Overdue Doctor Who Review: The Unquiet Dead
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2025
- The dead are walking, and there's a famous historical figure on hand. What fun!
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Also, bit of trivia, the Doctor's overly-complicated directions to the TARDIS wardrobe he gives to Rose in this episode are word-for-word the same as he gives to Bill in "Thin Ice". The shot of Bill stepping onto the frozen lake in "Thin Ice" is nearly identical to the shot of Rose stepping onto the snow in this episode too.
I knew that Bill stepping out looked a lot like Rose stepping out. I always wondered if the second was a callback. If the directions were the same, it has to be!
Yeah, I think it's very deliberate. Both stories are a new companion's first visit to the past, both are set in the nineteenth century and both are even the third episode of their respective seasons
I love the scene with the Doctor and Dickens in Dickens' carriage. Dickens is ready to throw him and and the Doctor is just blathering on about how much he likes Dickens's work. His driver askes if he wants the Doctor gone and Dickens is just like, "No, no he can, he can stay." For some reason I just find it adorable and funny.
Btw. because of you, now I want to see Rose with Capaldi... thanks
It would be a great dynamic because Capaldi's Doctor, as we know, is 'not a hugger.'
I want to see everyone with Capaldi.
(Except Donna. Okay, but _Martha_ with Twelve... can you imagine the gravitas?)
I always took the "glad I met you" comment as being more in the tone of someone having had a good time with someone in their last days, and that meaning a lot to them. Like in wartime; it fits in my mind with this Doctor being kind of traumatised. Rather than being about the kind of connection you'd build while at peace and able to take your time.
I really liked this episode when it aired, primarily because of the performances. But I've revisited it surprisingly infrequently, and I can't quite put my finger on a specific reason for that.
The Gelth voice is one of my favourite ever TV voices (the actress did the Toclafane too).
My fave moment in thisbepisode is tiny. Its when Rose gets changed into the victorian style outfit and the doctors says she is beautiful. None of the other doctos call the female companions beautiful. Its really sweet.
About the "I'm glad I met you, Rose Tyler", she was the first person he met after the Time War. Or at least the first person who treated him like a *person*
Rose's inappropriate comments which encourage 21st sensibilities and attitudes to be taken up in a different time period, is good writing. We know the rules, we have watched Dr Who for generations; it's all new to Rose. This scene reflected this. It's a fixed point in her story ark and development, a place to grow from. It also helped (in the context of her nieve experience in time travel and culture hopping) to elucidate her instant stance on body recycling, basing her thought on her so far limited experience of anything else but her own time-period experiences. Any expanse of the Dickens character would have changed the focus to much of the story and the job of establishing the new Dr and the new companion in a brand new era of Dr Who. An enterprise young and yet unproven. Third episode not to early for bonding because we could not bond with them if they could not bond. Whovians at this stage needed to get this done early so we could concentrate more on the new whovian universe unfolding and the new stories and styles we were presented with.
I really love this episode, totally agree with you that historical characters end up being a caricature of the real person but I loved the references to the time war, the rift and Bad Wolf which link it into the bigger picture of Doctor Who/Torchwood universe.
Interesting fact, the original concept for Doctor Who was to be a children's educational series. The Doctor would travel through time and encounter historically significant figures. Obviously it changed a great deal. However, you can see tastes of that initial concept in episodes like this.
And the future episodes were to teach about science!
Leah Davis lol, SCIENCE!!! So the key to stopping climate change is the reverse the polarity of the neutron flow? I wonder if that approach will also fix my spotty wifi...
Heya, I was born an live in the UK and as far as I know there's nothing special about Cardiff other than news reporters always measuring disasters in reference to "an area the size of Wales". I think it's just a meta reference to the show being filmed in Cardiff, if he died in ANY episode.. he would technically die in Cardiff.
So it's a self-deprecating in-joke.
Pretty much the only reason I like this episode is the callback later on when 10 and Rose meet the Torchwood team because Eve Myles plays Gwyneth in this and Gwen Cooper on Torchwood.
