I found a fellow American. 😅 Guards most certainly open cells to allow and/or encourage convicts to "take care" of someone. COs sleep on shift often. USP Atlanta was somewhat recently closed due to the outlandish amount of corruption from COs. The ATF, CIA, and National Guard were dispatched to the prison. All incarcerated people were put on 24/7 lock down and COs detained. Then the National Guard went to each cell individually in full military riot gear, threw in pepper spray grenades, and extracted inmates putting them in "hog tie" style restraints, and allowed them to stay covered in pepper spray until after they were sent to other prisons across the US. The inmates were not behaving in any way that would typically be considered for brute force. I sincerely doubt anyone will truly be held accountable for the atrocities that happened there.
Well, don't forget his friend and long time accomplice Brunel was found dead in his french cell on February 2022. That's not implying a "conspiracy", it's just a fact.
Jeffrey Epstein billionaire associate of presidents, CEOs, Royalty, celebrities, world leaders. How did he make his billions?…. Would blackmail be factor? Throw in the mix a foreign useful idiot and smokescreen like Prince x and we have a perfect cover for a murder to prevent Epstein spilling the beans on his clients that regularly rode in the Lolita express. Virginia Dufreis father knows the truth and has said so.
Let's put it this way: do you honestly think that such a high profile inmate would not have been monitored 24/7? Do you honestly think that if they wanted his death to look like suicide, they wouldn't have paved the way well in advance to substantiate that claim? And do you honestly think that killing himself after a mere few days of incarceration, a strong man with billions of dollars to sustain an excellent legal defence, would have done himself in? No way! No matter what your findings, I still maintain that his death was suspicious and that there were extremely powerful people who stood to lose a great deal more than money if Epstein was allowed to testify in court. It was in the interest of those powerful people to make sure that Epstein's mouth was zipped up for good. Either that, or some other poor fellow got murdered and his body used as decoy while Epstein was safely shipped away on some remote island, safe from incarceration or death from fellow inmates. In my view, the fate of such a powerful man as Epstein cannot be so simple as suicide.
@@stompthedragon4010 Respectfully, how can you actually think that with all those pictures of him and the scene, as well as an autopsy by the Chief NYC Medical Examiner, PLUS a second autopsy by a very well-known pathologist? You think they’re lying and checked out a different body, happily risking their careers? Sorry, that’s beyond a stretch. As a medical professorial who has worked my butt off, it makes me sad people like you so easily question other’s integrity - when they work hard and tirelessly - with literally no reason at all.
@@freespiritchristina I actually didnt follow it that closely so I was not attacking anyone' s personal integrity, but Im fine with questioning everything.
@@stompthedragon4010 I understand that. I didn’t think you were “attacking” their integrity, just questioning it kinda unfairly. Being a medical examiner is a huge job and ethics is important! I absolutely agree you should question everything, but you say you didn’t follow the case closely, and there’s lots of evidence by two forensic pathologists that it was Epstein. They don’t make mistakes like that; they do sometimes screw up identifying whether cause of death was suicide vs. homicide, etc. Admittedly, certain suggestions are frustrating because they’re so out there and hurt reputations w/o reason. That’s all. Questioning everything is good, but the truth is readily available if you choose to look closely.
@@freespiritchristina Dear Christina, you have to understand that with powerful people anything is possible! they will buy off medical professionals, fake a death certificate, do ANYTHING, as long as they are not exposed. No slight on the medical profession as a general rule, but if you don't know by now, that in every profession or industry, there are actually plenty of people without integrity like you, who will do ANYTHING for money, then you are still a bit naive. No offence, because I can tell from what you've written here that you're an upstanding person. Just that not everyone is like you. and in the case of Epstein, you have to know that he had a whole lot of information on high profile people, even videos that he kept to use for blackmail purposes. I honestly believe this was a huge coverup. Epstein may still be alive for all we know. Just my opinion, dear.
The whole prison system is so weird. Create an environment designed to instil suicidal thoughts in people, while insisting on trying to keep them alive.
I loved your little snarky sarcastic comment in the beginning, when you said, as all psychiatrists, you have limited resources for prisoners (sad but true), and then followed it up with "because we have really important things like making RUclips video's" 😂 Ad hominem, so.. idk .. just to say: thanks for the videos! Just started subscribing to you and like the content big time ♥️
If he had been handed a life sentence, I wouldn't have any doubt it was self inflicted. Just like most people who have his personality type. I believe it was a hired hit to protect other rich and powerful people. If I were a psychologist assessing him, I'd do my job. Same with any offender. I may not like them. Their crimes may be the worst kind of crimes. But it's my job - and there are far too many things that can be learned in these evaluations for the victims and for investigators working on his associates, or offenders like him, for my personal feelings to get in the way. The job is too important. I would however, lean into my sessions with other professionals and bath in bleach.
I enjoy the way you present the psychological facts of each case but also include a touch of humor in an appropriate manner. Yours is my new favorite channel! Thank you for all your hard work!!!
Because there were so many incredibly rich and powerful people who would benefit by his removal, I went through a thought experiment of how one could possibly guard him before it happened. It included having at least six guards round the clock, none of whom knew each other previously, but ultimately a public 24 hr live stream from his cell! It was so obvious it was going to happen.
As a health care provider, I work with people with a wide array of mental and physical problems. I strive to always be professional with all my patient interactions, reminding myself that my job is to render aid to a human being in stress. It can be hard to set aside my own feelings, because sometimes the patients' actions are so alien to my own moral/ethical code. But I remind myself, my job is to provide a service and not to be a friend. While I try to always be objective, I have to admit that I do not think Epstein committed suicide. The timing is suspicious. I'm glad that you, Dr. Das, are out there assessing the mentally disordered so I don't have to, psych was my least favorite rotation. So these days, I assess for homicidal/suicidal ideation on new admissions; and then, if necessary, get to call on a doctor such as yourself to consult on such cases. I like your example of how to approach the subject of suicidal/homicidal ideation.
I don't believe for a nano second he whacked himself. Firstly, men like he don't kill themselves. He may drive other's to kill themselves but his over inflated ego would never allow him to end it all! No way Jose! He's too in love with himself, too arrogant, too narcissistic, too self absorbed, a legend in his own mind. Secondly, considering the history of only what we do know of the many crime's our government and the CIA have committed, continue to commit, including the accidental leak of their plan to assassinate Julian Assange...the CIA can take someone out quicker than the time it takes to slip on a banana peel and no one the wiser. Come on, it doesn't even take an armchair psychiatrist/detective to figure that one out! Lastly, dead men can't talk. He was a massive liability and what he knew and who he knew it about would literally have disastrous consequences. With his knowledge he held the power to expose countless criminal's in high places, topple many empires, Including the US Government.
What bugs me about this is if he indeed had a fractured hyloid in his neck then it more than likely was strangulation. Then he was strung up. So which autopsy do you believe?
I'm a new subscriber. I'm making my way through your previous videos. The information you impart plus your sarcasm/satire is very clever. Can't wait to see more 😊
Okay, I’ve very recently become a part of your squad. Can I say, your lighthearted humour is so refreshing and relatable 😂 in the beginning, when you say “as a, forensic, psychiatrist” in that sort of camp tone, is something I do 😂 “grab your favourite noose” 🤣 I nearly spat out my wine! Thank you SO much for your content ♥️
Love this. As a functioning depressive though, I know how to talk a good game. There are a few friends who notice subtle changes but when I had a breakdown 2 years ago, most had no idea.
