I have autism myself as well as other learning difficulties however I am extremely shocked and horrified and frankly utterly humiliated to be having the same condition that shares the same name as someone who thinks it’s funny to throw a child off a building and I would urge the public not to go during their conclusions from what the media try to tell you and if anyone has any questions about autism feel free to ask me
Thanks for sharing, Charlie. I absolutely agree. Nobody should make generalisations about mental illnesses. I hope that videos like mine can help reduce stigma,
British society is already incredibly hostile towards people with disabilities, especially “invisible” ones such as ASD. The routine discrimination and BS we put up with is however immaterial to what this individual did. It was premeditated and evil. Yes mitigating circumstances and all that - which is why he’s not in a regular prison. I suspect he’ll be institutionalised for life.
I think the wording 'learning disabilities including autism' is deeply problematic. It would be more accurate to say the individuals you are speaking of have autism and learning disabilities and point out they are seperate but coocurring in many people. I have formal autism and adhd diagnosis and lots of cognitive and processing difficulties, but also have 2 first class honours degrees. It's a difference in processing and communication but is not a learning or intellectual disorder (unless those are also present as cooccuring conditions). This is the kind of comment and thinking that often makes me afraid to seek help from professionals when needed re: family incase they are biased to make assumptions about my suitability to be a parent, etc, without seeing me as an individual, with my own strengths and competences.
I was going to write this, too. Calling Autism a mental illness is also confusing. Autism not being a mental illness is the reason CAMHS give to get out of supporting autistic children all over the country.
Many prefer being called autistic to having autism, but it's an individual preference and some prefer to be called people with autism. From what I can tell most prefer to be called autistic
The judge's sentencing remarks on this case were very informative. The three forensic psychiatrists in this case were equivocal. Two said he should go to Broadmoor, the other opined that his needs could be met via prison mental health services. The judge also had to consider the victim impact. If he'd been given a section 37/41, he could appeal this after six months of being on it. The judge felt the impact on the victim and his family would be appalling, he likely wouldn't have been discharged by an MHRT but the sheer possibility of it would've been horrible for them. Nothing stops him being moved from prison to hospital via 47/49 if needed, so I think the judge made the right call in this man's case.
Surely, based on his assertion that it's the fault of social services being used as a justification shows he knew what he was doing was wrong. Also using this as a trigger for what he did shows his motivation as revenge against whoever he feels is responsible for what he perceives as a slight or a betrayal.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY MR BRAVERY WAS ALLOWED TO ROAM AROUND LONDON ALONE UNSUPERVISED ..ESPECIALLY WHEN HE TOLD MENTAL HEALTH WORKERS HE WANTED TO HURT/KILL SOMEONE. I STRONGLY RECOMMENDED MENTAL HEALTH TEAM'S HAVE EXTENSIVE CHECKS ON THEIR ABILITY AND QUALIFICATIONS BY THE POLICE..THIS CASE IS DISTURBING AS IT COULD OF BEEN AVOIDED
Hi Michael. It's a difficult one. I suppose because he wasn't detained under the mental health act, his carers had no legal recourse to prevent him leaving. Also - him just making threats isn't a crime (especially if they are non-specific). Some people say outlandish things for a reaction. But you're right - it does feel like a risky situation.
@@APsychForSoreMinds Care in the Community has not worked. Thatcher's worst legacy. Full time mental institutes are needed. Too many mentally ill people out there committing murder and seriously injuring innocent people
This was exceptionally good content. With a child who has behavioural issues / Autism / ADHD and severe anxiety that causes physical and verbal outbursts, it is a major concern especially as his school now states there is something else at play and we await CAMHS. I worry for the future but it;s good to see there are people out there who understand the issues
I am autistic, after the trial I want to be a forensic psychologist like Dr Curry 🙌 because I don’t think I am clever enough to do law. But I star in October
😰poor little boy, Bravery knew what he was doing in my opinion. Why the comments when he was arrested? I'm ASD, ADHD and can't imagine hurting a child for Any reason. Nothing justifies throwing a child 100ft to permanent disablement.
I deeply appreciate your content!! I'm autistic and schizophrenic, and suffer with pretty severe paranoia that can be really really debilitating. While my response seems to be more of a fear reaction, and I've never reacted violently, I often fear that I might one day have a delusion so strong that I hurt someone thinking im protecting myself. Because of this, I've second guessed whether or not i should ever marry or have children, both of which I and my partner deeply want.. I hope that a sense of self awareness will help me avoid being dangerous to anyone I love, but that fear will likely rest deep within my heart at all times. :C Reasons like this get me extremely interested in psychology, criminal psychology, true crime, and the like. I'd love to be a criminal psychologist, but my anxiety and social set backs make holding a job and reliably attending class really difficult for me. I really look up to people like you 💕 Thank you for helping me learn about my passions
It was rumoured one of the culprits relocated to Australia and was responsible for the rape and murder of a young girl at a shopping centre, I would like to know if this was him
'People with autism can't communicate'. That's a pretty broad statement. Maybe more accurate would be "some autistic people can't communicate in a manner deemed conventional by neurotypicals". In my experience, even people who aren't verbal can communicate.
Oh I can communicate exceptionally with my autism, but not in a way that people who don’t understand asberges take at face value. It’s complicated but it’s a big tonal and vocabulary issue more than an inability this was said.
This channel seems very interesting: psychiatry & lagality combined. Still I hope for more insight into the mind of the offenders and their disorders. 👍
Could you further examine the relationship between cares, support workers and residents who are in a supportive living environments. The expertise and experience needed by support workers in a challenging environment would also be useful also. What if a support worker in this environment is not really suited to this work? Who tactfully suggests that they are offered alternative employment? What if some can see this and others are unable to see it?
