be able to see those galaxies at all? Wouldn't they be beyond our own observable universe?
@@chriswilliamson9993 yeah, "guess" is a better word, lol
@@chriswilliamson9993 Point 3; Cyclical Universe. Im with you, has been my thought for the last 25ish years. 👍
Thank you for providing the science without the hype. So much interesting stuff on your channel and very much to the point and highlighting where it fits into (or conflicts) with our current models. This is one of my favorite things about this channel. Theory discussed in terms of observations.
We are so lucky to be alive at a time when all these objects are visible to us. The magnificent beauty of it all is breathtaking. We are truly fortunate. ❤
Dead galaxy near the beginning of the universe? Sounds like the galaxy from the cult classic videogame called Spore... 💀
I love spore
Ja też lubię spore. Małe mnie nie zadowalają
Spore was one of the last innovative games I can really think of.
@@omnicideoscopy they were talking about videogames, not male biology in bed 🙁
@@JackAtlass ill touch you in your special place🤓
Clearly, aliens did this.
This is without a doubt one of my fave channels on RUclips!
Wonderful as always Anton. Thank you. 🤘🙂
A dead Galaxy? And so it begins!...
......far far away
@markgarin6355 actually in our backyard
more like "..., and so it ends ..."
Weekend at Galaxy's
@@markgarin6355Meanwhile, closer to home, a fictional galaxy lies, dying, its desiccated not-yet corpse marked with a DNR sign next to its hospice bed, mute, but with live eyes, watching and waiting, for someone ...
Nice work Anton, I really like your videos!
Fascinating.. Thank you for doing research for the wonderful people!
Great post, thank you Anton.
29 billion light-years away. That in itself, is mind-boggling and difficult to comprehend. Wow!
Thanks for another wonderful person educational video, Anton! You sir, are my hero! Thanks for all you do!
29 billion light-years away in a universe 13.8 billion years old? How does that trickery work? :/
Great topic , thank you Anton
Thank you for sharing your Wo derful research/knowledge
Such an Ocean of Time out there. Incomprehensible. Terrifying. Beautiful. Thank You, Anton. Stay Wonderful.
Great knowledge, thanks 👍😊
thank you very muchly Anton for showing us such beautiful universal things
Always wondered if our universe goes through bangs and crunches then what if there were very old dead galaxies giving out their last light right before the crunch. The light then finally makes it to us by chance.
The crunch would overwhelm that light, as well as everything else.
Being an ancient galaxy, could we assume that early stars, of the type you have sometimes describe; very large, low metalicity and short lived, populated this galaxy. There must be some mechanism, perhaps based on the distribution of available mass, by which there is too little concentration to make stars.
Excellent analysis 👍
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Excellent! As more mysteries the better!
Gracias Antón...desde Bilbao 👍
great topic....thx
Best space content channel on RUclips ❤
Love this type of info
I love these titles, bizarre galaxy with very intriguing mysterious stuff found inside and such 😅
You make learning so fun
Thanks again Anton
Perhaps it aligns perfectly with logic. It's conceivable that the galaxy is genuinely ancient and delineates the perimeter where a Big Bounce occurred, leading to the expansion of new matter and galaxies. It could be as straightforward as that.
Thank you.
scientists: we're pretty sure we got all of our theories right!
JWST: let me introduce myself.
If they were right we wouldnt need JWST in the first place
I'm pretty sure a real scientist wouldn't be so ignorant they'd make a stupid claim like that.
Scientists are never sure only charlatans
@@exceptionallyaverage3075 Not many would, but then there are the Avi Loebs of science...
@Ann-snowshoeingonEnceladus There are grifters everywhere.
Boom JWST again! Almost every day this week - another one - another one :)
worth every penny :)
Very interesting!
Thanks Anton for another fascinating segment! The more scientists discover the less they know. The more we know the less we know. That in itself makes it all the more mind blowing.
So I guess it makes sense why humanity, knowing that it will never reach a full view and understanding of the universe via the senses and intellect, it seeks answers through mysticism, meditation or other contemplative practices, religious faith, beliefs, theology and cosmologies.
Love the wonders science is able to discover and bring to light. Thanks Anton!
Lovely, new observations to shake our current science a little up
Hello Wonderful Anton, Another Person here! Thank You for being Awesome!
Thanks Anton
I'm glad you explained that "green valley" galaxies aren't visually green, since I know that green stars are impossible and I wondered how a galaxy could look green if a star can't.
