So interesting! I always considered J.P. Sauer und Sohn as the original “Sig Sauer” source. I don’t know why but I never considered the Sig portion as being a contribution but this video definitely opened my eyes. I also own a 1940 147 Kar98k. One of my favorite rifles!
Interesting breakdown. I will always have a soft spot for SIG classic pistols after carrying a P228 for a long time. Their new guns are great, but I hope they keep the classics in the line up.
I talked to 2 engineers at SIG and (via emails) they told me that currently the p365, 320, X, 226, 228....(practically everything including optics) are designed and made in the USA (with some less expensive optics are made abroad).
First I want to give you big RESPECTs for speaking out those (difficult) German words out so good! Second: that being a speedy on your wrist? You have an excellent taste. Greetings from Germany and stay safe 🙏🏻
1851: J. P. Sauer und Sohn GmbH was founded in Germany 1853: SWF (Schweizerische Waggon-Fabrik) was founded in Switzerland 1864: SWF changes the name to SIG 1976: SIG buys the J. P. Sauer und Sohn GmbH and creates the SIG Sauer GmbH as a subsidiary - based in Germany 1985: SIG creates SIGARMS Inc. as a subsidiary - based in Virginia, USA 2000: SIG sells most of their firearms interests (incl. SIG Sauer GmbH and SIGARMS Inc.) to the German company L&O with the SIG Sauer GmbH becoming the new HQ 2000: The leftover firearms division in Switzerland becomes the SAN Swiss Arms AG (known as "Swiss Arms") 2007: SIGARMS Inc. changes the name to SIG Sauer Inc. and the new US-American HQ is now in New Hampshire 2019: Swiss Arms changes the name to SIG Sauer AG (and is totally separated from the SIG Sauer GmbH and SIG Sauer Inc. at this point, but still belongs to L&O) 2020: SIG Sauer GmbH is closing it's factory and with it the HQ in Germany 2020: SIG Sauer Inc. becomes the new HQ of SIG Sauer (but still belongs to L&O) At this point there are the following companies: L&O Holding (based in Germany) - SIG Sauer Inc. (based in the USA) - manufacturing all the known products of SIG Sauer (except those of the SIG Sauer AG) - SIG Sauer AG (based in Switzerland) - manufacturing ONLY the SIG 5XX series + the fitting grenade-launchers and the SAN 511
I believe jp Sauer and sons belongs to Blaser? When Sig partnered with them, Sig got subsumed entirely into the new company SigSauer, but jp Sauer and sons always remained separate. I could be wrong.
A small note: After the premier ended, 9HPodcast noted that the radio communication played at the end of every video is a status report about your fuel, ammo, men etc. before a military movement.
yeah it's a REDCON report I recorded while on mission and calling up at the beginning of a movement. I stuck a recorder with a lav mic in my headset to record it, back in 2014 when we were screwing around with the Russians on the NATO Russo Bel borders for them going into Crimea.
When I worked for UPS, SIG was a large customer in Exeter, NH. When I left, they had expanded manufacturing to Newington and built a training Facility in Epping. Now they also have additional manufacturing facilities in Dover and Rochester NH. Mine says it was made in Newington.
That's really interesting. Also, thank you for putting the state codes as I got quite confused there as I live in the UK and a lot of the East Coast cities are named after places in the UK and Ireland.
You briefly mentioned the Sig 516 Rifle. It would be nice if you could expand upon it in a future episode. This happens to be the very first AR15 pattern Rifle I ever owned, not knowing its provenance at the time. I've heard that it was designed by one of the designers of the HK416 who left H&K and implemented many of it's characteristics, particularly the External Piston vs. Direct Impingement (Internal Piston). It is still one of my favorites, even after purchasing or building several other AR15 patterns. Can you confirm or deny what I heard, and even better expand on what you consider its strengths and gaps? Thank you for an informative episode. Your loyal Patreon subscriber!
That is accurate. Those same group of folks went on to Caracal to produce the 816. Some folks consider it to be the spiritual HK416 gen 3 with the 516 being the 2nd. There are videos out there on the Caracal that get into the details.
Hey Raymond. Chris Bartocci from Small Arms Solutions did an hour-long interview with Chris Sirois, the lead designer of the 516 back in June. Here's a link to the vid: ruclips.net/video/nHnGS7dA5pU/видео.html - Enjoy!
I’ve got a SiG 516 Gen 2. It’s nothing short of an awesome rifle and I’m frankly surprised they never took off. It’s easily as nice as my Estonian LMT R20 Rahe, and the piston and gas block are better on the SiG.
@@unsungdrummer thank you very much for sharing the link! I just got through watching the video and it was extremely informative. I left a comment which included how impressed I was with Mr. Sirois's humility and insistence to always recognize his team and other collaborators.
Nathan Lee Thanks For the history lesson on SIG Sauer .The first time I seen the name J.P Sauer was stamped on a Weatherby Mark V in 1969 . Great information.