I don’t believe people with certain conditions should not go to jail either criminal populace but they also shoulD not be on the streets either and endangering any more people. I say this as a mum of a non verbal autistic son who has very minimal violent reactions like backhanding if your in his vicinity when he’s melting down or thumping you if he’s in too much pain or overwhelmed. Usually with sound. We avoid my son being around strangers children at all costs and he’s never without an adult. His schooling is a separate room with two staff and he’s being transferred to a school where they is 3/4 students of his age. My son is a very small child of 12 but he is so strong. I am terrified of what will happen to my baby when I pass as no one will understand or love and understand him like I do when I’m gone. It’s my worse fear in life is when I’m taken away from him. Stuff this like and other stories of how children like my son are treated causes me great anxiety and fear in life. We can’t go on holidays or trips as my son 100%times will run away and worse he’s not aware of dangers. Once he got out of window wearing only his nappy and ran down multiple main roads running into traffic and jumping on cars. I think I had nightmares for a good month after that. I’m rambling cos I’m caught in my emotions. I pray my son will be safe and loved and understood in a place that accepts him when I can no longer be here to do it for him in my home.
I want people to do the time for the time for their crimes, if they live in a society they have to fit in. If someone is violent or a threat to others they should not be unleashed on the general public. There a way too many cases of offenders being released by medical "professionals" to hurt someone else. My sons friend was murdered by such a person, the thought that he may now be among us chills my blood. I may sound cold and uncaring to some but, I feel strongly about this. I have family and friends that have mental issues that I love, though if they lash out they should not be in society, it is not fair on others. I think if this was your child it would be a no brainer.
Medical professionals and social services can be difficult to even regularly see some people who live in community with some or little support from a care company…… those in the residential and care settings who support people in the community have so many issues trying to involve the multi-agency team…. To get funding is a nightmare. There were failings for the perpetrator in this case as things were not logged and reported correctly. It doesn’t take away from what this man did…… but working in the sector it is so frustrating as they need the social services and wider NHS psychological interactions more regularly for some.
Hi Dr. Das. I've known & worked for people with abnormal traits & also have family members like this as well. All the way from bipolar to skitsoeffective disorder, narcissistic, etc. Thanks for your videos, they help to understand these personality disorders very very well. Hope you & your family are having a wonderful evening each & every day, love & peaceful times hopefully await you, hugs, Janine Smiley✌👍🎵🎶🦓🦄🐦🐣🦒🐰🐇🐼🐨🐻🐾🐧🦋🌹🌺🌻🌼🌷
Loved it! Very interesting. I wonder if u know the stats re. % offenders with ASD within the asd community vs. % offenders not on the spectrum per the nonàsd community.
I would be interested in your experiences with sexual offenders from a forensic psych point of view. I was involved in a criminal case in 2013/14 in Kent where a 42yr old man with only one DD previous escalated over the space of one year physically assaulted, robbed, sexually assaulted (one case of serious sexual assault) flashed and many accusations of gross sexual misconduct over 100 women (Police personally told me this was the suspicion) and teenage girls. He got a minimum of 12.5 yrs, sex offenders register indefinitely and on license for life. The forensic psych surmised (he had to as the offender stated he couldn’t recall committing these crimes) there was a sadistic element in this case. I agree. John Guscott.
Interesting and intriguing podcast. I've been following this case for some time now and glad I came across this. I'm Extremely passionate about Autism. I'd like to ask you a question as someone on the spectrum. Do you work alongside autistics before making a DSM decision?
Hi Alexander. Thanks for the props. Good question. It depends - sometimes they have been diagnosed long before I assess them. Occasionally they haven't and I suspect this diagnosis. I would make a provisional diagnosis and then refer to a specialist (usually a psychologist, rather than a psychiatrist) who will carry out a series of diagnostic tests - e.g. Autism Diagnostic Interview Revised and the Diagnostic Interview for Social and Communication Disorders.
Hi Dr. Dash thank you for all your educational videos, they are very helpful. I work with autistic adolescents that have challenging behaviours and do attack staffs on regular basis. I was wondering if there are any studies suggesting better path way from one treatments to another( if the word treatments is right here or cognitive development therapy ). How can we make the care given to the child better, so to achieve better outcomes for them and our society. I feel sometimes stuck between hard discipline which is often inforced or want to be inforced by staff, to a more softer approach with a lots more sofness and ampathy. The later isn't predominant in mental health unit. I really want to have hope for the kids I work with. They are so vulnerable and so unable to have a fulfilling life which they craves. I feel that we are working in the dark and that we need more data to see what works best for them. Because they well-being results in a safer and happier society.
This is an excellent channel! Talk about a misnomer though. Mr. Bravery would be better called Mr. cowardly for the way he victimized a defenseless six year old. I hope that child makes a full recovery from both the physical and psychological effects of the crime. I'd happily see Mr. Bravery thrown off that same balcony as punishment. Fifteen years doesn't seem long enough.
This is why I am scared for my 14yr old. They say he has adhd, depression, anxiety but he doesn't qaulify for autism on the ADOS.😐 since he passes the social part. They think that he is doing this.. perhaps they are right.. My gut says there is more and this is why I keep going. I wish we could read thoughts and have brain mapping considered as actual medical documentation 😵💫
@cw9007 I am scared for him because his behaviors are very drastic: fire setting, mixing chemicals, fecal consumption and smearing, stealing, extreme physical and verbal aggression, and destruction of property. None of his previous diagnoses was severe enough to get him the help he needed. If we hadn't had videos of him, he still wouldn't have the autism diagnosis that has provided the therapy that seems to be helping now. Imagine what would happen to him once he turned 18, and he never got the therapy or skills to help his behaviors. Someone did something, and he escalated. Someone could be seriously hurt or dead, and he would be placed in jail. Ya, I was scared for him, and I am a little less scared for his future but now I know we have options in place, places he can go that can help him and keep working on behaviors and skill sets. Hopefully, help him make good decisions as an adult. We have 3 more years of his current ABA therapies, and hopefully, this will make a strong foundation for him.
@@mammaliby5933 thanks for explaining. I thought you were saying your son was not autistic, so I couldn't see the connectiion. My 16-year-old son is also autistic and violent, so I understand your fear.
As an autistic women, these labels can be incredibly damaging. Some days we can't function never mind high! This is an interesting podcast but Dr Das is not a specialist in ASD and it certainly isn't related to mental health, our neurology is different and it's hereditary.
