Josh B. Unfortunately it’s already happened. When you look at how much we should be talking about it compared to how much we are, what’s the point we will never know more than what we do right now.
Yah tbh we should as a people be protesting in the street. Not necessarily for this but how about to make corporations pay taxes or something. Why as a society is it normal for a CEO to make more in an hour than it's workers make in over 100 days
Democrats connection with epstien started to get some light.... ---- > try to impeach Trump over a normal phone call any president would have made. At some point you can't keep ignoring the real story.... can we?
Exactly. that's why the "epstein didn't kill himself" meme blew up so hard. It wasn't woke conspiracy theorists. They did in on purpose because they knew people would theorize no matter what because of the cameras going out and such, so they controlled the narrative and made their own theory so people would be occupied with that and think that they knew the truth. the truth is, he never died
Hahahahah when he describes Epstein’s cell mate as a “gorilla” and then when he pulls up the pic, matey takes a sigh and says “I’m so glad he’s white” hahahah
@@ryandozier8053 yeah he's covered it extensively on his channel and reads excerpts of them. Even visited the house in London where the pic of Prince andrew with his arm around the young girl was taken. If you really are interested in the whole case his coverage is by far the most thorough I've seen out there. He Interviewed a couple days ago the police chief who fled to Russia after he received incriminating backup files relating to epstein after his police source recently died mysteriously and the fbi came down on him hard. It's a real in depth mind blower
i'm a pilot, flew over his ranch outside of santa fe nm a couple months ago and there were a handful of cars in the driveway, a plane on the runway, and a bunch of people walking around. dude's either still alive or someone else took over his legacy
Joe Vanilla Millions? More like trillions. Epstein was connected to royal families and institutions that reach far back into human history. I think he is dead, because it was too dangerous to keep him alive.
Pandah Sykes Yeah, but Epstein had connections that we cannot even fathom. He knew way too much. It’s extremely complicated to fake a death; there’s too many factors that could go wrong. It was much easier to kill him.
Think about it! All cameras malfunctioned, his cell mate was moved the night before, the guards where overworked or extremely tired. Which jeopardize the 30 minute oservation rounds. The body was picked up and removed totally against a suicide or murder protocal. The minimum amount of evidence which are pictures. And not mentioning all the people he knew. No clear picture of him when they were moving his body to the transport vehicle. They didnt show detailed pictures. Nothing!
@@TheKitchenerLeslie Stand your ground. Trump mentioned “12 years” multiple times...the left interpreted it as Trump serving 3 terms.... The war isn’t over yet. Always 5 steps ahead. Trump 2024 Midterms will be fun as well
No the bad choice of words was "So glad he's white".... that's kinda racist... everybody knows when Joe says GO-RILLA he's talking about a big ass nigga no matter what race
Or best luck ever. I bet he was put there by Epstein people to protect him, or he was put there by the Clintons to kill him. Or he was just simply a normal cell mate and we are all stupid idiots.
This was a good short video. When that guy said Epstien is alive and someone saw him in his jeep on his island. So they put that super muscle cop that killed four people in his cell, and he commited "suicide" , but since that cop was in there, many would believe he got killed, but actually he was just put back on his island to live out his life. So it looks like a murder but "actually" a suicide. But really he was let go, but limited to his island.
He isn't alive. He knew too much and had too much evidence. He had to go, the elite couldn't take that risk of letting him live. I am all for credible conspiray theories but Epstein being alive is ridicilous for above said reasons.
Here is how it works...the 4 bones broken thing ; this only embellishes the BS story.. more people will believe a make believe story if it is made to have subtle peculiarities, 4 bones broken bones etc. well it must be a legit suicide “ the deception in politics and the mega rich is very very deep and they are masters of it. I’m calling bullshit, he is probably alive somewhere.
The funeral happened. There were no cameras or witnesses but it happened. Authorities need a few months to acquire the documents needed to prove a funeral took place which is why you can't find any. Cease your investigations now.
Oh no, theres no bodies on the island, after the girls and boys become too old and grow out of puberty, they are then sold off into the galactic slave trade to live out the rest of their lives.
What pisses me off more than anything is the info in his "diary" or whatever was never released and those people were never brought into question. What about his woman that was apparently helping him get these girls? She is still alive and out.