Man I absolutely love your shall I say *deep dive/history* type of videos Henry! I even really loved your personal history series of you traveling around the globe! You are a stand up Gentleman and a Scholar my friend!👊💪🤙🇺🇲
It is pretty amazing how massively they’ve scaled. Their rapid pace of innovation at all costs can kind of stink for early adopters but personally I’m very happy with my Gen 1 MCX. It’s a fantastic lightweight AR18 rifle.
@@peteraugust5295 I mean I guess it’s taking a bunch of existing tech and putting into something new but one overlooked aspect that I feel is innovative is the rail system. The upper is semi-monolithic which gives you more flexibility for mounting optics. Yes others have done monolithic rails (LMT and Diemaco) and quick attach barrels (FN and Bushmaster) but the way the front handguard rail attaches to the upper mostly eliminates heat transmission which is unique in my experience. I’ve done many many mag dumps with this thing but the rail never gets hot to the touch. It might get warm if I push it so far as to cause my flash hider to bleed the thread locker but even then it isn’t uncomfortable. I imagine the MCX is fantastic to use with high volume full auto fire compared to other platforms.
@@Lynyrd_Evnyrd Thats indeed an interesting aspect, which I never thought about. It probably does not matter to the vast majority of users but it might to some. However I do not see the MCX as a very innovative gun. There is no fundamental changes to the system at all. Calling it "innovative" is like calling the new toyota corolla innovative because it now has a multitouch dashboard ;)
@@peteraugust5295 I mean if the MCX isn't innovative, which in the grand scheme of things I think it's easy to argue it really isn't, there isn't really anything in the Assualt rifle realm in recent years that is. The new Sig 6.8 guns kind of are for the case style, about it.
I knew they moved most of their production to the USA, but I didn't realize their German plant was basically just to get around neutrality. Kinda wild when you think about it.
And the german plant turned useless when activists managed to sue them for exporting pistols to the mexican police hence why the plant is now shut down.
It's also somewhat ironic, that "ignoring export restrictions" is what lead to the plant ultimately getting shut down as well. They were caught selling guns to conflict regions in South America without the proper German export licenses (via the US branch) and when fined to the tune of millions they decided to rather go bankrupt and move all of the business to the US. So dodging arms trafficking regulations was the birth of the German branch and it was also its death.
To add more info about the SIG Sauer connection, when the P220 series was engineered/specified SIG wanted to meet the demands for a lower cost less accurate demand from the Swiss military. Sauer had considerable experience with two things; stamped products and a cheaper to produce locking mechanism (old style browning lug vs. glock style squared top breech lock). The original P220 adopted by the Swiss uses a stamped solid cover with steel inserts for guiding rails and locking using a block. Sauer made inways for both technologies before and during WWII. This and the export reason combined the birth of both the P220 series and the marketing combination of SIG and Sauer.
Great review. Everything this gentleman just said is all factual, spot on, and 1000% true. I personally own 9 Sig Sauer firearms (8 handguns, 1 M400 enhanced AR-15 rifle) and they all shoot flawlessly and super accurate. I personally would lay my life right beside all of them. Yeah they do cost a little bit more money to purchase then your standard Glock, Springfield Armory, Smith & Wesson, etc. But the extra money spent is well worth it and when it comes to firearms, you most definitely get what you pay for. 😊
The money is made in the US, by 2 Germans. :P "L & O Holding is not an independent company, but comprises the two management holding companies L & O Holding Verwaltungs-GmbH and L & O Holding GmbH & Co. KG based in Emsdetten, Germany. The companies are registered to the entrepreneurs Michael Lüke and Thomas Ortmeier, who also gave the holding company its name."
AWESOME Video and Very Educational! I do not understand why SIG USA named their new P210 since the new pistol has ZERO parts Compatibility and a Significant Barrel Hood and Lockup area when compared to the Original. I have way too many SIG handguns and a Gen 2 Sig556R which I really like but I am hesitant to shoot allot because the USA made SIG556 Rifle has NOTHING in Common with its Swiss Cousin and since SIG has a VERY BAD Legacy of CUTTING OFF Support to Discontinued Weapons it makes it hard to enjoy shooting a rifle when thinking that if something were to happen I will have a 8 pound paperweight. I was able to get three of Essential Parts Kits made by SIG Shortly after the weapon was discontinued so I have firing pins, recoil springs and a few more odds and ends but if a Catastrophic Failure was to happen like a bolt carrier or barrel the weapon would be DEAD! I have looked into the Swiss made 553R which is very similar to the 556R but metric instead of inch but less than 20 of those rifles are imported every few years and the waiting list for them is pretty long plus it is not a 16 inch barrel so I would have to go thru Form 1 if I want to put a stock on it which I found out that the USA stock will not work on the Swiss but you can make a Swiss stock fit a USA made receiver with some fitting which I did when the ACR folding Stock became available for the SIG556 and I was able to get an Adapter from a Canadian Company about 5 years ago.
