She Can Type Faster Than You: Here's How! - Matt Gray is Trying: Stenography
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To those of us who use closed captioning regularly, it’s quite clear that AI isn’t up to the task yet, because it tends to fail right when we need the captions the most: ambiguous words and jargon.
I suspect that is more a function of economics than capability. You need more processing power to run bigger models and much more data to train a more accurate model and, currently, that doesn't make economic sense.
And rarely works with any other language than isn't english
AI captioning does help trivial but time-consuming tasks. I have seen enough streamers who actively use AI captioning as a draft for the final caption. But that's still only a draft and has to be cleaned up. Streamers do know what they have said so such cleanup is not very hard, but it is generally hard to verify and fix AI-generated captions.
The models used on youtube etc aren't great. Whisper is as good as professional transcribers, try the colab notebook
I'm quite glad to have AI captioning for the many millions of videos out there that don't have dedicated stenographers for them, it's quite impressive how far it's come. Even if there's no replacing a skilled steno, I wouldn't want to go back to before AI captions.
Matt: "I'm a child"
you are, and don't let go of that part of you.
He also has excellent stroking and hand positions.
I had to giggle so much 🤭
Keeping that sense of joy and wonder is a fantastic thing to do
(also, off topic, but i love your profile picture!!)
I used to work at a company that had weekly all hands meeting that went over a lot of technical content. One week the live captioning on the web stream was notably worse than usual. Turns out a different person was doing it that week. The reason the normal person wasn't their was she was at the international championship for Stenography. She won.
Okay that's realy awesome. I love that
12:01 "the naughty word would come up but you'd have to double stroke it" 👀
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Not being able to recommend new Tom Scott stuff, RUclips freaked out and recommended me Tom Scott adjacent stuff. Great video btw
I think that's what happened to me, too, not sure I would have found this otherwise! Really interesting to actually see how's it done.
Check out the past episodes, Matt's done a couple before this, basically doing TechDif Adventures but without the others reacting. It's great stuff and really interesting.
Yeah! This is the first time I heard about this channel, which is quite concerning, tbh.
I can imagine that stenographers have a similar visceral reaction to "just use AI" as tech people would to "we should vote online!" or the like.
or indeed as tech people would to "just use AI"
It will get there.
Though, more realistically, courtrooms could just record audio. It doesn’t need to be written down in real time. For that application we’ve solved it with technology already.
Captioning the news live though, that requires a stenographer for now.
Many courts do use audio - then it gets transcribed - often using text to speech programs with manual corrections.
@@HALLish-jl5mo Very often in courtrooms lawyers and judges might want clarification of what was just said a minute ago, so court reporting still needs to be in real time.
@@MacCalder86 Especially in countries where their languages don't have established steno theories.
As someone who's been curious about how stenography works, this was really interesting to see!
The thing I love about this series is you watch a professional do it and it looks easy, but Matt is the average person (in this situation) to show how hard it is. It's like the thing I see occasionally about just picking randomly from the population for the Olympics, to show how hard the games actually are
The bit at the end about recording and machine transcription, computer tools are good for places where there is error tolerance, alexa and siri can be error tolerant, you just ask again. Court rooms need to be very accurate and we still can't beat a human brain on accuracy.
Ditto for automatic translation.
There's a lot of nuance in usage and context and languages by no means phrasing the same thought the same way that automatic translation can still introduce an awful lot of misleading errors that an experienced human translator can immediately catch. Doubly so in specialist fields with specialist terminology.
ETA: And I really, really don't want this to be read as "the way to go is automatic translation checked by humans" because that, in effect, is highly expert people being paid less than minumum wage for what is often still a complete rephrasing and complete translation from scratch of whatever garbage the computer wrote. 🙄
What you can do is have a computer transcribe and then get a human to check it. Even with a human stenographer, they will often record the proceeding as well so they can check their work afterwards. If you watch live TV with subtitles, you'll often see the subtitles being corrected in real time - I think that's often a human correcting the computer (although the computer may be relying on a human respeaking everything since humans are better at isolating a voice from background noise). The technology is just about there to replace the live stenography, but you still need the checking afterwards. We may only be a few years away from being able to dispense with the checking for all but the most critical uses, though.
Especially when someone is frustrated or confused. You have lay people dealing with professional lawyers where the lawyer is trying to get the layperson witness to say something and that can be a rough experience so they go from a normal and calm voice to being aggravated, and I don't know if tech can work with that.
@@thomasdalton1508 That's what dictaphones were for, yeah. They'd record the speech and then you played it back with a foot pedal. So you can basically do one word at a time as fast as you can type.