Because then it makes it sort of an employee podcast. If he talked to Jaime when he has a different guest, it would come off as slightly rude to the guest.
Norton was my 8th grade math teacher and linebacker coach back in 01 in a little town in North Carolina lived very modestly but drove a diff jaguar or lambo everyday.. He was an ex punter for the Houston Oilers and an all around good guy.. he was late 50s early 20s back then so hes pushing 80 now.. Ed Norton was/is waaaaay better than McAfee
They’ve been able to skirt us this far, and you expect to catch proof from BANK statements and other LEGAL documents...? Like that wouldn’t be the first place people looked, and the easiest to erase and tamper? A paper-trail isn’t going to show shit... Total transparency would mean you and I, ourselves, walking up to his ‘dead body’, watching and analyzing those ‘broken cameras’ and seeing firsthand the situation.
Cell mate wasn't just a gorilla Joe. Epstien complained days before his death that his cell mate wanted to kill him AND HAD BEEN PLAYING WITH HIS NECK directly to his lawyer. This is recorded, yet never talked about.
He also paid for the fastest freight possible to get that cement truck shipped. A disclaimer in it said that if damaged during shipment, the company was not liable.
McAfee was researching ingredients in the tropics and the local authorities became a problem. I read that he funded local authorities to clean up corruption and make his area safe, then that got the attention of the entire island.
I agree, I’m sure he covered his ass so that if he died information would be released about some powerful people. He is getting plastic surgery and a new identify.
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Get Epstein on the podcast Joe
This needs more likes lol
lmaooooo
psyche he’ll make it happen exclusively && blow up as the greatest all time podcast ever to exist
HAHAHAHA
Go to israel he hiding over there
We can never stop talking about Epstein. They want everyone to forget fast.
Josh B. Unfortunately it’s already happened. When you look at how much we should be talking about it compared to how much we are, what’s the point we will never know more than what we do right now.
Yah tbh we should as a people be protesting in the street. Not necessarily for this but how about to make corporations pay taxes or something. Why as a society is it normal for a CEO to make more in an hour than it's workers make in over 100 days
Way2Dylagent because the executives and higher-ups’ job at that company is 100,000x more important than the 16 year old behind the cash register
Democrats connection with epstien started to get some light.... ---- > try to impeach Trump over a normal phone call any president would have made.
At some point you can't keep ignoring the real story.... can we?
Didn't all this Greta Thunberg bullshit start right around then?
He's not dead he just made a deal and has been disappeared
Exactly. that's why the "epstein didn't kill himself" meme blew up so hard. It wasn't woke conspiracy theorists.
They did in on purpose because they knew people would theorize no matter what because of the cameras going out and such, so they controlled the narrative and made their own theory so people would be occupied with that and think that they knew the truth. the truth is, he never died
Cisco ambulance and coroner's van on TV wtf
They gave him a bigger island full of younger kids.
Hes' there with Elvis and JFK.
😂
💀
Oh really? I thought he was Jewish. Did he convert to Islam? Ba Dumts!
Oh wow.... you really set this up good.... now im kicked off the internet.
Hahahahah when he describes Epstein’s cell mate as a “gorilla” and then when he pulls up the pic, matey takes a sigh and says “I’m so glad he’s white” hahahah
I nearly died lmfao
If that cell mate was black he would have raped the Hell out of Epstein..
@@outlawgt3045 word?
that was hilarious! hahahaha
@@outlawgt3045 aye bruh fr ?
Joe needs to get Shaun attwood on this. He knows so much about the epstein case, went over all the court docs etc. It has to happen
thompson223 REALLYYY? Love that dude for his Ted Talk
@@ryandozier8053 yeah he's covered it extensively on his channel and reads excerpts of them. Even visited the house in London where the pic of Prince andrew with his arm around the young girl was taken.
If you really are interested in the whole case his coverage is by far the most thorough I've seen out there. He Interviewed a couple days ago the police chief who fled to Russia after he received incriminating backup files relating to epstein after his police source recently died mysteriously and the fbi came down on him hard. It's a real in depth mind blower
That’s so fucking stupid
Ah it sucks that he is banned from the US for life. 😢 it would be awesome to have him on this podcast.