SIG Sauer Inc is wholly owned by Lüke & Ortmeier Holding Gruppe of Germany. SIG Sauer is a German company. I love SIG, I own two P320's. But I dont kid myself, SIG is about as American as BMW.
If BMW manufactured, sold, and serviced the majority of their product in the U.S. then I guess that would be true. It’s not though. Your analogy would work with HK, not really Sig Sauer. At least for now, may not work for long given HK announced a month ago that they would be expanding their U.S. operations and implementing manufacturing of multiple new models designed and built in the U.S. for the U.S. market.
Haha you’d have to imagine a world where driving was illegal in other countries except for military officials and people with a certain proffession, and rhey could only drive lawnmovers.
Insanely interesting. Thank you for this little tidbit in modern small-arms history! I did not know any of this! My good friend is a huge fan of Sig pistols and has a nice collection of them. He’ll really appreciate this video! Thank you for making this video!
Don't forget that, at this time (early 80's), Reagan had gotten Italy to agree to store nuclear weapons within Italy's borders. Italy, being forever a salesman, was keen to cash in at the favor table immediately after making such concessions. Though the P226 was very good, and arguably better in some metrics than the Berretta, Sig Sauer was never in any such position. It's entirely possible that the price was only dropped symbolically to sweeten the deal ('Hey you owe us and look how easy we made it for you').
breaks my heart that the German Plant in Eckernförde has shut down. Those German made P226 X-Five and X-Six as well as the P210 Pistols are turning some of the most expensive possessions on the second hand market. Ive seen select models as high as 10.000$
In 2002 the french had already saved the german company from bankrupcy with a contract for three hundred thousand Sig pro, renamed Sig 2022 since they were supposed to last 20 years before replacement, to reequip entirely the french police and gendarmerie as well as other department (customs, railway police...) with a modern 9mm pistol. Not the army though, as they went with the Glock gen 5 in 2019.
@@H3x4r35 actually the 2022 was the demise of the German Plant. SIG Sauer Germany somehow shipped 100.000 of them to Colombia without government approval. This caused them so many problems that they eventually had to shut down. It's a complicated case
For a brief period, SIG farmed out production of sporting shotguns to Italy. They're a little heavy, but balance well, and are great, dependable sporting arms.
@@9HoleReviews It’s awesome 🎉. As a native speaker I can say it sounds really great. Unfortunately the German branch shutted down as you said. I was lucky enough to get a P220 X-Six classic pistol and also a SSG 3000 - which is really a hammer in my opinion. Here in Germany we honour the the awesome quality of the Sig Sauer products - the German made ones 😊. I’d really like to see you with the SSG 3000 on the course. Maybe in comparison to the Remington 700. I own both and I love them❤.
I'm really in love with the SSG3000! It's really difficult finding barrels for them here though. Either you have them custom made or just live with a shot-out barrel. I am trying to get Lothar Walther to import some Sauer 200 action barrels!
Good information! I thought that a large part of the reason "Sig America" initially obtained a foothold and became bigger in the early 90's was because of US Police acceptance of Sig-Sauer? For example, our department transitioned to Sig in 1989. Thanks!
Very interesting episode! I wouldn't know that current Sig is mostly American now and German branch is completely out. Thank you so much, that was a very well put information. A question that I wouldn't ask myself but now know the answer.
I remember a dude asking me about SIG Sauer and I gave him all of this info and by the time I was done I was out of breath and panting (I was fat at the time)
ets make this even more complicated and say that SG550 Rifles used to be made by SAN (Swiss Arms Neuhausen) which is now SIG Sauer AG (still in Neuhausen) and that there are at least 3 variants of the 550 (including the select fire civilian one)
I like Sig Sauer stuff, I've had a couple P226's and have a couple of the newer offerings, may stop while I'm ahead. QC has dropped since their guv'ment contract, Customer Support has followed suit. Technician responses are governed by finger-pointing CEO's. A sad progression. Hopefully they'll get it figured out, it's not as though we have limited alternate choices.
SIG Switzerland outsourced to other companies too. The Chilean army bought SIG 510 rifles in 7.62, they were made by Beretta. the French army and gendarmery used SG550 and 551 rifles made by Manhurin. Manhurin also made these rifles for the French civillian market in .222Rem. They also made the Sig 542 in 243 Win.
Sig 516 was produced both in US and Germany if i am not mistaken, the EU version had a better trigger for one, not sure if there were any other differenses.
As a German I think it's very sad that Sig Sauer Germany is gone for good. It's not only because it was a high quality manufacturer but mainly because the supply for spare parts has dropped significantly and you can't any longer call your trusted gun smith at their facility like I used to, when I had a problem. Now it's only just GSG but their support is kinda bad and the only good remaining solution is again, an American company, Brownells.
As a German I think it is no Wonder that this did happen because everything related to Firearms in Germany is related to be a " Bad Thing" inside this Woke Society nowadays,.....
hello from Turkey regards greetings how are you, are you all right, sir? i love watching your videos very much. i'm asking you to test the steyr SSG 69 and the mc millan tac 338 weapon used by Chris Kyle. I wish you a good day.