New subscriber. I just saw you on The Disturbing Truth. How refreshing to see a doctor with a sense of humor. I have a lot to catch up on. Thank you for sharing the deep dark rabbit hole of mental issues.
When you hear about people who have committed suicide, you are often taken completely by surprise. So, it is highly likely that he did kill himself, and was able to fly under the radar during assessment. I am also thinking that he would have had some inkling that he was going to get a long prison sentence (and he wouldn’t have wanted that). Re assessing his suicidal ideation, I would hope that any professional would be able to separate his crime from the way they assess him. If they can’t, then what are they doing in that job. Thanks. Love your channel.
If I was a phsycologist I would like to think that I wouldn't pass judgement on someone. Like any Doctor I would be trying to heal the person or teach him a way to survive. He probably couldn't have survived in prison and he probably figured he'd have no quality of life so he offed himself
@@lorellgingrich6603 He didnt say he's gonna " name the names ". His lawyer said he is ready to talk with autorities , which doesnt Mean he'll accuse anyone . He was confident that he'll find a way Out of it bc most accusations were ridiculous, eggzagerated with sole purpose to extort money . Otherwise , why he returned back to US from Paris ? He was warned that SDNY is getting ready to indict him . No one in position to ask him questions wouldn't ask him to " name the names " bc didnt want to hear answers !!😎
I don’t think JE killed himself. Should I have been in anyway affiliated w/ his processing, I would’ve referred him Because imo his crimes were despicable. I also don’t think he ever thought he’d have to serve any time incarcerated Because he was always able to pay his way out.
In my opinion I think it wasn't suicide, but I would also imagine he may have been encouraged if it was. The information he had on some of the world's most powerful people or just the sheer disgust at what he had done would be enough for it to either be silencing or vigilante justice, though the latter would likely not be covered as a suicide. Were I in control then yes, I would have taken all of the steps necessary to ensure not only that he was monitored carefully for suicide watch, but also protected from others. Not only because it's what should be done in the justice system, but also because he could be used to identify other culprits en mass. There are likely criminals walking away from this without ever receiving justice for as long as they live. Prince Andrew is an obvious example. Legally he hasn't been convicted, but we all know he's guilty. He will likely never get what he deserves and will live comfortably for 30 or so years.
Your English wit has me grinning like a mug. the fact you're a psychologist has me laughing. Your ability to normalise your take and persona is refreshing- not clinical or stiff thankfully- im loving the format, it is my cuppa tea! He didnt hang himself desperately... if he did, he was given the noose with encouragment. Im only angry he wasnt held to account in court. Many answers were never given even in Ghislaines court case. I often have suicidal ideation and thoughts on *how however, I have rarely felt compelled to act on those thoughts.. no, Im not writing this from the other side. Do i see myself at risk? No. Life is good atm.Then again, even if i was, i probably wouldnt say- i just would. Most people i know that dont have a fear of death, feel the same. Also- all the hugs you missed out on as a child. Lol
Yes, I’ll take number 1. He was “suicided”. I’ve assisted in quite a few autopsies and I’ve seen his autopsy photos. They weren’t self inflicted with that soft of a cloth at the height. Very traumatic injuries for that kind of ‘hanging’. Cameras not working, given a ton of sheets what was that? Just my opinion-can we talk about Brunel as well?
@@stompthedragon4010 sorry it took me so long to respond. They were the unadulterated photos. And sometimes they randomly pop back into my brain. Not something I’d ever wanted.
I don’t believe he killed himself, he was so smug even in court. No watch, guards asleep, no video cameras working, it was a set up. I some how don’t think we’ll ever know who did the deed.
I find it hard to believe his paperwork was filled in wrong. Stating that he was black, no sex crimes. They must have been aware when he came in, of who he was ? Because of the media interest. Not as if he was some average John Doe.
You are so thorough in your discussion that I was surprised you didn't mention his narcissism. I have thought he exhibited many indicators and thus precluded him from suicide. Because I am an abuse survivor I did not work with perpetrators after the first one. Can't and won't. No apologies either. Doc. Please try to sit still more. I got sea sick watching you rock back and forth. Thank you.
I used to be a mortician and I've seen Jeffrey's autopsy photos. Its obvious he was choked/garotted to death due to deep ligature marks. His eyes had petchai (can't spell!) plus struggle wounds on his hands. Neck anatomy was significantly damaged too. A bedsheet wouldn't do that to a 6ft man from a bunkbed. I imagine he had a lot to expose about powerful people.
Your dad jokes are terrible 🤣 but, they still make me laugh 😂 Interesting video… I would probably do as minimal as possible. But having seen how sexual criminals affect their victims, I’m not sure I could give him the same support I’d give to a suicidal kid, who’s grown up with uncaring or abusive parents and he’s got himself in trouble with petty crimes. That person would trigger my empathy and I’d want to help them change and do better once they left so I’d give as much help as possible. Wrong, I know, but that’s why I never chose careers that would put me in those positions, but I have such a strong interest in psychology and cbt etc, I feel I missed my calling. Just wouldn’t of thought about it when I was younger. So I really enjoy your content. Would love a video, on inside tbd mind of some of these criminals.
Even if he had gone to trial and been imprisoned, he wouldn't have lasted long unless he was in solitary confinement... he would have been in danger from other prisoners. If memory serves me right, Winestein was/is in solitary confinement for the same reasons. I'd never put myself in the circumstance of assessing these types of criminals ... my business charity is Abolishing Human Trafficking and I'm more and more involved with the aftercare/rehabilitation of girl survivors of sex trafficking, post trauma healing, so my blood boils with any rape/trafficking incident.
I ignored the urge to correct you when you said he was found "hung in his cell". I think this shows personal growth. Comedian was RG at some point at The Golden Globes. X
Even if he were to be released on bail he was estranged from everyone, he had lost everything including what mattered most - his reputation. His life would never be the same and he new he would finally face consequences for his actions. I think that he took the opportunity when the guards didn’t make it around in time to make sure he didn’t have to deal with the consequences of his actions that his money finally couldn’t shield him from. It was probably quite impulsive as these attempts are but he was serious about it and obviously ended up being successful. The worst thing about it is he stopped his victims from seeing him punished in court. As far as treating him professionally, I think I could separate my personal feelings to treat him. Especially if it meant seeing him mentally safe enough to stand in court so the victims could have their closure. I think as a psychiatrist treating offenders your job is to treat all people because all people have a right to mental health treatment no matter what they have done, and by treating them you also help the victims of the crime by ensuring the perpetrators make it court and are as healthy as they can be (mentally) for the court hearings to go ahead.
Dont worry about " victims " seeking closure . They care for that As much for last winter snow . Main thing is , they grabbed the Money given to them so generously by Justice Department . No Doubt they enjoying it to the fullest , armed with implants , lip fillers , Botox and Juviderm , on look out for new clients . And services Advertised for free on media platforms . Common sense is dead in America and moral is decaying .
⛔No🚫 , I don't think JE has committed suicide. 🫤✝️ Yes 👍 I can and will be able to seperate the person from their crime and treat them fairly. 🔒⚖️ 🏨 As a mental health advocate I am constantly fighting for the rights of people. ⚖️ This includes patients with forensic background. 🚑
I wonder if he just felt it was very likely another inmate or a powerful associate on the outside would find a way to kill him before long, so being a narcissist he killed himself more to control the situation and his own fate than because he was really suicidal. He likely reasoned his life was not going to be tolerable anyway in prison, so he may have just done the maths and decided to go out his own way.