@@TrueBlackOrchid yeah true. He could always do it online though, it would be brilliant
This is probably the most I have ever heard young Jamie talk
Theres an entire podcast with just Jamie and Joe it's a good one
Alejandro Ramirez he’s gotta flex on Redban
yeah, he used to talk a lot more before.. the death stares.. *shudders*
@@tilberry19 ok the Tizzle
theTizzle Jamie’s a cool cat wym
i'm a pilot, flew over his ranch outside of santa fe nm a couple months ago and there were a handful of cars in the driveway, a plane on the runway, and a bunch of people walking around. dude's either still alive or someone else took over his legacy
His still alive
Still alive
@V^IVIike^V in New Mexico?
@V^IVIike^V The guy said his ranch in new mexico, not his island. Dude had land all over
Rgofo
The sad thing is we dont see who else is guilty. They paid millions and got it swept under the rug.
Joe Vanilla Millions? More like trillions.
Epstein was connected to royal families and institutions that reach far back into human history.
I think he is dead, because it was too dangerous to keep him alive.
/-\lien 8string a milked cow is more valuable then a butchered cow though
Pandah Sykes Yeah, but Epstein had connections that we cannot even fathom. He knew way too much. It’s extremely complicated to fake a death; there’s too many factors that could go wrong. It was much easier to kill him.
Look at the news now
I feel the money went the other direction.... they didn't pay for protection they were paid for their work
Think about it! All cameras malfunctioned, his cell mate was moved the night before, the guards where overworked or extremely tired. Which jeopardize the 30 minute oservation rounds. The body was picked up and removed totally against a suicide or murder protocal. The minimum amount of evidence which are pictures. And not mentioning all the people he knew. No clear picture of him when they were moving his body to the transport vehicle. They didnt show detailed pictures. Nothing!
You forgot the aG
In the van
2 hours prior
He's still alive or got assassinated. He defiantly didn't commit suicide tho.
Definitely**
@@llamacebu216 maybe that wasn't a Spelling mistake and he defiantly didn't commit suicide 🤣 but someone killed him because of his disobedience.
@@llamacebu216 thank you llama I would have never understood
Witness Protection Program - October Surprise
@@TheKitchenerLeslie
Stand your ground. Trump mentioned “12 years” multiple times...the left interpreted it as Trump serving 3 terms....
The war isn’t over yet. Always 5 steps ahead.
Trump 2024
Midterms will be fun as well
Joe “don’t suicide me please” Rogan
"he killed 4 people in a bad coke deal"
Joe: whoopsies
Ikr. Lol. Casual as.
The best
Or shit have about that, "Joe holy shit Rogan "
AFV571 Joe “whoopsies!” Rogan
LMAO “whooopsies...no big deal.” Hahahahaha
Joe acting like Jones didn’t tell him about Epstein two years ago on episode #911.
Fr? Do you have a timestamp for that by chance?
@@Tony_Pesta its around 20 minutes. Read comments on it their will be someone who time-stamped it
That was my thought lmao joe was trying hard to put up a front
27:33 #911
Episode 911 HuH?!.. time Stamped At 27:33?! GIT YOUR Numerology on.
“What is that guys name”
“Nicholas Tartaglione”
....
My name is Nicholas Tartaglino lolol
Thought to myself I didnt do that hahaha
Hahahahahahahahaha this simulation is too much
Now that's fucked!
Lol
Ok you can be honest with me I won't tell anyone...did you do it?
How do We know?
The real question is: which Hollywood, media, and political elites WOULDN’T have been implicated with Epstein’s testimony.
Tom Hanks
@@KMcNally117 don't be so sure
Joe “his cell mate is a GO-RILLA”
Jamie “so happy he is white”
😂😂😂😂😂 bad choice of words joe
@Collin Mariano remember what happened to Rosanna Bar? Same would happen to Joe if the dude was black instead of white
No the bad choice of words was
"So glad he's white".... that's kinda racist... everybody knows when Joe says GO-RILLA he's talking about a big ass nigga no matter what race
Bad choice of words if you're a pussy, sure
@2300 Slatt that's actually what he meant but you got all these green ass white boys on youtube who're lost in the sauce
@2300 Slatt That's exactly how I heard it too, lol. I forgot he called the guy a gorilla. 🤦♂️
Has Jeffrey Epstein ever done DMT?! Pull it up jamie
Mr WalletFat hahahahaha
Classic Joe Rogan
I mean I didn’t even hear about the guys funeral at the very least.