@@itsjust_Lisa I agree that functioning labels can be harmful but because "autistic people with high masking abilities" isn't understandable to the majority of people, sometimes I defer to old terminology for the sake of communicating easier and more efficiently. I'm autistic too, I don't know what our personal identifiers has to do with it. People of the same group disagree all the time. Also, Dr. Das doesn't have to be an expert to talk about ASD. He is a mental health professional who has years more training and experience working with autistic people than myself and presumably you as well. I am curious to know his clinical experience in regards to our demographic, that's why I made the comment. I don't think there's anything wrong with a professional clinician making an educational video about a neurotype.
Very interesting! Found your channel through Josh Miles and I’m glad I did. I watch and listen to a lot of true crime and I’m a psychology major so your channel has it all! I’m hoping you talk about narcissism, because it’s the “diagnosis” so many people are tossing out lately and I think being a narcissist is not the same as having narcissistic tendencies. I’m not a psychiatrist, though!
Evening Dr Das, I so enjoyed the format and therefore the content of this video apposed to your recent format of your videos. Please go back to this, sharing your knowledge, experiences etc rather than the unnecessary content, like the 'Bombay' thing u do etc oh and right in the middle of video u break from the subject of the video to tell us about other videos u have made...no please no. I so want to continue to subscribe and learn your qualified insight to all your channel subjects but with this wonderful format...please? love Alli x
@@APsychForSoreMinds Fab Dr Das, in 2 ways, that u read it as feedback and u r taking it onboard, bless u. Sometimes text can be misconstrued but u read it fabulously. love Alli X
Please could you do a video about workplace bullies and their motivations and profiles? Especially women. Guess why I am requesting this! (Unfortunately, I have been a victim of this recently, along with many other colleagues).
girl i got ONE answer for you!! JEALOUSY!! you keep doing you. there’s clearly something about you whether it be physical or emotional that they are envious of. try to think of the things they bully you about and see if you can boil it down to a quality of yours they wish they had, that they bully you about instead. ❤️
Starting to warm up to you.... Thanks for explaining to people that people with ASD are not violent and are harmless. If anything, Autistic people are usually the victim of targeting for exploitation or physical harm most of the time. I think you were correct that in those two cases they meant no malice and it shows where most have issues understanding social norms and boundaries. However the one who forced a small child to do a header from the observation deck is quite complicated. The ones I think are also responsible are the staff at his special needs living facility. They apparently had plenty of logical reasons to be aware of concerns for letting him wonder around unsupervised. All the evidence for his case cam.from somewhere? I'm not saying that the staff was apathetic or anything to let him go free range but I think it was a hard decision that they decided to not make and they didn't equate the statistical danger for him to not have supervision. He obviously can't ever be left to be in public without professional supervision. Jail is gonna be hell for him much more than nuero-typicals. But he does need to be punished. I think wealthy countries need special facilities for developmental disabled people or certain mentally ill people. Not as harsh as Broadmore (I'm familiar) or a regular prison but not as slack as assisted living. Kinda similar to a correctional facility in Norway. I have a very strong hunch that if he had someone supervising him he would have never done that. And I feel the people responsible for him were supposed to be responsible for him, nomeen? Autism and antisocial PD sounds so counter to logic. Why? It's so illogical to be antisocial or sadistic but autistic people can only truly understand what's logical and that's what we obsessively follow. It's so illogical to intentionally murder a little kid that probably looked like he was excited about being there and he just chucked him off the tenth floor deck??? That's gotta be super rare. A sadistic psychopath with autism. I've, many upon many of times hurt peoples feelings and I feel terrible that I have and I didn't even know that what I said would have upset them so badly. It's tears me up with guilt and hate that I can't recognize until someone points out why that would have upset them. And I apologize and explain that I unaware and hope they can understand that I don't know when I've been an asshole till it's too late. I usually ask if they wanna kick me in the balls if it would make them feel better (they never do) they laugh and we move on. But doing something like that makes.no sense at all.... It's sad and I just hope that kid's condition improves and he doesn't have PTSD from it. My two cents
You may wanna reconsider liking this comment, I was greatly disappointed at your assessment of Johnny Depp after one week of the trial. And it's already not aged well so you might decide to remove your like if you actually read that. Sorry
You mean autistic people are not ALWAYS violent and are USUALLY harmless. Autism very much can and does cause some people to act violently. My son is one of them. However, my son has never planned to be violent, it is an impulsive act during meltdown, which is the usual cause of violence in autistic individuals. If Jonty Bravery pre planned this act of violence, it is likely that had more to do with the personality disorder or something else.
Fascinating, very informative and thought provoking podcast. Remember this case on the news, my heart breaks for that wee boy and his Parents. Working my way through all your videos when time allows! Keep up the great work.
Welcome, Kelly. WHISPERS: the later videos are better, as I was still finding my feet when I first began. The first few I think are a tad too long / too detailed. You might disagree, though.
First of all: Autism is NOT a mental illness. Although sometimes accompanied by, it's in neurological department. I've worked in the family assistance field for years, assigned to a family, the daughter a teenager diagnosed in the autism spectrum with Aspergers. 6 years I worked with that family, the parents uneducated, disfunctional people, with the occasional drinking habit, long term unemployment etc. In my experience with the daughter, and other cases I worked on afterward, I found Asperger being quite different to the other forms in the autism spectrum. Of course the typical social inabilities tend to be the same, as well as learning disabilities and total lack of recognizing emotions. Within others as well as within herself. There were countless violent incidents that happend. Including attacking her mother with a kitchen knife, threatening a girl online to kill her, dismember and bury her only to dig her up to burn the body parts. Those devious thoughts from a then 13 year old girl, who never in her life had seen a horror movie or heard of serial killers. She was also abusive with the pet rabbits the family had. Occasionally she would take them up on the bunk bed in her room to make them fall down from up there, because she was curious to see what would happen, she said. I've worked with clients with early childhood autism and a-typical autism as well. Non of them showed that level of deeply rooted hate and deviance like the girl with Asperger. Same for that grade of violence. People with ASD generally suffer meltdowns that result in crying, screaming and severe anxiety attacks. But never consciously and purposely wanting to hurt people physically on that kind of level.