I was really into quenching back in my college days.
When things are found that 'shouldn't exist' our science needs to be revisited, reality doesn't seem to care about our theories, it's a continuing exploration.
anton petrov has great videos all round
Hi Trolls - thanks Anton good knowledge
Still So much to discover, Wish I was 40 years younger, not that that would make a gram/ounce of difference! TFS, GB :)
"shouldn't exist" always feels like the scientists have an inflated ego.
"Our models can't describe" is more accurate and without ego.
We don't decide what galaxies exist. We observe them and describe what we see
Well, how are you being helpful at all? Why don't you figure out why?
When learning hurts your feelings you should quit science😅😂. Try philosophy and science fiction if you don’t value empirical data
_"shouldn't exist" always feels like the scientists have an inflated ego._
Is this what the scientists actually say, though? Or is it perhaps what science reporters say when they try to communicate the contents of scientific research to us laymen?
your ego is inflated, when anton is saying "shouldnt exist" the (per our current understanding/models) is being IMPLIED
this type of news are interesting because it will make our models more future proof by confronting the things it doesnt work around well.
it's not for you to have some powertrip over
chill out
I never learned much by my success. I learned from my mistakes.
man i like your vids .....your one of very few on youtube that i know is not full of crap when they talk about space stuff
3:10 I say it formed quite a few Pop 3 stars, which then combined with the AGN to blow itself out.
I know it sounds silly, my favorite part of any video is the “Hello wonderful person”
I always say “Hello Anton” out loud when he says it. I can’t not say it now. 🤭
The Universe is showing that it has a consciousness and quite the sense of humour because it's showing us more and more of its treasures that just should not be able to be. Talk about helping to re-educate us in our learning and understanding too.
Technically speaking, each of us is a little clump of the universe that is aware of itself. Of 7 billion sentient pieces of the universe on earth, you have to wonder how much more of the universe is aware of its own existence.
Thanks ☺
This hints to me that maybe there is something to that new theory of a 27 billion year old universe. I keep hearing these tantalizing crumbs, but honestly, I don't see how there could be an old universe without dark matter, as dark matter seems a bit too integral to our understanding of galactic motion to be a mere artifact.
I look forward to hearing more about the earliest universe and it's influence on our present day universe.
When we look at galaxies we're looking back in time. I wonder how many of these have planets that now have evolved like earth. We won't know unless we can send something to travel there
Holy moly, Anton just dives right in, gets out the "Hello, wonderful person" in under 20 seconds lol
also
"The first billion years of The Existence" lol
In a world of ads that have their own ads followed by more ads, I appreciate you Anton xx
@7:00 ...they're pining for the fjords?
Hi. Long time viewer, seldomly asking anything. But now I wonder. How can we see galaxies temporarily pausing star formation? It's not like they're stopping star formation for 20 years, and we happened to observe that time frame - right? How do we know this? I'm really curious to know what you're referring to and how it is possible to observe.
Trying to understand galaxies at a distance is always a challenge. Maybe the gas is dispersed to come back together millions or years in the future.
I am inclined to think this is the reason. That's why it would be great if we could calculate the central black hole's mass, since it could have been too small, or too big, quenching this galaxy in two different, yet similar ways.
Yeah, drawing any conclusions from like two pixels, there’s got to be a significant amount of guesswork involved
"Confirmed to be somewhat strange" wow, I can relate to that. lol
All this news about this or that galaxy leaves out the RA (right ascension) an Decl (declination). Right ascension is approximately the hour and minute a star is overhead on a line from north to south on the first day of fall. (That's not exactly accurate about the calculation but it's an easy way to imagine it.) Declination is Earth's latitude projected out to the stars but north latitudes are + and south latitudes are - .
My question is: Is there a cluster of phenomena in any direction?
"Incomplete" is a good word for 'Wrong", I'm going to use it going forward.
Maybe its a rogue galaxy from another universe ? 😮
How much closer together was everything back then? Laurie NZ. 😊
I would really be interested to find out the mass of this galaxy's central black hole. It could have possibly quenched this galaxy if it was either too small or too big. By not pulling the surrounding gas inward strongly enough, or if all of the star forming and big black hole radiation winds dispersed the gas too thin, not being able to pull it back in again.