It's not like anyone would have been attending that.
@@jeffreyyoungblood7438 Prince Phillip would've been there.
kyle sessing haha Bantz!!!
I heard hillary bill sent flowers. There going to miss the best babysitter they ever had
Drone footage has strangely stopped shortly after his “death”
Al Bundy poor Rusty. True American!
Garry Reyom yup I hope he’s ok
So important this got brought up. This should be investigated to the bone. Sadly it won't and the whole thing will be buried. Keep bringing it up Joe!
This comment aged well
Imagine walking in your cell and thats your cell mate. Worst luck ever.
Or best luck ever. I bet he was put there by Epstein people to protect him, or he was put there by the Clintons to kill him. Or he was just simply a normal cell mate and we are all stupid idiots.
It's prison moron, were all huge..
Lots of us look like that inside
This was a good short video. When that guy said Epstien is alive and someone saw him in his jeep on his island. So they put that super muscle cop that killed four people in his cell, and he commited "suicide" , but since that cop was in there, many would believe he got killed, but actually he was just put back on his island to live out his life. So it looks like a murder but "actually" a suicide. But really he was let go, but limited to his island.
Look at the options that wiki and MSM give us, suicide or murder, but rarely alive and escaped.
I mean anythings possible in this nightmare.
With all the corruption in the government sounds most likely
He isn't alive. He knew too much and had too much evidence. He had to go, the elite couldn't take that risk of letting him live. I am all for credible conspiray theories but Epstein being alive is ridicilous for above said reasons.
Nobody committed suicide at that prison in over 45 years.
He didn't either.
you don't break your neck in 4 places, when doing a bed hanging. That's legit an asphyxiation death....
@@Novellization yea he was murdered no doubt. Or in the Bahamas
That Number is Alone Telling..🤔 Break it DOWN.
Milkshake Of Death well you are , yes
Here is how it works...the 4 bones broken thing ; this only embellishes the BS story.. more people will believe a make believe story if it is made to have subtle peculiarities, 4 bones broken bones etc. well it must be a legit suicide “ the deception in politics and the mega rich is very very deep and they are masters of it. I’m calling bullshit, he is probably alive somewhere.
Finally, somebody is still talking about Epstein. And thank u Joe for having the balls to say what's your take on his death. Thank u.
*out of all the things that I don’t know but I’m sure about*
These videos hit different when you're up at 630am with no sleep cause you got PTSD.
Love your channel man .
I'm still waiting to see his funeral, haven't heard or seen a thing about it
The funeral happened.
There were no cameras or witnesses but it happened.
Authorities need a few months to acquire the documents needed to prove a funeral took place which is why you can't find any.
Cease your investigations now.
They probably did smh
Prove it happened
Funeral is also not a proof of his death. It could be just for the show with an empty casket.
We live in a day and age that one scandal sweeps the next one under the rug almost weekly. Nothing ever becomes of any of them AND nothing ever will.
There never found Hitler's Body... and for some reason History Books still say they did.
They actually did find hitlers body do some research
No they didn't
DangusPrime Gaming yes they did
@@_ralph9524 they did find it but it turned out it was a womans body
Elias Koli that is honestly the most shocking part of her case and Epstein’s
"that's REALLY high, it's like, 11,000 square feet".
breathe and squeeze so stoned that distance had now become 3 dimensions😂
I wonder how many girls are buried on that island
"Natalie...Holloway"-Patrice O Neal.
Oh no, theres no bodies on the island, after the girls and boys become too old and grow out of puberty, they are then sold off into the galactic slave trade to live out the rest of their lives.
@@LuminousSapien Corey Goode and his BS
@@siddykay8434 what if he is right though? Lol, imagine that
How many of them Clinton killed
Why is Joe wearing a space suit. I’m so out of context right now.
I think the last time Redban was on they wore space suits? Idk I guess I'll figure out when I watch the whole podcast
NASA propaganda*
he wore the suit on a episode with Duncan... they got super high! LOL
To be goofy
There on DMT
Whenever it involves the Royal Family, people go away. Ask Diana.
Diana is still alive she is with trump, Barron trumps mom is Princess Diana
What pisses me off more than anything is the info in his "diary" or whatever was never released and those people were never brought into question. What about his woman that was apparently helping him get these girls? She is still alive and out.