Koivu nen Yeah, I am glad they address that
Nerdy Trivia: actor Simon Callow was cast as Charles Dickens after having played him numerous times in other productions, including a one-man stage show.
Callow's one man stage show is incredible. I saw him recite A Christmas Carol from memory. It was simply wonderful. He's performing it again this Christmas so, if you can, go and see him.
I can see your point on many of the historical character episodes. I might even suggest that the word you are looking for is caricature. I think this is especially true of Churchill and Nixon's appearances in the Smith era. However, 'The Girl in the Fireplace' and 'Vincent and the Doctor' are two of my favorite episodes!
I think those two benefit from being about people where the public doesn’t have as fixed an idea of their behavior so it frees the writing up to make fully formed characters.
Sure. I can see that. Though I think also the Girl in the fireplace is just a fantastic retelling of the time travellers wife. Its one of the early episodes in which we get to see who 10 really is. And Im not sure Vincent and the doctor is nearly so good of a story; the monster is one of the worst that season in my opinion. But the narritive about mental health and 11's line about life being good things and bad things overcome the episodes pitfalls to land squarely in my favorite episodes list.
The monster is supposed to be an allegory for depression/various other mental illnesses. It's an invisible monster that no one else can see unless they really try to, and when you examine it closely, it's not actually a monster at all.
Karkat Vantas that is well put. I was loosly aware that the monster is an allusion to his depression but you added much more detail than I was directly aware of. Still you have to admit it is among the sillier looking monsters and just mediochre CGI really.
I like the agatha cristie episode in season 4, its not perfect but has a historical figure doing something.
I really like the use of historical figures in the Davies era - felt like a throw back to earlier classic who (even though Dr Who almost always seemed to use historical figures as a bit of a joke).
Somehow it made the Davies history stories feel more grounded than Moffats where he reverted to using famous people as throw away joke figures.
Made a nice contrast to the more fantastical future stories (although for Eccleston everything felt more grounded than later Drs).
I love the Doctor's reference to The Signalman. Next to A Christmas Carol, The Signalman is probably my favourite story of all time.
I gotta say that while I agree with the general point that OFTEN historical characters feel like shallow stereotypes in NU Who I think this is the very greatest exception. Indeed the very best famous person in Nu Who I have ever seen. A riveting performance by a great actor and one of my favorites!
Cardiff (the capital of Wales) is where the production of the modern series is based and a lot of it is filmed. With Davies being Welsh, there are also quite a few Welsh references, connections and self-deprecating jokes at Wales and/or Cardiff's expense in his era. It's why Torchwood is set in Cardiff and we've got "the Cardiff rift" which this episode introduces and which shows up again in "Boom Town" and "Utopia" and is used as Torchwood's equivalent of Buffy's Hellmouth. It's also why Davies' era is full of people with the surname "Jones" (a very common Welsh surname). Moffat (who's Scottish) similarly filled his era with Scottish elements and jokes
I really like Gwenyth and I thought it was really sad when she died, I remember tearing up at it. I'm glad they brought it back around with the same actress playing Gwen in Torchwood (her being a descendant of Gwenyth's line.) Pretty much agree with you about everything else.
I'm from england and the way I interpret the Cardiff comment is that the doctor is saying 'In all the places in the whole universe, in all the places I've been, all the shit I've gotten myself into, I'm gonna die in little old, boring old Cardiff?!'
I've never been to Cardiff tho lol but in the sense of the acting, that's how I interpret it haha
As an American who has been living in the Midlands for about 2 years, I have spent some time casually looking into British history. To me it just seems like Wales is sort of always forgotten. It's not Scotland, it's not London, it's not Ireland. I mean just look at the flag, you've got the red cross of St. George, the white saltire of St. Andrew and the red saltire of St. Patrick (thank you Wiki)...and also Wales exists, but no dragon (which seriously, who decided you didn't need that dragon? It's the best!). So for me the joke is not so much 'I'm going to die in Newark,' as much as 'I'm going to die in Wyoming/West Virginia/middle of nowhere.' But I could be wrong.