In court, one psychiatrist may give evidence for the defense whilst another does so for the prosecution which makes me doubt the validity of the profession.
I disagree. It shows the difficulty of figuring humans out. Psychiatry (and quite frankly alot of medical science in general) is half science half art and requires an immense amount of expertise to do it well and u can still be wrong. Sometimes theres just not a black and white answer in medicine and there's no blood test, doesn't mean u throw out the entire profession. The best u can do is a vigorous forthright argument about the issues and hope the judge makes a good decision, but u can't 100% guess what someone's going to in future.
I don't think Dr Das was calling you a toddler, he was saying the more violent outbursts by some people have autism appears similar to a toddler having a tantrum. I don't think he applied judgment to that statement. It does really look like that, that's just how it is.
Dr. Das, first of all, thank you for your channel and podcast. It’s refreshing, and I often steer my students in your direction for various topics of learning. Thank you for sharing that not everyone with ASD is violent or aggressive. There is nothing more damaging than stereotyping an entire group of people based on the population you have worked with or come into contact with. It sounds like those you may work with have a myriad of issues and not just an ASD diagnosis. One point of clarification, however: It’s my understanding that ASD has a dyad of symptoms, or criteria within the DSM 5 and not a triad as you describe. The DSM 5 lumps social communication and social interaction together into one category (A) so that this dyad truly breaks down into social impairments and RRBs, correct?
good Points, Lori. I mentioned the triad because it is much more established conceptualisation that has been accepted for longer. Can I please give a special specific shout-out to your students! Tell them they must subscribe or they will all get detention.
@@APsychForSoreMinds Thank you for your response Dr. Das! I referred to the dyad in my dissertation, so wanted to know your thoughts on the triad you mention from the DSM IV. I appreciate your point of view. College students don't have detention lol. They do, however, benefit from the educational platform you have offered, so thank you again! I look forward to more podcasts/videos to share with them! :)
As someone with ASD I was the victim of constant violence from my father as a child, over minor “transgressions” such as taking a piece of fruit without permission, or putting yeast in a vessel of water to see it anything would happen…
@@APsychForSoreMinds Fuck em. stop letting scum be let off easy due to "mental illness" that their lawyers always claim. Everyone should treated exactly the same or else all of society suffers.
I know what you mean in the sense that when I was the victim of a burglary where I was very nearly at home at the time, in the weeks that followed being anxious about sleeping in my own bed and being unsafe, I felt RAGE at the burglars and I'm not kidding when I say that I would have happily seen their hands cut off like in Saudi Arabia. It seemed a just punishment at that moment! But when I calmed down, I realized that there is a reason we have a justice system that is blind: it is about justice, not revenge.
If I had a condition like Jonty's and this guy turned up to assist me whilst sporting that hairstyle, I would topple myself so my eyes are spared further crimes against hairdressing!
Considering children are unable to disclose their pain, discomfort or anything else before being vaxed and then after, we can not rule out that vax’s don’t at least cause some damage to children. I had my other vax’s but not mmr and I shudder to think about if I did; it may or may not cause it but the severe differences in some people with asd (low/high functioning) can not be overlooked, signed a pattern reading autistic!
Just putting it out there that they base that solely on Wakefield and he at the time wasn't anti vax. He was trying to discredit that MMR so that he could promote his own vaccines instead (sole motivation was profit). In the years since the anti vax movement has taken him as one of their own and he has leaned into that and pivoted that way especially since losing his licence. Either way the MMR vaccine today isn't the same one that was being used when that study was released. From a late diagnosed autistic.
Really enjoying your videos Dr Das. The video about Avery reminded me of this podcast episode which I think you might be interested in as it takes a behavioural perspective of individuals that resort to mass shootings and how their profiles are similar to Avery’s.
I have autism myself as well as other learning difficulties however I am extremely shocked and horrified and frankly utterly humiliated to be having the same condition that shares the same name as someone who thinks it’s funny to throw a child off a building and I would urge the public not to go during their conclusions from what the media try to tell you and if anyone has any questions about autism feel free to ask me
Thanks for sharing, Charlie. I absolutely agree. Nobody should make generalisations about mental illnesses. I hope that videos like mine can help reduce stigma,
The characterism of Autism is extreme and unprofessional. Perhaps you should read the NAS site before taking to the camera.
I have Autism myself and was utterly shocked and saddened by hearing this. 😢
Feel free to do what you want.
British society is already incredibly hostile towards people with disabilities, especially “invisible” ones such as ASD. The routine discrimination and BS we put up with is however immaterial to what this individual did. It was premeditated and evil. Yes mitigating circumstances and all that - which is why he’s not in a regular prison.
I suspect he’ll be institutionalised for life.
Autistic people should be given the blank cheque to do what they want without any consequences whatsoever.
I think the wording 'learning disabilities including autism' is deeply problematic. It would be more accurate to say the individuals you are speaking of have autism and learning disabilities and point out they are seperate but coocurring in many people. I have formal autism and adhd diagnosis and lots of cognitive and processing difficulties, but also have 2 first class honours degrees. It's a difference in processing and communication but is not a learning or intellectual disorder (unless those are also present as cooccuring conditions).
This is the kind of comment and thinking that often makes me afraid to seek help from professionals when needed re: family incase they are biased to make assumptions about my suitability to be a parent, etc, without seeing me as an individual, with my own strengths and competences.
Also, thank you for your interesting content and insights.
I was going to write this, too. Calling Autism a mental illness is also confusing. Autism not being a mental illness is the reason CAMHS give to get out of supporting autistic children all over the country.
Many prefer being called autistic to having autism, but it's an individual preference and some prefer to be called people with autism. From what I can tell most prefer to be called autistic
The judge's sentencing remarks on this case were very informative. The three forensic psychiatrists in this case were equivocal. Two said he should go to Broadmoor, the other opined that his needs could be met via prison mental health services. The judge also had to consider the victim impact. If he'd been given a section 37/41, he could appeal this after six months of being on it. The judge felt the impact on the victim and his family would be appalling, he likely wouldn't have been discharged by an MHRT but the sheer possibility of it would've been horrible for them. Nothing stops him being moved from prison to hospital via 47/49 if needed, so I think the judge made the right call in this man's case.