His injuries don't seem conducive to suicide. There were multiple fractures of his neck including the hyoid bone. Further, there was seemingly no force applied to his neck that would have resulted in the injuries indicatwd if one factors in his alleged method of suicide. The multiple fractures align with homicide more than suicide, in my opinion. If he was alive and in treatment his crimes should have no bearing on his treatment. It's an obligation to provide the best treatment possible to aid in his rehabilitation even if he was given a life sentence. Those who are treatment providers shouldn't act as judge, jury and executioner but act in the patient's best interests, no exceptions. All guesses, of course, because I wasn't there but it's always interesting to speculate given the facts that we have available!
He knew far too much about too many extremely powerful people and may have been tempted to talk at some point to reduce his own sentence so ........... Murdered.
The paperwork recorded that he denied being suicidal and denied having a history of mental health problems, but paperwork also showed that he was ticked as being black and having committed no sex crimes - so it's very hard to believe any of the paperwork. I think he did kill himself, because he would have realised that there was no way he could wriggle out of a long prison term and he probably thought better to do it now that later when it would be more difficult (in terms of privacy and supervision). Ghislaine Maxwell has all the names, so getting rid of Epstein (if that's what happened) would have done only half the job of a cover up, and as far as I know, she is still alive.
Change of mind he was murdered . I watched Larry Lawton ( biggest jewel thief in USA, 12 years in prison, ) Larry said he knew too many big names to let live.
Another great episode... It's a tough one to know for sure when there are so many miscommunications and slip ups that occurred.. I wouldn't be surprised either way though. Truth is stranger than fiction they say!!
I love that you pointed out risk assessment is an art. As you were talking, before saying that, I was thinking to myself that it is definitely an art or “scart”, as a former professor of mine liked to call it (science and art). I 100% agree that rapport needs to be developed and the clinician shouldn’t be robotic. I also approach this topic similarly to the way you do, and find it’s much more effective. I do not think Epstein killed himself. Love your content (and your humor!), per usual! 🥰 Oops, forgot to say-I’d have no trouble separating his crime from assessing him professionally. I’ve only had 1 person in my career that made me want to steer clear. I assessed that person one time, and not a second.
I'm interested to listen but personally I don't believe he exterminated himself. He had too much money and too many people who could help him disappear. He's probably on a beach somewhere with a young lady.
I wish you're right . He deserved it considering all the mud thrown At him for what he did and what he didnt do . 90 % of accusations Were utter lies motivated with money .
On balance, because of his personality type, I can't see Epstein's death as suicide. He wasn't in the least bit subtle - the arrogance required to do what he did precludes that - so I can't see him being tricky enough to set up the ideal circumstances to allow himself the opportunity to kill himself unobserved. Plus how was he to know that the guards that night would be asleep/internet browsing. Also of course he was days away from possible release. Then there's the coincidence of the way his hyoid bone was broken. It is within the bounds of possibility that it was broken by hanging himself but it is an outside chance. Nope. It just doesn't add up to suicide.
Ricky Gervais. Golden Globes. January 2020. 😂Got way too excited that I knew that. And bill Dr Grande. I'm dead 💀 You probably won't take this as a compliment but I've recently been diagnosed with bipolar type 2. And when you talk in a fast, chaotic manner you remind me of me in a hypomanic state. 😂❤️
Haha! That’s funny! I think he’s probably performing for the camera some, but he reminds me of a hyperactive kid sometimes! Lol. It has become pretty painful for me to watch him slapping himself!! He’s gotta stop that, goodness! And nothing to be ashamed of having Bipolar Disorder, Type 2.
I love your videos - but you mention so many other ones in your videos- i now how 5 tabs open with ones i want to watch and every one i watch you mention other ones - its never ending - love them - but there is not enough time in a day!! :)
I watch a lot of true crime and legal and my recollection is that many others caught for crimes on this spectrum end their own lives once caught. It just seems to fit. Great breakdown I am really enjoying your channel!
Completely off topic but the item in the background to your right seems to be sitting precariously close to the edge of the table. I’ve noticed this in another of your excellent videos too. Next time could you move it back slightly so I can concentrate better? It’s making me feel anxious. ;-) Analyze that!
What I would do, Is what I've done I tried to commit suicide. When I explained why they assumed I was borderline which I wasn't it was trauma. I get that from looking from the inside out. And I dealt with multiple teen suicides of my kids friends. And you stay so close you're glued to the ones you know are most vulnerable it's in the eyes. Most importantly ask them about the future. Not directly not theirs. But in what they think their bands or anything close to them would be doing. So take them out and input someone else and see how they respond. Because they will have a very good rehearsed response if you focus on them. You can usually see the wave hit them when they realize when have no intentions of seeing it.
New to your channel and appreciate your observations in tying threads together in a complex case. As for the question of can one clinically treat an individual they find morally repulsive, the answer is yes. As a critical care nurse (for three decades) I can attest to those situations. A patient who murdered an entire family, a patient who axe murdered their grandparents over a set of car keys, a violent repeat sexual offender, a patient who had kidnapped and sexually abused an underage relative…my responsibility was to separate emotional aversion from my responsibility to care for the body regardless of how harshly I may judge the act. I don’t believe I have the right to decide who receives treatment and who doesn’t. At a bare minimum, repairing the person physically makes it possible for them to stand trial and undergo legal scrutiny. Who am I to deny that right?
I just wonder whether, statistically, the ultra-privileged/narcissistic/sociopathic A listers are less or more likely to commit suicide when the game is up.
I am thinking along the same lines as you are. I consider JE to be a serial offender, much like a serial killer. Are serial killers put on suicide watch? I don't recall any serial killers that have committed suicide.
I don’t think Epstein killed himself, but I can offer a little about Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD). Suicidal behavior is a clinically significant cause of mortality in those with NPD, but is not well understood (and understudied). What I find really interesting is that suicidal behavior is actually more common in people with NPD than any other Cluster B personality disorder, although they are the least impulsive. In one study I’ve read, they state suicidal ideation may come from a need to protect their self-image of “perfection,” shame, a narcissist injury, feeling exposed or like a failure. It actually makes a lot of sense to me that maybe suicide feels like the only way out for some at these times while incredibly overwhelmed. You may have heard that narcissists are basically black holes with no real sense of selves, so being “found out” must be terrifying! How they are perceived/imagine is everything to them. Covert/vulnerable narcissists have particularly fragile egos. Just a little example that has been in the news somewhat recently. Think about Brian Laundrie, who strangled his fiancé Gabby Petito to death, then hid like a spineless coward from the law! He eventually wrote a disgusting seven page suicide note/story saying it was a mercy killing and he, ironically, couldn’t go on without Gaby, the woman he killed (total BS), so he shot himself. This abusive murderer actually thought he was the victim! He was certainly a covert narcissist and even in video footage and pictures seemed timid with zero personality (black hole), leaching off his fiancé. He only killed himself because he didn’t want to rot in prison the rest of his life. He also probably didn’t want to face the public. He took the easy way out. He’s also a classic example of a narcissists not taking responsibility for anything, even their own behavior. Psychopathy is associated with narcissism, but narcissists are not always psychopaths. Psychopaths really are void of feelings, not just empathy, so I‘d think they’d be less likely to commit suicide. Sociopaths can be incredibly impulsive and reckless. Epstein had been to prison before and only spent EIGHT hours a day in there! I doubt he had a grasp on the reality of his future. Maybe he did. I still think there’s a lot of evidence it was manual strangulation. I also think he had antisocial personality disorder.