It will always be a guessing game until we get out there and find out, i often wonder whats beyond what we can see because I can guarantee we cannot see everything yet or understand it either
Yes... I think theirs more to our universe than what we can see. Maybe the tired light theory may still hold some solid truth to it. Who knows? I really hope theirs something beyond what we can see. I mean, we are nearing the edge of the very limits of capabilities of what we can see. At some point, we will have no choice but to build massive telescopes to see even further because that's gonna be the only few ways left to see even further
We cant see much further because time gets in the way@@andrewreynolds912
Getting out there will be impossible without fusion it's gonna be a shield and propulsion at the same time.
@@de4ds1ghtcsgo94 yep
The more we learn, the more questions we have to ask.
When they say that a galaxy looks green in the ultra violet spectrum what exactly does that mean? Green is a color we recognize from the visual spectrum. The frequency of the upper end of the visual spectrum is just slightly less than double the lower end meaning that we see about 1 octave of light. That means that green has a specific chromatic harmony range around a C note in the 44th octave. Technically frequencies of light that are factors of two to the frequency range of green could be considered green in terms of harmonic resonance in different octaves, but I imagine that is not what they are referring to, because the application of music theory for understanding light harmonics hasn't really taken off yet in the broader scientific community, so I wonder what criteria actually were they using to assign a green color to part of the ultraviolet spectrum?
Why would we think that elliptical galaxies with little new star formation weren't possible early on? To be elliptical, the galaxy only needs to have low angular momentum. Which is a function of random process of coalescence, not of galaxy's age.
Cool story bro
Maybe is a Type III civilization that used all the energy of their galaxy very soon
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It seems it would be awful early, developing without any setbacks, for such a stage to be reached. And whatever the evolutionary process their civilization developed by, that really condenses the development of a Type 3 or 4 into a straight line. That seems unrealistic, at best.
there is it. Feyman Paradox solution, we have "seen" the footprint of a Type III.
It would be very likely be far too early for any multicellular life to develop, let alone technologically advanced civilisations to arise. Also the metallicity present at this epoch would be minimal / absent, and so there would be no rocky planets with silicates, and certainly no metals present necessary for both advanced biological life and technology.
@DrMichaelRoach it might be extremely unusual galaxy, or a lot of unlikely one in a quadrillion events happened.
Or maybe it's precursor life from the hot soup era of the galaxy or something even weirder
I agree that the standard model of the universe is incomplete. It wasn't that long ago that we discovered how abundant red and brown dwarf star were. We still don't know how many planetary black holes are in the universe and complete understanding of the impact that gravitational waves have in the galaxies and the universe.
Reminds me of "The Ghost Galaxies" by Piers Anthony.
Very good morning Gnuida
Ok, so this got me thinking, although I'm not sure how to explain it but will try.
If we receive light from a distant galaxy such as this and during its time while traveling here to us, that light gets stretched.
So, to know the true wavelength of light at the time that it left the galaxy, wouldn't we need to calculate/ extrapolate that wavelength back over time and it's distance to work out what it's real wavelength would be when it left the galaxy?
If so, is this something we already do?
The reason I ask is that I often hear people talking about the images we receive and the wavelength but what we receive is how that wavelength of light appears to us now, having been stretched because of distance and not how it was at the time of it leaving the galaxy we are observing.
If we are not doing this then surely we would be making false assumptions about the observed galaxy as we are doing so based on how it seems to us because of wavelength stretching and not how it was at the time of its departure.
I Hope this makes some sense at least, lol! 😂
Its gotta be an ancient galaxy and the metallicity has to be off the charts
imagine we found a gas cloud of pure hydrogen that is forming a pop 3 star or a found a mature one, likely hidden in a gas cloud.
Very cool.
Obviously the red shift is because the dominant civilisation in that galaxy has decided to move it away from the galaxy occupied by humans.
Who can blame them?
What would we see if a galaxy just beyond the edge of our visual limit (due to the expansion of the universe) was flung towards us at a fraction of light speed? Could it be that an older galaxy would look younger due to movement overcoming part of the expansion phenomenon?
I’m increasingly convinced that there was just stuff here before the Big Bang and there’s big bangs happening randomly every 14 billion years or so all over the universe
Of course, we are also used to seeing the cosmos as a perfect overall structure.
But this cosmos also has its chaotic and destructive properties... 🔭
Is that ton 618? It's a black hole big enough to fit 16 galaxies side by side inside of it.