Thanks for the insights, DK
Surely, based on his assertion that it's the fault of social services being used as a justification shows he knew what he was doing was wrong. Also using this as a trigger for what he did shows his motivation as revenge against whoever he feels is responsible for what he perceives as a slight or a betrayal.
I’m glad my obsessions mostly surround Pokémon rather than throwing children .
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY MR BRAVERY WAS ALLOWED TO ROAM AROUND LONDON ALONE UNSUPERVISED ..ESPECIALLY WHEN HE TOLD MENTAL HEALTH WORKERS HE WANTED TO HURT/KILL SOMEONE. I STRONGLY RECOMMENDED MENTAL HEALTH TEAM'S HAVE EXTENSIVE CHECKS ON THEIR ABILITY AND QUALIFICATIONS BY THE POLICE..THIS CASE IS DISTURBING AS IT COULD OF BEEN AVOIDED
Hi Michael.
It's a difficult one. I suppose because he wasn't detained under the mental health act, his carers had no legal recourse to prevent him leaving. Also - him just making threats isn't a crime (especially if they are non-specific). Some people say outlandish things for a reaction. But you're right - it does feel like a risky situation.
@@APsychForSoreMinds Care in the Community has not worked. Thatcher's worst legacy. Full time mental institutes are needed. Too many mentally ill people out there committing murder and seriously injuring innocent people
Autistics rule
This was exceptionally good content. With a child who has behavioural issues / Autism / ADHD and severe anxiety that causes physical and verbal outbursts, it is a major concern especially as his school now states there is something else at play and we await CAMHS. I worry for the future but it;s good to see there are people out there who understand the issues
Thanks for the props, homeboy.
Agree Philip! . Exceptionally Good content and presentation May I present 🏆🥇 Dr Das🎉
YES, they should absolutely be held accountable.
I am autistic, after the trial I want to be a forensic psychologist like Dr Curry 🙌 because I don’t think I am clever enough to do law. But I star in October
The young boy is now able to put on his own splints and can play in the park
😰poor little boy, Bravery knew what he was doing in my opinion. Why the comments when he was arrested? I'm ASD, ADHD and can't imagine hurting a child for Any reason. Nothing justifies throwing a child 100ft to permanent disablement.
Autism justifies what jonty bravery did.
I went to the same school as him. School didn’t help. Senior management were absolute bullies. Jonty was a weirdo too.
Jonty bravery is not a weirdo like you.
I deeply appreciate your content!! I'm autistic and schizophrenic, and suffer with pretty severe paranoia that can be really really debilitating. While my response seems to be more of a fear reaction, and I've never reacted violently, I often fear that I might one day have a delusion so strong that I hurt someone thinking im protecting myself. Because of this, I've second guessed whether or not i should ever marry or have children, both of which I and my partner deeply want.. I hope that a sense of self awareness will help me avoid being dangerous to anyone I love, but that fear will likely rest deep within my heart at all times. :C
Reasons like this get me extremely interested in psychology, criminal psychology, true crime, and the like. I'd love to be a criminal psychologist, but my anxiety and social set backs make holding a job and reliably attending class really difficult for me. I really look up to people like you 💕 Thank you for helping me learn about my passions
Thank you for sharing and please keep watching, Kat
I would love to hear from you, about the James bulger, especially about the two young boys who murderd him.
It was rumoured one of the culprits relocated to Australia and was responsible for the rape and murder of a young girl at a shopping centre, I would like to know if this was him
@@flej01 I pray not.
Don't mind me, just binge watching from the beginning.
'People with autism can't communicate'. That's a pretty broad statement. Maybe more accurate would be "some autistic people can't communicate in a manner deemed conventional by neurotypicals". In my experience, even people who aren't verbal can communicate.
Don't mean to be over critical, I know this was one of your earlier videos. The rest of the video content is excellent.
Fair enough, Colin. I think I could've used a more nuanced statement.
Oh I can communicate exceptionally with my autism, but not in a way that people who don’t understand asberges take at face value. It’s complicated but it’s a big tonal and vocabulary issue more than an inability this was said.
True. People with autism actually have such creative ways to communicate and express themselves
Everytime I listen to you, U tube won’t list more of your video : they show Dr Grande only 😬
This channel seems very interesting: psychiatry & lagality combined. Still I hope for more insight into the mind of the offenders and their disorders. 👍
Could you further examine the relationship between cares, support workers and residents who are in a supportive living environments. The expertise and experience needed by support workers in a challenging environment would also be useful also. What if a support worker in this environment is not really suited to this work? Who tactfully suggests that they are offered alternative employment? What if some can see this and others are unable to see it?
The child is now practicing Judo. Now 8/9 year old I'm glad to read he's doing well.
I don’t believe people with certain conditions should not go to jail either criminal populace but they also shoulD not be on the streets either and endangering any more people. I say this as a mum of a non verbal autistic son who has very minimal violent reactions like backhanding if your in his vicinity when he’s melting down or thumping you if he’s in too much pain or overwhelmed. Usually with sound. We avoid my son being around strangers children at all costs and he’s never without an adult. His schooling is a separate room with two staff and he’s being transferred to a school where they is 3/4 students of his age. My son is a very small child of 12 but he is so strong. I am terrified of what will happen to my baby when I pass as no one will understand or love and understand him like I do when I’m gone. It’s my worse fear in life is when I’m taken away from him. Stuff this like and other stories of how children like my son are treated causes me great anxiety and fear in life. We can’t go on holidays or trips as my son 100%times will run away and worse he’s not aware of dangers. Once he got out of window wearing only his nappy and ran down multiple main roads running into traffic and jumping on cars. I think I had nightmares for a good month after that. I’m rambling cos I’m caught in my emotions. I pray my son will be safe and loved and understood in a place that accepts him when I can no longer be here to do it for him in my home.