There's probably not enough data, but on top of the rest of the risk factors they also have the recognizability. They won't be able to serve their sentence in anonymity like everyone else, and it's not an option to start over quietly, if you get out of prison. It wouldn't be unrealistic if they have a higher risk of suicide than the average person.
I agree he didn't kill himself. Why? Narcissists rarely do unless it's truly the 'end of the road. He had options, possibly bail where he could have tried an escape. If convicted he wouldn't be in general pop anyway because he has status and money and would have a cushy stay wherever they sentence the rich to here. Also he really didn't give a flying f about what others think bc he was rich, saw himself as invincible, and had friends in very high places. Now would have I had put him on 24 hour 1:1 suicide watch? You betcha! High profile case with someone who has lots of charges to answer to, I wouldn't put anything past him or others in charge of watching him. He should have had continued 1:1 guard regardless of what suicide assessment said. In America they say not enough resources until the person is high profile. So no excuse whatsoever for him being unwatched and dead. I worked in mental health 20+ years so still have a bit of a clue, I'd like to think. I enjoy that you are optimistic and upfront about forensic mh issues! Will be watching you more.
If you ask the " victims " they'd like more Jeffrey's !! NO ONE Paid them so well , ever . Hourly rates higher than doctors and Engineers !! They stil dreaming about him . Guys from neighbourhood Never paid so well !!🤩
I think he did it himself. It may have been possible for him to get out for a time, but out to what? Everyone had turned their backs on him, so his lifestyle was gone, and a lot of his self-image was probably crushed, because he could no longer be the nice, charming guy, that all the rich and famous people like. Why would he want to experience that? Eventually he would have to go to trial, where he would be confronted with the victims. While a lot of horrible details have already come out, even more would probably have become public knowledge during the trial. It would have been non-stop humiliation for him, and in the end he would end up spending the rest of his life in prison anyway, and he knew that. He was a lot of things, but stupid is not one of them. He did it, because it was the least uncomfortable option FOR HIM. Conspiracies are hard to cover up. There's always someone, who can't keep their mouth shut. Why would prison personnel and inmates be the exception to this? With the proper training I hope I would be able to examine a man like him, but I wouldn't see it as a defeat if I declared myself incompetent for personal reasons in a case like this.
If he lived up to his trial , he'd be able to prove 90 % of accusations Were utter BS . He knew who's he dealing with and was ready for That . As of " horriffic " things who came out there'd be even more " horriffic " things if public learned that his " victims" " suffered With hourly rates higher than for doctors and engeneers !!🤩
Even with his crimes being so horrible, if I were in that position I would do all I can to help. It is my personality & I always try to look at how many ways I have fallen short of what I should have done. Even though there are far reaching moral & legal differences I believe my job would be to help, period.
regardless of what potential there was in the trial outcome, he’d already lost reputation and so there was no possibility of him regaining the status he once enjoyed, so it could make sense that he calculated that and his ego couldn’t take the possibility of a life less than what he had, given that status seemed to be very important to him.
Why do you think John Ramsey attended the True Crime Conference? Is this about the public perception that he still maintains he had no part in her murder or was it a marketing ploy for his petition? Is he so sure that the scene was sufficiently contaminated that they will never reach a conclusion?That he has made every effort to bring the murderer to justice and consequently sanitise his legacy.?
There’s a channel on the Ramsey case.. Onesolved Mystery. Consider watching it from the beginning! It takes you through an eye opening rabbit hole that no other channel has been able to provide. I think this guy is on to something big!
Dr Das. I am a relatively new viewer to you as a yt creator. I have previously enjoyed your simplified approach while still maintaining your professional credibility. It is nice to see that a psychiatrist might be approachable, even slightly comedic. In my experience, psychiatrists have their own kind of quirk, and you demonstrate this finely. I have found your opinions to be clear and insightful. I watched this episode with interest, and then dismay. Regardless of the crimes committed, i shouldn't hold you to a higher standard but I do, the mockery and the attempt at humour was atrocious, contextually poor, unnecessary to the cause. Combined with your constant weird plugging of your previous work, this episode was disjointed and to be honest, hit very few points. You did not give me any such tools to determine the cause of death. Speculation and personal opinion blended with your own experience do not make a fact. If you are a RUclipsr, then this performance is at least baseline adequate. But you sir are a doctor of psychiatry, not a muppet of the same. Be one or the other, but be a jackass without the label of psychiatrist. You may consider further a review of your own psychiatric meds, i know you reviewed the video, surely you observed the aberrant behaviour? Disappointing. Very.
In the end, neither he committed suicide nor his death was a homicide reasons- without any doubt the most important thing was to prevent letting him die, especially before the trial even started….🤔 imo there are a few too many failures (cameras, guards felling asleep, all he could’ve said about…)
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I served 10 years in prison, I saw many things. Murder does happen even by the Gov, Trust me.
Particularly when Government or former Government figures are alleged to have visited Epstein private Island.(Bill Clinton).
Nothing surprises me anymore.
Obama killed US citizens who weren't even IN prison, so, yeah...
albeit by drone strikes, not hanging, to be fair ;)
the Gov kill people who are in the way; JFK for example
I found a fellow American. 😅 Guards most certainly open cells to allow and/or encourage convicts to "take care" of someone. COs sleep on shift often. USP Atlanta was somewhat recently closed due to the outlandish amount of corruption from COs. The ATF, CIA, and National Guard were dispatched to the prison. All incarcerated people were put on 24/7 lock down and COs detained. Then the National Guard went to each cell individually in full military riot gear, threw in pepper spray grenades, and extracted inmates putting them in "hog tie" style restraints, and allowed them to stay covered in pepper spray until after they were sent to other prisons across the US. The inmates were not behaving in any way that would typically be considered for brute force. I sincerely doubt anyone will truly be held accountable for the atrocities that happened there.
Well, don't forget his friend and long time accomplice Brunel was found dead in his french cell on February 2022. That's not implying a "conspiracy", it's just a fact.
Is that what happened to him... Wow!!
I have never heard of this person. But then i was not very interested in learning more being a victim my self at age 11 of sexual assault.
...and was reported at the time that the cameras malfunctioned not working...same as with epstein
Jeffrey Epstein billionaire associate of presidents, CEOs, Royalty, celebrities, world leaders. How did he make his billions?…. Would blackmail be factor? Throw in the mix a foreign useful idiot and smokescreen like Prince x and we have a perfect cover for a murder to prevent Epstein spilling the beans on his clients that regularly rode in the Lolita express. Virginia Dufreis father knows the truth and has said so.
Thank u
Let's put it this way: do you honestly think that such a high profile inmate would not have been monitored 24/7? Do you honestly think that if they wanted his death to look like suicide, they wouldn't have paved the way well in advance to substantiate that claim? And do you honestly think that killing himself after a mere few days of incarceration, a strong man with billions of dollars to sustain an excellent legal defence, would have done himself in? No way! No matter what your findings, I still maintain that his death was suspicious and that there were extremely powerful people who stood to lose a great deal more than money if Epstein was allowed to testify in court. It was in the interest of those powerful people to make sure that Epstein's mouth was zipped up for good. Either that, or some other poor fellow got murdered and his body used as decoy while Epstein was safely shipped away on some remote island, safe from incarceration or death from fellow inmates. In my view, the fate of such a powerful man as Epstein cannot be so simple as suicide.
Im of the opinion that Jeffey is alive and well, safely living in luxury somewhere.