The conversation always gets wildly sidelined when Joe or his guest wears NASA clothing
Matthew Brennan cause it means they’re hitting outer space
Yea thats how you know theyre tripping LOL
Another realm
Joe “GO-RILLA” Rogan
I'm glad hes white 😂
Soyyo - what does it say about redban that he assumed the cell mate was black when Joe described him as a gorilla?
JP 2016: Clean your room.
JP 2019: Clean your RV meth lab.
Tweakers are known to clean alot
@Grant Goldberg oh snap !
@Grant Goldberg Damn sorry bro did his joke hit too close to home?
"A bad COKE deal" ... is there a good one.
Yea when four people don't get killed you know?
John Smith uhhh yeah...when you get the coke, enjoy the coke, and nobody dies 🤷🏼♂️
Guess you don't get good coke....
When you’re so high you need a space suit 😂
Hahahaha
When redban is there Rogan talks to jaime way more. He seems like a cool guy.
Because then it makes it sort of an employee podcast. If he talked to Jaime when he has a different guest, it would come off as slightly rude to the guest.
Redban is stupid. Idk how Joe bears with that mama's boy
Good point Linux
Joe “ out of all things that I’m sure about” Rogan
It's a case of "I don't know it for a fact, I just know it's true"
Tango Nevada it’s entirely possible
Tripped out cause I read this as soon as he said it. Simulation confirmed
"I'm glad he's white" lmao....I was thinking the same thing. But I don't think Joe would really give a fook either way.
Jews aren't White. Ever heard of WW2?
Rick Sullivan my guy...
Brian "I'm so glad he's white" redban
He's alive. The autopsy picture did not look like him.
There's an autopsy photo?
@@KMcNally117 yes
I love how they can’t say he’s in Israel because that would be anti-Semitic like everything else anybody says
@@notsahi4563 Because of his connection to Ehud Barak, former prime minister of Israel. Who's infamous in Israel for his corruption aligations.
i had that theory too. that someone very powerful took epstein and now epstein is paying life debts somewhere privately
isn’t anti semitic the hate against jews? explain too me how the fuck is saying he’s in israel is anti semitic
@@newenglandpats1031 you cant say anything good or bad against Israel. It's against the law here in the u.s. to say bad things. Free speech is gone.
Timothy Gray wrong
“Im so glad he white”
ded.
Aar0nGaming that was the funniest line of the clip.
When you fart in that suit you probably enjoy the smell for days.
JPM Designs LLC. Ur fucked hahah
"He must've had a boat"
It was Mccafee.
You mean MC Coffee ?
Wanna have a hump party
@@Alekth85 McAfee my bad
@Telios Abraxas I'm fucking down. Just because of your name though...well played.
I never got to personally conduct my autopsy of the corpse so yes, yes he's alive.
"He's still Alive "
Joe ' they so wacked that guy' Rogan
I have not been whacked.
“I’m FO SURE they wacked this guy”
26 DIFFERENT TIMES!!!!!!!!
1st time was murder attempt. 2nd time was escape.
No he was murder because if he was alive he would talk
@@kamikazekid94 Why would he talk? Wave to authorities and yell I got away with rape? Joe ignored guests position he's alive just to assert his own.
"Out of all the things I'm most sure about, that I don't know..."
A lot of people disguise themselves and hide in plain sight. Its scary
The difference between this Rogan and the Spotify Rogan just amazes me
Whats the difference i only know this one
No difference tbh
Norton was my 8th grade math teacher and linebacker coach back in 01 in a little town in North Carolina lived very modestly but drove a diff jaguar or lambo everyday.. He was an ex punter for the Houston Oilers and an all around good guy.. he was late 50s early 20s back then so hes pushing 80 now.. Ed Norton was/is waaaaay better than McAfee
Is anyone else bothered by Joe's head cushion being off center.
Fuck you for making me noticing that.
it always is
Fuuuck why did u do this to us
The OCD community. I love you guys
Could use it ss a meter for showing how high he is😂😂
Joe should get Shaun Atwood on to talk about all the Epstein drama
Joe looks kinda baked on this. Yet it's sober october
If Joe was to get an Island it would just end up being a DMT farm
Have I seen a body, have you? He might very well still live!
yes he is.
questions to ask
1. where is the body?