In a galaxy a long time ago....Great topic, can galactic winds create constructive and destructive waves in the early universe? If so, this one got robbed of enough hydrogen and was starved, or got too much hydrogen and burned out. It does appear to be all by itself, or orphaned. Any Superstars detected by JWST?
So seemingly galaxies can go dorment in their lifespan? WILD 😮
Or:
Our way to measure distances is wrong since the beginning and every follow up therory therefore, is also wrong.
Correct..they are wasting our time. Confusion is the game...
Can AI map lensed galaxies to show a more accurate image. This would be extremely difficult with minimal data available. Possibly using many potential images to find a common or more likely one. Rather than just showing light wavelength data. And possibly mass or other useful details.
Since JWST is showing the Big Bang theory to be in error, referring to this timeline would also be in error. We can see there was no dark ages per se and it is clear that we need to work from the assumption that the universe is far older than previously imagined via the big bang theory.
03:47. Why does this look like an alcohol drops, over acrylic type painting? Is it the same physics going on? Laurie. NZ. 😊
me personally think universe is older then current beliefs.
Why?
Dougie should have said way. I don't know why he thinks he knows the answer to everything. He's like a bot that's trolling everyones comments!
Because this is not universe, but multiverse
And much larger.
The universe always existed the Big Bang is just what we see as the expansion of stuff
Is the Cosmic Microwave Background radiation frequently remapped? Or was it only done a few times?
It's what it is. It was a one time event, back a specific extremely short time after the beginning of the universe. It's sort of an afterglow left over from the moment in time that energy first started being emitted, once the plasma cooled to that point.
It's been double-checked more than once, if that's what you mean.
@@MaryAnnNytowl : Double-checking is what Yez meant.
It's a one-time event, but the way it looks from our perspective will change over time, as the light reaching us from that event comes from farther and farther away
The CMBR was first mapped from space with the soviet RELIKT I in 1983, followed by COBE c.1990, but those did not provide very much detail. Much better images came with WMAP (2001-2010), and Planck (2009-2013). That's the best and most recent full sky survey we have, currently.
I'm not aware of any definitive successors to Planck in development at this time, but we will almost certainly launch more eventually, when the technology reaches the point where the improvement in resolution is significant enough. Right now we are still busy sifting through the info we have already gotten.
It was repeated with a better resolution probe. The knots and the voids were even more clearer.
Can JWT show us decent pics of planets of other galaxies? Or better yet…. Why not detailed pics of OUR outer planets Jupiter/Neptune/Uranus?. Not that we aren’t interested in the rest of the universe but If they can look to the edge of the observable universe, imagine the amazing imitates they cld get of our own universe!!!
Also I’m fairly ignorant to how the JWTS works so please by all means all corrections/discussions are welcome 😊
The Webb sees in completely different spectrum than we see. It sees the light energy, for lack of a better term, when it's just heat of one level or another, which is called infrared. That's one reason why it can't point towards our sun. Way too hot for it, it would burn out Webb's image sensors.
It has, though, taken some images of Jupiter and such. Those would be on NASA's website, as well as videos here on YT.
I hope that helps.
JWST cannot image planets in other galaxies unless a unique gravitation lens makes it possible. The closest major galaxy -- Andromeda -- is 2,000,000 light years away.
I think it’s all data that is put together, it’s all artistic interpretation of data? I don’t think it actually takes pictures it just gathers data and we build it into a picture. I think. I could be wrong tho.
@@traverserred When it comes JWST, I believe you are correct. I do not think JWST has an optical camera whatsoever, if you want real pictures some exist though. The crafts we sent into the atmosphere of Jupiter (JUNO I believe it's called) took optical images of Jupiter, there's also pictures of Neptune, Venus etc. that are optical.
There's a pixel on your t.v. If you walk up to it, i am sure you can see it and describe it. Now blast the T.V. off into orbit and attempt to observe the pixel from the ground. That's basically what the James Webb is doing. Most of this stuff its observing is basically invisible.
This seems strangely familiar to a Dr who episode I once saw
Yes, that is bizarre!
“Back in the days” = several billion years ago 🤔
I really wish he'd stop using that slang, it makes no sense and really distracts from what he's saying.
It depends in which context you are using it. In this situation, yes it is several billion years ago.
“Everything is Relative” it’s the first thing you learn in Astronomy 😊
Before or after learning a day is 1 revolution of The Earth, which didn't exist yet? @@nilo70