Fascinating stuff. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I want people to do the time for the time for their crimes, if they live in a society they have to fit in. If someone is violent or a threat to others they should not be unleashed on the general public. There a way too many cases of offenders being released by medical "professionals" to hurt someone else. My sons friend was murdered by such a person, the thought that he may now be among us chills my blood. I may sound cold and uncaring to some but, I feel strongly about this. I have family and friends that have mental issues that I love, though if they lash out they should not be in society, it is not fair on others. I think if this was your child it would be a no brainer.
Medical professionals and social services can be difficult to even regularly see some people who live in community with some or little support from a care company…… those in the residential and care settings who support people in the community have so many issues trying to involve the multi-agency team…. To get funding is a nightmare. There were failings for the perpetrator in this case as things were not logged and reported correctly. It doesn’t take away from what this man did…… but working in the sector it is so frustrating as they need the social services and wider NHS psychological interactions more regularly for some.
Hi Dr. Das. I've known & worked for people with abnormal traits & also have family members like this as well. All the way from bipolar to skitsoeffective disorder, narcissistic, etc. Thanks for your videos, they help to understand these personality disorders very very well. Hope you & your family are having a wonderful evening each & every day, love & peaceful times hopefully await you, hugs, Janine Smiley✌👍🎵🎶🦓🦄🐦🐣🦒🐰🐇🐼🐨🐻🐾🐧🦋🌹🌺🌻🌼🌷
What a difficult and horrible situation.
That sweet little boy. Will suffer from brain damage and injuries for the rest of his life. Poor child.
Loved it! Very interesting. I wonder if u know the stats re. % offenders with ASD within the asd community vs. % offenders not on the spectrum per the nonàsd community.
I would be interested in your experiences with sexual offenders from a forensic psych point of view. I was involved in a criminal case in 2013/14 in Kent where a 42yr old man with only one DD previous escalated over the space of one year physically assaulted, robbed, sexually assaulted (one case of serious sexual assault) flashed and many accusations of gross sexual misconduct over 100 women (Police personally told me this was the suspicion) and teenage girls. He got a minimum of 12.5 yrs, sex offenders register indefinitely and on license for life. The forensic psych surmised (he had to as the offender stated he couldn’t recall committing these crimes) there was a sadistic element in this case. I agree. John Guscott.
I understand, but why do the thing he did. That I don't understand. It doesn't make sense. Did he have more complex issues? Heartbreaking.
I'd like details on how that poor little kid survived that fall. It seems...unlikely at best.
I believe he knew the difference between right and wrong, throw him self off ? No to scared and self important
Interesting and intriguing podcast. I've been following this case for some time now and glad I came across this. I'm Extremely passionate about Autism. I'd like to ask you a question as someone on the spectrum. Do you work alongside autistics before making a DSM decision?
Hi Alexander. Thanks for the props. Good question. It depends - sometimes they have been diagnosed long before I assess them. Occasionally they haven't and I suspect this diagnosis. I would make a provisional diagnosis and then refer to a specialist (usually a psychologist, rather than a psychiatrist) who will carry out a series of diagnostic tests - e.g. Autism Diagnostic Interview Revised and the Diagnostic Interview for Social and Communication Disorders.
Hi Dr. Dash
thank you for all your educational videos, they are very helpful.
I work with autistic adolescents that have challenging behaviours and do attack staffs on regular basis. I was wondering if there are any studies suggesting better path way from one treatments to another( if the word treatments is right here or cognitive development therapy ). How can we make the care given to the child better, so to achieve better outcomes for them and our society. I feel sometimes stuck between hard discipline which is often inforced or want to be inforced by staff, to a more softer approach with a lots more sofness and ampathy. The later isn't predominant in mental health unit. I really want to have hope for the kids I work with. They are so vulnerable and so unable to have a fulfilling life which they craves. I feel that we are working in the dark and that we need more data to see what works best for them.
Because they well-being results in a safer and happier society.
This is an excellent channel! Talk about a misnomer though. Mr. Bravery would be better called Mr. cowardly for the way he victimized a defenseless six year old. I hope that child makes a full recovery from both the physical and psychological effects of the crime. I'd happily see Mr. Bravery thrown off that same balcony as punishment. Fifteen years doesn't seem long enough.
👏Well said and very agreeable
JONTY BRAVERY IS NOT A COWARD, HE IS 1 OF THE BRAVEST MEN AROUND. THAT 6 YEAR OLD FRENCHY IS A COWARD.
We should love Mr bravery & he is not a coward in any way.
As a doctor you should know that autism is not a mental health condition....
It’s a disability
You haven’t listened properly
It’s not a true London background without the post office tower .
This is why I am scared for my 14yr old. They say he has adhd, depression, anxiety but he doesn't qaulify for autism on the ADOS.😐 since he passes the social part.
They think that he is doing this.. perhaps they are right..
My gut says there is more and this is why I keep going. I wish we could read thoughts and have brain mapping considered as actual medical documentation 😵💫
Is it possible that he is masking? Can you get a second opinion?
What do you mean 'this is why I am scared for my 14 yr old'?
@camellia8625 we have, and they diagnosised him with autism in april 2023, only because I had videos from home of him and the things he does.
@cw9007 I am scared for him because his behaviors are very drastic: fire setting, mixing chemicals, fecal consumption and smearing, stealing, extreme physical and verbal aggression, and destruction of property. None of his previous diagnoses was severe enough to get him the help he needed. If we hadn't had videos of him, he still wouldn't have the autism diagnosis that has provided the therapy that seems to be helping now. Imagine what would happen to him once he turned 18, and he never got the therapy or skills to help his behaviors. Someone did something, and he escalated. Someone could be seriously hurt or dead, and he would be placed in jail. Ya, I was scared for him, and I am a little less scared for his future but now I know we have options in place, places he can go that can help him and keep working on behaviors and skill sets. Hopefully, help him make good decisions as an adult. We have 3 more years of his current ABA therapies, and hopefully, this will make a strong foundation for him.
@@mammaliby5933 thanks for explaining. I thought you were saying your son was not autistic, so I couldn't see the connectiion. My 16-year-old son is also autistic and violent, so I understand your fear.
Hi dr das. This was great…….was it your first RUclips ? So interesting and thought provoking. Love you dr das
Hi I would love to see a video about high functioning autism in women :)
I'll put it on the list for future episodes. You're not the real Jack the Ripper, are you?