@@stompthedragon4010 Respectfully, how can you actually think that with all those pictures of him and the scene, as well as an autopsy by the Chief NYC Medical Examiner, PLUS a second autopsy by a very well-known pathologist? You think they’re lying and checked out a different body, happily risking their careers? Sorry, that’s beyond a stretch. As a medical professorial who has worked my butt off, it makes me sad people like you so easily question other’s integrity - when they work hard and tirelessly - with literally no reason at all.
@@freespiritchristina I actually didnt follow it that closely so I was not attacking anyone' s personal integrity, but Im fine with questioning everything.
@@stompthedragon4010 I understand that. I didn’t think you were “attacking” their integrity, just questioning it kinda unfairly. Being a medical examiner is a huge job and ethics is important! I absolutely agree you should question everything, but you say you didn’t follow the case closely, and there’s lots of evidence by two forensic pathologists that it was Epstein. They don’t make mistakes like that; they do sometimes screw up identifying whether cause of death was suicide vs. homicide, etc. Admittedly, certain suggestions are frustrating because they’re so out there and hurt reputations w/o reason. That’s all. Questioning everything is good, but the truth is readily available if you choose to look closely.
@@freespiritchristina Dear Christina, you have to understand that with powerful people anything is possible! they will buy off medical professionals, fake a death certificate, do ANYTHING, as long as they are not exposed. No slight on the medical profession as a general rule, but if you don't know by now, that in every profession or industry, there are actually plenty of people without integrity like you, who will do ANYTHING for money, then you are still a bit naive. No offence, because I can tell from what you've written here that you're an upstanding person. Just that not everyone is like you. and in the case of Epstein, you have to know that he had a whole lot of information on high profile people, even videos that he kept to use for blackmail purposes. I honestly believe this was a huge coverup. Epstein may still be alive for all we know. Just my opinion, dear.
The whole prison system is so weird. Create an environment designed to instil suicidal thoughts in people, while insisting on trying to keep them alive.
torture by any other name
I loved your little snarky sarcastic comment in the beginning, when you said, as all psychiatrists, you have limited resources for prisoners (sad but true), and then followed it up with "because we have really important things like making RUclips video's" 😂 Ad hominem, so.. idk .. just to say: thanks for the videos! Just started subscribing to you and like the content big time ♥️
If he had been handed a life sentence, I wouldn't have any doubt it was self inflicted. Just like most people who have his personality type. I believe it was a hired hit to protect other rich and powerful people.
If I were a psychologist assessing him, I'd do my job. Same with any offender. I may not like them. Their crimes may be the worst kind of crimes. But it's my job - and there are far too many things that can be learned in these evaluations for the victims and for investigators working on his associates, or offenders like him, for my personal feelings to get in the way. The job is too important.
I would however, lean into my sessions with other professionals and bath in bleach.
I enjoy the way you present the psychological facts of each case but also include a touch of humor in an appropriate manner. Yours is my new favorite channel! Thank you for all your hard work!!!
Wow, thank you!
Because there were so many incredibly rich and powerful people who would benefit by his removal, I went through a thought experiment of how one could possibly guard him before it happened. It included having at least six guards round the clock, none of whom knew each other previously, but ultimately a public 24 hr live stream from his cell! It was so obvious it was going to happen.
As a health care provider, I work with people with a wide array of mental and physical problems. I strive to always be professional with all my patient interactions, reminding myself that my job is to render aid to a human being in stress. It can be hard to set aside my own feelings, because sometimes the patients' actions are so alien to my own moral/ethical code. But I remind myself, my job is to provide a service and not to be a friend. While I try to always be objective, I have to admit that I do not think Epstein committed suicide. The timing is suspicious. I'm glad that you, Dr. Das, are out there assessing the mentally disordered so I don't have to, psych was my least favorite rotation. So these days, I assess for homicidal/suicidal ideation on new admissions; and then, if necessary, get to call on a doctor such as yourself to consult on such cases. I like your example of how to approach the subject of suicidal/homicidal ideation.
I don't believe for a nano second he whacked himself. Firstly, men like he don't kill themselves. He may drive other's to kill themselves but his over inflated ego would never allow him to end it all! No way Jose! He's too in love with himself, too arrogant, too narcissistic, too self absorbed, a legend in his own mind.
Secondly, considering the history of only what we do know of the many crime's our government and the CIA have committed, continue to commit, including the accidental leak of their plan to assassinate Julian Assange...the CIA can take someone out quicker than the time it takes to slip on a banana peel and no one the wiser.
Come on, it doesn't even take an armchair psychiatrist/detective to figure that one out!
Lastly, dead men can't talk. He was a massive liability and what he knew and who he knew it about would literally have disastrous consequences. With his knowledge he held the power to expose countless criminal's in high places, topple many empires, Including the US Government.
I agree, that was so well written.I believe your right, thank you for your input.
What bugs me about this is if he indeed had a fractured hyloid in his neck then it more than likely was strangulation. Then he was strung up. So which autopsy do you believe?
That's the part that gets me, too.
I'm a new subscriber. I'm making my way through your previous videos. The information you impart plus your sarcasm/satire is very clever. Can't wait to see more 😊
I’m old enough to be your granny , but I love your darkish humor 😂 you are so refreshing 👍😘
Oh thank you!
Okay, I’ve very recently become a part of your squad. Can I say, your lighthearted humour is so refreshing and relatable 😂 in the beginning, when you say “as a, forensic, psychiatrist” in that sort of camp tone, is something I do 😂 “grab your favourite noose” 🤣 I nearly spat out my wine! Thank you SO much for your content ♥️
I hope you didn't get a stain on your carpet x
@@APsychForSoreMinds I have two children, my carpet is a stain 😂
The CCTV was also off. I believe that he was murdered. So many bad actors who had power and influence potentially benefitted from silencing him
We all know, he didn't kill himself.
Amazing that he was under "suicide watch" and they didn't "watch".
Love this. As a functioning depressive though, I know how to talk a good game. There are a few friends who notice subtle changes but when I had a breakdown 2 years ago, most had no idea.
Sadly the same here.
New subscriber. I just saw you on The Disturbing Truth. How refreshing to see a doctor with a sense of humor. I have a lot to catch up on. Thank you for sharing the deep dark rabbit hole of mental issues.
When you hear about people who have committed suicide, you are often taken completely by surprise. So, it is highly likely that he did kill himself, and was able to fly under the radar during assessment. I am also thinking that he would have had some inkling that he was going to get a long prison sentence (and he wouldn’t have wanted that). Re assessing his suicidal ideation, I would hope that any professional would be able to separate his crime from the way they assess him. If they can’t, then what are they doing in that job. Thanks. Love your channel.
The day before his "suicide" he said he was going to name names...
If I was a phsycologist I would like to think that I wouldn't pass judgement on someone. Like any Doctor I would be trying to heal the person or teach him a way to survive. He probably couldn't have survived in prison and he probably figured he'd have no quality of life so he offed himself
@@lorellgingrich6603 He didnt say he's gonna " name the names ".
His lawyer said he is ready to talk with autorities , which doesnt
Mean he'll accuse anyone . He was confident that he'll find a way
Out of it bc most accusations were ridiculous, eggzagerated with sole purpose to extort money .
Otherwise , why he returned back to US from Paris ?
He was warned that SDNY is getting ready to indict him .
No one in position to ask him questions wouldn't ask him to
" name the names " bc didnt want to hear answers !!😎
@@lorellgingrich6603 🤨Umm…source, references and documentation of this, please!