@@JessicaKStark Dictaphones were mostly used for dictating for a secretary to type up rather than a stenographer. The secretary would just be using a regular qwerty keyboard. I think that's why you need the foot pedal - a secretary with a normal keyboard won't necessarily be able to keep up.
As a deaf person who uses verbatim captioning (and hates AI speech recognition captioning 'respeaking' as now used commonly on TV) this is a great video. Leah is brilliant, I have seen her work before, she's very very fast AND accurate and a lovely person to boot.
Trying to read respeaking captioning is nearly impossible cos it constantly corrects while coming up on the screen which gives me a huge headache, it's also a lot slower, it can't really go above 150-180 wpm, whereas good STTR (speech to text reporting) done by Steno or Palantype (two different chorded systems) can do 200 minimum and I've seen them go to 280-300+ wpm accurately.
I just wish I'd known about STTR sooner, when I was a student as I really struggled and burned out not hearing properly and from listening effort. Good STTR increases my audio capacity by about 5x.
Thanks for the insightful share! 🤗
This is not only a great series, this also looks so fun to me. The concept of "Man, I barely know anything about XY, I wish I could just try it - so I did" is so appealing.
And Matt is the perfect host 🤗
If you want to try out stenography without spending thousands on a machine, there is a program called plover which you can use to write steno with a regular keyboard. You just need to make sure your keyboard has n-key rollover.
And if you start getting serious, you can make a steno keyboard for fairly cheap, you basically need someone with a 3d printer or a printing service, a soldering Iron and soldering wire, keys, an Arduino atmega32u4, diodes and wires.
All in all, depending on how much material you have and your experience, count 30 min to 4 hours and 30 to 100 bucks (though you can now get a good resin 3d printer for fairly cheap, so you might just want to get that if you're using a few times instead of a printing service.
Also it's a great first soldering project tbh, lots of easy soldering, and you don't risk shorting stuff out.
If you want tactile but silent keys, the ones I'd recommend are the durock/jwick taro, very stable and have a great detent. You can add o-rings on your keys if you want to avoid hard bottoming out. I don't have experience with clicky or linear switches so can't recommend specific ones kailh makes decent affordable switches though but not sure if they're the best.
A company called stenokeyboards sells stenotypes for just a 100 dollars, and they recently launched a Kickstarter for an even cheaper steno! I definitely recommend getting a machine like that, as keyboard steno isn't very pleasant.
Plus, the uni 4 that they sell supports built in steno software using javelin!
You can plug it in anywhere and it just works, without any set up on the pc
There are also a bunch of free learning materials around Plover too!
I have seen others buy a very cheap (musical) keyboard they could plug in to a screen. As the finger movement bare more similar.
@@sirBrouwer IIRC there's an Italian machine stenography system that actually uses a keyboard that is essentially just a musical keyboard - that said, I think mapping (most) English steno (systems) onto a musical keyboard may be difficult reg. all the combinations of keys you have to be able to hit with a single finger though - presumably you'd need a dictionary specifically for that input method I think?
I wonder who came up with all these shortcuts and how they decided which ones to use. I came in here with one question "what even is stenography" and came out with a bunch of language optimisation questions. Absolutely amazing thanks.
Also, first time I was happy to see a sponsor.
There are a lot of different "theories" on how the shortcuts work, and as stenographers go through their careers, it's normal for people to develop their own modifications that fit their particular style and the types of words they see the most in their work.
I personally use the RWG Theory aka Robert Walsh Gonzalez Theory which was developed by Allen Roberts, John Walsh, and Jean Gonzalez. The theory is mainly taught at South Coast College in Orange County in California, and Jean Gonzalez still works there.
Other well known theories include StenEd, Plover Theory (which is open source and based on StenEd), Phoenix, and Magnum.
Depends on the theory. There are many competing theories that differ in some aspects that I couldn't tell you. The basics stay mostly the same though and for most words that you end up hearing but arent covered by your theory. You just update the dictionary yourself with what you feel is the best stroke for that word!
What I want to do now is learn a little about this and figure out how to make it a syllabic writing system for English. When they described being able to type syllables, words or sentences my first thought was how similar of a concept it sounds to Korean Hangul.
@@louis1001 Stenography was originally exclusively written. It wasn't until about the early 1900s that machine steno became a thing. Gregg Shorthand and Pitman Shorthand were the standard for a decently long time for English transcribing, and written shorthand goes back a very long way.
@@efhiii oh, interesting. Thanks!
When ye are talking about the word "F*ck" and one's like "so now I *double stroke* for that" had me giggling!