Great video.... Meeting my friends at the range, me " I brought my Sauer & Barreta". They look at two older small .32 autos ...what are those? A review of JP Sauer & Sons is given, not as good as yours. At least they all know what a Mak is.
Beide! There's only a very small market for civilian use in Europe and in the long run with the increasing unConstitutional use of ATF "rules" (not LAWS) to restrict civilian ownership, with the exception of who were formerly known as "Peace Officers" now termed "Law Enforcement" there is no real opposition directed at fixing that growing profitability problem. The American civilian market is trending towards a much more restrictive ability to market these rifles to the American public in recent years and likely going foward.
3:12 Thats not a Luger it is called Parabellum or Pistole 1906. :) On the picture you can see the safety feature on the handle, which the Luger don't have.
If SIG really wants to make money in the US, give us what we've wanted for decades...genuine 550 series rifles. The SIG 556 was an abomination, which is why sales were poor. SIG fans want the original Swiss design and aesthetic of the 550 series. It's always been crazy to me that the Canadians can get their hands on PE-90's for a pretty average price, but down here in the states, they might as well be Class III NFA for the coin people want...all because of artificial scarcity.
Hey, how exactly is a rainbow made? How exactly does the sun set? How exactly does the posi-trac rear end on a Plymouth work!? It just does. It just does.
Great video, thank you the explanation! But damn, your ability to intersperse so many “training aids” into the briefing so nonchalantly has me green with envy. OD officers do it with big flaming balls!
0:29 jipppiiiiiieee, finaly an American that pronounces Heckler & Koch correctly 🙂 It ain't a soft drink, same as a Porsche is not a place to sit, to whatch the strret or your garden 🙂
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So interesting! I always considered J.P. Sauer und Sohn as the original “Sig Sauer” source. I don’t know why but I never considered the Sig portion as being a contribution but this video definitely opened my eyes.
I also own a 1940 147 Kar98k. One of my favorite rifles!
I made a list for a better overview in my comment. Probably the weirdest history of all gun manufacturers.
Interesting breakdown. I will always have a soft spot for SIG classic pistols after carrying a P228 for a long time. Their new guns are great, but I hope they keep the classics in the line up.
I talked to 2 engineers at SIG and (via emails) they told me that currently the p365, 320, X, 226, 228....(practically everything including optics) are designed and made in the USA (with some less expensive optics are made abroad).
2:46 note the keg charging handle from the K31
First I want to give you big RESPECTs for speaking out those (difficult) German words out so good!
Second: that being a speedy on your wrist?
You have an excellent taste.
Greetings from Germany and stay safe 🙏🏻
1851: J. P. Sauer und Sohn GmbH was founded in Germany
1853: SWF (Schweizerische Waggon-Fabrik) was founded in Switzerland
1864: SWF changes the name to SIG
1976: SIG buys the J. P. Sauer und Sohn GmbH and creates the SIG Sauer GmbH as a subsidiary - based in Germany
1985: SIG creates SIGARMS Inc. as a subsidiary - based in Virginia, USA
2000: SIG sells most of their firearms interests (incl. SIG Sauer GmbH and SIGARMS Inc.) to the German company L&O with the SIG Sauer GmbH becoming the new HQ
2000: The leftover firearms division in Switzerland becomes the SAN Swiss Arms AG (known as "Swiss Arms")
2007: SIGARMS Inc. changes the name to SIG Sauer Inc. and the new US-American HQ is now in New Hampshire
2019: Swiss Arms changes the name to SIG Sauer AG (and is totally separated from the SIG Sauer GmbH and SIG Sauer Inc. at this point, but still belongs to L&O)
2020: SIG Sauer GmbH is closing it's factory and with it the HQ in Germany
2020: SIG Sauer Inc. becomes the new HQ of SIG Sauer (but still belongs to L&O)
At this point there are the following companies:
L&O Holding (based in Germany)
- SIG Sauer Inc. (based in the USA) - manufacturing all the known products of SIG Sauer (except those of the SIG Sauer AG)
- SIG Sauer AG (based in Switzerland) - manufacturing ONLY the SIG 5XX series + the fitting grenade-launchers and the SAN 511
I believe jp Sauer and sons belongs to Blaser?
When Sig partnered with them, Sig got subsumed entirely into the new company SigSauer, but jp Sauer and sons always remained separate. I could be wrong.
Even so the Holding is in Germany you can say that Sig Sauer today is an US company.
A small note: After the premier ended, 9HPodcast noted that the radio communication played at the end of every video is a status report about your fuel, ammo, men etc. before a military movement.
yeah it's a REDCON report I recorded while on mission and calling up at the beginning of a movement. I stuck a recorder with a lav mic in my headset to record it, back in 2014 when we were screwing around with the Russians on the NATO Russo Bel borders for them going into Crimea.