Where in the Midlands if you don’t mind me asking? I’m from Leicester
As someone from West Virginia... I am both offended and find this pretty accurate. I mean to both Rose and the Doctor they are more or less big city folk so dying in the sticks seems kind like a downgrade. But as someone from the sticks, dying in the big city is cliche.
"I'm going to die. In South Dakota..."
Such a missed opportunity that we've never and probably won't see 10 and 9 on screen together
Well done, and mentioned a few points i had almost fortotten, but have to disagree on one point, about the historical Episodes. Its a bit like you said but also thats how the Show started Nero, Aztecs, Napoleon to name a few :) Its ok, i see it like a callback on the early days. BTW I personaly love Vincent and the Doctor.
Thomas Nieswandt my biggest problem, although I understand it is taking away from the genius of some of these characters. It’s as if their accomplishments were because of the Doctor. I know this story doesn’t necessarily do it, but are we supposed to infer that Dickens seeing ghosts in his life makes his stories less his?
@@LoneMidKnightWolf I don't think so. Just look at this episode. If I'm not mistaken, Dickens is introduced at a reading from _A Christmas Carol,_ so he's already written his great ghost work.
Shakespeare was already an accomplished playwright in _The Shakespeare Code_ (and the Carrionites even chose him _because_ his words have magic), and he sees right through the Doctor's lies and, to him, to his mind, time travelers are nothing to bat an eye at.
Yes, "Vincent and the Doctor" does imply that Amy gave van Gogh the idea to paint sunflowers. But A) he'd already done _Starry Night,_ all his famous self-portraits, _Bedroom in Arles,_ and B) his sunflower still-lifes in real life by that point. He would have been the Dutch master we know him to be.
I actually quite like this episode :) It was gothic and tense. I've always been a fan of zombie movies and I like the approach they took. I know technically they're not zombies, but still.
I think this or Empress of Mars is Mark Gatiss' best episode (probably leaning towards Empress)... and that's not counting the audio he wrote
This was actually my first ever doctor who episode I saw
I unerstood your point regarding the historical figures. . .And I agree, somewhat. I think they do what you hope for in the Shakespeare episode with 10 and Martha. But I think they should use historical figures that we either know nothing about, or those where there is perhaps a misconception by the masses regarding the figure which they can correct.
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I remember so little of this one... It just blends together with other historically set episodes in my mind.
I also am not a big fan of historical settings, but I do always appreciate when we see significant figures learn that their work made such a major impact on the world. It is just so heartwarming.
I think I get your issues with historical figures too. It's like they are caricatures of themselves that are not given the room to be their own unique character in the story being told.
Despite the rest of the story, that one line where Dickens says something “like their is more on heaven and earth then we’ll ever understand, even you Doctor”. It stays true that even after all his travels, The Doctor can still be surprised by things.
About Cardiff I think is clear even for a foreigner. I mean, I'm italian and never goes to Cardiff, but is pretty clear that he means "I travellec the whole space&time and I've to die in a little prison and in a little unknown place like Cardiff?" :°D
This is hands down the best episode written by Mark Gatiss, which does not say much... if anything... at all...
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This is one I don't always watch, and it's not one of my "go-to's" for a rewatch either, for the first season that would be "Rose", "End of the World", "Empty Child/Doctor Dances", "Boomtown", "Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways". Honestly, I think that like Capaldi, Eccleston deserved better written episodes than what he got, and I've heard that was part of the reason for his leaving, he didn't really like the way some of his episodes were written, or directed, I'm not sure which, maybe both.
Not that this one is awful, it's just not one of my favorites, either. Though I do get a giggle out of a later interaction when Donna and the Doctor are meeting Agatha Christie and Donna says "It's like meeting Charles Dickens and he's surrounded by ghosts on Christmas!" LOL!