The fact he was so high profile would mean the officers wouldn't have left him for 3 hours without checking on him.
Love you! Thank you for your intellectual and emotional insights!!!
Ricky Gervais, Golden Globes 2020 🏴
I don’t think JE killed himself. Should I have been in anyway affiliated w/ his processing, I would’ve referred him
Because imo his crimes were despicable. I also don’t think he ever thought he’d have to serve any time incarcerated
Because he was always able to pay his way out.
In my opinion I think it wasn't suicide, but I would also imagine he may have been encouraged if it was. The information he had on some of the world's most powerful people or just the sheer disgust at what he had done would be enough for it to either be silencing or vigilante justice, though the latter would likely not be covered as a suicide.
Were I in control then yes, I would have taken all of the steps necessary to ensure not only that he was monitored carefully for suicide watch, but also protected from others. Not only because it's what should be done in the justice system, but also because he could be used to identify other culprits en mass. There are likely criminals walking away from this without ever receiving justice for as long as they live. Prince Andrew is an obvious example. Legally he hasn't been convicted, but we all know he's guilty. He will likely never get what he deserves and will live comfortably for 30 or so years.
Your English wit has me grinning like a mug. the fact you're a psychologist has me laughing. Your ability to normalise your take and persona is refreshing- not clinical or stiff thankfully- im loving the format, it is my cuppa tea!
He didnt hang himself desperately... if he did, he was given the noose with encouragment. Im only angry he wasnt held to account in court. Many answers were never given even in Ghislaines court case.
I often have suicidal ideation and thoughts on *how however, I have rarely felt compelled to act on those thoughts.. no, Im not writing this from the other side. Do i see myself at risk? No. Life is good atm.Then again, even if i was, i probably wouldnt say- i just would. Most people i know that dont have a fear of death, feel the same.
Also- all the hugs you missed out on as a child. Lol
Yes, I’ll take number 1. He was “suicided”.
I’ve assisted in quite a few autopsies and I’ve seen his autopsy photos.
They weren’t self inflicted with that soft of a cloth at the height.
Very traumatic injuries for that kind of ‘hanging’.
Cameras not working, given a ton of sheets what was that?
Just my opinion-can we talk about Brunel as well?
How reliable are the photos? In this day of digital wizardry they can fake almost anything.
@@stompthedragon4010 sorry it took me so long to respond.
They were the unadulterated photos.
And sometimes they randomly pop back into my brain.
Not something I’d ever wanted.
@@stereophonicsmom understandably
I don’t believe he killed himself, he was so smug even in court. No watch, guards asleep, no video cameras working, it was a set up. I some how don’t think we’ll ever know who did the deed.
I find it hard to believe his paperwork was filled in wrong. Stating that he was black, no sex crimes. They must have been aware when he came in, of who he was ? Because of the media interest. Not as if he was some average John Doe.
You are so thorough in your discussion that I was surprised you didn't mention his narcissism. I have thought he exhibited many indicators and thus precluded him from suicide. Because I am an abuse survivor I did not work with perpetrators after the first one. Can't and won't. No apologies either. Doc. Please try to sit still more. I got sea sick watching you rock back and forth. Thank you.
He's stimming, I think. Please don't tell someone to stop what soothes them.
I used to be a mortician and I've seen Jeffrey's autopsy photos. Its obvious he was choked/garotted to death due to deep ligature marks. His eyes had petchai (can't spell!) plus struggle wounds on his hands. Neck anatomy was significantly damaged too. A bedsheet wouldn't do that to a 6ft man from a bunkbed. I imagine he had a lot to expose about powerful people.
Petikii?
I could watch your vids for hours. Ok. Well. Maybe. Tens of minutes of hours. Always intrigued. Thx. 😊❤️👏👏
I insist that you watch them all back to back without any breaks x
Nice to get information about how prison procedure are performed, and how paperwork is done, from someone who has actually worked in a prison.
Your dad jokes are terrible 🤣 but, they still make me laugh 😂
Interesting video…
I would probably do as minimal as possible. But having seen how sexual criminals affect their victims, I’m not sure I could give him the same support I’d give to a suicidal kid, who’s grown up with uncaring or abusive parents and he’s got himself in trouble with petty crimes. That person would trigger my empathy and I’d want to help them change and do better once they left so I’d give as much help as possible.
Wrong, I know, but that’s why I never chose careers that would put me in those positions, but I have such a strong interest in psychology and cbt etc, I feel I missed my calling.
Just wouldn’t of thought about it when I was younger. So I really enjoy your content.
Would love a video, on inside tbd mind of some of these criminals.
Even if he had gone to trial and been imprisoned, he wouldn't have lasted long unless he was in solitary confinement... he would have been in danger from other prisoners. If memory serves me right, Winestein was/is in solitary confinement for the same reasons.
I'd never put myself in the circumstance of assessing these types of criminals ... my business charity is Abolishing Human Trafficking and I'm more and more involved with the aftercare/rehabilitation of girl survivors of sex trafficking, post trauma healing, so my blood boils with any rape/trafficking incident.
Not for one minute do I think he killed himself.
Thanks for the video! I enjoy your energy
That Ricky Gervais Golden globes joke was hilarious :-D
I ignored the urge to correct you when you said he was found "hung in his cell". I think this shows personal growth. Comedian was RG at some point at The Golden Globes. X
Even if he were to be released on bail he was estranged from everyone, he had lost everything including what mattered most - his reputation. His life would never be the same and he new he would finally face consequences for his actions.
I think that he took the opportunity when the guards didn’t make it around in time to make sure he didn’t have to deal with the consequences of his actions that his money finally couldn’t shield him from. It was probably quite impulsive as these attempts are but he was serious about it and obviously ended up being successful. The worst thing about it is he stopped his victims from seeing him punished in court.
As far as treating him professionally, I think I could separate my personal feelings to treat him. Especially if it meant seeing him mentally safe enough to stand in court so the victims could have their closure. I think as a psychiatrist treating offenders your job is to treat all people because all people have a right to mental health treatment no matter what they have done, and by treating them you also help the victims of the crime by ensuring the perpetrators make it court and are as healthy as they can be (mentally) for the court hearings to go ahead.
Dont worry about " victims " seeking closure . They care for that
As much for last winter snow . Main thing is , they grabbed the
Money given to them so generously by Justice Department . No
Doubt they enjoying it to the fullest , armed with implants , lip fillers ,
Botox and Juviderm , on look out for new clients . And services
Advertised for free on media platforms .
Common sense is dead in America and moral is decaying .
⛔No🚫 , I don't think JE has committed suicide. 🫤✝️
Yes 👍 I can and will be able to seperate the person from their crime and treat them fairly. 🔒⚖️
🏨 As a mental health advocate I am constantly fighting for the rights of people. ⚖️ This includes patients with forensic background. 🚑
You should have a look into John McAfee. Died in similar circumstances but that’s probably the least crazy thing about him.
Well now I have to look into him.
@@commonsense571 OKI’s videos on him are a good start.
I wonder if he just felt it was very likely another inmate or a powerful associate on the outside would find a way to kill him before long, so being a narcissist he killed himself more to control the situation and his own fate than because he was really suicidal. He likely reasoned his life was not going to be tolerable anyway in prison, so he may have just done the maths and decided to go out his own way.
Narcissists never let themselves thinkthat their life will be intolerable.
Narcissists NEVER committ suicide !
Came and subbed after seeing your collaborations with DEADBUG. I like your presentation style, Doc. Thanks!
✌😺
Welcome aboard!