@@APsychForSoreMinds ....how did you know?
As an autistic women, these labels can be incredibly damaging. Some days we can't function never mind high! This is an interesting podcast but Dr Das is not a specialist in ASD and it certainly isn't related to mental health, our neurology is different and it's hereditary.
@@itsjust_Lisa I agree that functioning labels can be harmful but because "autistic people with high masking abilities" isn't understandable to the majority of people, sometimes I defer to old terminology for the sake of communicating easier and more efficiently. I'm autistic too, I don't know what our personal identifiers has to do with it. People of the same group disagree all the time. Also, Dr. Das doesn't have to be an expert to talk about ASD. He is a mental health professional who has years more training and experience working with autistic people than myself and presumably you as well. I am curious to know his clinical experience in regards to our demographic, that's why I made the comment. I don't think there's anything wrong with a professional clinician making an educational video about a neurotype.
Great episode! My favourite so far.
Thank you.
You are very welcome.
Very interesting! Found your channel through Josh Miles and I’m glad I did. I watch and listen to a lot of true crime and I’m a psychology major so your channel has it all!
I’m hoping you talk about narcissism, because it’s the “diagnosis” so many people are tossing out lately and I think being a narcissist is not the same as having narcissistic tendencies. I’m not a psychiatrist, though!
Evening Dr Das, I so enjoyed the format and therefore the content of this video apposed to your recent format of your videos. Please go back to this, sharing your knowledge, experiences etc rather than the unnecessary content, like the 'Bombay' thing u do etc oh and right in the middle of video u break from the subject of the video to tell us about other videos u have made...no please no.
I so want to continue to subscribe and learn your qualified insight to all your channel subjects but with this wonderful format...please? love Alli x
Will take the feedback on board!
@@APsychForSoreMinds Fab Dr Das, in 2 ways, that u read it as feedback and u r taking it onboard, bless u. Sometimes text can be misconstrued but u read it fabulously. love Alli X
Please could you do a video about workplace bullies and their motivations and profiles? Especially women. Guess why I am requesting this! (Unfortunately, I have been a victim of this recently, along with many other colleagues).
Good call, Rebecca. Watch this space. It might take a while for me to actually record a video
girl i got ONE answer for you!! JEALOUSY!! you keep doing you. there’s clearly something about you whether it be physical or emotional that they are envious of. try to think of the things they bully you about and see if you can boil it down to a quality of yours they wish they had, that they bully you about instead. ❤️
Starting to warm up to you.... Thanks for explaining to people that people with ASD are not violent and are harmless. If anything, Autistic people are usually the victim of targeting for exploitation or physical harm most of the time. I think you were correct that in those two cases they meant no malice and it shows where most have issues understanding social norms and boundaries.
However the one who forced a small child to do a header from the observation deck is quite complicated. The ones I think are also responsible are the staff at his special needs living facility. They apparently had plenty of logical reasons to be aware of concerns for letting him wonder around unsupervised. All the evidence for his case cam.from somewhere? I'm not saying that the staff was apathetic or anything to let him go free range but I think it was a hard decision that they decided to not make and they didn't equate the statistical danger for him to not have supervision. He obviously can't ever be left to be in public without professional supervision. Jail is gonna be hell for him much more than nuero-typicals. But he does need to be punished. I think wealthy countries need special facilities for developmental disabled people or certain mentally ill people. Not as harsh as Broadmore (I'm familiar) or a regular prison but not as slack as assisted living. Kinda similar to a correctional facility in Norway.
I have a very strong hunch that if he had someone supervising him he would have never done that. And I feel the people responsible for him were supposed to be responsible for him, nomeen?
Autism and antisocial PD sounds so counter to logic. Why? It's so illogical to be antisocial or sadistic but autistic people can only truly understand what's logical and that's what we obsessively follow. It's so illogical to intentionally murder a little kid that probably looked like he was excited about being there and he just chucked him off the tenth floor deck???
That's gotta be super rare. A sadistic psychopath with autism.
I've, many upon many of times hurt peoples feelings and I feel terrible that I have and I didn't even know that what I said would have upset them so badly. It's tears me up with guilt and hate that I can't recognize until someone points out why that would have upset them. And I apologize and explain that I unaware and hope they can understand that I don't know when I've been an asshole till it's too late. I usually ask if they wanna kick me in the balls if it would make them feel better (they never do) they laugh and we move on. But doing something like that makes.no sense at all....
It's sad and I just hope that kid's condition improves and he doesn't have PTSD from it.
My two cents
You may wanna reconsider liking this comment, I was greatly disappointed at your assessment of Johnny Depp after one week of the trial. And it's already not aged well so you might decide to remove your like if you actually read that.
Sorry
You mean autistic people are not ALWAYS violent and are USUALLY harmless. Autism very much can and does cause some people to act violently. My son is one of them. However, my son has never planned to be violent, it is an impulsive act during meltdown, which is the usual cause of violence in autistic individuals. If Jonty Bravery pre planned this act of violence, it is likely that had more to do with the personality disorder or something else.
Fascinating, very informative and thought provoking podcast. Remember this case on the news, my heart breaks for that wee boy and his Parents. Working my way through all your videos when time allows! Keep up the great work.
Many thanks. Yes- it really is so random, so senseless and so tragic.
But he was violant n he wasn't harmless
I had never heard about this.
Working my way through all your videos so informative I've never heard of this case before so tragic 😢
Welcome, Kelly.
WHISPERS: the later videos are better, as I was still finding my feet when I first began. The first few I think are a tad too long / too detailed. You might disagree, though.