MATT!!! well done with getting a sponsor!! (hoping this series can continue!!)
also edit: is that the studio/hall used for tech diff things?
i was thinking the same. It looks like the new hall for tech diff. Would be fun to see tech diff team react to "Matt gray trys"
@@Quacky_Batak Could well be Limehouse Town Hall.
It is the same hall! Tom has also used it in a number of his videos.
My theory (although I don’t know if it’s true) is that Tom owns the building as his “headquarters” or office where he stores his equipment, can use the facility, film, etc. But I would love to hear what Tom/Matt say about it!
it's also definitely the hall Tom used in the video where he used the skeleton lie detector
@@barneylaurance1865 It does say "Location: Limehouse Town Hall" in the description.
My sister was a court transcriber, though she would work off cassette tapes of the proceedings, and in the beginning she was using a Selectric typewriter, and only after the court got fast enough computers, as the original AT and 386 machines were too slow to use, as she would out type the keyboard buffer regularly, so needed something past 50MHz running MSDOS and Word Perfect. Lots of macros as well, and a whole lot of muscle memory as well. Peaked at around 200WPM at times, and would churn out at least a case a day as well.
Took her a while to adapt to Word, and she does go through keyboards, using them to the point the entire keyboard was worn down to plain caps, only the touch type bumps left on F and J as guide. Now out of practise, she is only around 80-100WPM now, doing lots of data entry and invoicing, plus lots of other work.
Ah, the delay on early x86 machines. I remember a pre-Window word processing program which would very very slightly stall at the end of the line: as I was already touch typing at 120wpm+ at that point, the first letter or two of every line would be missing.
WordPerfect's hotkeys (macros) were amazing. I used to be a clerk for a county drug identification lab, responsible for typing the reports from the chemists' notes for drug court use. The hotkeys made it SO fast and easy, with all the typical phrases that were used repeatedly. We kept using WordPerfect long after most people had switched to Word, because the macros were just not the same.
I'll watch the whole thing later, but just a note on the title card:
The Royal Institution's Christmas Lectures were on the topic of AI this winter. This is the second year they've livestreamed the recording of them to some science centres around the UK. Last year they used AI to get live subtitles for these livestreams. This year - despite the topic being AI - they opted for humans to do that work, because they were just... simply much better at it :D
They were lovely ladies! I love their enthusiasm for something that on the surface looks like it could be quite dull but actually isn't at all.
I also clapped when I saw the ad come on (which is weird, because who claps for ads usually?!) but I hope that will mean more of these in the future.
what incredible guests
obviously alot of these videos wouldve already been filmed, but I would love more in doing "blue collar" jobs, I've always been really fascinated by the processes, like the line painting one, just little insites into the skills. Still loved this video and looking forward to see what comes next
specifically in the theme "better than AI"
My great grandmother was a stenographer for the US Supreme Court, presumably a long time before any of these special stenography machines were around. Consequently, the mental image I (and I think many others) have of stenographers and the profession in general is like 70 years out of date! It was really cool to hear about the tech that’s currently in use and get an inside peek at this important form of record keeping.
Imagine being taught this early in highschool, particularly with the new machines. You could become really proficient before you go into the "exam years" where prep for your various major school-leaving/going to uni exams requires a _lot_ of note taking! Ditto with taking notes in uni lectures. This could have saved me a whole load of agony from RSI and later on, osteoarthritis! On top of which, training to become a pro stenographer wouldn't take nearly as long 😊.
Fascinating video, Matt. Many thanks to the ladies for their help and expertise. I'm thoroughly enjoying this series; each job is so different from anything I've done and some (already!) are ones I've wondered about, particularly stenography.
Whatever you do next, have fun!
Exactly! Why even bother talking about these other "layouts" when this is working perfectly.
YEEEEEEE 🎉🎉🎉 HE GOT A SPONSORDEAL! Congratulations and I really hope that this will make you able to keep these videos coming!
The fact that just because you said Alexa, my Alexa (that isn't even set to English) went off and turned the lights in the room off proves why AI isn't there yet
I love how Leah turned red at the finger-in-the-crack joke. What a great video and experience!!
Videos like these are amazing because if nothing else they help demystify aspects of it that I would have no clue where to look for answers or to even begin questioning
Stenography and shorthand always seem kind of like magic, this was very cool. These vids are such a lift!
Bought a book on shorthand in about 1976 thinking it would be great for university - verbatim lectures!
Took one look and thought.... aaah crap no chance.
Was given a portable typewriter two years later. Obvs completely unsuitable for lectures, but with hindsight wish I'd given it a go on April 1st.