His injuries don't seem conducive to suicide. There were multiple fractures of his neck including the hyoid bone. Further, there was seemingly no force applied to his neck that would have resulted in the injuries indicatwd if one factors in his alleged method of suicide. The multiple fractures align with homicide more than suicide, in my opinion. If he was alive and in treatment his crimes should have no bearing on his treatment. It's an obligation to provide the best treatment possible to aid in his rehabilitation even if he was given a life sentence. Those who are treatment providers shouldn't act as judge, jury and executioner but act in the patient's best interests, no exceptions. All guesses, of course, because I wasn't there but it's always interesting to speculate given the facts that we have available!
He knew far too much about too many extremely powerful people and may have been tempted to talk at some point to reduce his own sentence so ........... Murdered.
The paperwork recorded that he denied being suicidal and denied having a history of mental health problems, but paperwork also showed that he was ticked as being black and having committed no sex crimes - so it's very hard to believe any of the paperwork. I think he did kill himself, because he would have realised that there was no way he could wriggle out of a long prison term and he probably thought better to do it now that later when it would be more difficult (in terms of privacy and supervision). Ghislaine Maxwell has all the names, so getting rid of Epstein (if that's what happened) would have done only half the job of a cover up, and as far as I know, she is still alive.
“Bill Dr. Grande.” 😂
Change of mind he was murdered . I watched Larry Lawton ( biggest jewel thief in USA, 12 years in prison, ) Larry said he knew too many big names to let live.
I really enjoyed this vid my man, nice one.
I appreciate it!
Another great episode... It's a tough one to know for sure when there are so many miscommunications and slip ups that occurred.. I wouldn't be surprised either way though.
Truth is stranger than fiction they say!!
Ppl that have never been in prison don't understand how time gets stretched out and stimulation can go both ways to much to none at all
Ricky Gervais Golden Globes 2020... easy.
I love that you pointed out risk assessment is an art. As you were talking, before saying that, I was thinking to myself that it is definitely an art or “scart”, as a former professor of mine liked to call it (science and art). I 100% agree that rapport needs to be developed and the clinician shouldn’t be robotic. I also approach this topic similarly to the way you do, and find it’s much more effective. I do not think Epstein killed himself. Love your content (and your humor!), per usual! 🥰
Oops, forgot to say-I’d have no trouble separating his crime from assessing him professionally. I’ve only had 1 person in my career that made me want to steer clear. I assessed that person one time, and not a second.
Don't know about conspiracy...but it sure was convenient for a whole bunch of rich people...
I'm interested to listen but personally I don't believe he exterminated himself. He had too much money and too many people who could help him disappear. He's probably on a beach somewhere with a young lady.
I agree
…. A very young lady….!
I wish you're right . He deserved it considering all the mud thrown
At him for what he did and what he didnt do . 90 % of accusations
Were utter lies motivated with money .
Can you do a video on your workflow for making videos?
A dream inside a dream inside a dream?
On balance, because of his personality type, I can't see Epstein's death as suicide. He wasn't in the least bit subtle - the arrogance required to do what he did precludes that - so I can't see him being tricky enough to set up the ideal circumstances to allow himself the opportunity to kill himself unobserved. Plus how was he to know that the guards that night would be asleep/internet browsing.
Also of course he was days away from possible release.
Then there's the coincidence of the way his hyoid bone was broken. It is within the bounds of possibility that it was broken by hanging himself but it is an outside chance.
Nope.
It just doesn't add up to suicide.
"Go bill Dr. Grande" made me laugh out loud.
Ricky Gervais at the 2020 Golden Globes
Doc, your smart arse jokes tear me up. Love a good smart arse's humor! Oh, content is awesome too. 😂
Ricky Gervais. Golden Globes. January 2020.
😂Got way too excited that I knew that.
And bill Dr Grande. I'm dead 💀
You probably won't take this as a compliment but I've recently been diagnosed with bipolar type 2. And when you talk in a fast, chaotic manner you remind me of me in a hypomanic state. 😂❤️
Haha! That’s funny! I think he’s probably performing for the camera some, but he reminds me of a hyperactive kid sometimes! Lol. It has become pretty painful for me to watch him slapping himself!! He’s gotta stop that, goodness! And nothing to be ashamed of having Bipolar Disorder, Type 2.
@@freespiritchristina thank you 😊 ❤️
I love your videos - but you mention so many other ones in your videos- i now how 5 tabs open with ones i want to watch and every one i watch you mention other ones - its never ending - love them - but there is not enough time in a day!! :)
There is no way on this green earth that Jeffrey killed himself!!
I'd go in dressed like a barely legal cheerleader and twirl my pigtails until he confessed.
Fred West & Harold Shipman both committed suicide in prison. I suspect both were "helped".
Shipman did it so his wife could claim his life insurance.
Hello Dr Das, trust that you are well and enjoying a hot English summer. Thanks for this insight. Take care.
Loved the Ending 🤣
I watch a lot of true crime and legal and my recollection is that many others caught for crimes on this spectrum end their own lives once caught. It just seems to fit.
Great breakdown I am really enjoying your channel!
I appreciate your humor. Clearly you’ve dealt with some fairy dark cases.
I'll let you off the cookie for the Dodo tangent. Had to rewind several times 😆😆😆
Completely off topic but the item in the background to your right seems to be sitting precariously close to the edge of the table. I’ve noticed this in another of your excellent videos too. Next time could you move it back slightly so I
can
concentrate better? It’s making me feel anxious. ;-) Analyze that!
What I would do, Is what I've done I tried to commit suicide. When I explained why they assumed I was borderline which I wasn't it was trauma. I get that from looking from the inside out. And I dealt with multiple teen suicides of my kids friends. And you stay so close you're glued to the ones you know are most vulnerable it's in the eyes. Most importantly ask them about the future. Not directly not theirs. But in what they think their bands or anything close to them would be doing. So take them out and input someone else and see how they respond. Because they will have a very good rehearsed response if you focus on them. You can usually see the wave hit them when they realize when have no intentions of seeing it.
2:57 "potatophiles"?
New to your channel and appreciate your observations in tying threads together in a complex case. As for the question of can one clinically treat an individual they find morally repulsive, the answer is yes. As a critical care nurse (for three decades) I can attest to those situations. A patient who murdered an entire family, a patient who axe murdered their grandparents over a set of car keys, a violent repeat sexual offender, a patient who had kidnapped and sexually abused an underage relative…my responsibility was to separate emotional aversion from my responsibility to care for the body regardless of how harshly I may judge the act. I don’t believe I have the right to decide who receives treatment and who doesn’t. At a bare minimum, repairing the person physically makes it possible for them to stand trial and undergo legal scrutiny. Who am I to deny that right?
I just wonder whether, statistically, the ultra-privileged/narcissistic/sociopathic A listers are less or more likely to commit suicide when the game is up.
I am thinking along the same lines as you are. I consider JE to be a serial offender, much like a serial killer. Are serial killers put on suicide watch? I don't recall any serial killers that have committed suicide.
I don’t think Epstein killed himself, but I can offer a little about Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD). Suicidal behavior is a clinically significant cause of mortality in those with NPD, but is not well understood (and understudied). What I find really interesting is that suicidal behavior is actually more common in people with NPD than any other Cluster B personality disorder, although they are the least impulsive. In one study I’ve read, they state suicidal ideation may come from a need to protect their self-image of “perfection,” shame, a narcissist injury, feeling exposed or like a failure. It actually makes a lot of sense to me that maybe suicide feels like the only way out for some at these times while incredibly overwhelmed. You may have heard that narcissists are basically black holes with no real sense of selves, so being “found out” must be terrifying! How they are perceived/imagine is everything to them. Covert/vulnerable narcissists have particularly fragile egos.