@@9HoleReviews do you by chance still have the full recording?
@@patrickdertz9110 maybe?
@@9HoleReviews That's you at the very end of that transmission, correct?
@@9HoleReviews can you tell the war story?
When I worked for UPS, SIG was a large customer in Exeter, NH. When I left, they had expanded manufacturing to Newington and built a training Facility in Epping. Now they also have additional manufacturing facilities in Dover and Rochester NH. Mine says it was made in Newington.
That's really interesting.
Also, thank you for putting the state codes as I got quite confused there as I live in the UK and a lot of the East Coast cities are named after places in the UK and Ireland.
My great grandparents moved from Truro, England to Truro, Massachusetts.
my Sig pistols say Newington also
I love my P238. Yay Sig
At 1:55 I realized that weird airgun thing on the wall behind you was really your mic on it's boom stand.
I love this kind of content. Thanks Henry 🙏
Great video, I wish they still make the SIG556
You briefly mentioned the Sig 516 Rifle. It would be nice if you could expand upon it in a future episode. This happens to be the very first AR15 pattern Rifle I ever owned, not knowing its provenance at the time.
I've heard that it was designed by one of the designers of the HK416 who left H&K and implemented many of it's characteristics, particularly the External Piston vs. Direct Impingement (Internal Piston). It is still one of my favorites, even after purchasing or building several other AR15 patterns. Can you confirm or deny what I heard, and even better expand on what you consider its strengths and gaps?
Thank you for an informative episode. Your loyal Patreon subscriber!
That is accurate. Those same group of folks went on to Caracal to produce the 816. Some folks consider it to be the spiritual HK416 gen 3 with the 516 being the 2nd. There are videos out there on the Caracal that get into the details.
Hey Raymond. Chris Bartocci from Small Arms Solutions did an hour-long interview with Chris Sirois, the lead designer of the 516 back in June. Here's a link to the vid: ruclips.net/video/nHnGS7dA5pU/видео.html - Enjoy!
I’ve got a SiG 516 Gen 2. It’s nothing short of an awesome rifle and I’m frankly surprised they never took off. It’s easily as nice as my Estonian LMT R20 Rahe, and the piston and gas block are better on the SiG.
@@bunnyoperator Thank you sir!
@@unsungdrummer thank you very much for sharing the link! I just got through watching the video and it was extremely informative. I left a comment which included how impressed I was with Mr. Sirois's humility and insistence to always recognize his team and other collaborators.
As always sir. Outstanding.
I have a Sauer 100 Xt in 8x57mm mauser and it's a fantastic shooter.
Very interesting video. Thank you
The Money is the big theme and you know for what the "S" in "Sig" stand for and this is a important thing !
Excellent detailed explanation my friend. I knew that Sigarms and Sauer and sons got together but didn't know the rest of the story.
Nathan Lee Thanks For the history lesson on SIG Sauer .The first time I seen the name J.P Sauer was stamped on a Weatherby Mark V in 1969 . Great information.
Man I absolutely love your shall I say *deep dive/history* type of videos Henry! I even really loved your personal history series of you traveling around the globe! You are a stand up Gentleman and a Scholar my friend!👊💪🤙🇺🇲
And again your German is great, your pronunciation is magnificent. Happy new year from Germany
frohes neues Jahr :)
Yes. I think he is the first USAmerican I know who pronounced Koch right!
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You mother has been telling stories about me, eh?
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Snickity Sneem! I’m stealing your meme!
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Great review. Very interesting to know the origins of Sig.
That's the most concise description of "SIG" history I've ever heard.
It is pretty amazing how massively they’ve scaled. Their rapid pace of innovation at all costs can kind of stink for early adopters but personally I’m very happy with my Gen 1 MCX.
It’s a fantastic lightweight AR18 rifle.
Whats the innovative part about it?
Wait what, SIG innovates?
@@peteraugust5295 I mean I guess it’s taking a bunch of existing tech and putting into something new but one overlooked aspect that I feel is innovative is the rail system. The upper is semi-monolithic which gives you more flexibility for mounting optics. Yes others have done monolithic rails (LMT and Diemaco) and quick attach barrels (FN and Bushmaster) but the way the front handguard rail attaches to the upper mostly eliminates heat transmission which is unique in my experience.
I’ve done many many mag dumps with this thing but the rail never gets hot to the touch. It might get warm if I push it so far as to cause my flash hider to bleed the thread locker but even then it isn’t uncomfortable. I imagine the MCX is fantastic to use with high volume full auto fire compared to other platforms.
@@Lynyrd_Evnyrd Thats indeed an interesting aspect, which I never thought about. It probably does not matter to the vast majority of users but it might to some.
However I do not see the MCX as a very innovative gun. There is no fundamental changes to the system at all. Calling it "innovative" is like calling the new toyota corolla innovative because it now has a multitouch dashboard ;)
@@peteraugust5295 I mean if the MCX isn't innovative, which in the grand scheme of things I think it's easy to argue it really isn't, there isn't really anything in the Assualt rifle realm in recent years that is. The new Sig 6.8 guns kind of are for the case style, about it.