My markers must have been grateful though because my handwriting looked like Arabic.
The Tech Diff town hall in use again. You'll be on mates rates by now Matt 😂❤
not sure there would be mates rates considering its likely owned by a public body of some description and they tend to be notoriously short of cash...
@@MercenaryPen they are also often notoriously cheap on the off peak hours. (peak hours would be after school/work hours during the week and the weekend it self) If you can rent it out during work hours the small bit extra cash is welcome if the rest of the building has to stay open anyways.
I've always been incredibly fascinated by stenography. I must confess that I'm a little bit jealous that you got the chance to learn a bit from these two fabulous ladies! I'd really like that. It seems unbelievably hard. It's just like you said in the beginning, it looks like they are playing an instrument rather than writing. It's so cool!
Matt i love your brain. You are interested in the same topics that i am but you are more invested in learning about them than i am.
(also, i miss(ed) your dirty jokes from the very old tech diff stuff :D )
The slow zoom when you started talking about how complicated it was going to get was very funny.
And yes, this is way more complicated than I thought! Amazing.
Woah suddenly I want to become a stenographer
Love the clear visuals and step-by-steps -- makes it easier for novices to visualise what looks like such a difficult occupation to master! Wow. Shout out to stenographers everywhere
Matt just completely taking over Tom Scott's role while also having more of the wonder you see in a child's eyes while learning about new things is the best thing that happened in 2024. This is so much better.
As a current steno student I am contractually obligated to comment on how nice the captions are :D
Fascinating stuff! It definitely fits into the "I would love to try this but I have absolutely no idea why" category. Good to see you have a sponsor, hopefully this will mean you get to do more things like this. Glad I'm not the only person who reads colours as resistor (and capacitor) values!
Ah, a new Matt Gray video! Today is a good day!
You know what might be fun... a Stenography-off with another youtuber with say 3 months to learn :D
these ladies are so patient and sweet! wonderful guests to your fun little antics
video from matt gray yay
I've wanted to learn stenography too but never got the hang of it on my heavy-switch keyboard
inb4 Plover comments
Yeah, it's super important to use lighter switches or your hand gets exhausted lol. My main steno machine has 20g springs lol
Shoutout to the open source software plover, which lets you try steno on any n-key-rollover keyboard. It also works with proper steno machines, and there are a number of open 3d printed steno keyboards which you can buy or build yourself.
Court reporting steno machines are *really* expensive.
AI will have a hard time for a while yet, and voice recordings will not help with instant subtitling. In court rooms voice recordings are great for archiving, but again, the near instant typing really helps. Sure, you can claim "I did not say that", but then going back to the recording will show that yes you did, and with a good stenografer there will be fewer instances of someone mishearing a statement.
I don't know why but I love the little pause icon that pops up in the corner, I don't think I've seen it anywhere else before
This was so wholesome once again! I'm glad you found a way to make more of these. I thoroughly enjoy you enjoying things and learning. 💚
Yesssss! I've been learning stenography for over a year now and really fascinating! I'm so glad you're having fun with it.
matt, i'm LOVING this series. i've always wondered about these... maybe i'll go out and try it myself after this!
8:15 The particular value of 150 ohms is brown green brown, as on the punsch-roll pastry (brown chocolate and green marzipan).
This is a lovely video, such enthusiasm. I’ve known these ladies a long time, used to edit documents for a few stenographers, so this is really fun to see.
Another reason why you don't want AI transcribing court proceedings is that the person transcribing takes on the responsibility of accuracy. With a stenographer you have a person you can point to when something is wrongly transcribed, but with an AI there is no person with legal liability, and especially no person who can vouch for accuracy.
This was brilliant. Having been amazed by watching stenographers typing out captions behind the scenes at events it's really great to see such an honest charming video on them. They both seem like lovely people, kinda makes me want to learn to become one!
This is great!! I've always been really curious, too. Thank you Matt 🥰
Wow, I'd heard of stenography but never known what it was. In another lifetime, I may have pursued this as a career. Not where I thought your next video was going to go, but excellent nonetheless! Thank you!
Thank you for always providing such great content Matt, I really hope you can keep this series up
This is so cool, I've always been curious about stenography!
Something I’ve always been curious about, so happy to see a video on this topic!
Court stenography was always something I wanted to know about. Thank you for bringing it more into the public eye!
Wonderful video! I'm loving this series, it's always a delight to get new Matt Gray content
Matt - There are two varieties of stenography: Using the machine as you demonstrated (mostly court reporters), and handwritten (old-timey secretaries). The handwritten method is done on about A5-sized top-spiral-bound notepads ('steno pads") using a handwriting technique called Gregg Shorthand. It would be great if you did a follow-up video talking about Gregg Shorthand and how it was used.