I agree, Eccleston's really the shining one in this, and Rose seems to feel the need to fix things that don't always need fixing. It bugs me in "The Idiot's Lantern" when she tells the boy to go and try to save his father who's been abusive to him. Why? He's just a kid and it shouldn't be up to him to save his abuser. Anyway, that's better saved for when you review that one!
I think that like Capaldi, Eccleston deserved better written episodes than what he got.
YES. THANK YOU.
Got to love how they resolve this conflict. "The Gelth are gas. This gas is a gas. So...Yeah. Science!"
I always really liked this episode. It's one of the first season episodes that for me doesn't have tonal problems (or at least it didn't until you pointed out that the undertakers are murderers!). I've always been quite keen on the episodes set in the past, at least until we get to the newer eras.
Honestly I never minded how quickly The Doctor got attached to Rose. She was the first person he connected with since The Last Time War so the quick attachment made sense to me. If it was instantly romantic I would have more of a problem with it, but at this point their relationship felt platonic.
I always see Eccleston as a sentimental old man in a way. He loves travelling with Rose two TARDIS adventures in probably for the sole reason that he hasn't had a companion for a while
Can I just say I love these vids
The fact you've never heard of Cardiff works just as well as it does to someone that has heard of it; its relative insignificance to someone that's travelled as far and wide as the Doctor has
It's my birthday so I think I will rewatch all your Doctor Who videos
Can that even be done in a 24 hour timeframe? I’m genuinely curious about that.
Also Happy Birthday.
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So it adds up to something about 30 hours :)
Uncle Vernon: 30. Counted them myself.
This was my second ever Doctor Who episode I've ever seen. My friend had forced me to watch Blink because she knew I can't handle horror at all, and it was amazing episodes but I honestly didn't feel like I'd ever want to watch Doctor Who ever again because of the nightmares I had after Blink. The Unquiet Dead was for me the "Oooh, so THIS is how the series actually is" moment, and made me really want to follow the series. (A promise I still haven't quite kept, but whtver)
8:00 If Doctor Who is still around in another 50 years or so, when most of it’s audience will be people born after the pandemic, I predict that there will be an episode set in 2020 which calls back to that joke by having a character refer to having “1939 hindsight” rather than “20/20 hindsight.”
no, they were straight up going to kill the disposable woman who was treating the livelihood of a business owner. It was a dark part of things at the time for a gravedigger. They were known for selling bodies out the back. It's a historical refince
Can you do two-parters in one video ?
That’s my plan.
Loving the jacket
I don't think it's really a joke that is region specific. I see it as he just means that dying in such a dull corner of the galaxy after living through what he has is a bit of an anticlimax to his long and expansive life.
Disagree, i think this episode was pretty good actually. I liked the Gelth. was better than The End of the World.
Oddly enough, I think the Doctor being that attached to Rose (this far in, completely platonically, for me anyway) was quite normal for the things he went through. She's the first person he met after the Time War and this regeneration. At least the first one he took on as a companion. In the first episode with Clive, when he was showing Rose all the pictures of the Doctor from history...I always thought those were during the time he had left Rose and Mickey and before he came back again when Rose accepted his invitation.
'What the Dickens', predates Charles Dickens, people were using the phrase before he was born!
An American doing an impression of a Northern Englishman by doing a posh Southern accent. You're not doing your country's reputatiion round here any favours 😂
I figure I can’t tarnish it much more than it already is.
Council of Geeks It's no better than my american one to be honest. Eccleston's from Salford so his accent is pretty much the same as Wingy's
The Cardiff joke doesn’t really work for me either, being British, tbh. Maybe that’s just because I’ve never been there but I never really hear about any bad stuff going on over there. Might just be a dated joke
That's the joke. Nothing ever happens in Cardiff.
I just thought the joke was that the Doctor travels all over the universe and dies in some god-forgotten town on Earth
That's how I understood it, nothing happens in Cardiff. I'm not British, but I am from a little insignificant town so mirroring the joke was easy.