Waiting for the next merger or acquisition so I can get my hands on some Sauer Kochs.
😂❤
2:00 very impressed with that pronunciation
Love the SIG designs.
I knew they moved most of their production to the USA, but I didn't realize their German plant was basically just to get around neutrality. Kinda wild when you think about it.
And the german plant turned useless when activists managed to sue them for exporting pistols to the mexican police hence why the plant is now shut down.
It's also somewhat ironic, that "ignoring export restrictions" is what lead to the plant ultimately getting shut down as well. They were caught selling guns to conflict regions in South America without the proper German export licenses (via the US branch) and when fined to the tune of millions they decided to rather go bankrupt and move all of the business to the US.
So dodging arms trafficking regulations was the birth of the German branch and it was also its death.
Thank you for a very informative video.
Thank you! I've been wondering this for some time now
To add more info about the SIG Sauer connection, when the P220 series was engineered/specified SIG wanted to meet the demands for a lower cost less accurate demand from the Swiss military.
Sauer had considerable experience with two things; stamped products and a cheaper to produce locking mechanism (old style browning lug vs. glock style squared top breech lock). The original P220 adopted by the Swiss uses a stamped solid cover with steel inserts for guiding rails and locking using a block. Sauer made inways for both technologies before and during WWII.
This and the export reason combined the birth of both the P220 series and the marketing combination of SIG and Sauer.
Great stuff Henry!!
2:00 My compliments on your German pronunciation and translation. The translation sounds like one of mine which often ends in "...thing".
I can use a good history lecture of this excellent firearm brand, thank you sir!
Nice video I like this format of video!
Great review. Everything this gentleman just said is all factual, spot on, and 1000% true. I personally own 9 Sig Sauer firearms (8 handguns, 1 M400 enhanced AR-15 rifle) and they all shoot flawlessly and super accurate. I personally would lay my life right beside all of them.
Yeah they do cost a little bit more money to purchase then your standard Glock, Springfield Armory, Smith & Wesson, etc. But the extra money spent is well worth it and when it comes to firearms, you most definitely get what you pay for. 😊
I see you showed us a SSG 3000, very nice. When will you be evaluating it, or if you've already done that, when will it be available to view ?
Would love to see a full range review of that rifle. Very underrated.
Damn Henry! This was great!
You're not Ian, this isn't Forgotten Weapons...
Love how you guys are mixing this stuff in.
👍 Thank you for the info.
I own an Sig Sauer MCX .177 air rifle and I like it.
Very articulate presentation of the history and present status of Sig Sauer👍
Excellent!
Great vid, and love how you pull out all those incredible guns!
The money is made in the US, by 2 Germans. :P
"L & O Holding is not an independent company, but comprises the two management holding companies L & O Holding Verwaltungs-GmbH and L & O Holding GmbH & Co. KG based in Emsdetten, Germany. The companies are registered to the entrepreneurs Michael Lüke and Thomas Ortmeier, who also gave the holding company its name."
AWESOME Video and Very Educational! I do not understand why SIG USA named their new P210 since the new pistol has ZERO parts Compatibility and a Significant Barrel Hood and Lockup area when compared to the Original. I have way too many SIG handguns and a Gen 2 Sig556R which I really like but I am hesitant to shoot allot because the USA made SIG556 Rifle has NOTHING in Common with its Swiss Cousin and since SIG has a VERY BAD Legacy of CUTTING OFF Support to Discontinued Weapons it makes it hard to enjoy shooting a rifle when thinking that if something were to happen I will have a 8 pound paperweight. I was able to get three of Essential Parts Kits made by SIG Shortly after the weapon was discontinued so I have firing pins, recoil springs and a few more odds and ends but if a Catastrophic Failure was to happen like a bolt carrier or barrel the weapon would be DEAD! I have looked into the Swiss made 553R which is very similar to the 556R but metric instead of inch but less than 20 of those rifles are imported every few years and the waiting list for them is pretty long plus it is not a 16 inch barrel so I would have to go thru Form 1 if I want to put a stock on it which I found out that the USA stock will not work on the Swiss but you can make a Swiss stock fit a USA made receiver with some fitting which I did when the ACR folding Stock became available for the SIG556 and I was able to get an Adapter from a Canadian Company about 5 years ago.
SIG Sauer Inc is wholly owned by Lüke & Ortmeier Holding Gruppe of Germany. SIG Sauer is a German company. I love SIG, I own two P320's. But I dont kid myself, SIG is about as American as BMW.
If BMW manufactured, sold, and serviced the majority of their product in the U.S. then I guess that would be true. It’s not though. Your analogy would work with HK, not really Sig Sauer. At least for now, may not work for long given HK announced a month ago that they would be expanding their U.S. operations and implementing manufacturing of multiple new models designed and built in the U.S. for the U.S. market.