Just a little example that has been in the news somewhat recently. Think about Brian Laundrie, who strangled his fiancé Gabby Petito to death, then hid like a spineless coward from the law! He eventually wrote a disgusting seven page suicide note/story saying it was a mercy killing and he, ironically, couldn’t go on without Gaby, the woman he killed (total BS), so he shot himself. This abusive murderer actually thought he was the victim! He was certainly a covert narcissist and even in video footage and pictures seemed timid with zero personality (black hole), leaching off his fiancé. He only killed himself because he didn’t want to rot in prison the rest of his life. He also probably didn’t want to face the public. He took the easy way out. He’s also a classic example of a narcissists not taking responsibility for anything, even their own behavior.
Psychopathy is associated with narcissism, but narcissists are not always psychopaths. Psychopaths really are void of feelings, not just empathy, so I‘d think they’d be less likely to commit suicide. Sociopaths can be incredibly impulsive and reckless.
Epstein had been to prison before and only spent EIGHT hours a day in there! I doubt he had a grasp on the reality of his future. Maybe he did. I still think there’s a lot of evidence it was manual strangulation. I also think he had antisocial personality disorder.
There's probably not enough data, but on top of the rest of the risk factors they also have the recognizability. They won't be able to serve their sentence in anonymity like everyone else, and it's not an option to start over quietly, if you get out of prison.
It wouldn't be unrealistic if they have a higher risk of suicide than the average person.
@@Raztiana On the other hand their arrogance and inflated egos may keep them going.
I agree he didn't kill himself. Why? Narcissists rarely do unless it's truly the 'end of the road. He had options, possibly bail where he could have tried an escape. If convicted he wouldn't be in general pop anyway because he has status and money and would have a cushy stay wherever they sentence the rich to here. Also he really didn't give a flying f about what others think bc he was rich, saw himself as invincible, and had friends in very high places. Now would have I had put him on 24 hour 1:1 suicide watch? You betcha! High profile case with someone who has lots of charges to answer to, I wouldn't put anything past him or others in charge of watching him. He should have had continued 1:1 guard regardless of what suicide assessment said. In America they say not enough resources until the person is high profile. So no excuse whatsoever for him being unwatched and dead.
I worked in mental health 20+ years so still have a bit of a clue, I'd like to think. I enjoy that you are optimistic and upfront about forensic mh issues! Will be watching you more.
Love the Ryan George reference, super easy, barely an inconvenience!
The world needs more Ricky’s and less Jeffrey’s.
If you ask the " victims " they'd like more Jeffrey's !! NO ONE
Paid them so well , ever . Hourly rates higher than doctors and
Engineers !! They stil dreaming about him . Guys from neighbourhood
Never paid so well !!🤩
He did not kill himself
Really interesting thank you
So Doctor, what do you say about people who cut eyes out of photos, leaving a black hole? Or are you a big fan of the black button eyes in Coraline?
I think he did it himself.
It may have been possible for him to get out for a time, but out to what? Everyone had turned their backs on him, so his lifestyle was gone, and a lot of his self-image was probably crushed, because he could no longer be the nice, charming guy, that all the rich and famous people like. Why would he want to experience that?
Eventually he would have to go to trial, where he would be confronted with the victims. While a lot of horrible details have already come out, even more would probably have become public knowledge during the trial. It would have been non-stop humiliation for him, and in the end he would end up spending the rest of his life in prison anyway, and he knew that. He was a lot of things, but stupid is not one of them. He did it, because it was the least uncomfortable option FOR HIM.
Conspiracies are hard to cover up. There's always someone, who can't keep their mouth shut. Why would prison personnel and inmates be the exception to this?
With the proper training I hope I would be able to examine a man like him, but I wouldn't see it as a defeat if I declared myself incompetent for personal reasons in a case like this.
If he lived up to his trial , he'd be able to prove 90 % of accusations
Were utter BS . He knew who's he dealing with and was ready for
That . As of " horriffic " things who came out there'd be even more
" horriffic " things if public learned that his " victims" " suffered
With hourly rates higher than for doctors and engeneers !!🤩
Actually I did get that it was Ricky Gervais at the Golden Globes in around 3 seconds - well it just had to be. I don't need a cookie .
eat the god-damn cookie, or there'll be trouble
The cameras were down at the time too. Only the ones that would have caught anyone going into his cell and back.
Even with his crimes being so horrible, if I were in that position I would do all I can to help. It is my personality & I always try to look at how many ways I have fallen short of what I should have done. Even though there are far reaching moral & legal differences I believe my job would be to help, period.
I'd save him as well, we needed him to testify. But what Bill wants, Bill gets.
Enough to make even price Andrew sweat 🥵😰🤣
Loved that one being slipped in 😅😅
Ricky Gervais at his last time hosting the Oscars 😄
Ricky Gervais.
What do you keep messing with in front you?
Scrolling down?
Ricky Gervais, the Oscar’s..2020
regardless of what potential there was in the trial outcome, he’d already lost reputation and so there was no possibility of him regaining the status he once enjoyed, so it could make sense that he calculated that and his ego couldn’t take the possibility of a life less than what he had, given that status seemed to be very important to him.
Why do you think John Ramsey attended the True Crime Conference?
Is this about the public perception that he still maintains he had no part in her murder or was it a marketing
ploy for his petition?
Is he so sure that the scene was sufficiently contaminated that they will never reach a conclusion?That he has made every effort to bring the murderer to justice and consequently sanitise his legacy.?
There’s a channel on the Ramsey case.. Onesolved Mystery. Consider watching it from the beginning! It takes you through an eye opening rabbit hole that no other channel has been able to provide. I think this guy is on to something big!
Fascinating.
Night staff almost never does their job, sleeping on the job is standard for everyone in prison.
The dad jokes are the worst, love everything about this channel.............. apart from the cringe humour.
I subscribed for the lifetime of hot water, thank you 😉
Awesome! Thank you!
Brilliant interesting and educating podcast on serious matters but the music is so off putting
So plainly obviously a homicide.
Dr Das. I am a relatively new viewer to you as a yt creator. I have previously enjoyed your simplified approach while still maintaining your professional credibility. It is nice to see that a psychiatrist might be approachable, even slightly comedic. In my experience, psychiatrists have their own kind of quirk, and you demonstrate this finely. I have found your opinions to be clear and insightful.
I watched this episode with interest, and then dismay. Regardless of the crimes committed, i shouldn't hold you to a higher standard but I do, the mockery and the attempt at humour was atrocious, contextually poor, unnecessary to the cause. Combined with your constant weird plugging of your previous work, this episode was disjointed and to be honest, hit very few points. You did not give me any such tools to determine the cause of death. Speculation and personal opinion blended with your own experience do not make a fact. If you are a RUclipsr, then this performance is at least baseline adequate. But you sir are a doctor of psychiatry, not a muppet of the same. Be one or the other, but be a jackass without the label of psychiatrist. You may consider further a review of your own psychiatric meds, i know you reviewed the video, surely you observed the aberrant behaviour? Disappointing. Very.
In the end, neither he committed suicide nor his death was a homicide reasons- without any doubt the most important thing was to prevent letting him die, especially before the trial even started….🤔 imo there are a few too many failures (cameras, guards felling asleep, all he could’ve said about…)