2. why are the workers still tending his property?
We need to check his cell mate bank account and see if large dollar transfers were made or his background to see if anything was expunged
They’ve been able to skirt us this far, and you expect to catch proof from BANK statements and other LEGAL documents...? Like that wouldn’t be the first place people looked, and the easiest to erase and tamper? A paper-trail isn’t going to show shit...
Total transparency would mean you and I, ourselves, walking up to his ‘dead body’, watching and analyzing those ‘broken cameras’ and seeing firsthand the situation.
As much as they wanted him dead there's people that equally wanted him alive for information. You never know.
Cell mate wasn't just a gorilla Joe.
Epstien complained days before his death that his cell mate wanted to kill him AND HAD BEEN PLAYING WITH HIS NECK directly to his lawyer.
This is recorded, yet never talked about.
really???? omg
Playing w his neck ? Wtf lol
Alive and well with Tupac & Timothy McVeigh
John Doe #2 osama
Lol
And elvis
Miss the early JRE days
When the internet wasn't controlled by the corporations and you could talk about anything.
Rogan's head so big looks like he's wearing a helmet.
xD
😂😂
Joe needs to interview Shaun Atwood and the Amazing Polly!
Whatever happened to Polly? She quit YT I think and I have no idea how to find her
He also paid for the fastest freight possible to get that cement truck shipped. A disclaimer in it said that if damaged during shipment, the company was not liable.
“Of all the things I’m sure about, that I don’t know”🤣👍🏻
*taking about altitude
Joe “it’s like 11 thousand square feet up” Rogan
Funny how they brought up McAfee alongside Epstein. They couldn’t have possibly known.
Is it true that the detective that was investigating epstien died suddenly of a heart attack ?
Possibly. He was allowed 12 hours a day free from jail the time he went on a mystery plea deal .
Is Epstein’s “cellmate” still in Jail? Or did he get early release for “good” conduct?!?!
This question needs to be asked seriously!
I hope he's still in jail...did you see that guy???
Exactly! He could have just strangled him and gets out of jail early
He asked for a transfer after the first attempt on Epstein. That dude knew what was coming.
He was in a cell alone I believe
Wait wait. Epstein prob hired the cop to be his cellmate for protection!!!!
When joe brings out the spacesuits, I always try to get equally as high to ready myself for the trip
Joe “GO-RILLA” rogan
I feel like this case has been swept away I’m trynna find out who the other people were
Joe looking a bit like Dr Evil in his space suit.
"No that's too high there's no air up there it's like 11,000 square feet" 😂😂😂
They have him cryogenically stored at Area 51 along with rich piana, Elvis, and Michael Jackson
Ironic that McAfee got suicided too
Yea this interview is earie
McAfee was researching ingredients in the tropics and the local authorities became a problem. I read that he funded local authorities to clean up corruption and make his area safe, then that got the attention of the entire island.
Where’s Eddie Bravo, he needs to be in on this!
Joe "I mean out of all the things, that I'm sure about that I don't know, this is one that I'm most sure" Rogan
Joes headphones are bothering me.
He's not moving his neck like he has screws in his scull
But the NASA orange doesn’t bother anyone?
Sounds like Tim Kennedy could go deep and unearth some conspiracies, get him on the podcast!
A high profile prisoner who would have important information for authorities would not have a cell mate. Smells fishy.
There's no such thing as leftover meth.
a dead man's switch says he's still alive
I agree, I’m sure he covered his ass so that if he died information would be released about some powerful people. He is getting plastic surgery and a new identify.
The story is that he was transferred out on the eve of the suicide. The TRUTH is he was transferred out AFTER the murder.
Is it just me or does anyone else think Joe seems to be really high here? Isnt it Sober October? Cant be the cigars. Come onnn...
Revolvin Goatt chillllll
Dave Klonpenberg not toes more like his asshole
@Revolvin Goatt ok
Joe: "Jamie pull up that video of that bear chasing epstein"
Podcast specials done on the big island is next level
Epstein is on DMT: Done Many Teens
Joe "were not banging any kids" Rogan
“For. Sure. They whacked that guy” 😂 so good.
The least Joe can do is interview Tartaglione
Lmao the breaking bad reference and then mentioning Belize