Haha you’d have to imagine a world where driving was illegal in other countries except for military officials and people with a certain proffession, and rhey could only drive lawnmovers.
Insanely interesting. Thank you for this little tidbit in modern small-arms history! I did not know any of this! My good friend is a huge fan of Sig pistols and has a nice collection of them. He’ll really appreciate this video! Thank you for making this video!
Finland bought barrels for m/1924 mosin nagants from switzerland's SIG :)
SIG learned a lot from losing the M9 contract.
Be the cheapest.
Think they sell the M17 series for $170 each to the government.
Bring back the Sig 5.56. If the retro series by brownells has proven anything, it's that there is a market for simple classic small arms.
Don't forget that, at this time (early 80's), Reagan had gotten Italy to agree to store nuclear weapons within Italy's borders. Italy, being forever a salesman, was keen to cash in at the favor table immediately after making such concessions. Though the P226 was very good, and arguably better in some metrics than the Berretta, Sig Sauer was never in any such position. It's entirely possible that the price was only dropped symbolically to sweeten the deal ('Hey you owe us and look how easy we made it for you').
Actually it wasnt even the pistol itself that was cheaper but replacing parts of the FS92.
@@Gieszkanne Lending credence to the theory that the price difference was only a gesture.
@@lawless911sc Maybe the decision maker got the right amount from Beretta! ; )
Look up Christopher Bartocci's video on the XM9 program.
Thank you for using the correct square Swiss flag.
I can't wait to see the sig spear LT 7.62x39 practical accuracy
breaks my heart that the German Plant in Eckernförde has shut down. Those German made P226 X-Five and X-Six as well as the P210 Pistols are turning some of the most expensive possessions on the second hand market. Ive seen select models as high as 10.000$
Shame that SIG P22 series are stop producing. Fine hammer fired handgun for sure
Fortunately, that particular torch seems to have been rather ably picked up by the Arex Delta and Delta 2.
In 2002 the french had already saved the german company from bankrupcy with a contract for three hundred thousand Sig pro, renamed Sig 2022 since they were supposed to last 20 years before replacement, to reequip entirely the french police and gendarmerie as well as other department (customs, railway police...) with a modern 9mm pistol. Not the army though, as they went with the Glock gen 5 in 2019.
@@H3x4r35 actually the 2022 was the demise of the German Plant. SIG Sauer Germany somehow shipped 100.000 of them to Colombia without government approval. This caused them so many problems that they eventually had to shut down. It's a complicated case
@@m00nraise Interesting, I didn't know. Saddening to learn this. At least we frogs tried I guess.
For a brief period, SIG farmed out production of sporting shotguns to Italy. They're a little heavy, but balance well, and are great, dependable sporting arms.
Gun Jesus would be proud of this breakdown. Nice Work Gents!
I love when you speak German 😂😂😂
I hope it wasn't too horrible 😅 i'm certainly not native
@@9HoleReviews It’s awesome 🎉. As a native speaker I can say it sounds really great.
Unfortunately the German branch shutted down as you said. I was lucky enough to get a P220 X-Six classic pistol and also a SSG 3000 - which is really a hammer in my opinion. Here in Germany we honour the the awesome quality of the Sig Sauer products - the German made ones 😊. I’d really like to see you with the SSG 3000 on the course. Maybe in comparison to the Remington 700. I own both and I love them❤.
I'm really in love with the SSG3000! It's really difficult finding barrels for them here though. Either you have them custom made or just live with a shot-out barrel. I am trying to get Lothar Walther to import some Sauer 200 action barrels!
@@9HoleReviews hope you get one and we’ll see a video with it! Love your channel - keep going with it!🎉
Love the video
I heard 'Monnnneeeyyy'. I went in service wise from the Browning 'Rattling, looose as hell' 9mm Hi Power to the P226, from night to day.
Good information! I thought that a large part of the reason "Sig America" initially obtained a foothold and became bigger in the early 90's was because of US Police acceptance of Sig-Sauer? For example, our department transitioned to Sig in 1989. Thanks!
Great video.
Very interesting episode! I wouldn't know that current Sig is mostly American now and German branch is completely out.
Thank you so much, that was a very well put information. A question that I wouldn't ask myself but now know the answer.
When will a review for the Trijicon TR-25 gonna happen?
Erudite presentation. Thank you. What about SIG optics?
I remember a dude asking me about SIG Sauer and I gave him all of this info and by the time I was done I was out of breath and panting (I was fat at the time)
ets make this even more complicated and say that SG550 Rifles used to be made by SAN (Swiss Arms Neuhausen) which is now SIG Sauer AG (still in Neuhausen) and that there are at least 3 variants of the 550 (including the select fire civilian one)
I like Sig Sauer stuff, I've had a couple P226's and have a couple of the newer offerings, may stop while I'm ahead. QC has dropped since their guv'ment contract, Customer Support has followed suit. Technician responses are governed by finger-pointing CEO's. A sad progression. Hopefully they'll get it figured out, it's not as though we have limited alternate choices.