Don't forget Pitman's!
In GB it's mostly Teeline now, as it was (is it still?) a mandatory skill for journalists. Here in Germany we have a system similar to Pitman (the "DEK"). Gregg has the advantage of being rather easily adaptable to German and Spanish - that's whiy I will change to it (just as a hobbyist).
I wasn't expecting something so informative, I love learning about anything that has to do with language like this
Loved this Matt! Hope this new show works out for you, it is brilliant
Matt, your voiceover and graphics are absolutely incredible in teaching the concepts here. Bravo!
This was fantastic! Loved it!
From the video description: “as RUclips doesn't let you set custom names for caption tracks”
Actually, they do! Once you've uploaded your caption track under your desired language, click on its options menu and select “Rename.” Then you can add a custom name which will be shown next to the language.
Bonus, when you set a custom name for a caption track, it lets you upload another caption track under the same language, so you can have multiple named tracks under the same language.
This is such an understandable explanation for the basics of stenography! This video was really something that the internet was lacking.
Fantastic production quality as well. Thanks Matt!
This was fascinating, Matt!
These are some very knowledgeable, skilled, and quite nice ladies!
This is very cool! Also nice that you got a sponsor! :) Thats promising for whats fast becoming my favorite series on youtube.
I'll chime in and agree - I've always been curious about stenography and how those machines work! Thanks so much for trying this out and for finding these experts!!! Also, I'm happy to see the sponsor!!
I've always wondered how these worked, so I'm really happy to be seeing this video!
What a lovely video Matt, thanks!
Love the video Matt ❤ keep up the good work!!!
Really great video. Had never even heard of stenography before. Hope you can keep this series going! x
Bravo Matt, and three cheers for Mary and Leah. Great video, great channel. Best of luck with future endeavours.
This is so awesome. The perfect blend of interesting, detailed explanations and fun duck/truck/lucking around!
Great video Matt!
What a completely wonderful group of people. I'm glad I stumbled on this!
the audio of this is wonderful
Matt these videos have been so cool, I hope you get to do another series because these have all been wonderful! Stuff I've never seen before yet absolutely loved watching! Hope there's a behind the scenes series coming! Keep up the awesomeness either way my dude :)
Love this and congrats on the new sponsor!
Awesome and wholesome as always! Glad you're getting some sponsorship too 😊
Not only does the keyboard function like a musical instrument, i suspect that learning stenography is probably similar to learning a new musical instrument in terms of brain processes. Fascinating stuff
This was fascinating, your guests were lovely, and so pleased to see you got a sponsor! Keep up the brilliant work Matt!!!
Matt Gray is delightfully happy as always, and I've long wanted to know more about stenography... Great video! :D
- [00:39] 📝 Stenography is the verbatim transcription of spoken words into written form, often displayed on screens, used for captioning and court reporting.
- [09:48] 🎹 Stenography involves chord-like key combinations to represent syllables and sounds, enabling faster transcription than traditional typing.
- [13:01] 🔍 Stenography utilizes phonetic spelling, where sounds are represented by combinations of strokes on the stenotype machine.
- [16:18] 📝 Learning stenography involves extensive practice and repetition to master key combinations and stroke sequences for accurate transcription.
Another brilliant video Matt!
1:03 Turn on CC and see "and also we do captioning for the death and heart of hearing".
You must be reading the auto-generated captions, you can change to English in the settings menu. (The captions I upload are done by humans!)
@@MattGrayYES...which kind of proves the point that we still need people do it because they're better at it.
@@MattGrayYES that’s very nice captioning, can I request you to let me know how the colour changes in RUclips as it usually doesn’t read hex code that straightforward.. will really help.
Great to see another episode and hopefully the appearance of a sponsor is a promising sign for the future
matt truly is making his way across the list of things I want to try lol
I only in maybe the last week found out that modern stenography was done with typing on a keyboard, so this was an excellent video with excellent timing for me!
You got me hyped to modify the config of my QMK keyboard for this :D
Thanks for showing something I was only vaguely aware of previously! Super cool stuff.
This was cool, and I'm glad you got an opportunity to train - if only briefly - in this important niche
Genuinely my favourite episode so far!
This is ridiculous, I love it and I love watching you explore these things Matt.
This channel is so underrated! Keep it up, brother.
I've always wondered about how steno actually works - thank you for this little dive into it!
I've always wondered if this is still used! How nice that it is!
Very solid and engaging video!
This is just a phenomenal series! Incredible!