@@APsychForSoreMinds long videos mean nothing in lockdown tho got all the time in the world to watch 😂
First of all: Autism is NOT a mental illness. Although sometimes accompanied by, it's in neurological department. I've worked in the family assistance field for years, assigned to a family, the daughter a teenager diagnosed in the autism spectrum with Aspergers. 6 years I worked with that family, the parents uneducated, disfunctional people, with the occasional drinking habit, long term unemployment etc. In my experience with the daughter, and other cases I worked on afterward, I found Asperger being quite different to the other forms in the autism spectrum. Of course the typical social inabilities tend to be the same, as well as learning disabilities and total lack of recognizing emotions. Within others as well as within herself. There were countless violent incidents that happend. Including attacking her mother with a kitchen knife, threatening a girl online to kill her, dismember and bury her only to dig her up to burn the body parts. Those devious thoughts from a then 13 year old girl, who never in her life had seen a horror movie or heard of serial killers. She was also abusive with the pet rabbits the family had. Occasionally she would take them up on the bunk bed in her room to make them fall down from up there, because she was curious to see what would happen, she said. I've worked with clients with early childhood autism and a-typical autism as well. Non of them showed that level of deeply rooted hate and deviance like the girl with Asperger. Same for that grade of violence. People with ASD generally suffer meltdowns that result in crying, screaming and severe anxiety attacks. But never consciously and purposely wanting to hurt people physically on that kind of level.
There was a very tragic case in Malmö, Sweden, about 7 months ago. A 18 year old student with High functioning autism killed Two of his teachers. 😢
Thank you. The complexities of the law regarding these situations is fascinating, ( I am at present studying criminology and psychology with the ou)
In court, one psychiatrist may give evidence for the defense whilst another does so for the prosecution which makes me doubt the validity of the profession.
Your words cut deep, Elisa
@@APsychForSoreMinds you should do a video on Scientology they hate what you do for a living lol 😂
I disagree. It shows the difficulty of figuring humans out. Psychiatry (and quite frankly alot of medical science in general) is half science half art and requires an immense amount of expertise to do it well and u can still be wrong. Sometimes theres just not a black and white answer in medicine and there's no blood test, doesn't mean u throw out the entire profession. The best u can do is a vigorous forthright argument about the issues and hope the judge makes a good decision, but u can't 100% guess what someone's going to in future.
@@karenmacnel1789 Psychiatry is half art and half fraud. There's no science in it.
You appear to me to have a clarity of mind similar to that of Professor Sami Timimi ... his latest book is titled 'Insane Medicine'.
He knew what he was doing .
Good video, get a pop shield for the mic. Looking forward to future podcasts.
This delivery is the best way to present rather than today’s style those gimmicks And interjection s
I bet serenity integrated mentoring caused this incident.
🎉#teamDrDas
Sir, I am NOT like a toddler in any way. That wasnt cool of you.
I don't think Dr Das was calling you a toddler, he was saying the more violent outbursts by some people have autism appears similar to a toddler having a tantrum. I don't think he applied judgment to that statement. It does really look like that, that's just how it is.
Dr. Das, first of all, thank you for your channel and podcast. It’s refreshing, and I often steer my students in your direction for various topics of learning. Thank you for sharing that not everyone with ASD is violent or aggressive. There is nothing more damaging than stereotyping an entire group of people based on the population you have worked with or come into contact with. It sounds like those you may work with have a myriad of issues and not just an ASD diagnosis.
One point of clarification, however: It’s my understanding that ASD has a dyad of symptoms, or criteria within the DSM 5 and not a triad as you describe.
The DSM 5 lumps social communication and social interaction together into one category (A) so that this dyad truly breaks down into social impairments and RRBs, correct?
good Points, Lori.
I mentioned the triad because it is much more established conceptualisation that has been accepted for longer.
Can I please give a special specific shout-out to your students! Tell them they must subscribe or they will all get detention.
@@APsychForSoreMinds Thank you for your response Dr. Das! I referred to the dyad in my dissertation, so wanted to know your thoughts on the triad you mention from the DSM IV. I appreciate your point of view. College students don't have detention lol. They do, however, benefit from the educational platform you have offered, so thank you again! I look forward to more podcasts/videos to share with them! :)
As someone with ASD I was the victim of constant violence from my father as a child, over minor “transgressions” such as taking a piece of fruit without permission, or putting yeast in a vessel of water to see it anything would happen…
I believe in capital punishment. Anyone who disables another person should be strung up.
Ah, but what about cases where their actions were driven by mental illness and their criminal culpability was reduced?
@@APsychForSoreMinds Fuck em. stop letting scum be let off easy due to "mental illness" that their lawyers always claim. Everyone should treated exactly the same or else all of society suffers.
@@DenTheGodKing I don't want to live in your world. Which is good, because I don't. Enjoy your Daily Mail.
I know what you mean in the sense that when I was the victim of a burglary where I was very nearly at home at the time, in the weeks that followed being anxious about sleeping in my own bed and being unsafe, I felt RAGE at the burglars and I'm not kidding when I say that I would have happily seen their hands cut off like in Saudi Arabia. It seemed a just punishment at that moment! But when I calmed down, I realized that there is a reason we have a justice system that is blind: it is about justice, not revenge.
If I had a condition like Jonty's and this guy turned up to assist me whilst sporting that hairstyle, I would topple myself so my eyes are spared further crimes against hairdressing!
I will pass your helpful feedback onto my barber
Very interesting thank you
Glad you enjoyed it
Considering children are unable to disclose their pain, discomfort or anything else before being vaxed and then after, we can not rule out that vax’s don’t at least cause some damage to children. I had my other vax’s but not mmr and I shudder to think about if I did; it may or may not cause it but the severe differences in some people with asd (low/high functioning) can not be overlooked, signed a pattern reading autistic!
Just putting it out there that they base that solely on Wakefield and he at the time wasn't anti vax. He was trying to discredit that MMR so that he could promote his own vaccines instead (sole motivation was profit). In the years since the anti vax movement has taken him as one of their own and he has leaned into that and pivoted that way especially since losing his licence. Either way the MMR vaccine today isn't the same one that was being used when that study was released. From a late diagnosed autistic.
The ‘study’ people refer to re: Autism was debunked.
In my opinion he did nothing wrong, diminished responsibility because of learning disabilities
Then perhaps put yourself in the family of that little child and try again.
Really enjoying your videos Dr Das. The video about Avery reminded me of this podcast episode which I think you might be interested in as it takes a behavioural perspective of individuals that resort to mass shootings and how their profiles are similar to Avery’s.