I always thought it was just the fact that Rose thinks she's going to some exotic locale (at least for her) like Nepal and ends up somewhere mundane like Cardiff
I think that if you put side by side each episode written by Mark Gatiss, I got to say it is my favorite (which doesn't mean much anyway) and one of the things that kind of bothers me and no one notices (both audience and extras) is the smell of the dead lady in the middle of a closed theater. Okay, it's Winter and in the 1860's, but damn, these people can smell things properly?
I agree with you except for the part where you said that the caretaker and Gwyneth already killed other people before; to me, what it looks like is that ever since the bodies started walking around they've created a system to get rid of them, which is shown at the end with all the bodies laying in the basement. And I always laugh when the caretaker uses chloroform to faint Rose out and he says to Gwyneth "She knows too much" and it's very clear that she doesn't know anything about what's going on (but then again, why do caretakers need chloroform to perform they jobs? Very puzzling). Overall, I enjoy this episode and could easily give and 8/10 for it. :)
I agree that historical figures usually come off poorly. The exception, however, is Vincent, and that makes up for any harm caused by the ones they got wrong.
yeah, it was Mark Gatiss lol
I’m Scottish and I don’t get the Cardiff joke either
I like this episode. It's better than a lot of Gatiss' episodes (except for the ice warriors stuff).
Wikipedia on Cardiff: "A small town until the early 19th century, its prominence as a major port for the transport of coal following the arrival of industry in the region contributed to its rise as a major city." South Wales in general was an area associated with coal mining, though not so much these days.
So South Wales is the equivalent to West Virginia then... makes sense.
. . . except that Cardiff is a seaport and West Virginia doesn't seem to have one. :)
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i feel that they did not actually kill anyone. They knocked out rose and brought her back to the mortuary because they didn't know what to do but wanted to stop her from saying anything. Doesn't really make complete sense in the long run but it was just a mcguffin to get the doctor to the source of the "ghosts."
Gatiss' Who writing has been kind of mediocre, but have you ever checked out his old radio series "Nebulous"? It's kind of obnoxious, but I love it. It's kind of like a cross between Quatermass and Peter Greenaway's "The Falls". I would love a television series of it.
Historical episodes are always complicated, especially when they have to insert the "weekly monster". In fact, I have the feelings of forcing things in many episodes, like this one, the one of Van Gogh or the one with Agatha Christie...The monsters are always forced in them, like they aren't truly important but it was just an element to insert because, you know, Doctor Who. I think that they'll try to have an historical episode just to have an adventure with the historical character, but without forcing to much the sci-fi/doctor-ish part.
I.E., for me the one with Van Gogh works better than this one because the monster was like the showing form of Vincent depression, it was more intimate... but is clear that the weight of the character overcame the monster itself. Here and in the one with Aghata Christie, the historical characters are just there to make us say "Oh, look is...!" Yes, they try to link the situation to their works or to esxplain historical facts, but is a goofy move for me.
The one with Shakespeare or the Fire of Pompeii work better, because the monsters were well linked to the historical situation (witches for Shakespeare and fire/stone monsters for Pompeii) and this was a smart move.
But in the first one I really don't like the the casting (Shakespeare or the bad alchemy btw Martha and the Doctor) and the second one is good because isn't focused on a historical character but on a whole historical event and I think is better (plus I think that the whole story is way too interesting and well written).
Another story for the Robin Hood episode, because they jokes more about the legend and not the real historical figure (even if I don't like too much Doctor behaviour in this).
For me, they need either to play better with the historical character in himself and focus the story on him/her (more like Vincent, maybe with a better monster) or to play on the general situation without focusing on a specific historical character (more like The fire of Pompeii). I think they are the best example of historical episodes.
I enjoy personages of historical significance.
It was a mid-level story for me too: I liked the characters and the historical setting, but disliked the story and the Gelth.
my favourite part of the video was the sound of the leather jacket lmao
It's too safe.
The joke that falls flat for American viewers leads me to think that of course series one was presumably in the can and probably broadcast before the BBC had any idea that the series would find such global success. I wonder if the point at which it took hold with a sizeable American audience can be pinpointed?