SIG Switzerland outsourced to other companies too. The Chilean army bought SIG 510 rifles in 7.62, they were made by Beretta. the French army and gendarmery used SG550 and 551 rifles made by Manhurin. Manhurin also made these rifles for the French civillian market in .222Rem. They also made the Sig 542 in 243 Win.
SIG actually imported their first p220 pistols under the Browning name.
Never knew that as a swiss, sadly it means I now can't really be proud when the us army adopt a sig riffle.
I love these history lessons
Sig 516 was produced both in US and Germany if i am not mistaken, the EU version had a better trigger for one, not sure if there were any other differenses.
Sig has been pretty "lucky" in recent years. They have several weapons contracts with the US military, and those weapons are expensive.
As a German I think it's very sad that Sig Sauer Germany is gone for good. It's not only because it was a high quality manufacturer but mainly because the supply for spare parts has dropped significantly and you can't any longer call your trusted gun smith at their facility like I used to, when I had a problem. Now it's only just GSG but their support is kinda bad and the only good remaining solution is again, an American company, Brownells.
As a German I think it is no Wonder that this did happen because everything related to Firearms in Germany is related to be a " Bad Thing" inside this Woke Society nowadays,.....
Eckerförde ist arround the corner. I once visited them.
hello from Turkey regards greetings how are you, are you all right, sir? i love watching your videos very much. i'm asking you to test the steyr SSG 69 and the mc millan tac 338 weapon used by Chris Kyle. I wish you a good day.
Great video.... Meeting my friends at the range, me " I brought my Sauer & Barreta". They look at two older small .32 autos ...what are those? A review of JP Sauer & Sons is given, not as good as yours. At least they all know what a Mak is.
Beide! There's only a very small market for civilian use in Europe and in the long run with the increasing unConstitutional use of ATF "rules" (not LAWS) to restrict civilian ownership, with the exception of who were formerly known as "Peace Officers" now termed "Law Enforcement" there is no real opposition directed at fixing that growing profitability problem. The American civilian market is trending towards a much more restrictive ability to market these rifles to the American public in recent years and likely going foward.
Very informative video thank you sir. I've ever wondered what the difference between sig and sig sauer is xD
3:12 Thats not a Luger it is called Parabellum or Pistole 1906. :)
On the picture you can see the safety feature on the handle, which the Luger don't have.
If SIG really wants to make money in the US, give us what we've wanted for decades...genuine 550 series rifles. The SIG 556 was an abomination, which is why sales were poor. SIG fans want the original Swiss design and aesthetic of the 550 series. It's always been crazy to me that the Canadians can get their hands on PE-90's for a pretty average price, but down here in the states, they might as well be Class III NFA for the coin people want...all because of artificial scarcity.
Our government banned the 550 series in 2020. You can't buy 'em or even transfer 'em to anyone else.
You can buy the real 550 family from JDI Firearms out of Texas. They are the sole importer of Swiss SIG rifles.
@@htdang6075 Yea, thanks. I'm aware of them, but like I said...the price is prohibitive just because of how few come into the country.
@@WingZeroGWO actually the price from JDI is literally the same as the one in Switzerland, nothing to do with import
Why are the 516 with a 7.5 barrel so hard to find and their prices shot up to $2500?
Swiss and German company! Many European arms makers have a factory in the US
Wasn’t Mahurin Part of Sig or something? And now part of Berretta?
no, they manufactured the SG540 under license from SIG, which nearly was adopted as the official replacement for the MAS 49/56.
thx for clarifying things.
/is there a specific reason why you didn't mention SIG 516/716?
I'm swiss and love that you tried to say the swiss words it was extremely funny
i love your videos
Very surprised you didn't bash that mic with the SSG rifle
I have a question if the German factory is shutdown, how are we still getting German p226/guns? Just leftover stockpiles?
Hey, how exactly is a rainbow made?
How exactly does the sun set?
How exactly does the posi-trac rear end on a Plymouth work!?
It just does. It just does.
I think you mean Sure Grip. Posi-Trac is(was) a GM moniker for a limited slip differential.
Great video, thank you the explanation! But damn, your ability to intersperse so many “training aids” into the briefing so nonchalantly has me green with envy. OD officers do it with big flaming balls!
5:56 what song is that? anyone know?
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Hi Guys, I have a question for Henry, Are you still happy you went with the sg551 instead of sg550 ?
I bought both :)
When I was dealing in firearms ( a long time ago ) it was always SIG Hammerli, what is the story there?
0:29 jipppiiiiiieee, finaly an American that pronounces Heckler & Koch correctly 🙂
It ain't a soft drink, same as a Porsche is not a place to sit, to whatch the strret or your garden 🙂
I think Sig made a mistake in not bringing out a replica of the 38h when they bought JP Sauer and Sons.
They are clearly a Southern Elbonian company
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Why does Michael Jordan hold a Sig at 7:00?