It definitely can be - series 5. That was when the series suddenly got a real foothold amongst younger audiences in America, catching the BBC somewhat unawares. This lead to the decision to do an American set opener and big US marketing push for series 6 to capitalise on this new audience.
Even as a fan in the UK I could definitely tell from what I saw online that there was a huge boost in the show's US popularity then. Also I believe it's series 5 where the Netflix versions have that odd little narrated intro before every episode that isn't present on the UK DVDs or the original BBC airings, but does seem consistent with the American way of doing things
Usually I disagree w you about using actual historical figures. But in this episode I have to agree. While I like the person play Dickens but the episode is just sorta boring. Super underwhelming after episode one and two.
But after relistening to your review I kinda wanna rewatch the episode and see if I can get into it.
This episode scared the living hell outta me ...
I definitely thought they were supposed to have been killing people
"Famous Historical Figure Porn" sure, why not? ^^
You can be glad to have met someone, especially if you like that person, workout being deeply connected with them. I think you're being a tad nitpicky on that one, Mr. Chair.
It was the first Nu Who story I really liked. The first episode felt too rushed. The second episode seemed like a Star Trek ripoff. Not a purely historical story. Those ended more or less with the "Highlanders." They are more pseudo historical stories similar to "Pyramids of Mars" and the "Visitation." #9 was great.
I think I need to watch the bbc iPlayer box set I forget about this one sometimes. Just waiting to skip the gas mask two parter as I cannot face those little monsters. Gwen's ancestor thing still makes no sense to me.
They are often written as historical charicatues rather than true three dimensional characters.
I always feel this episode doesn't get the love it deserves. It did a cracking job of recreating the Victorian-era, it showed a bit more of how the Time War affected the Doctor's judgement and it featured a great guest turn by Simon Callow as Dickens.
A fun episode but with some very sloppy writing which lead to Lawrence Miles claiming it was anti immigrants which is probably over doing it but it does show that Mark wasn't really thinking about how his work could be perceived by others.
Are you dressed as the 9th doctor?
The Rod yeah he is
Sister Ian: Actually, no he isn't. He choose this outfit because it was the closest he had to the outfit that the 9th wore, but it really isn't what the 9th wore.
David Briggs yeah he’s dressed as the ninth doctor but doesn’t have the exact outfit
Underrated gem of an episode for me!
It's just an okay episode to me. Nothing that special.
Its a fine episode but out of all of season one it is my least favourite.
I have a doctor who character/episode pitch the character Cleopatra you know the theory about how aliens built the pyramids well what if that was true a sociopathic scary beautiful and especially scary Time Lord in disguise Cleopatra Ptolemy one of the most ruthless rulers of Egypt and then maybe you could figure out a way the doctor stops her or maybe a plot or something cuz my mind ends there
Edit: maybe she could have an ankh shaped Sonic screwdriver and her being an alien Time Lord would really fit in with all of Egypt thinking she was a goddess and since she had all this amazing technology she could have convinced all of Egypt that she was a goddess cuz one other theory is that all the Egypt gods are aliens so she could be a goddess or an alien as I implied a timelord
The humble Hufflepuff: Actually, please, the powers that be on Doctor Who, PLEASE, do not to Cleopatra AGAIN! She first appeared in Dinosaurs on a Space Ship in "real life", and then again in the Episode (also with Matt Smith) The Big Bang, though actually in that case it was really River Song pretending to be Cleopatra. So, no, please, I'm begging you, don't bring back Cleopatra, again.
I always tend to think there are many adventures we don't see. Even within a series. For all we know he could have been traveling with her for half a year before he said he was glad to have met her.
Looking forward to your review of "aliens of london" and "world war three" where you complain about farting aliens and completely miss the subtext...
Subtext does not save painful execution. It just makes it pretentious.
@@CouncilofGeeks I disagree :/ here is a great review which explains why I love the two parter: ruclips.net/video/ZPWteBp0h8o/видео.html